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2012-11-14 08:31:47 AM  
Been saying this for ages. Now it's received wisdom among the chin-strokers in Kosland? Glad to see they caught up.

If you are unable or unwilling to recognize that Rush Limbaugh's first, second, third, fourth and fifth job is to keep people listening through commercial breaks, same as it is for Imus or Vin Scully or your local wacky zany morning zoo, you have no business in either politics OR business.
 
2012-11-14 08:33:57 AM  
images.politico.com

"You don't see me getting any thinner do you, plebe?"
 
2012-11-14 08:51:16 AM  
Alternatively, the liberal field likes to spell out doom and gloom if they DO lose, not put on airs of false confidence that can be twisted to a sense of victimhood (like the GOP does) if THEY lose.

/I got enough requests for donations from barackobama.com to get a clue on this one
//to be honest, I get similar shiat from people like Right March and AFA
///yes, I get political spam from both sides of the aisle
////I should just quit the internet entirely and go live in a cave
 
2012-11-14 08:52:50 AM  
I've been pointing this out for weeks, but the Fundies and Right Wingers actually argue it's not true.

Fox News is so good, they have the ox fighting to stay in the yoke.

/mother farker these people are dumb
//by 'these people' I mean old white males
 
2012-11-14 08:53:12 AM  

Gulper Eel: Rush


Rush is a blowhard. I prefer Howie Carr. He's at least amusing. And that Savage character that comes on after him is just a straight-up dickwad. Personally, in the end, I couldn't care less about talk radio.

/goes back to listening to WQXR
 
2012-11-14 08:53:37 AM  

Gulper Eel: Been saying this for ages. Now it's received wisdom among the chin-strokers in Kosland? Glad to see they caught up.


I rather doubt this is news to them. I think they're pointing out that analysts* in the media - and not just lib'rul media - are finally making the observation publicly.
 
2012-11-14 08:57:04 AM  
Fox has gone out of its way to tell Republicans what they WANT to hear, and not what they NEED to hear. You want to know why you guys lost the election?

You were working with worthless, fictional data, and you were building campaign models from that. Sure, you can't blame Fox for the entirety of the Romney loss, but the majority of that blame does belong on Fox. They lied to you, and they and their sponsors cleaned up on your gullibility. They couldn't care less who won. They just know that they can profit massively off the conflict they create in American politics.
 
2012-11-14 08:59:18 AM  
i1151.photobucket.com
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.
 
2012-11-14 09:02:28 AM  
Is this true, or is this just one of those lies Republicans tell to make themselves feel good.
 
2012-11-14 09:05:53 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Fox has gone out of its way to tell Republicans what they WANT to hear, and not what they NEED to hear. You want to know why you guys lost the election?

You were working with worthless, fictional data, and you were building campaign models from that. Sure, you can't blame Fox for the entirety of the Romney loss, but the majority of that blame does belong on Fox. They lied to you, and they and their sponsors cleaned up on your gullibility. They couldn't care less who won. They just know that they can profit massively off the conflict they create in American politics.


True. The GOP didn't fail by lying to the voters, they failed by lying to themselves.

There were several times when reality collided with their delusion but they didn't have the wherewithal to wake-up. When Obamacare was deemed Constitutional, they blamed Roberts. When Obama called Benghazzi an act of terror, they blamed CNN and when the polls told them they were losing, they blamed numbers.
 
2012-11-14 09:10:36 AM  

oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.


WAT? He got paid for that?
 
2012-11-14 09:11:11 AM  
Nonsense. Complete and utter nonsense.

I'd go in more depth on this, but I really have to get back to my Newsmax approved book about all-natural cancer cures that infuriate Nancy Pelosi. Then I have to give Dick Morris money because Bill Clinton fired him 14 years ago.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:03 AM  
There's something to this idea, but I think it's an oversimplification. Yes, you can tell the media conservatives are full of shiat simply because they lack any ideological consistency. They are simply "against" even when being against something conflicts with conservative principles.

But are the Republicans in Congress showing the same lack of ideological consistency because of Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity? Doubtful. Too simple. However, the audiences that listen to and watch those tools are the people who keep those Republicans in Congress. That's your overlap. But even that doesn't capture the real source of schism.

It's Dick Armey, the Kochs, etc. They are the source. The media are just willing footsoldiers. It was money and organization that brought us the Tea Party and all their diseases.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:33 AM  

doyner: oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.

WAT? He got paid for that?


Yes. Yes, he did.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:57 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Fox has gone out of its way to tell Republicans what they WANT to hear, and not what they NEED to hear. You want to know why you guys lost the election?

You were working with worthless, fictional data, and you were building campaign models from that. Sure, you can't blame Fox for the entirety of the Romney loss, but the majority of that blame does belong on Fox. They lied to you, and they and their sponsors cleaned up on your gullibility. They couldn't care less who won. They just know that they can profit massively off the conflict they create in American politics.


Unfortunately, they have to come to this realization on their own. Not even former Republicans such as you, Weaver, and me can tell them. In fact, we just increase their reluctance to believe so much of what they "know" is a lie they willingly gobbled up.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:17 AM  

Gulper Eel: If you are unable or unwilling to recognize that Rush Limbaugh's first, second, third, fourth and fifth job is to keep people listening through commercial breaks, same as it is for Imus or Vin Scully or your local wacky zany morning zoo, you have no business in either politics OR business.


You're absolutely right in that Rush is simply a businessman selling a product, like a Billy Mays selling conservative policy for 3 easy payments of $13.99 and one complicated payment. But you have to admit that without an audience receptive to it, he would be out of business. There most certainly IS a faction of the Republican party who will do what Rush says without a thought to it. I don't think talk radio is what's tearing the party apart, though.

I think their problem is that the cohesion between social and fiscal conservative factions is no longer there. And it may well be the economy behind it. It's pretty hard to sell "OMG Gays might marry!!!1" in a time when even the staunchest right wing bigot is wondering how he's going to feed his family. It also doesn't help that they consistently screw the pooch with the ever growing block of Latino voters. Many of them are Catholic, you know, their vote COULD be won on religious conservative grounds if the party trying to win them didn't come off as saying "Go back to Mexico!" at every corner.

Just my two cents.
 
2012-11-14 09:31:04 AM  
I place the blame entirely upon the conservative base.

They're the ones who demand an echo chamber that validates every single preconceived notion that they have.
They're the ones who demand pandering politicians who will reflect that echo chamber.
They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
They're the ones who refuse, under any circumstances, to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.
They're the ones who are incapable of any sort of introspection and personal reflection.
They're the ones who need scapegoats to lay blame upon.

Politics and the media are like any other market based system, and for the most part, obey the same rules. Without the demand from the conservative base, the supply from places like Fox News, from people like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers, and from politicians like Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor wouldn't exist.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:37 AM  
FTFA: "The beating heart of modern conservatism is its visceral appeal to anxieties and fears of white Christians."

Take that, and compare it to "The Authoritarians," and everything makes perfect sense.

Link
 
2012-11-14 09:41:09 AM  

oldfarthenry: doyner: oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.

WAT? He got paid for that?

Yes. Yes, he did.


Not only that but he bumped a video about Mitt Romney. There are lots of Republicans--including Mitt's wife--that believe dropping that video that explained Mitt cost Mitt the election. The video was supposed to introduce him to the American people, tell his story. Instead, the viewers got a rambling speech by a has-been actor--sort of a call back to Magic Ronnie.
 
2012-11-14 09:41:20 AM  

oldfarthenry: doyner: oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.

WAT? He got paid for that?

Yes. Yes, he did.


this would be fantastic were it true but the googles is not turning up any confirmation of this. please post a link so we can all have a good laugh at the RNC and feel a little bit better about Clint.
 
2012-11-14 09:41:45 AM  

Diogenes: They are simply "against" even when being against something conflicts with conservative principles


Like wanting to broaden the tax base but being against tax increases while complaining about not enough people paying taxes but wanting to stop rich people from paying taxes.
 
2012-11-14 09:42:40 AM  

oldfarthenry: doyner: oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.

WAT? He got paid for that?

Yes. Yes, he did.


Then I suspect Eastwood was a double agent. He made the GOP look out of touch and embarrassed them, made the Dems look stronger as they had a flawless convention - Obama was preceded by Clinton to Romney's Eastwood. Not to mention that Eastwood had already cut the pro-GM/Detroit ad. He took a minor hit to reputation, yes, but who the hell is going to hate on Clint Muthfarking Eastwood?

Go out on stage. Talk to a chair. Mumble. Get paid.

Awesome.
 
2012-11-14 09:42:44 AM  

Aarontology: I place the blame entirely upon the conservative liberal base.

They're the ones who demand an echo chamber that validates every single preconceived notion that they have.
They're the ones who demand pandering politicians who will reflect that echo chamber.
They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
They're the ones who refuse, under any circumstances, to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.
They're the ones who are incapable of any sort of introspection and personal reflection.
They're the ones who need scapegoats to lay blame upon.


Meh. Both sides are bad.
 
2012-11-14 09:44:11 AM  

Cletus C.: Aarontology: I place the blame entirely upon the conservative liberal base.

They're the ones who demand an echo chamber that validates every single preconceived notion that they have.
They're the ones who demand pandering politicians who will reflect that echo chamber.
They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
They're the ones who refuse, under any circumstances, to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.
They're the ones who are incapable of any sort of introspection and personal reflection.
They're the ones who need scapegoats to lay blame upon.


Meh. Both sides are bad.


Pathetic.
 
2012-11-14 09:45:54 AM  

un4gvn666: Cletus C.: Aarontology: I place the blame entirely upon the conservative liberal base.

They're the ones who demand an echo chamber that validates every single preconceived notion that they have.
They're the ones who demand pandering politicians who will reflect that echo chamber.
They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
They're the ones who refuse, under any circumstances, to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.
They're the ones who are incapable of any sort of introspection and personal reflection.
They're the ones who need scapegoats to lay blame upon.


Meh. Both sides are bad.

Pathetic.


Yeah, but deal with it. It's the system, man.
 
2012-11-14 09:46:27 AM  
Now that it came out that Fox News willfully gave out wrong predictions about the election it shows how they really feel about its viewers. I think some might be getting wind of that

The biggest problem for the Republicans that they dont watch Fox and listen to Rush for ideas on how to make the country better but only to attack Democrats. And that chicken has come home to roost
 
2012-11-14 09:46:32 AM  
Wait until some conservative commentator realizes if they were all this wrong about the election, what else might they be wrong about? Global warming might be real and human caused? Gay marriage might not be the end of society? Tax increases might not doom the entire country to another great depression?

Nah, they'd still get destroyed if they tried that.
 
2012-11-14 09:46:42 AM  
"The conservative base is powered by their resentment and sense of victimhood."

Right. On.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:59 AM  

xanadian: Alternatively, the liberal field likes to spell out doom and gloom if they DO lose, not put on airs of false confidence that can be twisted to a sense of victimhood (like the GOP does) if THEY lose.

/I got enough requests for donations from barackobama.com to get a clue on this one
//to be honest, I get similar shiat from people like Right March and AFA
///yes, I get political spam from both sides of the aisle
////I should just quit the internet entirely and go live in a cave



Can we take a vote on that? ; P
 
2012-11-14 09:49:07 AM  
What else is conservative media going to do? Only old people are watching cable news or listening to AM radio so who else are these markets going to cater to? You can't get people under 30 to care about O'Reilly so you have to stick with the media model you have.

I'm not sure how Fox News is going to change. I think they're pretty much in a corner content-wise.
 
2012-11-14 09:49:28 AM  
"The beating heart of modern conservatism is its visceral appeal to anxieties and fears of white Christians."

So the heart of modern conservativism is still beating?

encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-14 09:51:35 AM  

Aarontology: I place the blame entirely upon the conservative base.

They're the ones who demand an echo chamber that validates every single preconceived notion that they have.
They're the ones who demand pandering politicians who will reflect that echo chamber.
They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
They're the ones who refuse, under any circumstances, to consider the possibility that they could be wrong.
They're the ones who are incapable of any sort of introspection and personal reflection.
They're the ones who need scapegoats to lay blame upon.

Politics and the media are like any other market based system, and for the most part, obey the same rules. Without the demand from the conservative base, the supply from places like Fox News, from people like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers, and from politicians like Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor wouldn't exist.


That's the big one for me - there is absolutely ZERO room for anyone stopping for even a second and saying "Hey wait a minute, maybe we should rethink this...." Responses must be automatic and supportive.

The only people I have friended on Facebook who are still biatching about the election are the two dumbest (nice people but in no danger of ever being considered for a Nobel prize) individuals I know. It is completely worthless to attempt to talk to them about the idiotic unthruths they believe.
 
2012-11-14 09:51:45 AM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: They are simply "against" even when being against something conflicts with conservative principles

Like wanting to broaden the tax base but being against tax increases while complaining about not enough people paying taxes but wanting to stop rich people from paying taxes.


Not to mention the utter flipfloppery of states' rights. It completely depends on what's being discussed, and there's always a handy excuse for going against it.
 
2012-11-14 09:52:09 AM  

Cletus C.: Yeah, but deal with it. It's the system, man.


Yup thats what he meant.

Republican tears are awesome.
 
2012-11-14 09:52:48 AM  
here's what the GOP is facing: reality.
their idea of the country
what it is
what it should be
is at odds with the majority of Americans

and instead of evolving their positions
they've been encouraged to double down
To ratchet up the rhetoric
Secede! Revolution! Impeach!

I can sympathize a bit with their predicament (not)
How can they do business with people they've labeled enemies of the state?
Liberals are Godless baby-killers who want to turn you into a gay communist after all.
And they support minorities. Ewww.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:17 AM  
Someone posted this link yesterday, which is a nice break down of the history of the fleecing. It's kind of all the party is now. Just an orgy of hucksters and their marks.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:33 AM  
At least part of the blame lies here:

i1162.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-14 09:59:22 AM  
mlkshk.com
 
2012-11-14 09:59:54 AM  

mrshowrules: Diogenes: They are simply "against" even when being against something conflicts with conservative principles

Like wanting to broaden the tax base but being against tax increases while complaining about not enough people paying taxes but wanting to stop rich people from paying taxes.


It would be funny if this was some obscure 3rd party.
 
2012-11-14 10:00:37 AM  

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: Not only that but he bumped a video about Mitt Romney. There are lots of Republicans--including Mitt's wife--that believe dropping that video that explained Mitt cost Mitt the election.


To be fair, they only needed the video because Mitt tried to be as distant as possible up until that point, as he was getting kicked in the dick every other day during the primaries.

nekom: You're absolutely right in that Rush is simply a businessman selling a product, like a Billy Mays selling conservative policy for 3 easy payments of $13.99 and one complicated payment. But you have to admit that without an audience receptive to it, he would be out of business. There most certainly IS a faction of the Republican party who will do what Rush says without a thought to it. I don't think talk radio is what's tearing the party apart, though.


Ultimately, the problem is one of audience. You can only cover so broad a viewpoint before losing everyone, so you have to generally pick a tone and stick with it. The far right are going ever righter, and consider anyone not quite as right wing to be a RINO. This is a problem when you're trying to appeal to the broad right wing rather than just teabaggers. You can't appeal to Generic Military Republican with insane teabagger bullshiat, yet if you don't spout insane teabagger bullshiat you'll get called a RINO. The only winning move is to get rid of the teabaggers.
 
2012-11-14 10:03:20 AM  

NateGrey: Cletus C.: Yeah, but deal with it. It's the system, man.

Yup thats what he meant.

Republican tears are awesome.

They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.

 
Bf+
2012-11-14 10:03:48 AM  
A fool and his money...
 
2012-11-14 10:05:37 AM  

The money shot in tfa is the Chris Hayes quote:

"The deeper issue is that for conservative politicians and networks and websites there is simply too much to be gained by feeding the sense of persecution and siege that many white Christians feel down to their toes."
The problem is deeper than the Fark headline states, it's not just that much of the GOP base is misinformed -- these entertainers have been slowly driving their listeners insane for at least 20 years, now. Once upon a time, after having cast my vote for the D presidential candidate, I would have been viewed as just a guy who preferred the other candidate's message. But today I'm some combination of dupe, traitor, idiot, supporter of tyranny, moocher, existential threat, soldier in the opposing army in some grand war.

And there's also the toll the message is taking on the physical and mental health of the angry and frightened listeners.

And that's just crazy. Thanks, Limbaugh. Thanks, Beck. Thanks, everyone else like them. You're making this country a worse place, and you're making your fans crazy and unhealthy.
 
2012-11-14 10:06:06 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Someone posted this link yesterday, which is a nice break down of the history of the fleecing. It's kind of all the party is now. Just an orgy of hucksters and their marks.


FTFA: "his assertion that his tax cut proposal won't have any effect on the federal budget, which the Tax Policy Center called "not mathematically possible." That frank dismissal vaulted the candidate into another category of lie, an attempt to bend time itself: Romney responded by calling that group "biased"; last year, he called them "objective."

And not one of the base, if informed about this, would give a shat. Everything that supports the conservatives is the truth, everything that doesn't is biased. There is never a need for self-evaluation.
 
2012-11-14 10:07:52 AM  

Cletus C.: NateGrey: Cletus C.: Yeah, but deal with it. It's the system, man.

Yup thats what he meant.

Republican tears are awesome.

They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.


Yes, being belligerent, ignorant, racist, and bigoted is simply "disagreement". Cry more.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:56 AM  

Cletus C.: Republican tears are awesome.

They're the ones who demonize and spew venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.


Glad your finally coming around.

Unless you're confusing schadenfreude for demonizing and spewing venom and hatred at anyone who disagrees with them.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:37 AM  

Fizpez: That's the big one for me - there is absolutely ZERO room for anyone stopping for even a second and saying "Hey wait a minute, maybe we should rethink this...." Responses must be automatic and supportive.


It has to do with the absolutism their ideology requires. They can't be wrong about anything, because to them, it means they could be wrong about everything. That kind of uncertainty seems to scare the bejeesus out of them.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:39 AM  

rtaylor92: oldfarthenry: doyner: oldfarthenry: [i1151.photobucket.com image 635x499]
For $350,000 I'd argue with an empty shoe box - never mind a g'damn chair!
And here I thought the libtards were idiots when it came to money.

WAT? He got paid for that?

Yes. Yes, he did.

this would be fantastic were it true but the googles is not turning up any confirmation of this. please post a link so we can all have a good laugh at the RNC and feel a little bit better about Clint.


THIS
 
2012-11-14 10:13:29 AM  
artsandculturentx.com

Smiles and counts his money.

i.huffpost.com

Smiles and counts her states.

/She's calling for secession. "Better a secession than a civil war." Wow.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:01 AM  

nekom: Gulper Eel: If you are unable or unwilling to recognize that Rush Limbaugh's first, second, third, fourth and fifth job is to keep people listening through commercial breaks, same as it is for Imus or Vin Scully or your local wacky zany morning zoo, you have no business in either politics OR business.

You're absolutely right in that Rush is simply a businessman selling a product, like a Billy Mays selling conservative policy for 3 easy payments of $13.99 and one complicated payment. But you have to admit that without an audience receptive to it, he would be out of business. There most certainly IS a faction of the Republican party who will do what Rush says without a thought to it. I don't think talk radio is what's tearing the party apart, though.

I think their problem is that the cohesion between social and fiscal conservative factions is no longer there. And it may well be the economy behind it. It's pretty hard to sell "OMG Gays might marry!!!1" in a time when even the staunchest right wing bigot is wondering how he's going to feed his family. It also doesn't help that they consistently screw the pooch with the ever growing block of Latino voters. Many of them are Catholic, you know, their vote COULD be won on religious conservative grounds if the party trying to win them didn't come off as saying "Go back to Mexico!" at every corner.

Just my two cents.


GET OUT OF MY HEAD! Seriously, that's a (more coherent) version of what I've been drunkenly slurring at the few friends I still have who are willing to discuss politics with me.

My personal prediction for the much-speculated GOP civil war follows a schism of the GOP along social vs. fiscal conservative lines. I'm not entirely sure who will initiate the split, but I suspect it will be the fiscally conservative, socially moderate Republicans - if they publicly denounce the more extreme socially conservative elements of their party, I think they'd have a reasonable shot at gaining support from some of the more fiscally conservative elements of the Democratic party. Ideally, I'd like to see a viable third party come out the mess, leaving us essentially with the more socially liberal/progressive elements of the Dems on one side (now free to push the social agenda more forcefully without having to bow to fiscal conservatism), the more fiscally conservative elements of the GOP on the other side (now free to push the fiscal conservatism agenda without having to bow to social conservatism), and an established social/fiscal moderate position balanced in the middle. Without enough voting power to push their respective agendas on their own, the right and left both would HAVE to strike bargains with the middle to get anything done, and the middle would (I hope) be more receptive to bargains than the current two-way partisan divide.

/Why yes, I -am- a fan of Parliament's established three-party system
//I'd also love to see America get rid of Robert's Rules of Order in favor of House of Commons-style debates, but that' s purely for my own amusement
 
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