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(Reason Magazine)   En route to becoming Greece with a bad boob job, California is now a one-party state and therefore anything that goes wrong from here on in is obviously Reagan's fault   (reason.com) divider line 168
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2012-11-14 08:26:05 AM
I live in a state with one-party control, it's been like this for a very long time.

As for California, maybe the Democratic Party majority can do something about their stupid initiatives and super-easy amendment process. If anything is killing them, it is that.
 
2012-11-14 08:29:14 AM
Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:07 AM
Anyone who compares an American state to Greece has no idea what they're talking about, and only "understands" the crisis on an incredibly superficial level.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:34 AM

Aarontology: Anyone who compares an American state to Greece has no idea what they're talking about, and only "understands" the crisis on an incredibly superficial level.


So, most people.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:59 AM

GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.


As always, IOKIYAR.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:14 AM

GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.


Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.
 
2012-11-14 09:19:01 AM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.


For that to happen, at some point there would have had to have been a half trillion dollars in the state of TN.
 
2012-11-14 09:20:47 AM

dr_blasto: I live in a state with one-party control, it's been like this for a very long time.

As for California, maybe the Democratic Party majority can do something about their stupid initiatives and super-easy amendment process. If anything is killing them, it is that.


One of their first initiatives was "don't tax me, bro!", and they've been going downhill ever since.
 
2012-11-14 09:42:51 AM

Marcus Aurelius: dr_blasto: I live in a state with one-party control, it's been like this for a very long time.

As for California, maybe the Democratic Party majority can do something about their stupid initiatives and super-easy amendment process. If anything is killing them, it is that.

One of their first initiatives was "don't tax me, bro!", and they've been going downhill ever since.


What was it, Prop 13 that meant that they farked on property tax revenue? Not to mention any asshole with a few bucks can get their favorite program in the constitution and the government has no way to make up for the new cost through taxation.

It is a mess and unless they address this, California is hosed.
 
2012-11-14 09:43:07 AM

Aarontology: Anyone who compares an American state to Greece has no idea what they're talking about, and only "understands" the crisis on an incredibly superficial level.


Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:23 AM

Marcus Aurelius: One of their first initiatives was "don't tax me, bro!", and they've been going downhill ever since.


The more you know.

"California residents paid 11.2 percent of their income in state and local taxes in 2010, the fourth-highest tax burden of any state..."

Still want to stick with b-b-b-b-b-b-butHowardJarvis?
 
2012-11-14 09:47:26 AM

Gulper Eel: Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.


Don't bother.
 
2012-11-14 09:49:57 AM
It's cool people, libertarianism will fix everything.
 
2012-11-14 09:55:39 AM

sweetmelissa31: Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.


I'd bet there's significant overlap.
 
2012-11-14 09:58:44 AM

sweetmelissa31: Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.


feministphilosophers.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 10:05:34 AM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.


Yet all of those things happened before this so-called one party rule in California, so I'm not sure how your point in valid. Are you saying that no Republican has any impact on the state of California? Because I recall quite clearly that budget negotiations crashed specifically because Republicans refused to negotiate over the budget, leading to the credit rating drop that you're referring to. The state couldn't pay it's bills because it didn't have a budget.

So how is that the Democratic Party's fault, or the fault of one party rule?
 
2012-11-14 10:16:13 AM

Rev.K: sweetmelissa31: Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.

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Another possible caption would be "THAT'S IT. I'M ASKING MY BOSS TO CUT MY PAY"
 
2012-11-14 10:17:20 AM

GAT_00: Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.

Yet all of those things happened before this so-called one party rule in California, so I'm not sure how your point in valid. Are you saying that no Republican has any impact on the state of California? Because I recall quite clearly that budget negotiations crashed specifically because Republicans refused to negotiate over the budget, leading to the credit rating drop that you're referring to. The state couldn't pay it's bills because it didn't have a budget.

So how is that the Democratic Party's fault, or the fault of one party rule?


And then there was that whole "Enron constricts energy supplies to force rolling blackouts and sky-high energy prices which led to the recall of a Democratic Governor in favor of an Republican actor who left the state's finances a mess"
 
2012-11-14 10:23:45 AM

GAT_00: Yet all of those things happened before this so-called one party rule in California, so I'm not sure how your point in valid. Are you saying that no Republican has any impact on the state of California? Because I recall quite clearly that budget negotiations crashed specifically because Republicans refused to negotiate over the budget, leading to the credit rating drop that you're referring to. The state couldn't pay it's bills because it didn't have a budget.

So how is that the Democratic Party's fault, or the fault of one party rule?


It's the fault of what is one-party rule in outlook if not in name. Two slightly different flavors of statist does not equal diversity. When's the last time California had a meaningful fiscal conservative presence - 40 years ago? 50?

Republican =/= conservative, especially in the blue states.

New York has Republican legislators who joined with Democrats in farking budget processes for the better part of 25 years, but that didn't make those Republicans in the least bit conservative. The biggest driver of higher taxes in New York is the 50-year-old bloaterrific Medicaid program originally designed by Nelson Rockefeller, a supposed moderate Republican who also signed off on some of the nation's most idiotic drug laws.
 
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2012-11-14 10:33:05 AM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.


Let us know when Tennessee pays as much in federal tax as it gets, like California.
 
2012-11-14 10:37:16 AM
Reason is normally okay but this is retarded. The California pension fark up was caused by bipartisan politicians not understanding how actuarial math works and then second guessing it. Morons.
 
2012-11-14 10:48:03 AM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Yet all of those things happened before this so-called one party rule in California, so I'm not sure how your point in valid. Are you saying that no Republican has any impact on the state of California? Because I recall quite clearly that budget negotiations crashed specifically because Republicans refused to negotiate over the budget, leading to the credit rating drop that you're referring to. The state couldn't pay it's bills because it didn't have a budget.

So how is that the Democratic Party's fault, or the fault of one party rule?

It's the fault of what is one-party rule in outlook if not in name. Two slightly different flavors of statist does not equal diversity. When's the last time California had a meaningful fiscal conservative presence - 40 years ago? 50?

Republican =/= conservative, especially in the blue states.

New York has Republican legislators who joined with Democrats in farking budget processes for the better part of 25 years, but that didn't make those Republicans in the least bit conservative. The biggest driver of higher taxes in New York is the 50-year-old bloaterrific Medicaid program originally designed by Nelson Rockefeller, a supposed moderate Republican who also signed off on some of the nation's most idiotic drug laws.


So you're just not going to respond at all to my actual comment and just continue being high-handed about how awesome you are?
 
2012-11-14 10:50:42 AM

vpb: Let us know when Tennessee pays as much in federal tax as it gets, like California.


That's an artifact of the progressive income tax. California has a lot of rich people both in number and percentage, therefore they send lots of federal income tax money to Washington.

And even if California got back what they paid in they'd still be in a huge hole.
 
2012-11-14 10:59:30 AM

GAT_00: So you're just not going to respond at all to my actual comment and just continue being high-handed about how awesome you are?


I did respond to your comment. it's obvious to the casual observer that it takes two sides to clog up a budget process. What's less obvious is that budget gridlock becomes more likely the more power is concentrated in one place, as it is in Sacramento and Albany, and the less real difference there is between the two governing parties when it comes to how much power they believe the state should have. What they want to use the power for is immaterial. They'll eventually find a way to enjoy the same power they bemoan the other side having.
 
2012-11-14 11:11:23 AM

Gulper Eel: I did respond to your comment.


Really man...don't bother. He's got a degree in cartography orsomethingorother and this makes him an economic savant.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:53 AM

Gulper Eel: I did respond to your comment.


No, you didn't. You decided to blame everyone and completely avoid the actual issue. You've taken this whole thing off on a tangent and said the real blame is all the Democrats fault in a single party system, and yet in every single example, you prove that it cannot be the fault of a single party. You've done nothing but intentionally confuse the issue while trying to further the motive that Democrats are entirely to blame and Republicans are never to blame for anything except for when they agree with Democrats.
 
2012-11-14 11:14:15 AM

Aarontology: Rev.K: sweetmelissa31: Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.

[feministphilosophers.files.wordpress.com image 480x347]

Another possible caption would be "THAT'S IT. I'M ASKING MY BOSS TO CUT MY PAY"


"THIS IS ALL BECAUSE STEVE AND LARRY NEXT DOOR GOT MARRIED."
 
2012-11-14 11:31:05 AM

sweetmelissa31: Aarontology: Anyone who compares an American state to Greece has no idea what they're talking about, and only "understands" the crisis on an incredibly superficial level.

Include with that anyone who compares US debt to household debt.


Does this mean I should stop throwing away pennies
 
2012-11-14 11:35:37 AM

GAT_00: No, you didn't. You decided to blame everyone and completely avoid the actual issue. You've taken this whole thing off on a tangent and said the real blame is all the Democrats fault in a single party system, and yet in every single example, you prove that it cannot be the fault of a single party. You've done nothing but intentionally confuse the issue while trying to further the motive that Democrats are entirely to blame and Republicans are never to blame for anything except for when they agree with Democrats.


You want to smack Arnold around, I have no problem with that. You think the national GOP is a mess, take a look at state Republican parties. Two million Republicans in New York and we get Wendy (Paladino In A Pantsuit) Long running against Gillibrand.

Of course the mess could play the other way around in a legislature where a bunch of Democrats gravitate to previously Republican positions, and that's just what I've heard argued about Obama (y'know, he's really a center-right kind of guy!)...but that's not what's going on in California now. The state's been getting bluer and bluer for decades. Right now it's a one-party supermajority state, and the local opinion makers seem to think that'll be just super despite abundant evidence even in their own state that one-party rule leads to epic clusterfarks.
 
2012-11-14 11:40:27 AM
Yeah.
Including CAP AND TRADE, which begins today.

Have fun with that.
 
2012-11-14 11:40:32 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Gulper Eel: I did respond to your comment.

Really man...don't bother. He's got a degree in cartography orsomethingorother and this makes him an economic savant.


Eww he has a college degree? How's America looking from your ivory tower PROFESSOR GAT_00?
 
2012-11-14 11:42:06 AM
Can we force California to secede or are they "too big to fail"?
 
2012-11-14 11:42:10 AM
Did anyone mention Reagan was an idiot and a puppet?

Reagan was an idiot and a puppet and a horrible President too. And a shiatty actor.
 
2012-11-14 11:42:37 AM

GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.


North Carolina too. Soon to be Republican governor, state senate, and state house.
 
2012-11-14 11:42:59 AM
Kansas government has two-party control: the right-wing Republicans, and the extreme Teabagger bat-shiat-insane Republicans.

You've never had gridlock until you've had it all-GOP style.
 
2012-11-14 11:45:11 AM

GAT_00: Gulper Eel: I did respond to your comment.

No, you didn't. You decided to blame everyone and completely avoid the actual issue. You've taken this whole thing off on a tangent and said the real blame is all the Democrats fault in a single party system, and yet in every single example, you prove that it cannot be the fault of a single party. You've done nothing but intentionally confuse the issue while trying to further the motive that Democrats are entirely to blame and Republicans are never to blame for anything except for when they agree with Democrats.


No can't you see? The California republicans are really democrats, because Nelson Rockefeller.
 
2012-11-14 11:45:22 AM

I_C_Weener: Can we force California to secede or are they "too big to fail"?


On its own, CA has a GDP larger than some countries. If CA goes, who going to pay the bills of red states who leech more Federal money than they return in revenue?
 
2012-11-14 11:45:31 AM

GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.


Or Texas, where we had redistricting after the 2000 census. The 2001 redistricting was done by a judicial panel, as requested by Republicans when both sides couldn't agree on a map.

Then, when Republicans took over the state legislature, they decided to re-redistrict.
 
2012-11-14 11:49:54 AM

nmemkha: I_C_Weener: Can we force California to secede or are they "too big to fail"?

On its own, CA has a GDP larger than some countries. If CA goes, who going to pay the bills of red states who leech more Federal money than they return in revenue?



So...too big to fail.  Got it.
 
2012-11-14 11:50:11 AM
The 1 percent are thriving in California. So it's not all bad.
 
2012-11-14 11:50:38 AM

Gulper Eel: GAT_00: No, you didn't. You decided to blame everyone and completely avoid the actual issue. You've taken this whole thing off on a tangent and said the real blame is all the Democrats fault in a single party system, and yet in every single example, you prove that it cannot be the fault of a single party. You've done nothing but intentionally confuse the issue while trying to further the motive that Democrats are entirely to blame and Republicans are never to blame for anything except for when they agree with Democrats.

You want to smack Arnold around, I have no problem with that. You think the national GOP is a mess, take a look at state Republican parties. Two million Republicans in New York and we get Wendy (Paladino In A Pantsuit) Long running against Gillibrand.

Of course the mess could play the other way around in a legislature where a bunch of Democrats gravitate to previously Republican positions, and that's just what I've heard argued about Obama (y'know, he's really a center-right kind of guy!)...but that's not what's going on in California now. The state's been getting bluer and bluer for decades. Right now it's a one-party supermajority state, and the local opinion makers seem to think that'll be just super despite abundant evidence even in their own state that one-party rule leads to epic clusterfarks.


And yet again you continue the same tired rhetoric. Democrats are always to blame for everything and when Republicans are to blame, it's because they acted like Democrats. And you have still yet to make a single contribution on the topic of a single party state when every single example you've given is where two parties compromised to find a solution.

Here's a hint for you: when Republicans agree with Democrats and compromise, that doesn't make them Democrats. That makes them responsible adults who found a solution to a problem that both sides could agree to.

Take your false equivalence and your nonsense and go away.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:56 AM
Maybe they wouldn't be a one party state if the GOP weren't batshait crazy.

And the state has made major cuts, it's the stalemate that allows a minority to prevent raising revenues while initiatives bring in more unfunded mandates that are the problem.
 
2012-11-14 11:53:59 AM
Well if you have issue with using CA as a reference point how about IL? Havent had a repub gov in a decade and I cannot hazzard a guess when the last time the dems did not have the house and senate. Nor do we have prop 13. Granted we do not have the OMFGWAAGTD level of unfundedness as CA, we are 2nd or 3rd on most lists of badly ran pension systems.
 
2012-11-14 11:54:02 AM

I_C_Weener: Can we force California to secede or are they "too big to fail"?


I've often wondered if the Congress could boot a state out of the Union.
 
2012-11-14 11:54:32 AM

I_C_Weener: nmemkha: I_C_Weener: Can we force California to secede or are they "too big to fail"?

On its own, CA has a GDP larger than some countries. If CA goes, who going to pay the bills of red states who leech more Federal money than they return in revenue?


So...too big to fail.  Got it.


So who is going to foot the bill for your welfare state?
 
2012-11-14 11:55:00 AM

GAT_00: Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.

Yet all of those things happened before this so-called one party rule in California, so I'm not sure how your point in valid. Are you saying that no Republican has any impact on the state of California? Because I recall quite clearly that budget negotiations crashed specifically because Republicans refused to negotiate over the budget, leading to the credit rating drop that you're referring to. The state couldn't pay it's bills because it didn't have a budget.

So how is that the Democratic Party's fault, or the fault of one party rule?


THIS

The GOP blocks every attempt to raise taxes because CA requires a supermajority to pass a budget. Combine that with the ridiculous proposition system where people vote to spend state money (or vote to limit cuts), and California has a huge budget deficit. And Washington state just voted to require a 2/3 majority in order to raise taxes. I tried to warn my friends, pointing to CA's issues with passing a budget, but apparently I DON'T know every voter in the state.

/San Diegan living in Seattle
 
2012-11-14 11:55:06 AM
Greece... Boob job...

I'll be in my bunk
 
2012-11-14 11:55:08 AM

Gulper Eel: It's the fault of what is one-party rule in outlook if not in name. Two slightly different flavors of statist does not equal diversity. When's the last time California had a meaningful fiscal conservative presence - 40 years ago? 50?

Republican =/= conservative, especially in the blue states.


I lived in California and this is completely untrue. Rural California is as conservative as any Southern state and its representatives reflect that conservatism. The only place this is true is the governor. Arnold was a very moderate governor.
 
2012-11-14 11:56:55 AM

Cletus C.: The 1 percent are thriving in California. So it's not all bad.


The 1% are thriving period. Since none of that seems to be trickling down, guess we should raise taxes. Oh look that's what California did.
 
2012-11-14 11:58:54 AM

MacEnvy: Gulper Eel: GAT_00: Funny, I see no article from Reason denouncing Tennessee now that enough Republicans are in the state assembly that they can suspend normal rules whenever they want. I guess one party rule isn't bad when Republicans do it.

Let us know when Tennessee manages to run up a half trillion in unfunded pension obligations while its credit goes into the shiatter.

For that to happen, at some point there would have had to have been a half trillion dollars in the state of TN.



you obviously have a weak grasp of the concept of projecting future expenditures and revenue and their often non existent correlation with current government cashflow.
perhaps you should leave the snark to people with above room temperature IQs.
 
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