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2012-11-14 08:52:10 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com 
 
2012-11-14 09:31:30 AM
Interesting that, according to TFA, this is a bigger hit with women...
 
2012-11-14 09:52:21 AM
Oh, boy. I have a friend who's going to want me to do this.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:09 AM

Cythraul: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x483]


Fun fact: I went to college with him. Broken Lizard started there. Knew Paul Soter best, though.
 
2012-11-14 09:56:01 AM
So it's a slightly more involved/tactical version of Airsoft or paintball? If you can take the pain then go for it.

/paintball fun
//check out Promised Land Paintball in Trevor, WI
 
2012-11-14 09:57:39 AM

Diogenes: Cythraul: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x483]

Fun fact: I went to college with him. Broken Lizard started there. Knew Paul Soter best, though.


You went to college with him? I don't suppose I'd have a chance at getting into his pants, eh?
 
2012-11-14 10:04:23 AM

Cythraul: Diogenes: Cythraul: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x483]

Fun fact: I went to college with him. Broken Lizard started there. Knew Paul Soter best, though.

You went to college with him? I don't suppose I'd have a chance at getting into his pants, eh?


The only one of the crew I really knew well was Soter. He and I sang in male a cappella group The Colgate Thirteen. And I hung Jay sometimes. Paul and I wrote comedy sketches for the 13 together.

Lemme's definitely the hottie of the group, though. Shame I didn't know him better back then. Then again he was a Beta.

/threadjack
 
2012-11-14 10:09:36 AM
Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.
 
2012-11-14 10:17:54 AM

Ennuipoet: Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.


Fark Party at Diogenes' place! I've been wanting to shoot some of you farkers for a long time.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:12 AM

Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.

Fark Party at Diogenes' place! I've been wanting to shoot some of you farkers for a long time.


Aim for my face, if you know what I mean.
 
2012-11-14 11:11:32 AM

Diogenes: Fark Party at Diogenes' place! I've been wanting to shoot some of you farkers for a long time.

So long as there is proper safety equipment:
page.crystalcomments.com
 
2012-11-14 11:25:48 AM

Diogenes: Cythraul: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x483]

Fun fact: I went to college with him. Broken Lizard started there. Knew Paul Soter best, though.


And this is why you're Blue :D.
 
2012-11-14 11:26:19 AM
pakconnect.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-14 11:27:08 AM
If CoD hurt as much as a Palestinian taking an Israeli rubber bullet few would play. The ones left would be worth watching for future note.
 
2012-11-14 11:32:23 AM

Cythraul: Diogenes: Ennuipoet: Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.

Fark Party at Diogenes' place! I've been wanting to shoot some of you farkers for a long time.

Aim for my face, if you know what I mean.


I'll paint you with my love :-p
 
2012-11-14 11:33:22 AM
Sounds like fun. I'd do it.
 
2012-11-14 11:34:45 AM
"call to duty"?
 
2012-11-14 11:35:05 AM
Subby didn't RTFA?
 
2012-11-14 11:35:50 AM
Gun range allows patrons to shoot each other rather than paper targets. What can possibly go wrong not that there is anything wrong with that in this thread?
 
2012-11-14 11:35:51 AM
This clown is gonna get sooooo sued by a redneck.
 
2012-11-14 11:37:32 AM

brandoj: "call to duty"?


I have that after I eat eggs, or drink coffee.
 
2012-11-14 11:38:11 AM
Florida tag says a lot here
 
2012-11-14 11:38:25 AM
This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.
 
2012-11-14 11:39:46 AM
The video game Call to Duty is incredibly realistic."

What an idiot. Everyone knows it's "Call to Doody".
 
2012-11-14 11:39:56 AM
Police raid the establishment, due to a wallet being left on the ground outside.

23 dead.

Internal Affairs labels the carnage a justifiable mass homicide because the officers felt "threatened".
 
2012-11-14 11:42:42 AM
The derp in TFA put my derp-meter off the scale. The woman who says it's better to have a female instructor. Right, 'cause if you're a woman you'd want to be shot by another woman, not by a man, because the rubber bullets bruisng your body are going to be so much different. Hope she remembers that out in the "real world" she can always stop her male car-jacker to ask him if he has a female partner that can shoot her instead.
 
2012-11-14 11:43:31 AM

Louisiana_Sitar_Club: The video game Call to Duty is incredibly realistic."

What an idiot. Everyone knows it's "Call to Doody".


That's quite enough, Mr. Norquist.
 
2012-11-14 11:43:44 AM

MycroftHolmes: This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.


The problem is that if you reflexively think of it like that always, you won't be prepared to use it when you really, *REALLY* need it. That sort-of defeats the purpose of having a gun then, doesn't it?

Sure, you always mind where your muzzle is, and keep your booger-hook off the bang switch, but training like this isn't a bad thing, anymore than it is for anyone else who carries a gun.
 
2012-11-14 11:44:42 AM
I miss miles gear. beep beep beep....
 
2012-11-14 11:44:44 AM

xanadian: Interesting that, according to TFA, this is a bigger hit with women...


A little white lie by the range owner, to get the pudgy neckbeard survivalists to come down where da wimmins is at.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:38 AM
We are close, as a society, to having Running Man or Hunger Games turn into real realty shows.
 
2012-11-14 11:56:05 AM
Sounds like simunitions to me. Good times.
 
2012-11-14 11:56:53 AM
Someone's been reading Gaiman and Pratchett's Good Omens
 
2012-11-14 11:57:56 AM

Ennuipoet: Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.


I teach at some facilities that are also used for tactical training, and it is cool to see the smeared lipstick all over every surface, knowing the pwnage that represents from other classes. I never got to go through those classes when I was active, though.

MycroftHolmes: This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.


If you assume that they throw gun safety out the window when you enter, then why don't you assume they're also burning effigies at the end of training sessions? Both are equally nonsensical. If you've got a home-defense weapon, what you'd assume would be the last line between your family's safety and death, is it a terrible idea to have ever wielded it in practice against a moving target?
 
2012-11-14 11:59:13 AM
MycroftHolmes: This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.

I've taken a course similar to this. Believe me when I tell you it not only gives you MUCH greater respect for your weapon, it also gives you a VERY different perspective of the circumstances under which you would have to use it. My chances of survival in such a situation are a lot better than before I had this training,
 
2012-11-14 12:00:40 PM
Soft rubber bullet? Are we talking about the kind the police use or something special? Cause those the police use are rubber over steel and they are anything but soft.
 
2012-11-14 12:04:26 PM

tlenon: I miss miles gear. beep beep beep....


You are a sick, sick individual.
 
2012-11-14 12:06:43 PM
FTFA: "The video game Call to Duty is incredibly realistic"

OH FOR FARK'S SAKE
 
2012-11-14 12:11:06 PM

ArkAngel: So it's a slightly more involved/tactical version of Airsoft or paintball? If you can take the pain then go for it.


Yeah, airsoft using your real gun with some barrel mods at the low low price of $150 a day, or something like that. Or you can just buy an airsoft gun that looks real, plus safety goggles and a few accessories for about $200 and then your recurring costs are about $30 a day with game fees and ammo.
 
2012-11-14 12:11:39 PM

factoryconnection: Ennuipoet: Simunition was just coming on the market when I left the military, I always wanted to get the chance to use it.

I teach at some facilities that are also used for tactical training, and it is cool to see the smeared lipstick all over every surface, knowing the pwnage that represents from other classes. I never got to go through those classes when I was active, though.

MycroftHolmes: This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.

If you assume that they throw gun safety out the window when you enter, then why don't you assume they're also burning effigies at the end of training sessions? Both are equally nonsensical. If you've got a home-defense weapon, what you'd assume would be the last line between your family's safety and death, is it a terrible idea to have ever wielded it in practice against a moving target?


OK, upon rereading the article, I realize it is more instructor led tactical training than super paintball free for all. I have less an issue with training in dynamic situations (yes, in order to use your weapon in home defense situations, you need to train so that your actions are reflexive). The comparisons in the article to paintball and video games gave me the wrong impression.
 
2012-11-14 12:29:44 PM

MycroftHolmes: The comparisons in the article to paintball and video games gave me the wrong impression.


Hey, if you want journalism go talk to the pinkoes at NPR... we've got ad time to sell!

steve_wmn: Or you can just buy an airsoft gun that looks real, plus safety goggles and a few accessories for about $200 and then your recurring costs are about $30 a day with game fees and ammo.


They're going for realistic experience with trigger pulls, recoil, case ejection, muzzle flash and noise to give trainees an actual idea of what it is to fire a weapon at someone. They have airsoft matches (at the same place based on their sign) for when people want to just play pretend-time.

I'm not dissing airsoft, mind you; this is just a different product altogether.
 
2012-11-14 12:37:12 PM
And, how long before all the ex-SF at the local IDPA range move in and have a mass simu-slaughter of the innocent?

It tends to be what happens around here at the paintball field, anyway. The SOC vs SWAT paintball wars are
entertaining.

/It's "De Innocens Interfectorem" today, boys!
 
2012-11-14 12:39:56 PM
This proper gun control. Using a lightly modified real gun while shooting other people and having them shoot me is a little unnerving. But, this style of training is what any gun owner that expects to use it as home and/or personal defense. I allowed my CCDW to expire and sold my handgun because between school and work there were very few times I could carry, and don't have anything beyond shooting paper for training. I'll get it all again soon along with training to be able to actually put up some defense.
 
2012-11-14 12:43:56 PM

Ambitwistor: [pakconnect.files.wordpress.com image 150x147]


You do know that's special effects makeup, right?
 
2012-11-14 12:48:30 PM
www.ttellc.net

As someone who trains with and teaches with sims, I'm getting a kick out of all these replies.

Just for the record, whats in TFA isn't Simunition brand gear, it's all Ultimate Training Munitions (UTM) stuff. Yeah it hurts. OMG no, it won't ingrain bad habits unless your coach/trainer is allowing it to become 'gamey'.

You're getting just enough pain/weapons feedback that you'll have a decent idea of how you'll perform under time/ego/fire induced stress. Which at best, is about 50% of your best training level.

/real ITG, teaching an awesome set of 20+/- future meat eaters.
 
2012-11-14 01:03:26 PM

Kyoki: You're getting just enough pain/weapons feedback that you'll have a decent idea of how you'll perform under time/ego/fire induced stress. Which at best, is about 50% of your best training level.


Heh.

Having participated in a number of primitive biathlons over the years, I find my shooting goes downhill quickly when I shoot "on the clock", having just run through half a mile of woods.
 
2012-11-14 01:12:29 PM

dittybopper: Heh.

Having participated in a number of primitive biathlons over the years, I find my shooting goes downhill quickly when I shoot "on the clock", having just run through half a mile of woods.


Apparently, I can't directly link you to the teams FB page (fark filter), but if you search for USAFACST on fb, you'll find some great info. A cool video if nothing else (some sim use too).

There's a photo gallery of me running them against each other in a mini-competition a couple of weeks ago. Lotta fun (requires a FB account)

Shooting on a square range is easy. When you're winded, tired, stressed, etc. That's when you'll get a better picture of what your performance will really be like.

Good on you for a) pushing your comfort zone b) admitting it in public. Setting your ego aside and pushing for that next rung on the ladder of excellence is what shapes a better person.
 
2012-11-14 01:25:11 PM

Kyoki: dittybopper: Heh.

Having participated in a number of primitive biathlons over the years, I find my shooting goes downhill quickly when I shoot "on the clock", having just run through half a mile of woods.

Apparently, I can't directly link you to the teams FB page (fark filter), but if you search for USAFACST on fb, you'll find some great info. A cool video if nothing else (some sim use too).

There's a photo gallery of me running them against each other in a mini-competition a couple of weeks ago. Lotta fun (requires a FB account)

Shooting on a square range is easy. When you're winded, tired, stressed, etc. That's when you'll get a better picture of what your performance will really be like.

Good on you for a) pushing your comfort zone b) admitting it in public. Setting your ego aside and pushing for that next rung on the ladder of excellence is what shapes a better person.



That, and it's a good excuse for a guy in his mid-40s to have a mohawk (check my profile).

At least, that's how I justify it to the distaffbopper.
 
2012-11-14 01:45:50 PM

MycroftHolmes: This is a horrible idea. So much of gun safety is the ingrained and reflexive respect for your weapon, always treating it as if it were a loaded and dangerous device. Getting people to think of it, even temporarily, as a toy is going to eventually lead to a .40 cal brain fart.


I bet you hate rifles with pink stocks for girls too. Lighten up Frances.
 
2012-11-14 01:47:08 PM

dittybopper: Sure, you always mind where your muzzle is, and keep your booger-hook off the bang switch, but training like this isn't a bad thing, anymore than it is for anyone else who carries a gun.


It should be essential training, in my view.
Following the rules is all the more important when you are in an unfamiliar situation. Ironically, nothing is going to be more unfamiliar to most gun owners than an actual gun battle. The noise an excitement will bring about stupid mistakes much more easily.

I recall a recent accident at a National guard training where a soldier was hit by a round that (according to one witness) cooked off on the other end of the firing line.
A simple oversight like being swept by someone elses muzzle cost him his leg.
 
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