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2012-11-14 08:33:46 AM  
So, the guy is an attention whore. Seems this guy needs a public shaming, like, during prime time and on every channel. Yes, even HGTV and QVC. USE *ALL* THE CHANNELS!!!

People like this trivialize those who suffer *real* abuse.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:57 AM  
Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.
 
2012-11-14 08:53:47 AM  
Watch "Being Elmo", and try telling me with a straight face that Kevin Clash is anything but a huge nerd that obviously loves what he does. The guy is a borderline aspergers puppet savant. That somebody would take advantage of that is shameful.
 
2012-11-14 08:55:13 AM  

NowhereMon: Watch "Being Elmo", and try telling me with a straight face that Kevin Clash is anything but a huge nerd that obviously loves what he does. The guy is a borderline aspergers puppet savant. That somebody would take advantage of that is shameful.


Aspergers? He always seemed very outgoing to me in most of his interviews. I guess you mean his obsession with his trade?
 
2012-11-14 08:55:35 AM  
No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-14 09:00:35 AM  

Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.


Except that the accused wouldn't have paid, since paying hush money is a tacit admission of guilt.
 
2012-11-14 09:30:29 AM  

vpb: Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.

Except that the accused wouldn't have paid, since paying hush money is a tacit admission of guilt.


Or a really smart movie for someone whose future earning would be destroyed by a long sex abuse trial even if they are found not guilty.
 
2012-11-14 09:38:00 AM  
1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?
 
2012-11-14 09:38:57 AM  
Good. However:

"I am a gay man," Clash said in a statement issued Monday. "I have never been ashamed of this or tried to hide it, but felt it was a personal and private matter.

Oh? "Never," you say?

In an interview previously posted on the website of NYC Dads, an initiative of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, he spoke about how he worked to spend time with his daughter, who lives with his ex-wife outside Baltimore.

*snerk*

Sorry. I know the over 40s had a rougher time of it than the younger folks, and many stayed closeted longer. But it still makes my ears perk up. Especially when they say things like that.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:59 AM  
moral of the story is if you are Elmo, don't have a gay relationship with a teenager... Actually, probably good words of wisdom for us all.
 
2012-11-14 09:41:04 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?


Not really.
 
2012-11-14 09:41:25 AM  

Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".


Don't forget being blah. He's a blah gay pedo, the worst kind.
 
2012-11-14 09:41:33 AM  
Er... ok so he's not at all socially inept. Nobody who can relate to kids the way he does can be accused of that. But the rest of it fits dangit!
 
2012-11-14 09:43:04 AM  

Cythraul: Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?

Not really.


Hint: Jordan Chandler.
 
2012-11-14 09:45:44 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?


Call me when Kevin does something like this.
 
2012-11-14 09:46:52 AM  
As I suspected. Shake-downs aren't for amateurs.
 
2012-11-14 09:48:56 AM  
I wonder how much it cost
 
2012-11-14 09:48:58 AM  

NExD: moral of the story is if you are Elmo, don't have a gay relationship with a teenager... Actually, probably good words of wisdom for us all.


Eighteen and nineteen year old people are teenagers and the age of consent in some states is sixteen. I can remember when it was fourteen in Georgia. Making a fool of yourself with someone who is legal, but too young for you is a different thing from going Sandusky.
 
2012-11-14 09:49:29 AM  

Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".


Are you still screaming that having sex with children isn't rape?
 
2012-11-14 09:49:38 AM  
Much like every complaint I expect to hear from my girlfriend's parents when they arrive today for their semi-annual whine-fest, this is a repeat.
 
2012-11-14 09:50:43 AM  
I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.

Then sued for slander, making false statements, fraud, harassment, and anything else we can make stick.

Ruin the motherfarkers life.

We were finally getting to the point in our country that we take rape allegations seriously when it's a man who's molested and this motherfarking republican micropenis goes and ruins it for everyone.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:05 AM  

Shadowtag: Much like every complaint I expect to hear from my girlfriend's parents when they arrive today for their semi-annual whine-fest, this is a repeat.


No, this is a followup. There is even a tag that indicates a followup story. Followups provide new information not covered in the previous article posted to Fark, new information like "the accuser has recanted the story".
 
2012-11-14 09:54:45 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".

Are you still screaming that having sex with children isn't rape?


Sex with children is rape. Sex between consenting adults, as was evidently the case here, is not rape.
 
2012-11-14 09:55:08 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?


SHAMONE!
 
2012-11-14 09:55:28 AM  

dv-ous: Sorry. I know the over 40s had a rougher time of it than the younger folks, and many stayed closeted longer. But it still makes my ears perk up. Especially when they say things like that.



Not inconsistent if it simply took him a while to realize that men interested him far more than women.
 
2012-11-14 09:56:12 AM  
La la la la
la la la la
Elmo's cock.

/No, you can't unhear it in your head
//Mr. NOODLE!
 
2012-11-14 09:56:49 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?


Urkel?
 
2012-11-14 09:59:50 AM  

fluffy2097: I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.

Then sued for slander, making false statements, fraud, harassment, and anything else we can make stick.

Ruin the motherfarkers life.

We were finally getting to the point in our country that we take rape allegations seriously when it's a man who's molested and this motherfarking republican micropenis goes and ruins it for everyone.


What about people like this who are paid off to recant?
 
2012-11-14 09:59:50 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".

Are you still screaming that having sex with children isn't rape?


I'm saying:

- you jumped to a conclusion
- you conflated homosexuality and pedophilia
- you condemned anyone who didn't drag out the pitchforks and torches immediately

And you still seem fixated on the idea that this was pedophilia as opposed to statutory rape. Now we know it's neither.
 
2012-11-14 10:01:23 AM  
He didn't really recant the sex allegations.
 
2012-11-14 10:02:03 AM  

NowhereMon: Watch "Being Elmo", and try telling me with a straight face that Kevin Clash is anything but a huge nerd that obviously loves what he does. The guy is a borderline aspergers puppet savant. That somebody would take advantage of that is shameful.

 
2012-11-14 10:02:22 AM  

dv-ous: Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?

Call me when Kevin does something like this.

"Not childish, but childlike."


The guy was a weird peter-pan manchild, and if he even had a sexuality it's not something I'm qualified to even name, but all of the facts available today pretty much unanimously agree the guy never molested any kids. He slept in the same bed sure, he was physically a grown man and there's nothing at all right about that, but if there was anything at all sexual about it then I'm Richard Simmons' girlfriend.
 
2012-11-14 10:03:02 AM  

JK47: dv-ous: Sorry. I know the over 40s had a rougher time of it than the younger folks, and many stayed closeted longer. But it still makes my ears perk up. Especially when they say things like that.


Not inconsistent if it simply took him a while to realize that men interested him far more than women.


Yeah and it is amazing how many people do not understand that people really aren't born gay straight or bi. Sexuality is fluid and peoples' sexual preferences can shift around through out their lives. I know a "gay" guy, who at age 45 decided he wanted to start having straight sex and reserve gay sex as a once-in-a-while activity. His biggest problem was that he had never been with a woman and was clueless. Luckily for him, he had a woman friend who was willing to teach him.
 
2012-11-14 10:03:11 AM  

fluffy2097: I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.


I thought false rape accusations didn't exist?
 
2012-11-14 10:03:12 AM  

Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.


TMZ started the settlement rumor: "It's unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story ... but sources close to the situation tell TMZ ... the accuser's attorney had been meeting with Clash's attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table."
 
2012-11-14 10:03:21 AM  
6 figures will get most people to recant

Link
 
2012-11-14 10:03:22 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: He didn't really recant the sex allegations.


It was my understanding that he recanted that he was a minor when the sex happened. So no, he didn't recant the 'sex allegations.'
 
2012-11-14 10:03:23 AM  
So we're talking 18 and mid-40s? Legal, if barely.

The Greeks had a word for that, too. They called it "the army".
 
2012-11-14 10:03:34 AM  

Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.


For a six figure settlement, I'd backdoor Richard Simmons while fingering Roseanne
 
2012-11-14 10:04:56 AM  

NowhereMon: Watch "Being Elmo", and try telling me with a straight face that Kevin Clash is anything but a huge nerd that obviously loves what he does. The guy is a borderline aspergers puppet savant. That somebody would take advantage of that is shameful.


Ha! You said, "aspergers", and Clash likes to phuq young'uns in the ass.

You, sir, owe me a keyboard.

/I said "young'uns, not kids.
 
2012-11-14 10:06:13 AM  

JackieRabbit: JK47: dv-ous: Sorry. I know the over 40s had a rougher time of it than the younger folks, and many stayed closeted longer. But it still makes my ears perk up. Especially when they say things like that.


Not inconsistent if it simply took him a while to realize that men interested him far more than women.

Yeah and it is amazing how many people do not understand that people really aren't born gay straight or bi. Sexuality is fluid and peoples' sexual preferences can shift around through out their lives. I know a "gay" guy, who at age 45 decided he wanted to start having straight sex and reserve gay sex as a once-in-a-while activity. His biggest problem was that he had never been with a woman and was clueless. Luckily for him, he had a woman friend who was willing to teach him.


No, it just takes some people time to unleash repressed feelings.
 
2012-11-14 10:07:10 AM  
Am I the only one who laughed at subby's headline??
 
2012-11-14 10:07:50 AM  

Joe Blowme: What about people like this who are paid off to recant?


He paid up to keep his ass out of jail.

Filing blatantly false rape accusations gets you put in jail.

Keep farking that chicken. It's probably legal to fark animals where you live and at least you're having sex with something of the same level of intelligence as you, so... God bless.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:02 AM  

Cythraul: DrewCurtisJr: He didn't really recant the sex allegations.

It was my understanding that he recanted that he was a minor when the sex happened. So no, he didn't recant the 'sex allegations.'


"[The accuser] wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship. [The accuser] will have no further comment."

If the relationship continued past his 18th birthday, it was an adult relationship "at one time." Might have started out otherwise. Lawyers are good with words. "We never had sex when I was a minor" is a recantation.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:34 AM  

fluffy2097: Joe Blowme: What about people like this who are paid off to recant?

He paid up to keep his ass out of jail.

Filing blatantly false rape accusations gets you put in jail.

Keep farking that chicken. It's probably legal to fark animals where you live and at least you're having sex with something of the same level of intelligence as you, so... God bless.


So elmo paid him 6 figures to keep him out of jail? you sound retarded
 
2012-11-14 10:11:42 AM  

fluffy2097: Filing blatantly false rape accusations gets you put in jail.


What part was blatantly false? This was always about what age the guy was when the relationship started, and if we don't know what age that was, then you can't say the accusation is "blatantly false".
 
2012-11-14 10:12:39 AM  

vpb: Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.

Except that the accused wouldn't have paid, since paying hush money is a tacit admission of guilt.


The cost of defense would have been higher than the cost of a settlement. And that's not including the damage a long drawn out trial would have done to Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, and even PBS in general. Even if the accuser didn't have any case, his lawyer would have made one salacious accusation after another. You know that the media, especially the right-wing media, would have reported each of those groundless accusations breathlessly. Hell, there's a good chance it could have ended up with congressional hearings.
Kevin Clash would have been uterly destroyed, and those who despise PBS would have used the story to try to defund them.

/PBS: A NEST OF PEDOPHILES?!?
//PBS: DID THEY PROTECT THE ACCUSED PEDOPHILE? HOW MANY MORE VICTIMS ARE THERE!?!?!?
 
2012-11-14 10:14:00 AM  

Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?


www.michaeljacksonsightings.com
 
2012-11-14 10:19:14 AM  

hbk72777: JackieRabbit: JK47: dv-ous: Sorry. I know the over 40s had a rougher time of it than the younger folks, and many stayed closeted longer. But it still makes my ears perk up. Especially when they say things like that.


Not inconsistent if it simply took him a while to realize that men interested him far more than women.

Yeah and it is amazing how many people do not understand that people really aren't born gay straight or bi. Sexuality is fluid and peoples' sexual preferences can shift around through out their lives. I know a "gay" guy, who at age 45 decided he wanted to start having straight sex and reserve gay sex as a once-in-a-while activity. His biggest problem was that he had never been with a woman and was clueless. Luckily for him, he had a woman friend who was willing to teach him.

No, it just takes some people time to unleash repressed feelings.


You're being way too general. The human psyche is much too complex for generalizations. Homosexuality has been becoming more and more accepted and mainstream my whole life. Gays are generally acknowledging their sexuality and coming out very early in life these days because the social stigma is not what it once was. For most people, there is no need to repress their sexual feelings. More, younger people are experimenting much more than in the past and the pigeonholes of sexual identity that we have embraced for so long are becoming meaningless.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:42 AM  
*cough* Payoff *cough*
 
2012-11-14 10:22:58 AM  

fluffy2097: I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.

Then sued for slander, making false statements, fraud, harassment, and anything else we can make stick.

Ruin the motherfarkers life.

We were finally getting to the point in our country that we take rape allegations seriously when it's a man who's molested and this motherfarking republican micropenis goes and ruins it for everyone.


I haven't seen where the accusers political affiliation was posted in any of the articles. For you to politicize this, you must be a special kind of stupid.
 
2012-11-14 10:24:49 AM  

Nightsweat: Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?

Urkel?


JJ Walker?
 
2012-11-14 10:30:30 AM  

FTDA: fluffy2097: I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.

Then sued for slander, making false statements, fraud, harassment, and anything else we can make stick.

Ruin the motherfarkers life.

We were finally getting to the point in our country that we take rape allegations seriously when it's a man who's molested and this motherfarking republican micropenis goes and ruins it for everyone.

I haven't seen where the accusers political affiliation was posted in any of the articles. For you to politicize this, you must be a special kind of stupid.


"Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."
 
2012-11-14 10:35:19 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."


So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?
 
2012-11-14 10:38:21 AM  

Fark In The Duck: Am I the only one who laughed at subby's headline??


Nope.
 
2012-11-14 10:43:22 AM  
Good. I finally believe you people that being gay isn't really a choice, so the "ick" factor is gone. Just two gay guys doing their thing, so it's no-one's business

Plus, as weird as Michael Jackson was, it sounds like he was foolish, but not a pedo. His career and reputation suffered tremendously after the extortion.

So, if I ran the universe, false accusers would be shotgunned in the genitals during a live news conference. Just as 100%-no-doubt-about-it assaulters should be.
 
2012-11-14 10:53:46 AM  
JackieRabbit: You're being way too general. The human psyche is much too complex for generalizations. Homosexuality has been becoming more and more accepted and mainstream my whole life. Gays are generally acknowledging their sexuality and coming out very early in life these days because the social stigma is not what it once was. For most people, there is no need to repress their sexual feelings. More, younger people are experimenting much more than in the past and the pigeonholes of sexual identity that we have embraced for so long are becoming meaningless.

Male sexuality is relatively rigid, usually developing some sort of fetish early on. Female sexuality is more about genuine connection and can be very fluid. (Dan Savage touches on this frequently)
 
2012-11-14 10:55:17 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: FTDA: fluffy2097: I think people who charge people with rape and then recant their stories should be legitimately raped.

Then sued for slander, making false statements, fraud, harassment, and anything else we can make stick.

Ruin the motherfarkers life.

We were finally getting to the point in our country that we take rape allegations seriously when it's a man who's molested and this motherfarking republican micropenis goes and ruins it for everyone.

I haven't seen where the accusers political affiliation was posted in any of the articles. For you to politicize this, you must be a special kind of stupid.

"Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."


Ahh, it's clear now. Well I guess I'm a moderate n***er.
 
2012-11-14 10:56:08 AM  

fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."

So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?


13th amendment.
 
2012-11-14 10:56:56 AM  

FTDA: Nightsweat: Flakeloaf: 1. Black guy
2. Entertainer
3. Socially inept
4. Profoundly gifted at his craft
5. Outwardly ambiguous sexuality
6. Extorted for money by lurid accusation which has since been recanted

Anyone else following me here?

Urkel?


Laura was a beard?
 
2012-11-14 10:59:11 AM  

fickenchucker: So, if I ran the universe, false accusers would be shotgunned in the genitals during a live news conference. Just as 100%-no-doubt-about-it assaulters should be.


I can get behind this.

It's pretty telling who are defending a person making false rape accusations.

Remember folks.
Sex between consenting adults == immoral pedopheila
Making false statements to the police with the purpose of ruining someones life == Moral.

/Not sure how this can be anything but rapepublican values.
 
2012-11-14 11:00:03 AM  

FTDA: fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."

So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?

13th amendment.


the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. Remember?
 
2012-11-14 11:03:35 AM  

omgbears:
Male sexuality is relatively rigid, usually developing some sort of fetish early on. Female sexuality is more about genuine connection and can be very fluid. (Dan Savage touches on this frequently)


My sexuality usually results in fluid of some sort.
 
2012-11-14 11:08:31 AM  

Diogenes: david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".

Are you still screaming that having sex with children isn't rape?

I'm saying:

- you jumped to a conclusion
- you conflated homosexuality and pedophilia
- you condemned anyone who didn't drag out the pitchforks and torches immediately

And you still seem fixated on the idea that this was pedophilia as opposed to statutory rape. Now we know it's neither.


There will be no logic in this discussion.
 
2012-11-14 11:09:21 AM  

fluffy2097: FTDA: fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."

So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?

13th amendment.

the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. Remember?


Parchment actually, but no, it is an actual valid document to me. But feel free to keep wiping your ass with it if it makes you happy.
 
2012-11-14 11:15:09 AM  

FTDA: fluffy2097: FTDA: fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."

So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?

13th amendment.

the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper. Remember?

Parchment actually, but no, it is an actual valid document to me. But feel free to keep wiping your ass with it if it makes you happy.


That's an apocryphal quote attributed to GWB.
 
jvl
2012-11-14 11:16:59 AM  
It's still creepy. The formula is that your partner's age must >= [your age] / 2 + 7

This relationship breaks the creepy barrier by a mile.
 
2012-11-14 11:18:50 AM  

omgbears: Male sexuality is relatively rigid, usually developing some sort of fetish early on. Female sexuality is more about genuine connection and can be very fluid. (Dan Savage touches on this frequently)


Dan Savage? Oh please. He's a charlatan. Male sexuality, in reality, is not rigid at all. We are socialized to be rigid and nothing more. Socialization is easily overcome and behavior altered. It is actually very common for men in their 40s and 50s to become intensely interested in experimenting with male-to-male sex, even though they have never had any previous desire alone this line. Psychotherapists counsel a lot of these men; it's one of the more common reasons for seeking therapy.
 
2012-11-14 11:19:15 AM  
So another case of the media reporting something with no basis in fact. An accusation isn't valid unless it's true, right?

If something can't be proven to have happened, how can it be considered "news" and be reported by "news organizations?" Isn't it just gossip until substantiated?
 
2012-11-14 11:25:57 AM  

fluffy2097: BarkingUnicorn: "Republican" is the new, socially acceptable "n***er."

So. What are you saying? That the Democrats own them?

http://wkrn.images.worldnow.com/images/19356789_BG1.jpg


Are we still allowed to call him Republican Jim, or is that your word?
 
2012-11-14 11:26:52 AM  
Bah, arsed my tag. A photograph of Republican Jim appears below. We apologize for the error.

wkrn.images.worldnow.com
 
2012-11-14 11:28:16 AM  

Nightsweat: La la la la
la la la la
Elmo's cock.

/No, you can't unhear it in your head
//Mr. NOODLE!


Fark you with Big Bird's beak sideways, Nightsweat.
 
2012-11-14 11:29:05 AM  

blunto: So another case of the media reporting something with no basis in fact. An accusation isn't valid unless it's true, right?

If something can't be proven to have happened, how can it be considered "news" and be reported by "news organizations?" Isn't it just gossip until substantiated?


We don't have news anymore. We have an endless stream of hearsay and conjecture mixed with personal opinion from airheads and blowhards.

News died the moment it started needing to worry about ratings.
 
2012-11-14 11:38:42 AM  
Shomebody got paaaiiiddd
 
2012-11-14 11:57:19 AM  

trappedspirit: Shomebody got paaaiiiddd


I don't know if there's a more likely explanation to explain the sudden recanting. Unless Elmo had evidence of blackmail and extortion and threatened to go to the fbi.
 
2012-11-14 11:59:26 AM  

DrewCurtisJr: I don't know if there's a more likely explanation to explain the sudden recanting. Unless Elmo had evidence of blackmail and extortion and threatened to go to the fbi.


Filing false reports is a crime.

Maybe he didn't want to get raped in prison for real.
 
2012-11-14 12:02:26 PM  

JackieRabbit: Male sexuality, in reality, is not rigid at all.


Mine is buddy. Except that one time, but she wanted it on the beach. The beach! Cold water, invasive sand, crabs! Plus I had a big lunch. Oh, and I was kind of tired, and her parents were on vacation with us, which was wierd. But, other than that? They call me MR. Rigid.
 
2012-11-14 12:04:24 PM  
 
2012-11-14 12:06:36 PM  

fluffy2097: Filing false reports is a crime.

Maybe he didn't want to get raped in prison for real.


Did the accuser ever go to the police or was this all a civil matter?
 
2012-11-14 12:55:57 PM  

shabu: JackieRabbit: Male sexuality, in reality, is not rigid at all.

Mine is buddy. Except that one time, but she wanted it on the beach. The beach! Cold water, invasive sand, crabs! Plus I had a big lunch. Oh, and I was kind of tired, and her parents were on vacation with us, which was wierd. But, other than that? They call me MR. Rigid.


See's what you did there, yeah it's mentioned in the lyrics.
 
2012-11-14 01:22:33 PM  

jvl: It's still creepy. The formula is that your partner's age must >= [your age] / 2 + 7

This relationship breaks the creepy barrier by a mile.




Yeah, there's that. But being foolish is different than creepy.

My number would be 28.5, but if a hot 18 came by, and was weird enough to think I'm hot, I'd run her around the block a few times and just pretend I was in high school. Since I'm shooting blanks and don't have to worry about kids, I would teach her all I could before she wised up.

/Of course my wife would have to disappear somehow first, and I don't think I'm something an 18 would want, but we're talking about "what if's" here.
 
2012-11-14 01:34:31 PM  

vpb: Cythraul: Although I don't think this article mentions it (I only scanned the article), I have heard that the lawyers from both parties met shortly before this announcement and may have agreed upon a six-figure settlement. If that is true, I find it hard to believe this accuser was ever being truthful to begin with. If I felt I had been wronged enough to seek justice through the courts, it would take an incredible amount of money for me to change course in that decision.

This sounds like it may have been a case of extortion via litigation.

Except that the accused wouldn't have paid, since paying hush money is a tacit admission of guilt.


Sure, but did you look at the other side of that coin? The side that includes reputation, possible visitation with his kids, parents, kids, trust, admiration, CTW, Sesame Street, what a lot of kids believe is a living breathing Elmo and finally his job that he obviously loves. That side of the coin is much heavier and he paid for what threatened it to go away. Clash would be done if this went to court or kept playing out in public. May be done or mostly done anyway. JMO even though IANAL I've just been around a long time.

Now we were lucky as our kids didn't care about Elmo much because they knew a pedo when they heard one. We(mostly Mom) taught them well. That doesn't mean other kids shouldn't get to listen to one though.

I keed. I feel bad for him. He may be gay, and I don't give a damn if he is, but this guy was probably setting him up all along because he is. I remember being shocked to find out a huge black guy was Elmo's voice a few years ago. I looked at his biography and other stuff I could find and he is a pretty interesting and really driven guy. Seems like a nice guy too. I hope he gets through this with very little fallout.
 
2012-11-14 02:02:06 PM  

JackieRabbit: Dan Savage? Oh please. He's a charlatan. Male sexuality, in reality, is not rigid at all. We are socialized to be rigid and nothing more. Socialization is easily overcome and behavior altered. It is actually very common for men in their 40s and 50s to become intensely interested in experimenting with male-to-male sex, even though they have never had any previous desire alone this line. Psychotherapists counsel a lot of these men; it's one of the more common reasons for seeking therapy.


I probably should have cited his source, which is actually this book.

But who believes science these days?
 
2012-11-14 02:23:53 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Diogenes: No one tell, david_gaithersburg. It seemed highly important to him that Clash be a "gay pedo".

Are you still screaming that having sex with children isn't rape?


Are you still screaming that an openly gay adult having consensual sexual relations with a 18-year-old is rape?
 
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