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(CBS DC)   Dog owners are "devocalizing" their dogs to curtail the pets from barking. Some people have a problem with this   (washington.cbslocal.com) divider line 118
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2012-11-14 08:33:40 AM  
18 votes:
A good example of people who should not be allowed to have a dog.
2012-11-14 08:44:16 AM  
9 votes:

Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.
2012-11-14 08:59:15 AM  
8 votes:
Dear, sh*t for brains pet owners.

They're not stuffed animals. They eat, sh*t, piss, and bark and they need attention and exercise.

They have nerve endings, memories, feelings and are astoundingly loyal when well treated. They are not boo boo kitty plushies that you sit on a shelf in your bedroom.

And if this is how you view your pets, as inconveniences, for God's SAKE don't reproduce.
2012-11-14 08:36:42 AM  
8 votes:

abhorrent1: declawing cats


Declawing cats is a farked up practice.
2012-11-14 08:36:25 AM  
8 votes:
Sadly, this is not new. Back in the '90s someone we knew had their cocker spaniels "debarked" because they didn't like them waking them up with occasional nighttime barks. I consider it cruel and unnecessary.


Just don't have a farking pet of any kind if you can't adapt to and train for their normal animal tendencies.

Or get a plastic fish.
2012-11-14 09:31:30 AM  
7 votes:

gmoney101: MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!


agree completely.

Also, having your pet spayed or neutered will usually improve their life span by a few years, reduce the incidence of reproductive organ cancers especially in dogs; guard against illnesses spurred by an animal reproducing late in their lives and generally is good for the overall health of an animal. Cutting their vocal cords does nothing but force an animal to comply with the will of a useless 'owner', serving no purpose other than making them more of a stuffed toy, and not a companion.
2012-11-14 09:02:57 AM  
7 votes:
There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.
2012-11-14 08:55:21 AM  
7 votes:

GORDON: I don't need an animal to give me a facsimile of love and affection, and I am a light sleeper with asshole neighbors who put their big dogs out overnight in the winter so I get to listen to the dog equivalent of, "I'm cold! I'm cold!" all night.

Silence them, one way or another.


The really sad part is that the dog is probably saying "I'm lonely! I'm lonely!".

Unless it is really cold, I'm not denying that dogs get cold but what most dogs want more than ANYTHING is to be with their owners.

Dogs who bark:
1. First you have to completely ignore the barking. If you yell, your dog is like 'okay! bob is barking too- I'm on to something!'.
2. If you give your dog something really delicious to eat like a kong (you can fill them with plain dog food or other healthy things) or a bully stick or an antler (for extreme chewers) then they are getting rewarded for not barking (because a dog has a hard time having a full mouth and barking).
3. If your dog is so tired from a 2 mile walk and 15 m training session that they are sleeping, they can't be barking.
4. If your dog likes to look out the window/door and bark at anything that passes by, block his view (with cardboard or whatever) at least until you start getting barking under control.

I have a German Shepherd and he barks:
a) when someone is in my front yard at night
b) when he is over the top excited because it is time to play ball...
2012-11-14 08:38:24 AM  
7 votes:

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


No, no it's not.
2012-11-14 08:58:18 AM  
6 votes:
Removing the vocal cords, like declawing a cat, is only removing the annoyance of your failure to properly train the animal, and your failure to properly provide for it.
2012-11-14 08:46:32 AM  
6 votes:
What the hell is the point of a dog that doesn't bark?

CSB moment: I had to go to Boston for a wedding; this was one of the first time me and the missus had been away on a trip without bringing our dog. We stayed at a friends place. That friend had some roomies, and they were cool. But dealing with people walking around in the middle of the night or past his first floor apartment without the dog taking notice, growling or barking was dissarming to say the least.

Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.

This is beyond the pale for me.
2012-11-14 08:44:44 AM  
6 votes:
Most people buy a dog, put it in a cage, take it out once a day to walk it (if it's lucky, otherwise it gets let out in the yard) and hope the kids play with it.

The dog is bored, ignored, alone and generally feels valueless. Nicer dogs tend to withdraw and/or die young, but more attention-needy dogs tend to bark a lot until the neighbors poison them with antifreeze.

This is what I've seen in America's suburbs.
2012-11-14 08:39:10 AM  
6 votes:
A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.
I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?
2012-11-14 09:06:19 AM  
5 votes:

dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.


I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.
2012-11-14 08:40:36 AM  
5 votes:
My uncle's family had a dog that developed some sort of throat cancer/infection and had to have part of its voicebox removed. Poor thing sounded so pathetic when it tried to bark, I can't imagine anyone voluntarily doing that to an animal.
2012-11-14 09:11:09 AM  
4 votes:

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


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These work quite well and last for about a month. Then you clip the claws and re-apply. The cat gets to scratch, but nothing gets damaged. And anger swipes no longer hurt.
Plus look how pelased that cat is with her pretty pink nails.
2012-11-14 09:06:24 AM  
4 votes:
It's a dog. Dog's bark. If you don't like barking, don't get a dog.
2012-11-14 08:58:54 AM  
4 votes:
RubberBabyBuggyBumpers 2012-11-14 08:39:21 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

If you don't want your furniture destroyed, then don't get a farking cat and hack off the top joints of its paws.
2012-11-14 08:58:32 AM  
4 votes:
Csb time... while my wife and I were at work, someone tried to break in by picking the lock. Our dog barked so much and so annoyingly that our neighbor came out, caught the guy red handed. I would never take away our dog's ability to defend it's and my territory
2012-11-14 08:54:04 AM  
4 votes:

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


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2012-11-14 08:53:42 AM  
4 votes:
Here's a compromise: don't get a dog
2012-11-14 10:41:10 AM  
3 votes:

Carth: lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents

I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.


Edumucation time:

I use a shock collar routinely with my bluetick. Not for barking - even though he's a an extremely loud (100db) and lusty barker, I don't really care - but for breaking him off the wrong game. Believe it or not, it's impossible to stop an 80lb hunting dog when he decides to go after a deer without a shock collar - no way in hell will you will ever catch him and get him stopped.

Anyway, weight really has nothing to do with how the dog experiences the shock relative to how a human experiences a shock. It has more to do with the fact that the dog's skin has less water content than a human, since dogs don't have sweat pores. I can personally attest to the fact that a setting that makes ME yelp in pain (1.5 out of 5) merely makes my dog shake his head in annoyance. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt the dog, but that it doesn't hurt the dog nearly as much as it hurts a human on the same setting, regardless of the dog's weight.

That said, people that have to remove their dog's vocal cords shouldn't have a dog. I've seen mercifully few of these dogs - very strange to see a dog to through all the motions of barking with nothing coming out - and every time it's made me pretty angry.

Dogs bark. It's what they do. Get over it.
2012-11-14 10:18:10 AM  
3 votes:

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.
2012-11-14 10:08:03 AM  
3 votes:
Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.
2012-11-14 10:00:43 AM  
3 votes:

doubled99: gmoney101 Smartest
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2012-11-14 09:18:10 AM


MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!



He's right. it's no different. Chopping off body parts for your convenience.


Spaying or neutering is not for convenience, it's to cut down on rampant over population among dogs and cats. Declawing a cat is mutilating an animal because of one's concern for their furniture. My dad's wife has a declawed cat. It just lays there like a stuffed animal with no will to live. It's a horrible thing to do to an animal.
2012-11-14 09:45:53 AM  
3 votes:

MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.


You would if you had a male cat marking everything you own with the most foul smelling stuff imaginable!
2012-11-14 09:39:44 AM  
3 votes:
Uuuuuuuuh, I'd never do that to Bob Barker (aka the Prince of Barkness). The fact that his only major interest other than farting around, going for walks, playing, sleeping and eating is guarding our house is what makes him awesome and a contributing member of the household. That's his job, he's supposed to bark at things when they're in our front or backyard (it's an open concept condo and the backyard isn't completely fenced so I'm extra grateful for his efforts because if someone ever stole my green egg I'd probably die).

Sure, he's occasionally too diligent and will bark at something just going by but all I have to say, from any floor in the house, is "That's enough" and he stops and goes about his business. Why? Because he's trained. My boss wishes I'd show that kind of work ethic.

Christ, all the cat does is gripe about crap.
2012-11-14 09:18:45 AM  
3 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.


As someone who lived in Detroit for 50 years, where every other house has a big dog that lives outside most of the time, I can say there are times when it might be practical. In my old neighborhood, you could shut your car door and hear 20 dogs barking for the next 15 to 20 minutes. And sometimes you would have a neighbor whose dog would bark for HOURS without stopping. Do I feel sorry for the dogs? You bet! But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!

If I had a dog I would NEVER have that done, but I also would train my dog, care for it, not leave it alone for 14 hours at a stretch. Until someone fixes arseholes who own dogs, I cannot agree that it should be illegal.
2012-11-14 09:17:18 AM  
3 votes:
There is a somewhat more humane middle ground here - a bark collar. Basically its a week electric shock(adjustable) collar that either has a mic or some sort of sensors on the under side. My friends had a beagle, I wont spend the next two lines here explaining how much I hate that breed as a whole. What with there IQ that is hardly above a dead rat - wait you can train dead rats to do some useful things like sit and stehefffu. I know every dog does not a breed make either, my friends came with his wife. They now had a kid and lived in a duplex and its barking 22 hours was going to be tolerated. They tried taking away his triggers but it would not stay quiet for more then 30 min regardless. Now that i didn't just sit and whine myself for 5 minutes they tried this collar before they gave it away(the kid did like it). It seems to more or less have worked -- the dog will still bark occasionally w/ it on but its only for "major events" such as someone coming home or the tv is loud during football touchdown, doorbell rings etc.

Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents
2012-11-14 09:10:22 AM  
3 votes:

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


www.petexpertise.com
Fark that dude... shock collars are for pussies.
Positive re-enforcement FTW
2012-11-14 09:10:08 AM  
3 votes:
This should be illegal. Fark those people with a rusty pipe.

/doesn't really like dogs
2012-11-14 09:09:07 AM  
3 votes:
"Some people have a problem with this"

Yeah, we do. These selfish little coonts who get a dog or a can when they really don't like dogs or cats and then think they have some right to subject it to a surgical procedure to eliminate a normal behavior that annoys them, should have a great deal of pain inflicted upon them.
2012-11-14 08:54:19 AM  
3 votes:
I can't say I haven't considered it when my dog barks for no reason in the middle of the night; I could never do that to him though. It's his one way of communicating with us (except maybe tail wagging?), I don't want to take it away from him.

Why have a dog if you're going to take away one of the things that makes them a dog?
2012-11-14 08:49:04 AM  
3 votes:

lucksi: Devocalizing dogs is inhumane? Then what is living next to some constantly barking little poopfactories?

If I wouldn't own this condo, I'd have long since moved


Removing the bones in your inner ear might help.
2012-11-14 08:48:46 AM  
3 votes:
We were looking in to this. My neighbor is complaining about my dogs. They're just three doxies who learned to bark at everything. But I can't seem find a reputable vet who will cut out the vocal chords of my neighbor.

The one guy that I found wanted the patient's permission to perform the operations. I brought him in unconscious. Now you want me to wake him up. Chloroform doesn't grow on trees, Doc. The guy on Craigslist wasn't really a vet but agreed to make a house call. Too bad we were outside the range of his ankle bracelet.
2012-11-14 08:45:39 AM  
3 votes:

starlost: this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.


I have a Cocker Spaniel, and sometimes that seems like viable option, but I wouldn't do that, nor would I declaw my cats.
2012-11-14 08:29:45 AM  
3 votes:
Hard enough as it is for inter-species communication, why remove one of the few tools available for that from the poor animal?
2012-11-14 02:27:24 PM  
2 votes:
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."
-Groucho Marx.
2012-11-14 11:15:09 AM  
2 votes:

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.
2012-11-14 10:54:47 AM  
2 votes:

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


If any animal attacks a kid, it's time for that animal to go.
2012-11-14 10:13:48 AM  
2 votes:
Shouldn't vets have a Hippocratic oath equivalent to doctors? Do no harm? Of course plastic surgeons seem to ignore their oath so I guess it doesn't matter.
2012-11-14 09:51:48 AM  
2 votes:

TheGreatGazoo: As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.


move
2012-11-14 09:34:32 AM  
2 votes:

doubled99: gmoney101 Smartest
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2012-11-14 09:18:10 AM


MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!



He's right. it's no different. Chopping off body parts for your convenience.


Dogs are spayed/neutered because human ownership has caused their population to grow much larger than could be sustained naturally. As caregivers to both the animal and the local environment we have to balance the needs of the two. I wish things like vasectomies were more common/safer for dogs but too many vets still won't do them. Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.

De-clawing cats on the other hand is just because the owner finds it inconvenient.
2012-11-14 09:30:46 AM  
2 votes:

simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.


That's still not the cat's fault.
2012-11-14 09:29:20 AM  
2 votes:

Researcher:

Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.

This is beyond the pale for me.


I was just gonna say something similar to this. Outside of faithful company, I think one of the best reasons for getting a dog is for the alarm system feature, i.e. barking, whether in the home or on a dog trail.

There again, when an owner has a dog that barks incessantly because it's not disciplined/cared for/exercised enough, that feature becomes just as ineffective as if the owner were to remove the vocal chords. But I guess if the owner is the sort of selfish, callous human being who doesn't care about their pet's well being, and views them just as an accessory, then doing something as disgustingly awful as cutting out the vocal chords is par for the course.

What I find hard to stomach, too, is the fact that there are surgeons who are willingly doing this and who aren't saying, "Are you farking kidding me, you sick fark? Get out of my office." to these sick farks.
2012-11-14 09:25:15 AM  
2 votes:

lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents


I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.
2012-11-14 09:25:03 AM  
2 votes:
I swear, dog "parents" are worse than "snowflake" parents.
2012-11-14 09:20:18 AM  
2 votes:
So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?
2012-11-14 09:18:00 AM  
2 votes:
Better than having your neighbors poison it because it has driven them over the edge with it's ceaseless yapping.
2012-11-14 09:14:50 AM  
2 votes:

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


We tried on of those on the Cocker, a vibrating one not a shock collar. Took him about a month to adapt and ignore. Luckily, most of my neighbors have dogs. We pretty much ignore the Cocker when he barks. When the big boy, my mutant English Springer barks, it means something important is going on.
2012-11-14 09:13:11 AM  
2 votes:
Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.
2012-11-14 09:03:27 AM  
2 votes:

Researcher: Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.


I bet you think the "boy who cried wolf" was just the best shepherd evar
2012-11-14 09:03:02 AM  
2 votes:
I was at a random chick's house for the first time, watching the teev and shootin' the shiat, when I saw my first and only devocalised dog.

Dawg was outside but right next to a big bay window, and I'm all "Dog barking. No sound. Does not compute." She was straight up front with explaining that their dog barked too much, she didn't appear embarrassed or take the easy "my parents are evil, I can't believe what they did!" route.

I was a youngster, so my first reaction was ya typical "join the dots, I'm supposed to be outraged against this" outraged reaction. Thankfully I thought it on the inside, coz I watched the little champ for a while and he barked NON FARKING STOP until he moved out of view. A good 5 minutes. And the shiat he was barking at. Ants. Bark at them for 30 seconds. Oh look a flower moved. Bark at that for 30 seconds. What? Ants?! Bark at them for a minute solid. Hear a noise. Randomly bark at the clouds for 30 seconds. Ooh, a caterpillar! And on it went.

Then suddenly I'm all. "Ah, story checks out."

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OTOH, I've watched a lot of those TV dog trainer type shows, and I've seen these f@ckers solve some pretty seriously bad doggy behaviour. Can a barking dog ever get to a non-trainable state?

oi45.tinypic.com Most dog owners whose mutts get a guernsey on these "train my dog for me!" segments are SERIOUSLY thick and/or lazy.
2012-11-14 09:01:28 AM  
2 votes:

Kaymon: It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


This. I worked for a while in a a job that required me to try to get feuding neighbors to stop acting childish in disputes over fences, barking dogs, etc. This sometimes came up as one possible later-resort solution to the problem. I always said it seemed pretty cruel to me, but as one of my coworkers pointed out, "ask the dog which he would rather keep- his balls or his bark." I think it is a fair point...
2012-11-14 08:58:52 AM  
2 votes:
This has been going on for decades. Not sure why people are just now raising the banner to stop something so terrible.

In the early 90s my family took in an older puppy-mill Sheltie who had birthed probably a dozen litters. She had this done to her. She was probably one of the best dogs I'll ever have - not because of the surgery.

Always felt badly for her.
2012-11-14 08:44:54 AM  
2 votes:

Lunaville: Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


Sadly, because you cannot hunt them for sport.
2012-11-14 08:39:52 AM  
2 votes:
It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?
2012-11-14 08:38:46 AM  
2 votes:
We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.
2012-11-14 08:35:14 AM  
2 votes:
I think I'm going to have to join some people.
2012-11-14 08:34:54 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.
2012-11-15 12:57:02 AM  
1 votes:
My cat wails like a banshee when she gets put in the carrier to go to the vet. She made my wife cry once through volume and tone. When she's home she'll sometimes wander around at night and call out very loudly, just looking for dad. Sometimes, yes, I want her to be quiet when she wants to talk. I solve that problem by finding out what she wants, whether it's dinner, for me to clean her litter box out, playtime, or just some love. I'd never hurt her meowbox and certainly not because it inconvenienced me.

She's also a fully clawed and fully indoor cat. She scratches things she shouldn't, gets scolded and doesn't do it again for a few weeks (repeat process).

My in-laws adopted a sweet little black kitten and had her declawed within three months. I lost a lot of respect for them on that day. People who alter their pets because they're too lazy to train them or, you know, pay attention to them bother me.

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2012-11-14 04:38:16 PM  
1 votes:

nymersic: lolumadbro: beagle

Beagles generally fall among the smarter majority of dogs.

But dogs, of all breeds, are just like humans - some are brighter than others; some have difficulty learning; some have difficulty developing proper social behavior; some have difficulty taking orders; some love the sound of their own voice...
... some are just plain retarded.

Some are geniuses!


Distressed, borderline suicidal/caninecidal owner of an 18 month old beagle here. The dog is very smart...will dance in a circle on his hind legs on command, recognizes people on sight alone, i.e. looking through the window, as examples. The problem: zero, and I mean zero, impulse control. Whether it's barking, bolting the yard, stealing food, whatever. He knows he shouldn't and he knows he's going to be in trouble before he's even found out or told to stop. But he just can't help himself and after he gets scolded, he puts on the Snoopy face and he gets to live another day, because no one can be mad at Snoopy. And he knows it.
2012-11-14 04:10:53 PM  
1 votes:

crzybtch: had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger


I think I see your problem.
2012-11-14 03:27:27 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus Christ, the comments are a train wreck. 10 comments in and it turned into some BS about Obama.
2012-11-14 02:53:28 PM  
1 votes:

ChipNASA: You see, this is why Obamacare is going to threaten all of us. I heard they are going to have "devocalizing" panels that are going to make decisions about taking the bark from your fluffy little fido. It will make burglarizing your house easier and is part of Lord and Master's new wealth distribution plan. That and taking all our guns so we can't protect ourselves from the raping and pillaging hoards.
/seriously.
//hey at least I didn't call him Fartbongo


Heh. Dogs are property and legal to own. So are guns.
2012-11-14 01:31:48 PM  
1 votes:

KatjaMouse: cryinoutloud: Labs are so stupid, they will stand in a yard and bark mindlessly at nothing for hours. Oh, but they're great dogs!! Any dog that barks like that is not a "great dog", I don't care what kind of temperament it has.

Labs, man. The dumb blonde of the dog world.


I'll put Cocker Spaniels in competition for that title. Love sponges, but dumb as a box of rocks.
2012-11-14 01:23:06 PM  
1 votes:

Harry Freakstorm: We were looking in to this. My neighbor is complaining about my dogs. They're just three doxies who learned to bark at everything. But I can't seem find a reputable vet who will cut out the vocal chords of my neighbor.

The one guy that I found wanted the patient's permission to perform the operations. I brought him in unconscious. Now you want me to wake him up. Chloroform doesn't grow on trees, Doc. The guy on Craigslist wasn't really a vet but agreed to make a house call. Too bad we were outside the range of his ankle bracelet.


My favs list, welcome to it.
2012-11-14 01:11:37 PM  
1 votes:

freetomato: The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.


Huskies aren't much for barking. Neither are dogs like border collies and Australian shepherds. I've had three Aussies, none of them bark much at all. Even if a stranger comes to the door, all they do is bark a few times to alert you, then back off.

The worst dogs I've seen for barking are hound dogs (beagles and others) and Labs. Labs are so stupid, they will stand in a yard and bark mindlessly at nothing for hours. Oh, but they're great dogs!! Any dog that barks like that is not a "great dog", I don't care what kind of temperament it has. And hound dogs just love to bay. It's fun to listen to them out in the woods, but not so much when they live next door.

And yes, it is OK to neuter your dogs. They don't sit around and cry while cupping their genitals, like all you guys do because your mom had you circumcised when you were two days old. Because they don't think like us, see--the dog or cat doesn't sit around thinking about all that pussy he's missing because his owner mistreated him.

You people who are so proud of your dog's nuts are weird, anyway. Like the guy who has to take his un-neutered pit bull everywhere he goes to show what a bad ass he is.
2012-11-14 12:59:02 PM  
1 votes:

fluffy2097: If you can't get your dog to stop barking, It doesn't respect you and you probably shouldn't be owning a dog, because you clearly cannot train or control it.


There's a fine line between training a dog and breaking it. Sure, by the book, my dogs should follow me outside instead of leading. But they're bird dogs, bred for countless generations to run ahead and flush out birds. Should I break them of this habit?
Of course my dogs have each other, and don't really bark that much. But they live in a completely different sensory realm than we do, so I often don't know what they're responding to.
2012-11-14 12:26:15 PM  
1 votes:

Onkel Buck: sign


We taught our dogs to respond to hand signals.
2012-11-14 12:17:24 PM  
1 votes:

for good or for awesome: trappedspirit: It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.

You sound like my dog.


I'll just leave this: Link
2012-11-14 12:10:28 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


I don't know. My mom's torti probably would have benefited from being declawed. She's nine years old and still gets her claws caught in things. She sounds like velcro when she dashes at full speed across the carpet, too. (When she was a kitten she'd get a claw caught mid-dash and actually flip herself.) She's a smart cat otherwise, but I doubt she'll ever develop any claw sense. As she's agoraphobic, and 100% indoor cat, she might actually do better without her front claws.

But she still has hers, and continues to be a velcro kitty. C'est la vie.

With cats and declawing, I figure it's a case-by-case basis. But seriously, there's no reason to "devocalize" a dog unless it has some sort of throat cancer.
2012-11-14 11:54:03 AM  
1 votes:

shortymac: simplicimus: shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.

Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.

Scratch only appropriate areas.


OK, that only requires a spray bottle of water.
2012-11-14 11:51:30 AM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.

The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.


I found that having two dogs prevents the isolation, loneliness and boredom. They have nightly play time with each other. We call them seal fights, because there's a movement and barking but no damage done. On the otherhand, they're both Spaniels, so pretty much harmless, except for the vigorous sniffing and occasional licking.
2012-11-14 11:47:24 AM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.

Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.


Scratch only appropriate areas.
2012-11-14 11:31:05 AM  
1 votes:

Lollipop165: All of my indoor cats through out my life have had their front claws done as kittens during their neutering with no problems. Kittens are sore for about a day and then they act like it never happened. My only mistake was getting my older cat done, which I do regret. She was in a lot of pain and had complications. I won't ever do it to an older cat again.


I think the horror stories about how declawed cats are in pain come from people who had their cats declawed when they were older, probably because the cats were scratching their furniture. When done as a kitten, by a competent vet, there aren't any long term issues.

You *CAN* train a cat to use just the appropriate scratching posts, btw, just like you can train them to use the litter box. But you have to start young, and be consistent.
2012-11-14 11:25:58 AM  
1 votes:
It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.
2012-11-14 11:25:36 AM  
1 votes:

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


I see attempting to train him in any way is out of the question...
2012-11-14 11:21:16 AM  
1 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.


The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.

I have no problem seeing debarking banned. I'd also be alright requiring veterinarians to be properly trained and certified to do this specific operation so the practice doesn't get pushed underground. But can we also make it law that if you neglect your dog, you lose the dog and the privilege to ever own one again?
2012-11-14 11:20:07 AM  
1 votes:

shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.


Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.
2012-11-14 11:12:39 AM  
1 votes:
Wow, the derp in the comment section is insane!
2012-11-14 10:51:30 AM  
1 votes:

freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.


He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.
2012-11-14 10:51:12 AM  
1 votes:

I May Be Crazy But...: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.

Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?


Sure. Real Americans wear polyester Disco suits.
2012-11-14 10:48:11 AM  
1 votes:

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.


Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?
2012-11-14 10:32:27 AM  
1 votes:

simplicimus: El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.

No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.


So you crippled an animal to avoid some healing time.

Did you consider just getting a little set of claw clippers?

I've always just clipped my cats' claws (numerous cats, over the decades) when I brushed them. Works fine.
2012-11-14 10:20:01 AM  
1 votes:
I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.
2012-11-14 10:18:13 AM  
1 votes:

Tumunga: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Because even if you are able to watch your dog 100% of the time to prevent it from causing more unwanted dogs neuter/spaying still decreases the risk of cancer, causes your dog to live longer, and makes him less likely to run away. All of these things are benefits that you can't get through proper training like you can get a dog to stop barking. That is why Vets recommend neutering and not devocalizing.
2012-11-14 10:17:33 AM  
1 votes:

APE992: Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.


Yes, if either of our dogs start barking at all after 10 pm, we go outside to that dog immediately. The only time there is a delay is if we are sleeping and we have to wake-up first. One of us goes outside to see what the dog is barking at. We talk to the dog for a moment or so as in "Yes, that is a possum. I see the possum." Then we bring the dog in. If they head right back out to tell everyone about the raccoon or possum or whatever; we bring the dog in and close the pet door for the night.

The older dog has gotten so frail he rarely goes outside. When he was younger, he used to come into the bedroom in the middle of the night bark, whine, paw at me, and tug on my pajamas to wake me. When I was up, he would trot off, pausing repeatedly, to make sure I was following. He'd lead me outside to show me that nights' nocturnal visitor. He'd wag his tail and bark "Look Mom, Timmy is a roof rat." Even though it interrupted my sleep, I got a kick out of it. He barked little enough while outside the neighbors denied ever noticing this silliness was going on.
2012-11-14 10:10:32 AM  
1 votes:

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.


Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.
2012-11-14 10:09:15 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!


How do you make a cat go woof?
2012-11-14 10:00:56 AM  
1 votes:

Rostin: Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.

It sucks that the city moved in around you so to speak instead of you voluntarily moving into it, but I think that sounds like a wonderful policy. All dogs will occasionally bark, but 10 minutes is a long time, especially if it routinely occurs. I also think that bad pet owners can be like bad parents in that they find ways of rationalizing or ignoring the annoying misbehavior of their "children."


My dogs almost never bark, but I used to live next door to a pair of bassets that loved to bark. It was part of how they played outside. They were having a grand time and did me no harm. I can't imagine filing a complaint against my neighbor about that.
2012-11-14 09:53:04 AM  
1 votes:

doubled99:
That's why I had my dog's legs removed. It's much safer for him, really. Plus he's so easy to cuddle with now!


www.hrwiki.org
2012-11-14 09:46:48 AM  
1 votes:

Carth: lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents

I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.


probably, I cranked it up all the way where he has it on I think 1.5/5(i think) and also remember dogs have this thing called "fur" witch is rather good form insulation from such a device. Like i said he still barks here and there every 15-20 mins but he no longer constantly barks for 5m straight routinely. I sort of find it hard to believe if it nearly killed the dog he would keep on barking every 20 min.
2012-11-14 09:42:57 AM  
1 votes:

El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.


No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.
2012-11-14 09:42:37 AM  
1 votes:

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


People can say this kind of stuff all they want, but I don't care how much training some animals have, they are going to do certain things. I had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger and I spent hours/days/months trying to train her not to scratch furniture. I bought her every kind of scratching post imaginable and she never scratched when I was home. But when I was at work, she ruined every piece of furniture I owned! She even ruined the doors and the cupboards! People suggested to put nail caps on her. I tried, she chewed them all off the first day!

I have since had 3 rescued cats that were declawed by their former owners and I love that I don't have to worry about everything I owned getting shredded! And they still fake clawed everything to their hearts content. They all lived long, happy lives. And the crazy tabby I have now would have shredded everything I owned if she had not been declawed!

And in the apartment that I live in now, there is a very well mannered, well behaved West Highland White Terrier. He is just the perfect little dog. But when his owner is not home, he barks at everything! Including leaves that blow across the lawn! And once he starts barking, he does not stop for 15 to 20 minutes. So every squirrel, every person walking by, every person going to their apartment, every leaf that moves causes 15 minutes of furious barking.

Would I feel sorry for the dog if they nicked his vocal chords, sure. But who do I really feel sorry for, the neighbors to the right, to the left, above and below! I can hear him and I live two buildings away!
2012-11-14 09:40:47 AM  
1 votes:

Carth: Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.


Dogs that don't bark are less likely to end up poisoned by the neighbors...
2012-11-14 09:40:11 AM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?


And this is why I do not own pets. I'm an unapologetic meat eater, and I can't justify in my own mind killing some for food while treating others like almost-but-not-quite people, and yet also property. I grew up on a farm, and we owned dogs, but our style of pet ownership was pretty reminiscent of Old Yeller. As in, pets are nice companions, but there comes a time in a dog's life when you might have to put it down, and it's important to be a grown-up about it. I've changed in a lot of ways since moving away from home, going to college, working for a while, and then going to graduate school, but it's still very hard for me to respect people who don't seem to recognize that their unguarded emotional attachments to their pets, although completely understandable, are also foolish and misplaced. I've learned not to comment when one of my nutty "cityfolk" friends tries to raise $10K to pay for a surgery for her German Shepherd, but in my mind, I still think... it's time for you to own up to the fact that you've become way too emotionally invested in an animal, and that's causing you to make stupid decisions. It's time to let go.
2012-11-14 09:40:01 AM  
1 votes:

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


And every cat I've ever known has responded to a little demo on the approved scratching surfaces. "Hey, try scratching this instead!" *scritch scritch* Bam, they're trying it for themselves. Combine that introduction with the squirt bottle, and maybe some catnip rubbed on your scratching surface, and you'll quickly solve your scratching problems.
2012-11-14 09:30:49 AM  
1 votes:

GORDON: I don't need an animal to give me a facsimile of love and affection, and I am a light sleeper with asshole neighbors who put their big dogs out overnight in the winter so I get to listen to the dog equivalent of, "I'm cold! I'm cold!" all night.

Silence them, one way or another.


I hate when people neglect their dogs asking to be let back in. Had that at an old house - guy would let his dog out at 5am, then leave it there until 8am, regardless of the fact that it barked continuously.

I never did this, but they do make little ultrasonic bark deterrents you can hang on your fence. When it detects a bark it emits an unpleasant sound the dogs can hear. They work better if there's carrot with the stick, though, so without the owner's cooperation, you'd have to commit to throwing treats over the fence when they're being extra quiet, too.
2012-11-14 09:24:45 AM  
1 votes:

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


There's this thing called a squirt bottle. Apply water from squirt bottle to scratching cats. Problem solved without amputating anything.

And then they can still act as an indoor mouser when needed.
2012-11-14 09:24:23 AM  
1 votes:

WhippingBoy: So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?


i.thestreet.com
2012-11-14 09:21:05 AM  
1 votes:
If you don't like your dog yapping all the time don't buy a yappy little dust mop
2012-11-14 09:17:25 AM  
1 votes:
My friend who taught English in South Korea tells me this is standard practice there, as most apartment blocks (ie where the majority of the population lives) won't let you have a dog unless it can't bark.

Personally I reckon if you are in a situation like that don't get a dog, but no one ever asks me about these things.
2012-11-14 09:16:20 AM  
1 votes:
that comment section is full of off the chart derp. the gopers and tea baggers are in full and complete meltdown. they want to rip out liberals voice boxes or better yet kill them all. what a bunch of mentally ill fark nuts.
2012-11-14 09:08:19 AM  
1 votes:
My dog can shake. Teaching him sign language should be pretty easy
2012-11-14 09:05:28 AM  
1 votes:

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.


It sucks that the city moved in around you so to speak instead of you voluntarily moving into it, but I think that sounds like a wonderful policy. All dogs will occasionally bark, but 10 minutes is a long time, especially if it routinely occurs. I also think that bad pet owners can be like bad parents in that they find ways of rationalizing or ignoring the annoying misbehavior of their "children."
2012-11-14 09:03:26 AM  
1 votes:
Neighbor across the street had a terrier that would bark for hours if there was a few minutes of silence interrupted by noise, like a car driving by at 10pm.

About 4 months ago, she backed over it with her car. I almost found religion that day, such fortune.

/why do people think it's totally cool to have dogs like that?
2012-11-14 09:02:44 AM  
1 votes:
My question is...can we do this to kids if something is inconvenient or annoying to us???

/same difference.
2012-11-14 08:59:38 AM  
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Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.
2012-11-14 08:59:17 AM  
1 votes:
"Barking is normal behavior for dogs"
So is WALKING. So quit carrying your farkin little precious rat dog like a handbag, Paris Hilton
2012-11-14 08:58:27 AM  
1 votes:

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


There should be times of day you can annoy the shiat out of yoru neighbors for more than ten minutes at a time?

The reason laws lieki this get passed is because there are too many asshats who can't take care of their dogs.
2012-11-14 08:48:43 AM  
1 votes:
This complete ruins the story of Sherlock Holmes in Silver Blaze.
2012-11-14 08:46:36 AM  
1 votes:

ChipNASA


In Before someone else posts :

/wait, if you say "in before" but then post something relevant, isn't that at the same time so it can't be "in before" so you fail??


You answered your own question: when you say "in before [whatever]", the "someone else" is implied.
2012-11-14 08:44:55 AM  
1 votes:

RatMaster999: Can we do this to children, too?


No, we should get to hear children scream in pain when their anti-bark collar shocks them.
2012-11-14 08:38:46 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-11-14 08:36:06 AM  
1 votes:
how are they gonna ask for steak?
2012-11-14 08:35:20 AM  
1 votes:
If you train your dog to bark, you can then train it not to bark.
/got nothin
2012-11-14 08:34:44 AM  
1 votes:
this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.
 
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