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(CBS DC)   Dog owners are "devocalizing" their dogs to curtail the pets from barking. Some people have a problem with this   (washington.cbslocal.com) divider line 268
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2012-11-14 06:40:02 PM  
Me, I have the best (or the worst, depending on your viewpoint) of both worlds--a 14lb (all muscle, of note, NOT overweight) Siamese mix who is not declawed, occasionally forgets to let go of the carpet when attempting to get the Red Dot (and loses general claw sense when playing with toys, though fortunately not with humans), took some work to get her to scratch appropriate places (she's one of those cats that prefers the feel of sisal and carpet to bark and the usual disposable scratching posts), AND is incredibly vocal (to the point she is sometimes reminded "Callate la boca, gata" if she's being particularly obnoxious--especially if food, skitchies, or play do not solve the obnoxiousness).

Oh, and I'm also firmly convinced she thinks she is a dog and the kitteh DOES attempt to bark and howl. :D We joke that she was somehow raised by wolves for the eight weeks before we got her, silly puppy-cat :D

And I would STILL never think of declawing or de-meowing her. I live with it, it's part of what makes her, well, our little derpy cat. At most she'd get the Soft Paws, but fortunately she's good with us trimming her nails and likes carpeted cat trees more than the furniture, especially when said cat tree is impregnated with catnip. :D The meowing...I live with, and occasionally engage her in conversation, because sometimes I'm convinced that she just has something she REALLY wants to get off her chest :D

(I do wish our Maine Coon rescue was as good with getting her claws trimmed, but at least she doesn't trip over her own feet when trying to get the Red Dot and REALLY takes well to the Emery Cat things as well as the aforementioned Cat(nip) Tree. Yes, we trained both kitties from their kitty youth that the furniture is Not Acceptable Claim-For-Cat-By-Scratching-It material. :D)
 
2012-11-14 07:24:55 PM  

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


No, it still sucks and IMO cruel. I volunteer at a rescue and we get several cats back each year because they started going outside of the litterbox. In about 95% of the cases, Fluffy was just declawed.

Don't think I would be too keen on pawing around rough gravel and rocks after chopping the tips of my fingers off either :(
 
2012-11-14 07:31:21 PM  

HeartBurnKid: dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.

I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.


Some of it might be nerve pain. Declawing also messes with the tendons and ligaments at the end of their "fingers" so lots of times, it can affect how they walk and put pressure on their feet. It might not be pain at the amputation site but he might be reacting to scar tissue and what not pulling on the muscles in this forearm.

Think of it like having your leg in a cast. Can throw your whole posture and gait off and makes everything else hurt.
 
2012-11-14 07:34:10 PM  

MythDragon: Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.

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These work quite well and last for about a month. Then you clip the claws and re-apply. The cat gets to scratch, but nothing gets damaged. And anger swipes no longer hurt.
Plus look how pelased that cat is with her pretty pink nails.


These things are AWESOME! I used them on my cat when I was in college (landlord had a declaw policy but let me use these because he was curious as well). I could usually get them to last about 6 weeks each time on her (and she was still a kitten to young adult at the time so they took a beating). I stopped using them when I moved back home. The weird thing is, she was so used to them being on that even now, she doesn't extend her claws when stretching on the furniture. Its almost like habit or something......
 
2012-11-14 09:24:19 PM  

NephilimNexus: Ok so deliberately using selective breeding to turn this...

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Into this...

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... is fine, but using surgery on an annoying dog so that it doesn't keep the entire neighborhood awake at 3am is considered unacceptable?

You people are screwed up.


When you put it that way, the "devocalization" surgery is just adding injury to insult.

And seriously, why do people do stuff like dye their poodles? They're one of the smartest dog breeds out there, and they're made to look like idiots.
 
2012-11-14 10:12:14 PM  
ruff ruff ruff ,,, *sigh*
 
2012-11-14 10:23:01 PM  

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Really, really sad episode.
 
2012-11-14 10:27:28 PM  
Dogs are easily trained not to bark annoyingly.

To do so, you have to be smarter than your dog.
 
2012-11-14 10:49:25 PM  
Have people never heard of training. It took me all of a week to stop my dog's excessive barking. She still barks when someone comes to the door because I want her to do that.
 
2012-11-14 11:20:23 PM  
Karma Curmudgeon: Distressed, borderline suicidal/caninecidal owner of an 18 month old beagle here. The dog is very smart...will dance in a circle on his hind legs on command, recognizes people on sight alone, i.e. looking through the window, as examples. The problem: zero, and I mean zero, impulse control. Whether it's barking, bolting the yard, stealing food, whatever. He knows he shouldn't and he knows he's going to be in trouble before he's even found out or told to stop. But he just can't help himself and after he gets scolded, he puts on the Snoopy face and he gets to live another day, because no one can be mad at Snoopy. And he knows it.

I can tell you how to train your dog to stop those unwanted behaviors. If you're still reading this thread, respond to this post and I'll explain the method.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:56 AM  
These people deserve jail time for animal cruelty. If I ever found out of anyone doing this I knew I'd curb stomp their throat. This is even far worse than declawing a cat. By leaps and bounds. What the hell is wrong with people?
 
2012-11-15 12:57:02 AM  
My cat wails like a banshee when she gets put in the carrier to go to the vet. She made my wife cry once through volume and tone. When she's home she'll sometimes wander around at night and call out very loudly, just looking for dad. Sometimes, yes, I want her to be quiet when she wants to talk. I solve that problem by finding out what she wants, whether it's dinner, for me to clean her litter box out, playtime, or just some love. I'd never hurt her meowbox and certainly not because it inconvenienced me.

She's also a fully clawed and fully indoor cat. She scratches things she shouldn't, gets scolded and doesn't do it again for a few weeks (repeat process).

My in-laws adopted a sweet little black kitten and had her declawed within three months. I lost a lot of respect for them on that day. People who alter their pets because they're too lazy to train them or, you know, pay attention to them bother me.

(CSB)
 
2012-11-15 03:29:02 AM  
250 + comments and no one pointed out that his bite is now worse than his bark?

I have a 90lb Mastiff/Boxer and live in Chicago. His bark could save my arse .
 
2012-11-15 04:15:31 AM  

rkelley25: 250 + comments and no one pointed out that his bite is now worse than his bark?

I have a 90lb Mastiff/Boxer and live in Chicago. His bark could save my arse .


I have an 80 lb English and a 30 lb Cocker Spaniel. The only reason they bark at strangers is because they didn't get the opportunity to sniff them. But the noise is enough is enough to scare strangers off.
 
2012-11-15 05:23:24 AM  
I don't care why your dog is barking- it just pisses me off. I've had neighbors with dogs around me for over twenty years, and they bark almost every day. I've lost track of how many times I've called the police, because the problem rarely ends on the first visit. For some reason, most dog owners just don't care that their precious little bundle of fur is annoying the crap out of their neighbors. Why this constant barking doesn't bother THEM is beyond my comprehension.
 
2012-11-15 09:14:35 AM  
moar basset hound pictures you bastards!!!
 
2012-11-15 09:24:45 AM  

Liese: crzybtch: had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger

I think I see your problem.


hahaha and she was the runt of the litter too, could fit one hand. She never got over 6.5 pounds, but she was a cuddly baby one minute and a crazed crackhead the next. Smart too. She NEVER clawed furniture when I wasn't home, but obviously spent a good part of the day shredding everything I own while I was at work. When I would trim her nails short she would use her teeth.

And once she got a good hole going she would start pulling stuffing. One time I came home to about a thousand little white balls all over the place and all over her....never did get another bean bag chair after that.

But the thing was that she was cute as hell and funny too. When you talked to her she would meow back like she was having a conversation. She fetched toys like a dog. No insect lived more than 10 minutes in the house. She always knew if I was sad or mad about something and would crawl up on my lap and look me in the eye and meow with a question mark on the end. She would growl like a dog if someone was in the yard or at the door. I miss her a lot. She would have been the PERFECT cat if she had been declawed. lol
 
2012-11-15 09:14:14 PM  
Could y'all with kids please de-vocalize them, too? Or do I have to do it?
 
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