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(CBS DC)   Dog owners are "devocalizing" their dogs to curtail the pets from barking. Some people have a problem with this   (washington.cbslocal.com) divider line 268
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2012-11-14 10:08:03 AM  
Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:15 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!


How do you make a cat go woof?
 
2012-11-14 10:10:32 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.


Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:48 AM  

HailRobonia: mcwehrle: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

No, no it's not.

I'm generally against declawing cats, but look, sometimes there are two options: Declaw a cat, or get rid of a cat. I'd rather see Mr. Wiggles getting a home rather than keeping his claws.


And I agree.....I know that sometimes it IS an "either/or" situation. Rather than dumping/killing/taking them to a shelter (where they will be killed), I would go with declawing too. I would have agony over it, but I could mitigate it with exactly what you said. Mittens either gets declawed or gets killed. Mittens deserves to live.

I didn't mean to sound like a militant no declawer. It's not right as a rule, but I can see times it's the last option and you have to take it.

/has 3
//all came to me declawed
///no problems with their feet at all
 
2012-11-14 10:13:19 AM  
fark I hate barking dogs and I hate the owners of barking dogs. I had to get the city involved with a neighbor whose dog barked constantly and ended up taking them to court. Is it the dogs fault? Maybe. Some dogs are just stupid. Some owners are just stupid. If they can't control the dog cut out the barker. No big deal, you probably have already cut off his nuts.
 
2012-11-14 10:13:48 AM  
Shouldn't vets have a Hippocratic oath equivalent to doctors? Do no harm? Of course plastic surgeons seem to ignore their oath so I guess it doesn't matter.
 
2012-11-14 10:17:33 AM  

APE992: Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.


Yes, if either of our dogs start barking at all after 10 pm, we go outside to that dog immediately. The only time there is a delay is if we are sleeping and we have to wake-up first. One of us goes outside to see what the dog is barking at. We talk to the dog for a moment or so as in "Yes, that is a possum. I see the possum." Then we bring the dog in. If they head right back out to tell everyone about the raccoon or possum or whatever; we bring the dog in and close the pet door for the night.

The older dog has gotten so frail he rarely goes outside. When he was younger, he used to come into the bedroom in the middle of the night bark, whine, paw at me, and tug on my pajamas to wake me. When I was up, he would trot off, pausing repeatedly, to make sure I was following. He'd lead me outside to show me that nights' nocturnal visitor. He'd wag his tail and bark "Look Mom, Timmy is a roof rat." Even though it interrupted my sleep, I got a kick out of it. He barked little enough while outside the neighbors denied ever noticing this silliness was going on.
 
2012-11-14 10:18:10 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.
 
2012-11-14 10:18:13 AM  

Tumunga: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Because even if you are able to watch your dog 100% of the time to prevent it from causing more unwanted dogs neuter/spaying still decreases the risk of cancer, causes your dog to live longer, and makes him less likely to run away. All of these things are benefits that you can't get through proper training like you can get a dog to stop barking. That is why Vets recommend neutering and not devocalizing.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:19 AM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

There's this thing called a squirt bottle. Apply water from squirt bottle to scratching cats. Problem solved without amputating anything.

And then they can still act as an indoor mouser when needed.


I have five cats and two dogs, all pound or strays, all indoor animals.

Our best mouser is a declawed semi-long hair cat (she came that way).

Our second best is the chihuahua/whatever mix.
 
2012-11-14 10:20:01 AM  
I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.
 
2012-11-14 10:22:06 AM  

probesport: I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.


There are ton of people in this thread who are trying to figure out a way to hate you for that, and it's driving them crazy that they can't.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:12 AM  

Mugato: My dad's wife has a declawed cat. It just lays there like a stuffed animal with no will to live. It's a horrible thing to do to an animal.


This was Sunnylakes Loki:

i45.tinypic.com

He was declawed as a kitten, then neutered, and he acted like a kitten all his life, right up until a month or two before he died.

The cat on the left of this picture is Champion Mountcascade's Starlight, or "Tar-tar" for short:

i50.tinypic.com

She is not declawed, and she pretty much fits the same description as your dad's wife's cat. She was spayed after she had a litter.

Loki and Starlight are cousins, btw.

The cat on the right is Freya, and she *IS* declawed, and was spayed before she came into heat. She still acts like a kitten. 

This is Persian Artistry's Deucalion:

i49.tinypic.com

He is not declawed, nor will he be, at the request of the breeder (same goes for Tar-tar, btw, who was too old to have it done anyway when we got her). 

I suspect that Deucalion will continue to act like a kitten all his life, not because he won't be declawed, but because we are having him neutered before he reaches full maturity.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:27 AM  

simplicimus: El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.

No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.


So you crippled an animal to avoid some healing time.

Did you consider just getting a little set of claw clippers?

I've always just clipped my cats' claws (numerous cats, over the decades) when I brushed them. Works fine.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:28 AM  

The Muthaship: probesport: I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.

There are ton of people in this thread who are trying to figure out a way to hate you for that, and it's driving them crazy that they can't.


Well, there are variables to consider. I already explained why my Mom's cat needed to be declawed. My two cats get to spend time outside around the house and have plenty of trees to sharpen their claws on, so not much of a problem when they're inside.
 
2012-11-14 10:33:40 AM  

Tumunga: A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Even ignoring the health benefits associated with spaying and neutering, which would you prefer: to keep your balls knowing that you'll never ever get to use them your entire life because someone would be constantly cock-blocking you, or just give them up so you no longer worried about sex you were never going to have anyway?
 
2012-11-14 10:35:39 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Tumunga: A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.

Even ignoring the health benefits associated with spaying and neutering, which would you prefer: to keep your balls knowing that you'll never ever get to use them your entire life because someone would be constantly cock-blocking you, or just give them up so you no longer worried about sex you were never going to have anyway?


What, you mean like getting married?
 
2012-11-14 10:36:18 AM  
Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.
 
2012-11-14 10:41:10 AM  

Carth: lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents

I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.


Edumucation time:

I use a shock collar routinely with my bluetick. Not for barking - even though he's a an extremely loud (100db) and lusty barker, I don't really care - but for breaking him off the wrong game. Believe it or not, it's impossible to stop an 80lb hunting dog when he decides to go after a deer without a shock collar - no way in hell will you will ever catch him and get him stopped.

Anyway, weight really has nothing to do with how the dog experiences the shock relative to how a human experiences a shock. It has more to do with the fact that the dog's skin has less water content than a human, since dogs don't have sweat pores. I can personally attest to the fact that a setting that makes ME yelp in pain (1.5 out of 5) merely makes my dog shake his head in annoyance. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt the dog, but that it doesn't hurt the dog nearly as much as it hurts a human on the same setting, regardless of the dog's weight.

That said, people that have to remove their dog's vocal cords shouldn't have a dog. I've seen mercifully few of these dogs - very strange to see a dog to through all the motions of barking with nothing coming out - and every time it's made me pretty angry.

Dogs bark. It's what they do. Get over it.
 
2012-11-14 10:42:01 AM  

StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.


Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.
 
2012-11-14 10:43:08 AM  

crzybtch: Kaymon
You need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.

I need to borrow that line if you don't mind. That could seriously come in handy where I work.


Royalties are to be paid to Matt Groening
www.contraditorium.com
 
2012-11-14 10:48:11 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.


Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?
 
2012-11-14 10:50:42 AM  

Tumunga: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Right. Abstinence training works on teenagers, too.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:12 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.

Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?


Sure. Real Americans wear polyester Disco suits.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:30 AM  

freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.


He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:41 AM  

dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.


I have noticed behavioral differences. I had a cat declawed by my ex (got out before she declawed me). The cat would not let you touch it's paws. My current beclawed fur-covereds love paw massages.
 
2012-11-14 10:52:52 AM  
Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.
 
2012-11-14 10:53:23 AM  

Big Ramifications: Jon iz teh kewl: but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!

How do you make a cat go woof?


oh long johnson
 
2012-11-14 10:54:36 AM  

AcneVulgaris: freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.

He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.


They would probably bark at you too, zitface.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:47 AM  

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


If any animal attacks a kid, it's time for that animal to go.
 
2012-11-14 10:57:48 AM  
I really don't see a problem with this; as pointed out above we modify animals to our needs all the time and few people care. Interestingly enough, I know of many people who have used this procedure on yappy dogs for many years without any major issues.
 
2012-11-14 10:59:31 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.


My dogs bark when something important happens, like when someone comes to the door, or a neighbor opens a car door, or when there's a squirrel. Sometimes, all the dogs in the neighbor band together to bark/howl at something. Otherwise, they're pretty laid back.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:33 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.

Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?


Oops. Hemp. I meant hemp.
 
2012-11-14 11:06:38 AM  

GoldSpider: jakrabit: We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.

You must live in the townhouse a few units down from me.


The wife has been working with her since we got her... About a year and a half. She's much better. Except at 3 am when an owl farts.

If you hear "LOU, SHUT THE FARK UP", occasionally, then we're neighbors.
 
2012-11-14 11:07:49 AM  
"I'd rather see Mr. Wiggles getting a home rather than keeping his claws."

Agreed. Some out there are a little too militant in their condemnation of declawing cats. The fact is that if my then kitten hadn't been declawed she never would have left the animal shelter. That shelter was badly overcrowded, so she would have very likely lived her entire life in that miserable place. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was a kill shelter.

Declawing cats saves their lives.

These stories about painful walking probably have a basis in truth, but my cat has run around playfully all her life with no indication she's suffering. I think this has a lot to do with the skill of the person chopping off the parts of her paws.
 
2012-11-14 11:08:39 AM  
If you are unable to train your dog to not bark at every little thing it sees, it means that you are not cut own to own a dog, not that the dog needs to be "repaired."
 
2012-11-14 11:10:08 AM  

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


This. It takes all of ten minutes to clip my cat's nails. And scratching posts are cheap.
 
2012-11-14 11:10:31 AM  
I know someone who owns a partially declawed cat; the front claws were removed. So the cat learned to do a ninja jump-double-kick with its hind legs when it want to fark something up.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:29 AM  
I used to volunteer with a cat rescue and the head of it was a wealthy widow in her early 50s who lived in a gorgeous house. She was def not the regular "crazy cat lady". She was probably fostering 25 or so cats at any time in her house. This was for indoor cats. I went over to pick up a litter to foster at my home and we had a discussion about declawing. Although she never made her views publicly known (there were some crazy cat people in the group), we both fully supported it.

The fact is, a declawed cat is most likely to get adopted. If the options are declawing or euthanization, I'm sure the cat would be okay with declawing.

All of my indoor cats through out my life have had their front claws done as kittens during their neutering with no problems. Kittens are sore for about a day and then they act like it never happened. My only mistake was getting my older cat done, which I do regret. She was in a lot of pain and had complications. I won't ever do it to an older cat again.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:39 AM  
Wow, the derp in the comment section is insane!
 
2012-11-14 11:15:09 AM  

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.
 
2012-11-14 11:19:48 AM  

crzybtch: But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!


I've lived right next door to people who kept their large dogs outdoors all the time, and those dogs barked constantly.

That is just as much a failure on the part of its owner as debarking the damn thing would have been.
 
2012-11-14 11:20:07 AM  

shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.


Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.
 
2012-11-14 11:21:16 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.


The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.

I have no problem seeing debarking banned. I'd also be alright requiring veterinarians to be properly trained and certified to do this specific operation so the practice doesn't get pushed underground. But can we also make it law that if you neglect your dog, you lose the dog and the privilege to ever own one again?
 
2012-11-14 11:22:30 AM  

shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.


And if you try that, consistently, as recommended by a vet, and don't cut corners, and do it as well as you can... and your cat's personality is such that he or she just won't adapt?

I know I know... if you weren't willing to have your house destroyed you never should've adopted a cat that a desperate friend pleaded with you to adopt. I know I know.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:30 AM  

Dinjiin: The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.


That may sometimes be the problem, but there are some dogs with psych issues that will cause them to bark incessantly. Many times, that is the case for smaller dogs especially.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:36 AM  

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


I see attempting to train him in any way is out of the question...
 
2012-11-14 11:25:58 AM  
It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.
 
2012-11-14 11:26:34 AM  

chachi88: I have noticed behavioral differences. I had a cat declawed by my ex (got out before she declawed me). The cat would not let you touch it's paws. My current beclawed fur-covereds love paw massages.


I haven't noticed any differences, and we "paw play" with all the cats.
 
2012-11-14 11:30:57 AM  

ChipNASA: In Before someone else posts :

[img.ffffound.com image 298x398]

/wait, if you say "in before" but then post something relevant, isn't that at the same time so it can't be "in before" so you fail??


I love that cartoon. I hear it every time my dog barks, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!"
 
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