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2012-11-14 08:58:18 AM
Removing the vocal cords, like declawing a cat, is only removing the annoyance of your failure to properly train the animal, and your failure to properly provide for it.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:27 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


There should be times of day you can annoy the shiat out of yoru neighbors for more than ten minutes at a time?

The reason laws lieki this get passed is because there are too many asshats who can't take care of their dogs.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:32 AM
Csb time... while my wife and I were at work, someone tried to break in by picking the lock. Our dog barked so much and so annoyingly that our neighbor came out, caught the guy red handed. I would never take away our dog's ability to defend it's and my territory
 
2012-11-14 08:58:48 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.


You need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:52 AM
This has been going on for decades. Not sure why people are just now raising the banner to stop something so terrible.

In the early 90s my family took in an older puppy-mill Sheltie who had birthed probably a dozen litters. She had this done to her. She was probably one of the best dogs I'll ever have - not because of the surgery.

Always felt badly for her.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:54 AM
RubberBabyBuggyBumpers 2012-11-14 08:39:21 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

If you don't want your furniture destroyed, then don't get a farking cat and hack off the top joints of its paws.
 
2012-11-14 08:59:15 AM
Dear, sh*t for brains pet owners.

They're not stuffed animals. They eat, sh*t, piss, and bark and they need attention and exercise.

They have nerve endings, memories, feelings and are astoundingly loyal when well treated. They are not boo boo kitty plushies that you sit on a shelf in your bedroom.

And if this is how you view your pets, as inconveniences, for God's SAKE don't reproduce.
 
2012-11-14 08:59:17 AM
"Barking is normal behavior for dogs"
So is WALKING. So quit carrying your farkin little precious rat dog like a handbag, Paris Hilton
 
2012-11-14 08:59:38 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.
 
2012-11-14 09:01:28 AM

Kaymon: It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


This. I worked for a while in a a job that required me to try to get feuding neighbors to stop acting childish in disputes over fences, barking dogs, etc. This sometimes came up as one possible later-resort solution to the problem. I always said it seemed pretty cruel to me, but as one of my coworkers pointed out, "ask the dog which he would rather keep- his balls or his bark." I think it is a fair point...
 
2012-11-14 09:02:37 AM

starlost: this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.


A cockel spanish eh? Latino dog with large junk?
 
2012-11-14 09:02:44 AM
My question is...can we do this to kids if something is inconvenient or annoying to us???

/same difference.
 
2012-11-14 09:02:57 AM
There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:02 AM
I was at a random chick's house for the first time, watching the teev and shootin' the shiat, when I saw my first and only devocalised dog.

Dawg was outside but right next to a big bay window, and I'm all "Dog barking. No sound. Does not compute." She was straight up front with explaining that their dog barked too much, she didn't appear embarrassed or take the easy "my parents are evil, I can't believe what they did!" route.

I was a youngster, so my first reaction was ya typical "join the dots, I'm supposed to be outraged against this" outraged reaction. Thankfully I thought it on the inside, coz I watched the little champ for a while and he barked NON FARKING STOP until he moved out of view. A good 5 minutes. And the shiat he was barking at. Ants. Bark at them for 30 seconds. Oh look a flower moved. Bark at that for 30 seconds. What? Ants?! Bark at them for a minute solid. Hear a noise. Randomly bark at the clouds for 30 seconds. Ooh, a caterpillar! And on it went.

Then suddenly I'm all. "Ah, story checks out."

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OTOH, I've watched a lot of those TV dog trainer type shows, and I've seen these f@ckers solve some pretty seriously bad doggy behaviour. Can a barking dog ever get to a non-trainable state?

oi45.tinypic.com Most dog owners whose mutts get a guernsey on these "train my dog for me!" segments are SERIOUSLY thick and/or lazy.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:26 AM
Neighbor across the street had a terrier that would bark for hours if there was a few minutes of silence interrupted by noise, like a car driving by at 10pm.

About 4 months ago, she backed over it with her car. I almost found religion that day, such fortune.

/why do people think it's totally cool to have dogs like that?
 
2012-11-14 09:03:26 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:27 AM

Researcher: Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.


I bet you think the "boy who cried wolf" was just the best shepherd evar
 
2012-11-14 09:05:11 AM
Call me when they destink and detooth them as well.
 
2012-11-14 09:05:28 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.


It sucks that the city moved in around you so to speak instead of you voluntarily moving into it, but I think that sounds like a wonderful policy. All dogs will occasionally bark, but 10 minutes is a long time, especially if it routinely occurs. I also think that bad pet owners can be like bad parents in that they find ways of rationalizing or ignoring the annoying misbehavior of their "children."
 
2012-11-14 09:06:15 AM
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/better not be obscure
 
2012-11-14 09:06:19 AM

dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.


I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:23 AM
Is the same as having vocal cords "scraped"?
 
2012-11-14 09:06:24 AM
It's a dog. Dog's bark. If you don't like barking, don't get a dog.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:48 AM
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worth the money
 
2012-11-14 09:08:19 AM
My dog can shake. Teaching him sign language should be pretty easy
 
2012-11-14 09:09:07 AM
"Some people have a problem with this"

Yeah, we do. These selfish little coonts who get a dog or a can when they really don't like dogs or cats and then think they have some right to subject it to a surgical procedure to eliminate a normal behavior that annoys them, should have a great deal of pain inflicted upon them.
 
2012-11-14 09:10:08 AM
This should be illegal. Fark those people with a rusty pipe.

/doesn't really like dogs
 
2012-11-14 09:10:22 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


www.petexpertise.com
Fark that dude... shock collars are for pussies.
Positive re-enforcement FTW
 
2012-11-14 09:10:28 AM

JackieRabbit: "Some people have a problem with this"

Yeah, we do. These selfish little coonts who get a dog or a can when they really don't like dogs or cats and then think they have some right to subject it to a surgical procedure to eliminate a normal behavior that annoys them, should have a great deal of pain inflicted upon them.


So you are against spaying and neutering?
 
2012-11-14 09:11:09 AM

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


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These work quite well and last for about a month. Then you clip the claws and re-apply. The cat gets to scratch, but nothing gets damaged. And anger swipes no longer hurt.
Plus look how pelased that cat is with her pretty pink nails.
 
2012-11-14 09:12:42 AM

El Brujo: This should be illegal


I believe it is in some areas. Not for humanitarian reasons, but for officer safety.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:11 AM
Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:59 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


Yep, but make sure you don't buy one with proprietary batteries. Still, after getting popped just 2 or 3 times, my little dachshund stopped barking while wearing the collar and the batteries have been dead for months.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:06 AM
God I wish it were legal to do this to some people.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:36 AM

jakrabit: We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.


You must live in the townhouse a few units down from me.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:50 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


We tried on of those on the Cocker, a vibrating one not a shock collar. Took him about a month to adapt and ignore. Luckily, most of my neighbors have dogs. We pretty much ignore the Cocker when he barks. When the big boy, my mutant English Springer barks, it means something important is going on.
 
2012-11-14 09:16:20 AM
that comment section is full of off the chart derp. the gopers and tea baggers are in full and complete meltdown. they want to rip out liberals voice boxes or better yet kill them all. what a bunch of mentally ill fark nuts.
 
2012-11-14 09:17:18 AM
There is a somewhat more humane middle ground here - a bark collar. Basically its a week electric shock(adjustable) collar that either has a mic or some sort of sensors on the under side. My friends had a beagle, I wont spend the next two lines here explaining how much I hate that breed as a whole. What with there IQ that is hardly above a dead rat - wait you can train dead rats to do some useful things like sit and stehefffu. I know every dog does not a breed make either, my friends came with his wife. They now had a kid and lived in a duplex and its barking 22 hours was going to be tolerated. They tried taking away his triggers but it would not stay quiet for more then 30 min regardless. Now that i didn't just sit and whine myself for 5 minutes they tried this collar before they gave it away(the kid did like it). It seems to more or less have worked -- the dog will still bark occasionally w/ it on but its only for "major events" such as someone coming home or the tv is loud during football touchdown, doorbell rings etc.

Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents
 
2012-11-14 09:17:25 AM
My friend who taught English in South Korea tells me this is standard practice there, as most apartment blocks (ie where the majority of the population lives) won't let you have a dog unless it can't bark.

Personally I reckon if you are in a situation like that don't get a dog, but no one ever asks me about these things.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:00 AM
Better than having your neighbors poison it because it has driven them over the edge with it's ceaseless yapping.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:10 AM

MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.


That's because you are a farking dunce!
 
2012-11-14 09:18:45 AM

TheGreatGazoo: As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.


As someone who lived in Detroit for 50 years, where every other house has a big dog that lives outside most of the time, I can say there are times when it might be practical. In my old neighborhood, you could shut your car door and hear 20 dogs barking for the next 15 to 20 minutes. And sometimes you would have a neighbor whose dog would bark for HOURS without stopping. Do I feel sorry for the dogs? You bet! But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!

If I had a dog I would NEVER have that done, but I also would train my dog, care for it, not leave it alone for 14 hours at a stretch. Until someone fixes arseholes who own dogs, I cannot agree that it should be illegal.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:52 AM

El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.


My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:52 AM

rogue49: My question is...can we do this to kids if something is inconvenient or annoying to us???

/same difference.


Please, it'd be better on the adults. At least the kids can still learn/change.

/start with romney, karl rove, Bill o'reily, the entire MPAA and RIAA executive staff, climate change deniers and all of scientology
//stop there, that'd be good enough
 
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2012-11-14 09:20:10 AM
There is a new way to declaw cats that doesn't involve removal of a segment, via laser on the nail-bed.
Downside, really expensive and very few vets know how/have the tools to do it.

Worth the money, though as you are not maiming your pet.
 
2012-11-14 09:20:18 AM
So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?
 
2012-11-14 09:21:05 AM
If you don't like your dog yapping all the time don't buy a yappy little dust mop
 
2012-11-14 09:22:59 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.
I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?



Is it ok to sit out in your front lawn and yell at the top of your lungs for 10 mins constantly? or to shiat and piss on your neighbors property or throw 20 strong loud parties until 4 am ? Just because I/we are not botherd by it does not mean other people are as cool with it.
 
2012-11-14 09:23:39 AM
First they came for my balls, and I said nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:24:23 AM

WhippingBoy: So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?


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