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2012-11-14 08:29:45 AM
Hard enough as it is for inter-species communication, why remove one of the few tools available for that from the poor animal?
 
2012-11-14 08:33:40 AM
A good example of people who should not be allowed to have a dog.
 
2012-11-14 08:34:44 AM
this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.
 
2012-11-14 08:34:54 AM
Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.
 
2012-11-14 08:35:14 AM
I think I'm going to have to join some people.
 
2012-11-14 08:35:20 AM
If you train your dog to bark, you can then train it not to bark.
/got nothin
 
2012-11-14 08:35:33 AM
In Before someone else posts :

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/wait, if you say "in before" but then post something relevant, isn't that at the same time so it can't be "in before" so you fail??
 
2012-11-14 08:36:02 AM
You know who else cut out vocal cords....
 
2012-11-14 08:36:05 AM
When I see those little dogs I think of Carl Spackler as Mr. Cinderella Story.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:06 AM
how are they gonna ask for steak?
 
2012-11-14 08:36:12 AM
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2012-11-14 08:36:25 AM
Sadly, this is not new. Back in the '90s someone we knew had their cocker spaniels "debarked" because they didn't like them waking them up with occasional nighttime barks. I consider it cruel and unnecessary.


Just don't have a farking pet of any kind if you can't adapt to and train for their normal animal tendencies.

Or get a plastic fish.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:36 AM
whoops-spaniel... kinda funny...
 
2012-11-14 08:36:42 AM

abhorrent1: declawing cats


Declawing cats is a farked up practice.
 
2012-11-14 08:37:18 AM
As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.
 
2012-11-14 08:37:55 AM
Can we do this to children, too?
 
2012-11-14 08:38:24 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


No, no it's not.
 
2012-11-14 08:38:27 AM
Glenn Beck debarked a cocker spaniel sometime in the 90's.
 
2012-11-14 08:38:46 AM
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2012-11-14 08:38:46 AM
We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:09 AM
How will Lassie save Timmy from the quicksand?
 
2012-11-14 08:39:10 AM
A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.
I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?
 
2012-11-14 08:39:21 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:52 AM
It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?
 
2012-11-14 08:40:36 AM
My uncle's family had a dog that developed some sort of throat cancer/infection and had to have part of its voicebox removed. Poor thing sounded so pathetic when it tried to bark, I can't imagine anyone voluntarily doing that to an animal.
 
2012-11-14 08:42:18 AM
I'm not saying I agree with debarking, I know I wouldn't do that to a dog I had control over - but come on!
If I was in the market for a used dog and the shelter had a dog that couldn't bark that would totally be the one I'd get.
 
2012-11-14 08:42:50 AM
I don't need an animal to give me a facsimile of love and affection, and I am a light sleeper with asshole neighbors who put their big dogs out overnight in the winter so I get to listen to the dog equivalent of, "I'm cold! I'm cold!" all night.

Silence them, one way or another.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:16 AM

Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:44 AM
Most people buy a dog, put it in a cage, take it out once a day to walk it (if it's lucky, otherwise it gets let out in the yard) and hope the kids play with it.

The dog is bored, ignored, alone and generally feels valueless. Nicer dogs tend to withdraw and/or die young, but more attention-needy dogs tend to bark a lot until the neighbors poison them with antifreeze.

This is what I've seen in America's suburbs.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:54 AM

Lunaville: Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


Sadly, because you cannot hunt them for sport.
 
2012-11-14 08:44:55 AM

RatMaster999: Can we do this to children, too?


No, we should get to hear children scream in pain when their anti-bark collar shocks them.
 
2012-11-14 08:45:39 AM

starlost: this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.


I have a Cocker Spaniel, and sometimes that seems like viable option, but I wouldn't do that, nor would I declaw my cats.
 
2012-11-14 08:46:26 AM
Devocalizing dogs is inhumane? Then what is living next to some constantly barking little poopfactories?

If I wouldn't own this condo, I'd have long since moved
 
2012-11-14 08:46:32 AM
What the hell is the point of a dog that doesn't bark?

CSB moment: I had to go to Boston for a wedding; this was one of the first time me and the missus had been away on a trip without bringing our dog. We stayed at a friends place. That friend had some roomies, and they were cool. But dealing with people walking around in the middle of the night or past his first floor apartment without the dog taking notice, growling or barking was dissarming to say the least.

Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.

This is beyond the pale for me.
 
2012-11-14 08:46:36 AM

ChipNASA


In Before someone else posts :

/wait, if you say "in before" but then post something relevant, isn't that at the same time so it can't be "in before" so you fail??


You answered your own question: when you say "in before [whatever]", the "someone else" is implied.
 
2012-11-14 08:47:19 AM

RatMaster999: Can we do this to children, too?


And wives, girlfriends.
 
2012-11-14 08:48:43 AM
This complete ruins the story of Sherlock Holmes in Silver Blaze.
 
2012-11-14 08:48:46 AM
We were looking in to this. My neighbor is complaining about my dogs. They're just three doxies who learned to bark at everything. But I can't seem find a reputable vet who will cut out the vocal chords of my neighbor.

The one guy that I found wanted the patient's permission to perform the operations. I brought him in unconscious. Now you want me to wake him up. Chloroform doesn't grow on trees, Doc. The guy on Craigslist wasn't really a vet but agreed to make a house call. Too bad we were outside the range of his ankle bracelet.
 
2012-11-14 08:49:04 AM

lucksi: Devocalizing dogs is inhumane? Then what is living next to some constantly barking little poopfactories?

If I wouldn't own this condo, I'd have long since moved


Removing the bones in your inner ear might help.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:13 AM

Snarfangel: This complete ruins the story of Sherlock Holmes in Silver Blaze.


Completely, even.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:43 AM
Devocalization is such a big word.
It's been around since Richard the Third.

If I could I'd replace the vocal cords of barky dogs with vuvuzelas.
 
2012-11-14 08:52:37 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

 
2012-11-14 08:53:23 AM
22 shell is a lot cheaper.
Or a cold wet sack.
 
2012-11-14 08:53:42 AM
Here's a compromise: don't get a dog
 
2012-11-14 08:54:04 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


www.grumpyhatlady.com
 
2012-11-14 08:54:19 AM
I can't say I haven't considered it when my dog barks for no reason in the middle of the night; I could never do that to him though. It's his one way of communicating with us (except maybe tail wagging?), I don't want to take it away from him.

Why have a dog if you're going to take away one of the things that makes them a dog?
 
2012-11-14 08:54:55 AM
Don't talk about relentlessly barking dogs until you've lived with shelties.

They're still awesome dogs though.
 
2012-11-14 08:55:21 AM

GORDON: I don't need an animal to give me a facsimile of love and affection, and I am a light sleeper with asshole neighbors who put their big dogs out overnight in the winter so I get to listen to the dog equivalent of, "I'm cold! I'm cold!" all night.

Silence them, one way or another.


The really sad part is that the dog is probably saying "I'm lonely! I'm lonely!".

Unless it is really cold, I'm not denying that dogs get cold but what most dogs want more than ANYTHING is to be with their owners.

Dogs who bark:
1. First you have to completely ignore the barking. If you yell, your dog is like 'okay! bob is barking too- I'm on to something!'.
2. If you give your dog something really delicious to eat like a kong (you can fill them with plain dog food or other healthy things) or a bully stick or an antler (for extreme chewers) then they are getting rewarded for not barking (because a dog has a hard time having a full mouth and barking).
3. If your dog is so tired from a 2 mile walk and 15 m training session that they are sleeping, they can't be barking.
4. If your dog likes to look out the window/door and bark at anything that passes by, block his view (with cardboard or whatever) at least until you start getting barking under control.

I have a German Shepherd and he barks:
a) when someone is in my front yard at night
b) when he is over the top excited because it is time to play ball...
 
2012-11-14 08:55:28 AM

iheartscotch: You know who else cut out vocal cords....


The owners of Motel Hell.

"It takes all types of critters, to make Farmer Vincent's fritters"
 
2012-11-14 08:56:30 AM
Ventriculocordectomy: It's not just for drug dealers anymore.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:18 AM
Removing the vocal cords, like declawing a cat, is only removing the annoyance of your failure to properly train the animal, and your failure to properly provide for it.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:27 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


There should be times of day you can annoy the shiat out of yoru neighbors for more than ten minutes at a time?

The reason laws lieki this get passed is because there are too many asshats who can't take care of their dogs.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:32 AM
Csb time... while my wife and I were at work, someone tried to break in by picking the lock. Our dog barked so much and so annoyingly that our neighbor came out, caught the guy red handed. I would never take away our dog's ability to defend it's and my territory
 
2012-11-14 08:58:48 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.


You need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:52 AM
This has been going on for decades. Not sure why people are just now raising the banner to stop something so terrible.

In the early 90s my family took in an older puppy-mill Sheltie who had birthed probably a dozen litters. She had this done to her. She was probably one of the best dogs I'll ever have - not because of the surgery.

Always felt badly for her.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:54 AM
RubberBabyBuggyBumpers 2012-11-14 08:39:21 AM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

If you don't want your furniture destroyed, then don't get a farking cat and hack off the top joints of its paws.
 
2012-11-14 08:59:15 AM
Dear, sh*t for brains pet owners.

They're not stuffed animals. They eat, sh*t, piss, and bark and they need attention and exercise.

They have nerve endings, memories, feelings and are astoundingly loyal when well treated. They are not boo boo kitty plushies that you sit on a shelf in your bedroom.

And if this is how you view your pets, as inconveniences, for God's SAKE don't reproduce.
 
2012-11-14 08:59:17 AM
"Barking is normal behavior for dogs"
So is WALKING. So quit carrying your farkin little precious rat dog like a handbag, Paris Hilton
 
2012-11-14 08:59:38 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.
 
2012-11-14 09:01:28 AM

Kaymon: It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


This. I worked for a while in a a job that required me to try to get feuding neighbors to stop acting childish in disputes over fences, barking dogs, etc. This sometimes came up as one possible later-resort solution to the problem. I always said it seemed pretty cruel to me, but as one of my coworkers pointed out, "ask the dog which he would rather keep- his balls or his bark." I think it is a fair point...
 
2012-11-14 09:02:37 AM

starlost: this has been going on for years. at least since the 1980's. my sister had a cockel spanish she got around 1995 from the dog pound that had it done.


A cockel spanish eh? Latino dog with large junk?
 
2012-11-14 09:02:44 AM
My question is...can we do this to kids if something is inconvenient or annoying to us???

/same difference.
 
2012-11-14 09:02:57 AM
There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:02 AM
I was at a random chick's house for the first time, watching the teev and shootin' the shiat, when I saw my first and only devocalised dog.

Dawg was outside but right next to a big bay window, and I'm all "Dog barking. No sound. Does not compute." She was straight up front with explaining that their dog barked too much, she didn't appear embarrassed or take the easy "my parents are evil, I can't believe what they did!" route.

I was a youngster, so my first reaction was ya typical "join the dots, I'm supposed to be outraged against this" outraged reaction. Thankfully I thought it on the inside, coz I watched the little champ for a while and he barked NON FARKING STOP until he moved out of view. A good 5 minutes. And the shiat he was barking at. Ants. Bark at them for 30 seconds. Oh look a flower moved. Bark at that for 30 seconds. What? Ants?! Bark at them for a minute solid. Hear a noise. Randomly bark at the clouds for 30 seconds. Ooh, a caterpillar! And on it went.

Then suddenly I'm all. "Ah, story checks out."

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OTOH, I've watched a lot of those TV dog trainer type shows, and I've seen these f@ckers solve some pretty seriously bad doggy behaviour. Can a barking dog ever get to a non-trainable state?

oi45.tinypic.com Most dog owners whose mutts get a guernsey on these "train my dog for me!" segments are SERIOUSLY thick and/or lazy.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:26 AM
Neighbor across the street had a terrier that would bark for hours if there was a few minutes of silence interrupted by noise, like a car driving by at 10pm.

About 4 months ago, she backed over it with her car. I almost found religion that day, such fortune.

/why do people think it's totally cool to have dogs like that?
 
2012-11-14 09:03:26 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:27 AM

Researcher: Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.


I bet you think the "boy who cried wolf" was just the best shepherd evar
 
2012-11-14 09:05:11 AM
Call me when they destink and detooth them as well.
 
2012-11-14 09:05:28 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.


It sucks that the city moved in around you so to speak instead of you voluntarily moving into it, but I think that sounds like a wonderful policy. All dogs will occasionally bark, but 10 minutes is a long time, especially if it routinely occurs. I also think that bad pet owners can be like bad parents in that they find ways of rationalizing or ignoring the annoying misbehavior of their "children."
 
2012-11-14 09:06:15 AM
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/better not be obscure
 
2012-11-14 09:06:19 AM

dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.


I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:23 AM
Is the same as having vocal cords "scraped"?
 
2012-11-14 09:06:24 AM
It's a dog. Dog's bark. If you don't like barking, don't get a dog.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:48 AM
common2.csnimages.com

worth the money
 
2012-11-14 09:08:19 AM
My dog can shake. Teaching him sign language should be pretty easy
 
2012-11-14 09:09:07 AM
"Some people have a problem with this"

Yeah, we do. These selfish little coonts who get a dog or a can when they really don't like dogs or cats and then think they have some right to subject it to a surgical procedure to eliminate a normal behavior that annoys them, should have a great deal of pain inflicted upon them.
 
2012-11-14 09:10:08 AM
This should be illegal. Fark those people with a rusty pipe.

/doesn't really like dogs
 
2012-11-14 09:10:22 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


www.petexpertise.com
Fark that dude... shock collars are for pussies.
Positive re-enforcement FTW
 
2012-11-14 09:10:28 AM

JackieRabbit: "Some people have a problem with this"

Yeah, we do. These selfish little coonts who get a dog or a can when they really don't like dogs or cats and then think they have some right to subject it to a surgical procedure to eliminate a normal behavior that annoys them, should have a great deal of pain inflicted upon them.


So you are against spaying and neutering?
 
2012-11-14 09:11:09 AM

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


overthetoppets.com
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These work quite well and last for about a month. Then you clip the claws and re-apply. The cat gets to scratch, but nothing gets damaged. And anger swipes no longer hurt.
Plus look how pelased that cat is with her pretty pink nails.
 
2012-11-14 09:12:42 AM

El Brujo: This should be illegal


I believe it is in some areas. Not for humanitarian reasons, but for officer safety.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:11 AM
Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:59 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


Yep, but make sure you don't buy one with proprietary batteries. Still, after getting popped just 2 or 3 times, my little dachshund stopped barking while wearing the collar and the batteries have been dead for months.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:06 AM
God I wish it were legal to do this to some people.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:36 AM

jakrabit: We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.


You must live in the townhouse a few units down from me.
 
2012-11-14 09:14:50 AM

solokumba: [common2.csnimages.com image 400x400]

worth the money


We tried on of those on the Cocker, a vibrating one not a shock collar. Took him about a month to adapt and ignore. Luckily, most of my neighbors have dogs. We pretty much ignore the Cocker when he barks. When the big boy, my mutant English Springer barks, it means something important is going on.
 
2012-11-14 09:16:20 AM
that comment section is full of off the chart derp. the gopers and tea baggers are in full and complete meltdown. they want to rip out liberals voice boxes or better yet kill them all. what a bunch of mentally ill fark nuts.
 
2012-11-14 09:17:18 AM
There is a somewhat more humane middle ground here - a bark collar. Basically its a week electric shock(adjustable) collar that either has a mic or some sort of sensors on the under side. My friends had a beagle, I wont spend the next two lines here explaining how much I hate that breed as a whole. What with there IQ that is hardly above a dead rat - wait you can train dead rats to do some useful things like sit and stehefffu. I know every dog does not a breed make either, my friends came with his wife. They now had a kid and lived in a duplex and its barking 22 hours was going to be tolerated. They tried taking away his triggers but it would not stay quiet for more then 30 min regardless. Now that i didn't just sit and whine myself for 5 minutes they tried this collar before they gave it away(the kid did like it). It seems to more or less have worked -- the dog will still bark occasionally w/ it on but its only for "major events" such as someone coming home or the tv is loud during football touchdown, doorbell rings etc.

Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents
 
2012-11-14 09:17:25 AM
My friend who taught English in South Korea tells me this is standard practice there, as most apartment blocks (ie where the majority of the population lives) won't let you have a dog unless it can't bark.

Personally I reckon if you are in a situation like that don't get a dog, but no one ever asks me about these things.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:00 AM
Better than having your neighbors poison it because it has driven them over the edge with it's ceaseless yapping.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:10 AM

MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.


That's because you are a farking dunce!
 
2012-11-14 09:18:45 AM

TheGreatGazoo: As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.


As someone who lived in Detroit for 50 years, where every other house has a big dog that lives outside most of the time, I can say there are times when it might be practical. In my old neighborhood, you could shut your car door and hear 20 dogs barking for the next 15 to 20 minutes. And sometimes you would have a neighbor whose dog would bark for HOURS without stopping. Do I feel sorry for the dogs? You bet! But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!

If I had a dog I would NEVER have that done, but I also would train my dog, care for it, not leave it alone for 14 hours at a stretch. Until someone fixes arseholes who own dogs, I cannot agree that it should be illegal.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:52 AM

El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.


My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.
 
2012-11-14 09:18:52 AM

rogue49: My question is...can we do this to kids if something is inconvenient or annoying to us???

/same difference.


Please, it'd be better on the adults. At least the kids can still learn/change.

/start with romney, karl rove, Bill o'reily, the entire MPAA and RIAA executive staff, climate change deniers and all of scientology
//stop there, that'd be good enough
 
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2012-11-14 09:20:10 AM
There is a new way to declaw cats that doesn't involve removal of a segment, via laser on the nail-bed.
Downside, really expensive and very few vets know how/have the tools to do it.

Worth the money, though as you are not maiming your pet.
 
2012-11-14 09:20:18 AM
So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?
 
2012-11-14 09:21:05 AM
If you don't like your dog yapping all the time don't buy a yappy little dust mop
 
2012-11-14 09:22:59 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.
I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?



Is it ok to sit out in your front lawn and yell at the top of your lungs for 10 mins constantly? or to shiat and piss on your neighbors property or throw 20 strong loud parties until 4 am ? Just because I/we are not botherd by it does not mean other people are as cool with it.
 
2012-11-14 09:23:39 AM
First they came for my balls, and I said nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:24:23 AM

WhippingBoy: So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?


i.thestreet.com
 
2012-11-14 09:24:41 AM
A few years ago, we adopted a mini-pincher who was debarked (pound said it happened during neutering, who really knows). Little guy chirps like a bird when he gets excited.
 
2012-11-14 09:24:45 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


There's this thing called a squirt bottle. Apply water from squirt bottle to scratching cats. Problem solved without amputating anything.

And then they can still act as an indoor mouser when needed.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:03 AM
I swear, dog "parents" are worse than "snowflake" parents.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:15 AM

lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents


I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:21 AM
Kaymon
You need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.

I need to borrow that line if you don't mind. That could seriously come in handy where I work.
 
2012-11-14 09:26:41 AM

martid4: RatMaster999: Can we do this to children, too?

And wives, girlfriends.


Hell, my wife would just learn sign language, and then I'd have to deal with this non-stop fluttering of her hands. At least with the talking I don't have to actively pay attention to her. I just have to pretend to listen!
 
2012-11-14 09:29:20 AM

Researcher:

Having a dog is like having an alarm system - my dog is basically marshmellow fluff, love, and fur. I'm not counting on it to kill any intruders - that's what I'm for. So it just boggles my mind that you'd remove that ability from one of natures greatest sentries.

This is beyond the pale for me.


I was just gonna say something similar to this. Outside of faithful company, I think one of the best reasons for getting a dog is for the alarm system feature, i.e. barking, whether in the home or on a dog trail.

There again, when an owner has a dog that barks incessantly because it's not disciplined/cared for/exercised enough, that feature becomes just as ineffective as if the owner were to remove the vocal chords. But I guess if the owner is the sort of selfish, callous human being who doesn't care about their pet's well being, and views them just as an accessory, then doing something as disgustingly awful as cutting out the vocal chords is par for the course.

What I find hard to stomach, too, is the fact that there are surgeons who are willingly doing this and who aren't saying, "Are you farking kidding me, you sick fark? Get out of my office." to these sick farks.
 
2012-11-14 09:30:32 AM
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MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!




He's right. it's no different. Chopping off body parts for your convenience.
 
2012-11-14 09:30:46 AM

simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.


That's still not the cat's fault.
 
2012-11-14 09:30:49 AM

GORDON: I don't need an animal to give me a facsimile of love and affection, and I am a light sleeper with asshole neighbors who put their big dogs out overnight in the winter so I get to listen to the dog equivalent of, "I'm cold! I'm cold!" all night.

Silence them, one way or another.


I hate when people neglect their dogs asking to be let back in. Had that at an old house - guy would let his dog out at 5am, then leave it there until 8am, regardless of the fact that it barked continuously.

I never did this, but they do make little ultrasonic bark deterrents you can hang on your fence. When it detects a bark it emits an unpleasant sound the dogs can hear. They work better if there's carrot with the stick, though, so without the owner's cooperation, you'd have to commit to throwing treats over the fence when they're being extra quiet, too.
 
2012-11-14 09:31:30 AM

gmoney101: MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!


agree completely.

Also, having your pet spayed or neutered will usually improve their life span by a few years, reduce the incidence of reproductive organ cancers especially in dogs; guard against illnesses spurred by an animal reproducing late in their lives and generally is good for the overall health of an animal. Cutting their vocal cords does nothing but force an animal to comply with the will of a useless 'owner', serving no purpose other than making them more of a stuffed toy, and not a companion.
 
2012-11-14 09:34:16 AM

simplicimus: We tried on of those on the Cocker, a vibrating one not a shock collar.


after the third time we had to use the shock he learned the deal
we haven't bought batteries for it in 2 years
we just put it on at the dog park or when we go camping and he knows to calm the fark down and play well with others
 
2012-11-14 09:34:16 AM

moothemagiccow: Here's a compromise: don't get a dog

 
2012-11-14 09:34:32 AM

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MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!



He's right. it's no different. Chopping off body parts for your convenience.


Dogs are spayed/neutered because human ownership has caused their population to grow much larger than could be sustained naturally. As caregivers to both the animal and the local environment we have to balance the needs of the two. I wish things like vasectomies were more common/safer for dogs but too many vets still won't do them. Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.

De-clawing cats on the other hand is just because the owner finds it inconvenient.
 
2012-11-14 09:37:01 AM

Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.
I wonder how long it will be before the helpful folks that pushed that through point out that if debarking were required of all the dogs in the city, no one would ever have to hear a dog bark? Why is that the people who made us all completely miserable in high school always seem to end up running things one way or another?


What? This is a brilliant idea! No dog needs to bark longer than ten minutes.
 
2012-11-14 09:37:53 AM

Kaymon: It's ok to hack their balls off, but this is bad? Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?


Not to mention docked ears and tails.
 
2012-11-14 09:37:54 AM
You'd think the Basenji would be more popular.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:30 AM

bunner: Dear, sh*t for brains pet owners.

And if this is how you view your pets, as inconveniences, for God's SAKE don't reproduce.


And don't try to reproduce with your pet!
 
2012-11-14 09:39:44 AM
Uuuuuuuuh, I'd never do that to Bob Barker (aka the Prince of Barkness). The fact that his only major interest other than farting around, going for walks, playing, sleeping and eating is guarding our house is what makes him awesome and a contributing member of the household. That's his job, he's supposed to bark at things when they're in our front or backyard (it's an open concept condo and the backyard isn't completely fenced so I'm extra grateful for his efforts because if someone ever stole my green egg I'd probably die).

Sure, he's occasionally too diligent and will bark at something just going by but all I have to say, from any floor in the house, is "That's enough" and he stops and goes about his business. Why? Because he's trained. My boss wishes I'd show that kind of work ethic.

Christ, all the cat does is gripe about crap.
 
2012-11-14 09:40:01 AM

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


And every cat I've ever known has responded to a little demo on the approved scratching surfaces. "Hey, try scratching this instead!" *scritch scritch* Bam, they're trying it for themselves. Combine that introduction with the squirt bottle, and maybe some catnip rubbed on your scratching surface, and you'll quickly solve your scratching problems.
 
2012-11-14 09:40:11 AM

WhippingBoy: So it's OK to take a cow, fatten it up with unnatural drugs, lead it to a slaughterhouse, blow it's farking brains out, chop it up, and eat it, but remove the vocal cords from your dog and you're worse than Hitler?


And this is why I do not own pets. I'm an unapologetic meat eater, and I can't justify in my own mind killing some for food while treating others like almost-but-not-quite people, and yet also property. I grew up on a farm, and we owned dogs, but our style of pet ownership was pretty reminiscent of Old Yeller. As in, pets are nice companions, but there comes a time in a dog's life when you might have to put it down, and it's important to be a grown-up about it. I've changed in a lot of ways since moving away from home, going to college, working for a while, and then going to graduate school, but it's still very hard for me to respect people who don't seem to recognize that their unguarded emotional attachments to their pets, although completely understandable, are also foolish and misplaced. I've learned not to comment when one of my nutty "cityfolk" friends tries to raise $10K to pay for a surgery for her German Shepherd, but in my mind, I still think... it's time for you to own up to the fact that you've become way too emotionally invested in an animal, and that's causing you to make stupid decisions. It's time to let go.
 
2012-11-14 09:40:17 AM

El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.


I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.
 
2012-11-14 09:40:47 AM

Carth: Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.


Dogs that don't bark are less likely to end up poisoned by the neighbors...
 
2012-11-14 09:42:37 AM

Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.


People can say this kind of stuff all they want, but I don't care how much training some animals have, they are going to do certain things. I had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger and I spent hours/days/months trying to train her not to scratch furniture. I bought her every kind of scratching post imaginable and she never scratched when I was home. But when I was at work, she ruined every piece of furniture I owned! She even ruined the doors and the cupboards! People suggested to put nail caps on her. I tried, she chewed them all off the first day!

I have since had 3 rescued cats that were declawed by their former owners and I love that I don't have to worry about everything I owned getting shredded! And they still fake clawed everything to their hearts content. They all lived long, happy lives. And the crazy tabby I have now would have shredded everything I owned if she had not been declawed!

And in the apartment that I live in now, there is a very well mannered, well behaved West Highland White Terrier. He is just the perfect little dog. But when his owner is not home, he barks at everything! Including leaves that blow across the lawn! And once he starts barking, he does not stop for 15 to 20 minutes. So every squirrel, every person walking by, every person going to their apartment, every leaf that moves causes 15 minutes of furious barking.

Would I feel sorry for the dog if they nicked his vocal chords, sure. But who do I really feel sorry for, the neighbors to the right, to the left, above and below! I can hear him and I live two buildings away!
 
2012-11-14 09:42:57 AM

El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.


No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.
 
2012-11-14 09:45:53 AM

MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.


You would if you had a male cat marking everything you own with the most foul smelling stuff imaginable!
 
2012-11-14 09:46:41 AM

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


Why spend the money on an asshole cat? I'd get rid of him, we're it me. Sounds like its a bad situation all around. Take him to a shelter or better yet see if you know someone with a farm.
 
2012-11-14 09:46:48 AM

Carth: lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents

I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.


probably, I cranked it up all the way where he has it on I think 1.5/5(i think) and also remember dogs have this thing called "fur" witch is rather good form insulation from such a device. Like i said he still barks here and there every 15-20 mins but he no longer constantly barks for 5m straight routinely. I sort of find it hard to believe if it nearly killed the dog he would keep on barking every 20 min.
 
2012-11-14 09:48:30 AM
Anyone who debarks a dog should have the same done to them.

Declawing cats...ok in a few situations, but normally, hell no.

If you can't handle an animal without mutilating it, then don't get the damned animal.
 
2012-11-14 09:50:12 AM

simplicimus: El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.

No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.


I hope your mom's cat stays indoors. I'm glad she's able to have a companion, though. I'd want the same for any relative of mine reaching that age.
 
2012-11-14 09:50:25 AM

Meethos: Neighbor across the street had a terrier that would bark for hours if there was a few minutes of silence interrupted by noise, like a car driving by at 10pm.

About 4 months ago, she backed over it with her car. I almost found religion that day, such fortune.


I dunno how many people read that as just another CSB, but that is freaken unbelievable. And bonus lulz for the spectacular way Rover bit it. You would have been pinching yourself for days.

Do you have magical powers like that Firestarter chick?
 
2012-11-14 09:50:38 AM

Shaggy_C: Carth: Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.

Dogs that don't bark are less likely to end up poisoned by the neighbors...


Dogs are poisoned by criminals barking or pooping on your lawn are just the justifications they use. Sane people call 311 and let the owner deal with a $100-300 fine every time it is reported.
 
2012-11-14 09:50:46 AM

mcwehrle: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

No, no it's not.


I'm generally against declawing cats, but look, sometimes there are two options: Declaw a cat, or get rid of a cat. I'd rather see Mr. Wiggles getting a home rather than keeping his claws.
 
2012-11-14 09:51:22 AM
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Carth: Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.




That's why I had my dog's legs removed. It's much safer for him, really. Plus he's so easy to cuddle with now!
 
2012-11-14 09:51:25 AM
All little farking yappy rodent-sized dogs should either be devocalized, and else stepped on and squished like a bug.
 
2012-11-14 09:51:48 AM

TheGreatGazoo: As someone who has to listen to a dog howl from the other side of the neighborhood, I don't have too much of a problem with this.


move
 
2012-11-14 09:53:04 AM

doubled99:
That's why I had my dog's legs removed. It's much safer for him, really. Plus he's so easy to cuddle with now!


www.hrwiki.org
 
2012-11-14 09:53:17 AM

El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.

No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.

I hope your mom's cat stays indoors. I'm glad she's able to have a companion, though. I'd want the same for any relative of mine reaching that age.


No, my mom's cat doesn't want to go outside, even given the chance.
 
2012-11-14 09:55:29 AM
SevenizGud: All little farking yappy rodent-sized dogs should either be devocalized, and else stepped on and squished like a bug.

If your dog will fit in a microwave it belongs in one
 
2012-11-14 09:55:44 AM
While I have no problem with declawing house cats that never ever go outside, people who cut the vocal cords out of dogs should be covered in bacon grease and thrown into a pen of angry pit bulls.

/hates cats anyways
 
2012-11-14 09:57:34 AM
I agree that the "Barkectomy" surgery might be cruel, unusual and barbarous.

To bad there isn't some simple chemical compound, maybe some kind of powdered substance that could either be:
1) sprinkled on their food, or
2) poured down their throats,
that would effectively kind of "burn" the vocal cords of the offending yapper.

Any ideas?

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-11-14 09:57:49 AM
We got a notice a few weeks ago that our dog barks incessantly. Future Mr. Mouse and I actually got into a fight over it because he was convinced it only happens at night but I had to tell him there were days when I'd come home in the middle of the day and could hear her all the way from the parking lot.

So after the dust settled and we agreed that barking was, indeed, an issue that needed addressing regardless we worked on it. We have to lock her in our bedroom at night so she doesn't bark at late night walkers or people running up and down the stairs outside. Anytime she runs to the door or window barking the closest human leaps up and stands between her and the barrier and begin to distract her and lead her away from said barrier. And we started playing with her more at night and on weekends. 2 hours at the dog park on a Saturday = 4-5 hours of silent bliss.

Since receiving the notice she's become much more bearable and quiet. If a maintenance guy needs to come into our place, however, no guarantees about the barking. Actually maintenance refuses to do work orders for us unless she's out of the apartment or one of us is home. Mini Schnauzers are effing loud, man.
 
2012-11-14 09:59:32 AM

Oldiron_79: SevenizGud: All little farking yappy rodent-sized dogs should either be devocalized, and else stepped on and squished like a bug.

If your dog will fit in a microwave it belongs in one


Gotta say it depends on the dog. We rescued a minpin/chihuahua mix a few months ago, once she settled in she's a very calm, quiet, cuddly pup and gets along with our other critters. She's also the only one of our dogs that's immediately ok with guests. In the case of the ones that never shut up though, it's hard to argue...
 
2012-11-14 10:00:27 AM

gmoney101: MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are farking dunce!

You spelled Dunst wrong.
How did you know I was farking Kirsten? We agreed not to tell anyone. What with she being all famous and what not, and me just being some regular slob, we thought it best I didn't have to deal with the paparazi.
 
2012-11-14 10:00:43 AM

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MythDragon: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

But de-balling animals is still cool, right?

I really fail to see the difference.

That's because you are a farking dunce!



He's right. it's no different. Chopping off body parts for your convenience.


Spaying or neutering is not for convenience, it's to cut down on rampant over population among dogs and cats. Declawing a cat is mutilating an animal because of one's concern for their furniture. My dad's wife has a declawed cat. It just lays there like a stuffed animal with no will to live. It's a horrible thing to do to an animal.
 
2012-11-14 10:00:56 AM

Rostin: Lunaville: A couple of years ago we were annexed into an area where it is against the law for a dog to bark for more than ten minutes at a time regardless of the time of day. I thought that was sick.

It sucks that the city moved in around you so to speak instead of you voluntarily moving into it, but I think that sounds like a wonderful policy. All dogs will occasionally bark, but 10 minutes is a long time, especially if it routinely occurs. I also think that bad pet owners can be like bad parents in that they find ways of rationalizing or ignoring the annoying misbehavior of their "children."


My dogs almost never bark, but I used to live next door to a pair of bassets that loved to bark. It was part of how they played outside. They were having a grand time and did me no harm. I can't imagine filing a complaint against my neighbor about that.
 
2012-11-14 10:02:28 AM

HeartBurnKid: dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.

I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.


I watch my cats closely. The distaffbopper gets Persians, so they get *LOTS* of attention. None of them have displayed that behavior, declawed or not.

I suspect that when done badly, or done to a cat that is older, that's true. But I have yet to have seen signs of it in any of the cats we had declawed over the years. Of course, we always had it done by a good vet, and when they were young kittens.

Honestly, I don't care either way. I'm not for or against declawing, and if I take a cat that the breeder says "no declaw", I'm fine with that. I just think that the arguments against it are overblown.

/Would *NEVER* declaw an "outside" cat.
//Would never have an outside cat, either.
 
2012-11-14 10:03:17 AM

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2012-11-14 09:40:47 AM


Carth: Dogs that are neutered also live longer and are less likely to run away and get hit by cars.



That's why I had my dog's legs removed. It's much safer for him, really. Plus he's so easy to cuddle with now!


If having limbs removed actually resulted in a longer lifespan, and vets recommend it I bet it would catch on.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:28 AM
but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!
 
2012-11-14 10:07:56 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


It needs to be done.
 
2012-11-14 10:08:03 AM
Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:15 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!


How do you make a cat go woof?
 
2012-11-14 10:10:32 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.


Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:48 AM

HailRobonia: mcwehrle: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

No, no it's not.

I'm generally against declawing cats, but look, sometimes there are two options: Declaw a cat, or get rid of a cat. I'd rather see Mr. Wiggles getting a home rather than keeping his claws.


And I agree.....I know that sometimes it IS an "either/or" situation. Rather than dumping/killing/taking them to a shelter (where they will be killed), I would go with declawing too. I would have agony over it, but I could mitigate it with exactly what you said. Mittens either gets declawed or gets killed. Mittens deserves to live.

I didn't mean to sound like a militant no declawer. It's not right as a rule, but I can see times it's the last option and you have to take it.

/has 3
//all came to me declawed
///no problems with their feet at all
 
2012-11-14 10:13:19 AM
fark I hate barking dogs and I hate the owners of barking dogs. I had to get the city involved with a neighbor whose dog barked constantly and ended up taking them to court. Is it the dogs fault? Maybe. Some dogs are just stupid. Some owners are just stupid. If they can't control the dog cut out the barker. No big deal, you probably have already cut off his nuts.
 
2012-11-14 10:13:48 AM
Shouldn't vets have a Hippocratic oath equivalent to doctors? Do no harm? Of course plastic surgeons seem to ignore their oath so I guess it doesn't matter.
 
2012-11-14 10:17:33 AM

APE992: Dogs barking is natural. Dogs barking at all hours constantly don't deserve to have their vocal cords cut but they may need new owners.


Yes, if either of our dogs start barking at all after 10 pm, we go outside to that dog immediately. The only time there is a delay is if we are sleeping and we have to wake-up first. One of us goes outside to see what the dog is barking at. We talk to the dog for a moment or so as in "Yes, that is a possum. I see the possum." Then we bring the dog in. If they head right back out to tell everyone about the raccoon or possum or whatever; we bring the dog in and close the pet door for the night.

The older dog has gotten so frail he rarely goes outside. When he was younger, he used to come into the bedroom in the middle of the night bark, whine, paw at me, and tug on my pajamas to wake me. When I was up, he would trot off, pausing repeatedly, to make sure I was following. He'd lead me outside to show me that nights' nocturnal visitor. He'd wag his tail and bark "Look Mom, Timmy is a roof rat." Even though it interrupted my sleep, I got a kick out of it. He barked little enough while outside the neighbors denied ever noticing this silliness was going on.
 
2012-11-14 10:18:10 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.
 
2012-11-14 10:18:13 AM

Tumunga: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Because even if you are able to watch your dog 100% of the time to prevent it from causing more unwanted dogs neuter/spaying still decreases the risk of cancer, causes your dog to live longer, and makes him less likely to run away. All of these things are benefits that you can't get through proper training like you can get a dog to stop barking. That is why Vets recommend neutering and not devocalizing.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:19 AM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

There's this thing called a squirt bottle. Apply water from squirt bottle to scratching cats. Problem solved without amputating anything.

And then they can still act as an indoor mouser when needed.


I have five cats and two dogs, all pound or strays, all indoor animals.

Our best mouser is a declawed semi-long hair cat (she came that way).

Our second best is the chihuahua/whatever mix.
 
2012-11-14 10:20:01 AM
I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.
 
2012-11-14 10:22:06 AM

probesport: I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.


There are ton of people in this thread who are trying to figure out a way to hate you for that, and it's driving them crazy that they can't.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:12 AM

Mugato: My dad's wife has a declawed cat. It just lays there like a stuffed animal with no will to live. It's a horrible thing to do to an animal.


This was Sunnylakes Loki:

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He was declawed as a kitten, then neutered, and he acted like a kitten all his life, right up until a month or two before he died.

The cat on the left of this picture is Champion Mountcascade's Starlight, or "Tar-tar" for short:

i50.tinypic.com

She is not declawed, and she pretty much fits the same description as your dad's wife's cat. She was spayed after she had a litter.

Loki and Starlight are cousins, btw.

The cat on the right is Freya, and she *IS* declawed, and was spayed before she came into heat. She still acts like a kitten. 

This is Persian Artistry's Deucalion:

i49.tinypic.com

He is not declawed, nor will he be, at the request of the breeder (same goes for Tar-tar, btw, who was too old to have it done anyway when we got her). 

I suspect that Deucalion will continue to act like a kitten all his life, not because he won't be declawed, but because we are having him neutered before he reaches full maturity.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:27 AM

simplicimus: El Brujo: simplicimus: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

My Mom is 95, and her skin is very thin and fragile, so she had her cat declawed. That is the instance I could approve of. My cats are not declawed.

That's still not the cat's fault.

No, not the cat's fault, but a necessary preventive action to protect my mother while still allowing her the companionship of a cat. At 95, it takes her a week or more to heal from a cat scratch.
My cats get some outside time everyday, so they can scratch to their heart's content.


So you crippled an animal to avoid some healing time.

Did you consider just getting a little set of claw clippers?

I've always just clipped my cats' claws (numerous cats, over the decades) when I brushed them. Works fine.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:28 AM

The Muthaship: probesport: I do not approve of declawing cats but my cats have always been declawed.

I adopt young cats from the shelter that have already been declawed, It's a win-win for me.

There are ton of people in this thread who are trying to figure out a way to hate you for that, and it's driving them crazy that they can't.


Well, there are variables to consider. I already explained why my Mom's cat needed to be declawed. My two cats get to spend time outside around the house and have plenty of trees to sharpen their claws on, so not much of a problem when they're inside.
 
2012-11-14 10:33:40 AM

Tumunga: A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Even ignoring the health benefits associated with spaying and neutering, which would you prefer: to keep your balls knowing that you'll never ever get to use them your entire life because someone would be constantly cock-blocking you, or just give them up so you no longer worried about sex you were never going to have anyway?
 
2012-11-14 10:35:39 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Tumunga: A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.

Even ignoring the health benefits associated with spaying and neutering, which would you prefer: to keep your balls knowing that you'll never ever get to use them your entire life because someone would be constantly cock-blocking you, or just give them up so you no longer worried about sex you were never going to have anyway?


What, you mean like getting married?
 
2012-11-14 10:36:18 AM
Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.
 
2012-11-14 10:41:10 AM

Carth: lolumadbro:
Long story short might be worth looking into, and no the shock is not that bad .. more of a uncomfortable buzz like a cow fence. Trust me I got hamerd and had to try it out.

my 64 cents

I imagine it feels a bit different to a 180-200lb human than it does to a 10-50lb dog.


Edumucation time:

I use a shock collar routinely with my bluetick. Not for barking - even though he's a an extremely loud (100db) and lusty barker, I don't really care - but for breaking him off the wrong game. Believe it or not, it's impossible to stop an 80lb hunting dog when he decides to go after a deer without a shock collar - no way in hell will you will ever catch him and get him stopped.

Anyway, weight really has nothing to do with how the dog experiences the shock relative to how a human experiences a shock. It has more to do with the fact that the dog's skin has less water content than a human, since dogs don't have sweat pores. I can personally attest to the fact that a setting that makes ME yelp in pain (1.5 out of 5) merely makes my dog shake his head in annoyance. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt the dog, but that it doesn't hurt the dog nearly as much as it hurts a human on the same setting, regardless of the dog's weight.

That said, people that have to remove their dog's vocal cords shouldn't have a dog. I've seen mercifully few of these dogs - very strange to see a dog to through all the motions of barking with nothing coming out - and every time it's made me pretty angry.

Dogs bark. It's what they do. Get over it.
 
2012-11-14 10:42:01 AM

StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.


Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.
 
2012-11-14 10:43:08 AM

crzybtch: Kaymon
You need to get your sarcasm meter calibrated.

I need to borrow that line if you don't mind. That could seriously come in handy where I work.


Royalties are to be paid to Matt Groening
www.contraditorium.com
 
2012-11-14 10:48:11 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.


Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?
 
2012-11-14 10:50:42 AM

Tumunga: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Kaymon: Where to we draw the line at what parts of an animal we can remove?

How about we draw it at "when the only reason you're doing it is because you're not competent enough or too lazy to properly control the animal as per the basic responsibilities of pet ownership".

You really shouldn't have to have that explained to you.

Then, again, why is it ok to cut the nuts off? A competent owner is able to control their dog to keep it from sticking its' wick into an unsuspecting canine snatch.


Right. Abstinence training works on teenagers, too.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:12 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.

Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?


Sure. Real Americans wear polyester Disco suits.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:30 AM

freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.


He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:41 AM

dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.


I have noticed behavioral differences. I had a cat declawed by my ex (got out before she declawed me). The cat would not let you touch it's paws. My current beclawed fur-covereds love paw massages.
 
2012-11-14 10:52:52 AM
Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.
 
2012-11-14 10:53:23 AM

Big Ramifications: Jon iz teh kewl: but then how would u know what's on top of the house?

ROOF!

How do you make a cat go woof?


oh long johnson
 
2012-11-14 10:54:36 AM

AcneVulgaris: freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.

He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.


They would probably bark at you too, zitface.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:47 AM

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


If any animal attacks a kid, it's time for that animal to go.
 
2012-11-14 10:57:48 AM
I really don't see a problem with this; as pointed out above we modify animals to our needs all the time and few people care. Interestingly enough, I know of many people who have used this procedure on yappy dogs for many years without any major issues.
 
2012-11-14 10:59:31 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.


My dogs bark when something important happens, like when someone comes to the door, or a neighbor opens a car door, or when there's a squirrel. Sometimes, all the dogs in the neighbor band together to bark/howl at something. Otherwise, they're pretty laid back.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:33 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: StashMonster: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

No, it is in fact cruel to declaw cats. It removes part of their toes and makes it difficult and painful to walk. Sod the furniture. Cats don't claw that much anyway, but if it matters that much to you DON'T GET A CAT.

Meh. I was talking about the real world, not the cotton-wearing hipster world.

Wearing cotton makes someone a hipster?


Oops. Hemp. I meant hemp.
 
2012-11-14 11:06:38 AM

GoldSpider: jakrabit: We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.

You must live in the townhouse a few units down from me.


The wife has been working with her since we got her... About a year and a half. She's much better. Except at 3 am when an owl farts.

If you hear "LOU, SHUT THE FARK UP", occasionally, then we're neighbors.
 
2012-11-14 11:07:49 AM
"I'd rather see Mr. Wiggles getting a home rather than keeping his claws."

Agreed. Some out there are a little too militant in their condemnation of declawing cats. The fact is that if my then kitten hadn't been declawed she never would have left the animal shelter. That shelter was badly overcrowded, so she would have very likely lived her entire life in that miserable place. In fact, if I recall correctly, it was a kill shelter.

Declawing cats saves their lives.

These stories about painful walking probably have a basis in truth, but my cat has run around playfully all her life with no indication she's suffering. I think this has a lot to do with the skill of the person chopping off the parts of her paws.
 
2012-11-14 11:08:39 AM
If you are unable to train your dog to not bark at every little thing it sees, it means that you are not cut own to own a dog, not that the dog needs to be "repaired."
 
2012-11-14 11:10:08 AM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


This. It takes all of ten minutes to clip my cat's nails. And scratching posts are cheap.
 
2012-11-14 11:10:31 AM
I know someone who owns a partially declawed cat; the front claws were removed. So the cat learned to do a ninja jump-double-kick with its hind legs when it want to fark something up.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:29 AM
I used to volunteer with a cat rescue and the head of it was a wealthy widow in her early 50s who lived in a gorgeous house. She was def not the regular "crazy cat lady". She was probably fostering 25 or so cats at any time in her house. This was for indoor cats. I went over to pick up a litter to foster at my home and we had a discussion about declawing. Although she never made her views publicly known (there were some crazy cat people in the group), we both fully supported it.

The fact is, a declawed cat is most likely to get adopted. If the options are declawing or euthanization, I'm sure the cat would be okay with declawing.

All of my indoor cats through out my life have had their front claws done as kittens during their neutering with no problems. Kittens are sore for about a day and then they act like it never happened. My only mistake was getting my older cat done, which I do regret. She was in a lot of pain and had complications. I won't ever do it to an older cat again.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:39 AM
Wow, the derp in the comment section is insane!
 
2012-11-14 11:15:09 AM

RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.


Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.
 
2012-11-14 11:19:48 AM

crzybtch: But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!


I've lived right next door to people who kept their large dogs outdoors all the time, and those dogs barked constantly.

That is just as much a failure on the part of its owner as debarking the damn thing would have been.
 
2012-11-14 11:20:07 AM

shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.


Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.
 
2012-11-14 11:21:16 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.


The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.

I have no problem seeing debarking banned. I'd also be alright requiring veterinarians to be properly trained and certified to do this specific operation so the practice doesn't get pushed underground. But can we also make it law that if you neglect your dog, you lose the dog and the privilege to ever own one again?
 
2012-11-14 11:22:30 AM

shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.


And if you try that, consistently, as recommended by a vet, and don't cut corners, and do it as well as you can... and your cat's personality is such that he or she just won't adapt?

I know I know... if you weren't willing to have your house destroyed you never should've adopted a cat that a desperate friend pleaded with you to adopt. I know I know.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:30 AM

Dinjiin: The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.


That may sometimes be the problem, but there are some dogs with psych issues that will cause them to bark incessantly. Many times, that is the case for smaller dogs especially.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:36 AM

Gramma: El Brujo: Declawing cats is also a totally farked up thing to do to a cat. Fark those people too.

I agree with you but I have a cat that is really asking for it. He is an indoor cat since we live in the city and he really needs to be an outdoor cat. I haven't been able to find a home for him where he can be outdoors. He is mean and wild. I'm not concerned about the furniture and walls (he climbs up the walls and can go about 5 ft across the ceiling before he lets go). It is his attacks on my daughter that are going to be his downfall. I have had plenty of cats in my life but nothing like this one. It is like living with a bobcat for a pet. It looks like my choices are to either have him declawed, or put him down. I don't want to do either, but something has to give.


I see attempting to train him in any way is out of the question...
 
2012-11-14 11:25:58 AM
It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.
 
2012-11-14 11:26:34 AM

chachi88: I have noticed behavioral differences. I had a cat declawed by my ex (got out before she declawed me). The cat would not let you touch it's paws. My current beclawed fur-covereds love paw massages.


I haven't noticed any differences, and we "paw play" with all the cats.
 
2012-11-14 11:30:57 AM

ChipNASA: In Before someone else posts :

[img.ffffound.com image 298x398]

/wait, if you say "in before" but then post something relevant, isn't that at the same time so it can't be "in before" so you fail??


I love that cartoon. I hear it every time my dog barks, "Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!"
 
2012-11-14 11:31:05 AM

Lollipop165: All of my indoor cats through out my life have had their front claws done as kittens during their neutering with no problems. Kittens are sore for about a day and then they act like it never happened. My only mistake was getting my older cat done, which I do regret. She was in a lot of pain and had complications. I won't ever do it to an older cat again.


I think the horror stories about how declawed cats are in pain come from people who had their cats declawed when they were older, probably because the cats were scratching their furniture. When done as a kitten, by a competent vet, there aren't any long term issues.

You *CAN* train a cat to use just the appropriate scratching posts, btw, just like you can train them to use the litter box. But you have to start young, and be consistent.
 
2012-11-14 11:32:32 AM
lh5.ggpht.com
 
2012-11-14 11:39:54 AM
if u take LSD u can sometimes hear what the dog's saying. and it's not just hey hey hey
sometimes it's more obvious
 
2012-11-14 11:42:34 AM

HailRobonia: I know someone who owns a partially declawed cat; the front claws were removed. So the cat learned to do a ninja jump-double-kick with its hind legs when it want to fark something up.


I've always assumed that de-clawing meant front claws only. I had my cats front claws removed when it was a kitten. I intended it to be a indoor cat but he runs outside all the time and has loads of fun fighting other cats. He's half their size but seems to do well for himself. Found another cats collar on our stoop the other day.
From what I've witnessed cats fight by holding on to each other with their front arms in a sort of horozontal bear hug and use the back claws to attack. Seems like it's mostly for show.
 
2012-11-14 11:43:31 AM

trappedspirit: It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.


You sound like my dog.
 
2012-11-14 11:45:53 AM

rev. dave: A good example of people who should not be allowed to have a dog.


Same for those who "De-Claw" cats
 
2012-11-14 11:46:55 AM

HailRobonia: I know someone who owns a partially declawed cat; the front claws were removed. So the cat learned to do a ninja jump-double-kick with its hind legs when it want to fark something up.


Growing up, our cats were indoor/outdoor cats. My parents had their front claws removed so they wouldn't damage the furniture, but left their back claws so they could still climb up trees and defend themselves when in confrontations with other cats (they could still rake with their back claws). My mom considered weekly clipping, but several cats she had before I came into the picture severely disliked the practice and usually squirmed and scratched when she tried.

I've heard about cats being incorrectly declawed that left them in permanent pain, but I don't know of anybody personally who had this issue when they had the procedure done to their cats. Could have been that at one time we had a rash of bad vets, but now because of increased awareness, vets are being more vigilant about doing the procedure correctly.
 
2012-11-14 11:47:24 AM

simplicimus: shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.

Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.


Scratch only appropriate areas.
 
2012-11-14 11:48:59 AM

lolumadbro: beagle


Beagles generally fall among the smarter majority of dogs.

But dogs, of all breeds, are just like humans - some are brighter than others; some have difficulty learning; some have difficulty developing proper social behavior; some have difficulty taking orders; some love the sound of their own voice...
... some are just plain retarded.

Some are geniuses!
 
2012-11-14 11:51:30 AM

Dinjiin: I May Be Crazy But...: Here's the thing. Dogs bark for a reason, mostly. They aren't just making noise to make noise like when your smart ass brother gives your 5 year old a kazoo for Christmas. So don't cut out their vocal cords.

The problem is, often that reason is because the dog is isolated, lonely and bored. So the asshat owners ruin the quality of life for every neighbor around them as their dogs bark incessantly all day long.


I found that having two dogs prevents the isolation, loneliness and boredom. They have nightly play time with each other. We call them seal fights, because there's a movement and barking but no damage done. On the otherhand, they're both Spaniels, so pretty much harmless, except for the vigorous sniffing and occasional licking.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:33 AM

freetomato: AcneVulgaris: freetomato: Anyone who allows their dogs to bark incessantly is a neglectful dog owner. Mine know that they can bark to their heart's content till dusk. If they bark more than twice after that, they are in for the night. As they love to be outside they are pretty much trained to be quiet unless a critter or an intruder gets in the yard.

The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.

He is probably miserable because your shiathead dog barks from the time he gete home from work until 10pm.

They would probably bark at you too, zitface.


Dogs will bark at their own farking testicles. They need to be eradicated.
 
2012-11-14 11:53:42 AM
I like true crime stuff and probably about 5 years ago I saw a case (on Court/True TV) where the family had a Weimaraner dog that they'd had this done to and it was just because, the dog did NOT have a history of problem barking.

Well, some criminal broke into their house during one night and took their young daughter and later killed her. The dog tried to alert the family, but could not bark and they ignored it.

Too bad for that little girl her parents were such dumb f*cks.

/If you would do this than you don't deserve a dog. That is all.
 
2012-11-14 11:54:03 AM

shortymac: simplicimus: shortymac: RubberBabyBuggyBumpers: abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.

Indoor cats, sure. Cat doesn't get yelled at for destroying furniture, human doesn't have to yell at cat, furniture doesn't get destroyed, and cat doesn't need to hunt for food or protect itself.

Or you know you could train your cat to not scratch.

But that would take some time, thought, and responsibility but no one has that these days.

Train a cat not to scratch? They need to scratch to renew their claws, much like you (I assume) trim your fingernails.

Scratch only appropriate areas.


OK, that only requires a spray bottle of water.
 
2012-11-14 11:58:05 AM
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I threaten to cut his vocal cords sometimes. A Basset Hound bark in a house is crazy loud
 
2012-11-14 12:01:19 PM

Researcher: Having a dog is like having an alarm system


Having a dog is better than having an alarm system, particularly if your dog has a nice, deep bark. (A yippity bark isn't going to do the trick quite so well.) Burglars tend to ignore house alarms, as they'll typically have at least around 30-45 minutes to get whatever they like depending on where you live and whether or not your neighbors respond. If you have an intimidating bark or two on the other side of the door, however, they'll think twice about whether or not they want to take a chance on getting bitten.
 
2012-11-14 12:02:17 PM
I like cats enough and detest the thought of de-clawing them, but I do love dogs and this "de-vocalizing" sounds even worse to me. Yes, such people probably shouldn't have dogs, or cats.

A few people have brought up a real dichotomy here, though: why is it considered fine to spay or neuter animals? Well, we know why: for human convenience. With enough human supervision, we could prevent animals from reproducing without surgery.

The thing is, we value human time and effort over the comfort and feelings of lesser animals. No matter how beloved and noble a dog is, you must understand that is what we view such creatures as. They aren't humans; we don't see their existence as necessitating "humane" treatment. After all, we enslave them from the start, don't we? We (generally) have little problem slaughtering animals for food, etc; we could do without all these things, but we choose not to.

We humans follow a simple rule: our wants go before any pretty-sounding ideas of "rights" of animals. We discourage, and even outlaw cruel treatment of animals, assuming the cruel treatment is considered very easily avoidable. We can't eat chicken without being cruel to the chickens, so that's ignored.

I don't like the idea of de-clawing cats. I've never de-clawed mine, and never will. I've also known de-clawed cats that appear to have no issues whatsoever. I'd surely never remove the vocal cords of a dog of mine - after all, I do view the ability to bark as one of the central reasons we keep dogs. That said, there's this little shiatzu of a dog a couple doors down that barks at every goddamned thing that moves, sometimes for ten hours a day. You know what? I wouldn't complain if it was made to shut up, just like I didn't complain when it had its balls forcefully removed.

It's not something I would do, and I would think less of an owner for it; a proper owner would have a properly cared for dog. But you know what? Human comfort goes first.

/no, I don't think it should be illegal for a dog to bark in a neighborhood; I'm reasonable
 
2012-11-14 12:08:19 PM

supayoda: Burglars tend to ignore house alarms, as they'll typically have at least around 30-45 minutes to get whatever they like depending on where you live and whether or not your neighbors respond. If you have an intimidating bark or two on the other side of the door, however, they'll think twice about whether or not they want to take a chance on getting bitten.


v016o.popscreen.com
 
2012-11-14 12:10:28 PM

Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.


I don't know. My mom's torti probably would have benefited from being declawed. She's nine years old and still gets her claws caught in things. She sounds like velcro when she dashes at full speed across the carpet, too. (When she was a kitten she'd get a claw caught mid-dash and actually flip herself.) She's a smart cat otherwise, but I doubt she'll ever develop any claw sense. As she's agoraphobic, and 100% indoor cat, she might actually do better without her front claws.

But she still has hers, and continues to be a velcro kitty. C'est la vie.

With cats and declawing, I figure it's a case-by-case basis. But seriously, there's no reason to "devocalize" a dog unless it has some sort of throat cancer.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:24 PM

for good or for awesome: trappedspirit: It's called personification. It's a good thing to learn to recognize before it gets out of control.

You sound like my dog.


I'll just leave this: Link
 
2012-11-14 12:26:15 PM

Onkel Buck: sign


We taught our dogs to respond to hand signals.
 
2012-11-14 12:29:36 PM

ModernPrimitive01: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 842x626]
I threaten to cut his vocal cords sometimes. A Basset Hound bark in a house is crazy loud


Beagles can be as bad. CSB: My fiancee's father has two beagles. At one point we were staying in his house, I got up in the middle of the night to pee and one didn't recognize me. So that one starts baying, and then the other one starts. Holy hell, that's loud, 'specially when I'm half asleep and trying to get them to stop so they won't wake everyone else up.
 
2012-11-14 12:44:59 PM
If you can't get your dog to stop barking, It doesn't respect you and you probably shouldn't be owning a dog, because you clearly cannot train or control it.
 
2012-11-14 12:59:02 PM

fluffy2097: If you can't get your dog to stop barking, It doesn't respect you and you probably shouldn't be owning a dog, because you clearly cannot train or control it.


There's a fine line between training a dog and breaking it. Sure, by the book, my dogs should follow me outside instead of leading. But they're bird dogs, bred for countless generations to run ahead and flush out birds. Should I break them of this habit?
Of course my dogs have each other, and don't really bark that much. But they live in a completely different sensory realm than we do, so I often don't know what they're responding to.
 
2012-11-14 12:59:08 PM

jakrabit: GoldSpider: jakrabit: We adopted a dachshund... 7 years old, and barks constantly... Annoying as hell. I would never take that from her. Some days, I've thought about it.

You must live in the townhouse a few units down from me.

The wife has been working with her since we got her... About a year and a half. She's much better. Except at 3 am when an owl farts.

If you hear "LOU, SHUT THE FARK UP", occasionally, then we're neighbors.

~
~
Oh I get it. *You* are the owl. That took me about 4 goes and a fair bit of frowning. And that's only to get your comment to a point where it made any sense as being made up of coherent sentences. Then I had to figure out the hidden meaning. I even checked your handle to see if you were Indubitably, no shiat.
 
2012-11-14 01:11:37 PM

freetomato: The neighbor behind me has a Husky that I have never, in 6 years, heard make a peep. As the neighbor is a completed dickhead, I woudln't be surprised if he maimed his dog this way.


Huskies aren't much for barking. Neither are dogs like border collies and Australian shepherds. I've had three Aussies, none of them bark much at all. Even if a stranger comes to the door, all they do is bark a few times to alert you, then back off.

The worst dogs I've seen for barking are hound dogs (beagles and others) and Labs. Labs are so stupid, they will stand in a yard and bark mindlessly at nothing for hours. Oh, but they're great dogs!! Any dog that barks like that is not a "great dog", I don't care what kind of temperament it has. And hound dogs just love to bay. It's fun to listen to them out in the woods, but not so much when they live next door.

And yes, it is OK to neuter your dogs. They don't sit around and cry while cupping their genitals, like all you guys do because your mom had you circumcised when you were two days old. Because they don't think like us, see--the dog or cat doesn't sit around thinking about all that pussy he's missing because his owner mistreated him.

You people who are so proud of your dog's nuts are weird, anyway. Like the guy who has to take his un-neutered pit bull everywhere he goes to show what a bad ass he is.
 
2012-11-14 01:20:00 PM

cryinoutloud: Huskies aren't much for barking. Neither are dogs like border collies and Australian shepherds. I've had three Aussies, none of them bark much at all. Even if a stranger comes to the door, all they do is bark a few times to alert you, then back off.


My Border Collie loves to bark, but usually as a response to something else barking - and when he gets started he has no intention on stopping.
 
2012-11-14 01:23:06 PM

Harry Freakstorm: We were looking in to this. My neighbor is complaining about my dogs. They're just three doxies who learned to bark at everything. But I can't seem find a reputable vet who will cut out the vocal chords of my neighbor.

The one guy that I found wanted the patient's permission to perform the operations. I brought him in unconscious. Now you want me to wake him up. Chloroform doesn't grow on trees, Doc. The guy on Craigslist wasn't really a vet but agreed to make a house call. Too bad we were outside the range of his ankle bracelet.


My favs list, welcome to it.
 
2012-11-14 01:25:09 PM
As regards the article, only subhumans who can't be bothered to train and/or take care of their dogs would do that to them, IMHO. Get a stuffie, that's just about all you are able for. I feel the same about declawing cats and bobbing the ears and tails of show dogs too. It's mutilation for the human's convenience, or to make money on the dog.

Having said that, I do think that spaying and neutering is a good idea. 1/10 for consistency... but I do note that spaying and neutering does extend the life of the animal, and any declawed cats I have seen are all batshiat crazy and hate people. I haven't seen any debarked dogs that I am aware of; I'm not really sure what I would say to the owners who had that done to the dog.

While I don't like dogs at all, and my neighborhood is full of irresponsible dog owners who leave their animals out in all weather without shelter and let them bark all day and night, I realize it's not the dog's fault.
 
2012-11-14 01:27:38 PM

cryinoutloud: Labs are so stupid, they will stand in a yard and bark mindlessly at nothing for hours. Oh, but they're great dogs!! Any dog that barks like that is not a "great dog", I don't care what kind of temperament it has.


Labs, man. The dumb blonde of the dog world.
 
2012-11-14 01:31:48 PM

KatjaMouse: cryinoutloud: Labs are so stupid, they will stand in a yard and bark mindlessly at nothing for hours. Oh, but they're great dogs!! Any dog that barks like that is not a "great dog", I don't care what kind of temperament it has.

Labs, man. The dumb blonde of the dog world.


I'll put Cocker Spaniels in competition for that title. Love sponges, but dumb as a box of rocks.
 
2012-11-14 01:59:29 PM
I have 6 front-declawed cats. Three were done by me before I really knew anything about it - my vet just sort of offered it with the neutering, said it wasn't that big of a deal, and it seemed like a good idea. Three I rescued/adopted that way.

Not a one has a behavioural problem. All tear-ass around the house, not a limp or a sigh among them. They are sweet, mild-mannered dog-cats (they will mob you for pats if you come over and show the slightest interest in them). I wouldn't do it if I got another kitten (NO MORE CATS), but I do admit to actively seeking de-clawed cats at shelters. It does make life easier, although those claw caps are pretty cool too. I trim the back claws of all in residence because slidey hardwood floors mark up with cat claws pretty quickly in the kitty drag races if you don't trim. The part-mountain lion tortie gets claw caps because she will eat your face if you try to trim her up.
 
2012-11-14 02:02:01 PM

Civchic: have 6 front-declawed cats. Three were done by me before I really knew anything about it - my vet just sort of offered it with the neutering, said it wasn't that big of a deal, and it seemed like a good idea. Three I rescued/adopted that way.


Oh, and they never, ever, ever, EVER go outside. Except the big Persian. He likes to be walked on a leash.
 
2012-11-14 02:27:24 PM
"Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read."
-Groucho Marx.
 
2012-11-14 02:34:10 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: crzybtch: But until you have lived next door to a serial barker, you cannot imagine how farking annoying it is!

I've lived right next door to people who kept their large dogs outdoors all the time, and those dogs barked constantly.

That is just as much a failure on the part of its owner as debarking the damn thing would have been.


Yeah, but at least if it was debarked the neighbor with the quiet indoor cat (me) wouldn't have to listen to it 24/7!

And I knew a debarked dog and he still thought he could bark and he did all the time but the difference was not everyone had to listen to it! He would stand at the window and smack his jaws together like a fiend, but the point is that he still got to live their instead of going to the pound!
 
2012-11-14 02:49:55 PM
You see, this is why Obamacare is going to threaten all of us. I heard they are going to have "devocalizing" panels that are going to make decisions about taking the bark from your fluffy little fido. It will make burglarizing your house easier and is part of Lord and Master's new wealth distribution plan. That and taking all our guns so we can't protect ourselves from the raping and pillaging hoards.
/seriously.
//hey at least I didn't call him Fartbongo
 
2012-11-14 02:53:28 PM

ChipNASA: You see, this is why Obamacare is going to threaten all of us. I heard they are going to have "devocalizing" panels that are going to make decisions about taking the bark from your fluffy little fido. It will make burglarizing your house easier and is part of Lord and Master's new wealth distribution plan. That and taking all our guns so we can't protect ourselves from the raping and pillaging hoards.
/seriously.
//hey at least I didn't call him Fartbongo


Heh. Dogs are property and legal to own. So are guns.
 
2012-11-14 03:10:30 PM

simplicimus: ChipNASA: You see, this is why Obamacare is going to threaten all of us. I heard they are going to have "devocalizing" panels that are going to make decisions about taking the bark from your fluffy little fido. It will make burglarizing your house easier and is part of Lord and Master's new wealth distribution plan. That and taking all our guns so we can't protect ourselves from the raping and pillaging hoards.
/seriously.
//hey at least I didn't call him Fartbongo

Heh. Dogs are property and legal to own. So are guns.


/one......
//bring it.
-12/10
 
2012-11-14 03:14:21 PM
One of our dogs had her vocal cords clipped by the previous owner. The scar tissue from this has left her with permanent breathing difficulties. Vets have to use special procedures to anesthetize her for dental treatments. And even though she has not been able to make a sound since she was a puppy, fifteen years later, she's still trying. She does have an expressive range of grunts and heavy breathing to affect some communication. And, of course, coming up and raising a paw always get her set up on a lap and pet until she falls asleep.

Cutting cords is not without risk. And it is especially dangerous in small breeds like our chihuahua.
 
2012-11-14 03:15:47 PM

ChipNASA: simplicimus: ChipNASA: You see, this is why Obamacare is going to threaten all of us. I heard they are going to have "devocalizing" panels that are going to make decisions about taking the bark from your fluffy little fido. It will make burglarizing your house easier and is part of Lord and Master's new wealth distribution plan. That and taking all our guns so we can't protect ourselves from the raping and pillaging hoards.
/seriously.
//hey at least I didn't call him Fartbongo

Heh. Dogs are property and legal to own. So are guns.

/one......
//bring it.
-12/10


Ok, Obama has a dog. Never heard it bark, though. And he many people with guns around him and his family.
 
2012-11-14 03:27:27 PM
Jesus Christ, the comments are a train wreck. 10 comments in and it turned into some BS about Obama.
 
2012-11-14 03:36:09 PM

sodomizer: Most people buy a dog, put it in a cage, take it out once a day to walk it (if it's lucky, otherwise it gets let out in the yard) and hope the kids play with it.

The dog is bored, ignored, alone and generally feels valueless. Nicer dogs tend to withdraw and/or die young, but more attention-needy dogs tend to bark a lot until the neighbors poison them with antifreeze.

This is what I've seen in America's suburbs.


That kind of thing does happen, but the fact you think that is true for "most" suburban dogs says more about your cynicism than anything else. I'm a real estate appraiser and see all kinds of homes and pets. The majority of pets are well kept and loved, though I would say that's true by a slender margin. On average they are BEST taken care of in suburbia, worst in slums (barrios, ghettos, trailer parks), and somewhere in the middle for urban homes (high rises etc.)

Rural dogs, though in some cases free range and gloriously happy, also include some of the most abused and neglected.
 
2012-11-14 03:37:14 PM
But circumcision is just farking fine, right?

/popcorn!
 
2012-11-14 03:39:28 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

This. It takes all of ten minutes to clip my cat's nails. And scratching posts are cheap.


If these procedures increase the number of people who are able/willing to house pets, rather than letting those pets sit in shelters, is it really harmful? Would a cat be "better off" being declawed and living in a normal home with a family, or keeping its claws and living in a cage at a shelter or with 100 other cats in the home of some obsessive cat-lady? The same question would apply to dogs & de-barking.

Owners are going to fall on spectrum, with some who are willing to go to any length for their pets. That's great. ...but I'd guess the vast majority of people aren't going to fall into that category -- they'll certainly provide care, but also have kids and careers to attend to and just want to minimize the amount of work that goes into the pet (and repairing the furniture).

/ own no pets
 
2012-11-14 03:40:46 PM

nonvideas: But circumcision is just farking fine, right?


Wrong thread.
 
2012-11-14 03:41:38 PM

jshine: nonvideas: But circumcision is just farking fine, right?

Wrong thread.


Not for long!
 
2012-11-14 04:02:53 PM

nonvideas: But circumcision is just farking fine, right?

/popcorn!


I needed to circumcise my dog so he could have a bark-mitvah.
 
2012-11-14 04:10:53 PM

crzybtch: had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger


I think I see your problem.
 
2012-11-14 04:38:16 PM

nymersic: lolumadbro: beagle

Beagles generally fall among the smarter majority of dogs.

But dogs, of all breeds, are just like humans - some are brighter than others; some have difficulty learning; some have difficulty developing proper social behavior; some have difficulty taking orders; some love the sound of their own voice...
... some are just plain retarded.

Some are geniuses!


Distressed, borderline suicidal/caninecidal owner of an 18 month old beagle here. The dog is very smart...will dance in a circle on his hind legs on command, recognizes people on sight alone, i.e. looking through the window, as examples. The problem: zero, and I mean zero, impulse control. Whether it's barking, bolting the yard, stealing food, whatever. He knows he shouldn't and he knows he's going to be in trouble before he's even found out or told to stop. But he just can't help himself and after he gets scolded, he puts on the Snoopy face and he gets to live another day, because no one can be mad at Snoopy. And he knows it.
 
2012-11-14 04:55:44 PM
Can we make it a requirement of dog ownership? I might finally be able to sleep all night. All dog owners must have hearing problems if they can sleep through the hours of barking their dogs do.
 
2012-11-14 05:53:19 PM

HailRobonia: nonvideas: But circumcision is just farking fine, right?

/popcorn!

I needed to circumcise my dog so he could have a bark-mitvah.


Where did you find a willing mohel?
 
2012-11-14 06:40:02 PM
Me, I have the best (or the worst, depending on your viewpoint) of both worlds--a 14lb (all muscle, of note, NOT overweight) Siamese mix who is not declawed, occasionally forgets to let go of the carpet when attempting to get the Red Dot (and loses general claw sense when playing with toys, though fortunately not with humans), took some work to get her to scratch appropriate places (she's one of those cats that prefers the feel of sisal and carpet to bark and the usual disposable scratching posts), AND is incredibly vocal (to the point she is sometimes reminded "Callate la boca, gata" if she's being particularly obnoxious--especially if food, skitchies, or play do not solve the obnoxiousness).

Oh, and I'm also firmly convinced she thinks she is a dog and the kitteh DOES attempt to bark and howl. :D We joke that she was somehow raised by wolves for the eight weeks before we got her, silly puppy-cat :D

And I would STILL never think of declawing or de-meowing her. I live with it, it's part of what makes her, well, our little derpy cat. At most she'd get the Soft Paws, but fortunately she's good with us trimming her nails and likes carpeted cat trees more than the furniture, especially when said cat tree is impregnated with catnip. :D The meowing...I live with, and occasionally engage her in conversation, because sometimes I'm convinced that she just has something she REALLY wants to get off her chest :D

(I do wish our Maine Coon rescue was as good with getting her claws trimmed, but at least she doesn't trip over her own feet when trying to get the Red Dot and REALLY takes well to the Emery Cat things as well as the aforementioned Cat(nip) Tree. Yes, we trained both kitties from their kitty youth that the furniture is Not Acceptable Claim-For-Cat-By-Scratching-It material. :D)
 
2012-11-14 07:24:55 PM

abhorrent1: Yeah, that's not a nice thing to do to the poor puppies. declawing cats is still okay though.


No, it still sucks and IMO cruel. I volunteer at a rescue and we get several cats back each year because they started going outside of the litterbox. In about 95% of the cases, Fluffy was just declawed.

Don't think I would be too keen on pawing around rough gravel and rocks after chopping the tips of my fingers off either :(
 
2012-11-14 07:31:21 PM

HeartBurnKid: dittybopper: Mugato: abhorrent1: declawing cats

Declawing cats is a farked up practice.

Meh.

I have had cats that were declawed, and I've had cats that weren't. Currently, I have both: A 9 year old female that isn't declawed, a 1 year old female that is, and a male kitten that isn't and won't be*. For an inside cat, I don't have a problem with it so long as it's done when they are young. I haven't noticed *ANY* significant difference in behavior either way.

*Signed a contract for that one saying we wouldn't declaw, and my word is my bond.

I have a declawed cat (not by me, by his previous owner), and I've noticed some odd behaviors on his part. He treads very carefully on his front paws, for example, and licks them often. It makes me think they always hurt.

Just because you don't notice these signs, doesn't mean they aren't there. Cats are very, very good at hiding pain.


Some of it might be nerve pain. Declawing also messes with the tendons and ligaments at the end of their "fingers" so lots of times, it can affect how they walk and put pressure on their feet. It might not be pain at the amputation site but he might be reacting to scar tissue and what not pulling on the muscles in this forearm.

Think of it like having your leg in a cast. Can throw your whole posture and gait off and makes everything else hurt.
 
2012-11-14 07:34:10 PM

MythDragon: Greek: There's a non- surgical method now of de- barking a dog. Works pretty well. It's called "train the farking animal properly, or don't get a dog, you dumb shiat!"

Same goes for declawing a cat. Even an indoor one- the declawing process actually involves amputating the first knuckle from each paw. Cats often develop behavioral problems as a result. Contrary to popular belief, cats can be trained. It takes a bit more effort than it does with a dog, but it's possible. Provide lots of natural- feeling scratching surfaces, such as sisal rope door hangers, LONG cardboard scratchers, and scratching posts covered either in sisal or natural bark. Put them near the places they like to scratch, and squirt them with water when they try to scratch inappropriately, and give them a treat when they scratch something they should. Also, keeping their claws trimmed if they're an indoor cat helps a lot, too.

But this stuff all takes a little work, and some people are too lazy. These people shouldn't have pets. Or children, for that matter.

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These work quite well and last for about a month. Then you clip the claws and re-apply. The cat gets to scratch, but nothing gets damaged. And anger swipes no longer hurt.
Plus look how pelased that cat is with her pretty pink nails.


These things are AWESOME! I used them on my cat when I was in college (landlord had a declaw policy but let me use these because he was curious as well). I could usually get them to last about 6 weeks each time on her (and she was still a kitten to young adult at the time so they took a beating). I stopped using them when I moved back home. The weird thing is, she was so used to them being on that even now, she doesn't extend her claws when stretching on the furniture. Its almost like habit or something......
 
2012-11-14 09:24:19 PM

NephilimNexus: Ok so deliberately using selective breeding to turn this...

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Into this...

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... is fine, but using surgery on an annoying dog so that it doesn't keep the entire neighborhood awake at 3am is considered unacceptable?

You people are screwed up.


When you put it that way, the "devocalization" surgery is just adding injury to insult.

And seriously, why do people do stuff like dye their poodles? They're one of the smartest dog breeds out there, and they're made to look like idiots.
 
2012-11-14 10:12:14 PM
ruff ruff ruff ,,, *sigh*
 
2012-11-14 10:23:01 PM

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Really, really sad episode.
 
2012-11-14 10:27:28 PM
Dogs are easily trained not to bark annoyingly.

To do so, you have to be smarter than your dog.
 
2012-11-14 10:49:25 PM
Have people never heard of training. It took me all of a week to stop my dog's excessive barking. She still barks when someone comes to the door because I want her to do that.
 
2012-11-14 11:20:23 PM
Karma Curmudgeon: Distressed, borderline suicidal/caninecidal owner of an 18 month old beagle here. The dog is very smart...will dance in a circle on his hind legs on command, recognizes people on sight alone, i.e. looking through the window, as examples. The problem: zero, and I mean zero, impulse control. Whether it's barking, bolting the yard, stealing food, whatever. He knows he shouldn't and he knows he's going to be in trouble before he's even found out or told to stop. But he just can't help himself and after he gets scolded, he puts on the Snoopy face and he gets to live another day, because no one can be mad at Snoopy. And he knows it.

I can tell you how to train your dog to stop those unwanted behaviors. If you're still reading this thread, respond to this post and I'll explain the method.
 
2012-11-15 12:48:56 AM
These people deserve jail time for animal cruelty. If I ever found out of anyone doing this I knew I'd curb stomp their throat. This is even far worse than declawing a cat. By leaps and bounds. What the hell is wrong with people?
 
2012-11-15 12:57:02 AM
My cat wails like a banshee when she gets put in the carrier to go to the vet. She made my wife cry once through volume and tone. When she's home she'll sometimes wander around at night and call out very loudly, just looking for dad. Sometimes, yes, I want her to be quiet when she wants to talk. I solve that problem by finding out what she wants, whether it's dinner, for me to clean her litter box out, playtime, or just some love. I'd never hurt her meowbox and certainly not because it inconvenienced me.

She's also a fully clawed and fully indoor cat. She scratches things she shouldn't, gets scolded and doesn't do it again for a few weeks (repeat process).

My in-laws adopted a sweet little black kitten and had her declawed within three months. I lost a lot of respect for them on that day. People who alter their pets because they're too lazy to train them or, you know, pay attention to them bother me.

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2012-11-15 03:29:02 AM
250 + comments and no one pointed out that his bite is now worse than his bark?

I have a 90lb Mastiff/Boxer and live in Chicago. His bark could save my arse .
 
2012-11-15 04:15:31 AM

rkelley25: 250 + comments and no one pointed out that his bite is now worse than his bark?

I have a 90lb Mastiff/Boxer and live in Chicago. His bark could save my arse .


I have an 80 lb English and a 30 lb Cocker Spaniel. The only reason they bark at strangers is because they didn't get the opportunity to sniff them. But the noise is enough is enough to scare strangers off.
 
2012-11-15 05:23:24 AM
I don't care why your dog is barking- it just pisses me off. I've had neighbors with dogs around me for over twenty years, and they bark almost every day. I've lost track of how many times I've called the police, because the problem rarely ends on the first visit. For some reason, most dog owners just don't care that their precious little bundle of fur is annoying the crap out of their neighbors. Why this constant barking doesn't bother THEM is beyond my comprehension.
 
2012-11-15 09:14:35 AM
moar basset hound pictures you bastards!!!
 
2012-11-15 09:24:45 AM

Liese: crzybtch: had a cat that was 50% tabby and %50 percent minature tiger

I think I see your problem.


hahaha and she was the runt of the litter too, could fit one hand. She never got over 6.5 pounds, but she was a cuddly baby one minute and a crazed crackhead the next. Smart too. She NEVER clawed furniture when I wasn't home, but obviously spent a good part of the day shredding everything I own while I was at work. When I would trim her nails short she would use her teeth.

And once she got a good hole going she would start pulling stuffing. One time I came home to about a thousand little white balls all over the place and all over her....never did get another bean bag chair after that.

But the thing was that she was cute as hell and funny too. When you talked to her she would meow back like she was having a conversation. She fetched toys like a dog. No insect lived more than 10 minutes in the house. She always knew if I was sad or mad about something and would crawl up on my lap and look me in the eye and meow with a question mark on the end. She would growl like a dog if someone was in the yard or at the door. I miss her a lot. She would have been the PERFECT cat if she had been declawed. lol
 
2012-11-15 09:14:14 PM
Could y'all with kids please de-vocalize them, too? Or do I have to do it?
 
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