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2012-11-14 05:44:39 AM
Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.
 
2012-11-14 06:29:50 AM

TenJed_77: Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.


I particularly like the part where he calls on fellow Republicans to ignore intelligent people. At this point, I can only assume it's a secret Democratic plant because anything else seems like an absurd reality.
 
2012-11-14 08:02:32 AM

Bontesla: TenJed_77: Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.

I particularly like the part where he calls on fellow Republicans to ignore intelligent people. At this point, I can only assume it's a secret Democratic plant because anything else seems like an absurd reality.


I don't know, wasn't it Rick Santorum who said something along the lines of "look, we're never going to get the smart people"? It's as if they are actually full speed ahead anti-intellectual.
 
2012-11-14 08:14:39 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 08:16:40 AM
Stage Three: Barganing
 
2012-11-14 08:25:03 AM
"Just because your side won a decisive election, don't think this means you get to control the legislative agenda!"
 
2012-11-14 08:30:38 AM
I wonder how massive the butthurt would be if democrats actuallly WERE left wing.
 
2012-11-14 08:33:32 AM
www.meh.ro
 
2012-11-14 08:36:13 AM
i595.photobucket.com

Op op op op, oppan butthurt style.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:35 AM
FTFA: ...the "smart" people...

/glad they are sticking up for the other side
 
2012-11-14 08:40:44 AM
THIS is what Republicans REALLY believe.
 
2012-11-14 08:41:14 AM
Apparently, while I was sleeping, the Left Wing took over the Presidency of this country. Go figure.
 
2012-11-14 08:45:20 AM
I like reading these stories alongside the ones about how the GOP is moderating and has a grand vision for expanding the party.

At some point they'll have to calculate that abandoning their current base is the only path forward, but they just aren't there yet.
 
2012-11-14 08:45:27 AM
American Stinker: stinking up America's fading Democracy as fast as it can.
 
2012-11-14 08:45:42 AM
Paul Revere... even American Thinker's audience is ashamed to be associated with American Thinker.

/ I'm pretty sure most AT articles submitted to Fark are written by Farkers who submit their own shiat
 
2012-11-14 08:46:04 AM

nekom: Bontesla: TenJed_77: Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.

I particularly like the part where he calls on fellow Republicans to ignore intelligent people. At this point, I can only assume it's a secret Democratic plant because anything else seems like an absurd reality.

I don't know, wasn't it Rick Santorum who said something along the lines of "look, we're never going to get the smart people"? It's as if they are actually full speed ahead anti-intellectual.



Rick Santorum: stay frothy, my friends.
 
2012-11-14 08:47:41 AM
That's cute. If the Left had even a prominent voice, much less a majority in anything, the right-wingers in both parties would make sure to quash it. See Kucinich, Dennis and the art of gerrymandering in Ohio if you don't believe me.
 
2012-11-14 08:48:12 AM
It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!
 
2012-11-14 08:48:15 AM
Senate, Presidency, AND nearly half-a-million more people voted for a Democratic member of the House than for a Republican one*, biatches.

*: True story... due to the current districting map the Repubs hold 55% of the seats, but got fewer votes than Dems.
 
2012-11-14 08:49:40 AM

Linux_Yes: American Stinker: stinking up America's fading Democracy as fast as it can.


You seem really smart.
 
2012-11-14 08:50:20 AM
It would help this country to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Democratic party. The shame is that the Republicans have gone so off the deep end that they have lost all credibility.

Thinking about it, given the events of the Reagan/Bush years, it would also have helped to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Republican party.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:59 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


It says, "I'm drunk at the tavern, could you pick me up?"
 
2012-11-14 08:52:27 AM
I also love this ongoing two-faced meltdown the right is having.

Why won't those jerkface stinking liberal moochers who want America to fail and only voted for the president because he's near and going to give the urbans free stuff just sit down and bargain with us in good faith on issues we've said we won't budge on!?. It's all their fault!
 
2012-11-14 08:52:34 AM

Psychohazard: It would help this country to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Democratic party. The shame is that the Republicans have gone so off the deep end that they have lost all credibility.

Thinking about it, given the events of the Reagan/Bush years, it would also have helped to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Republican party.


Until the President and Congress are willing to engage in honest reform of defense spending and Medicare, it's all just political masturbation. No matter what letter comes after their name.
 
2012-11-14 08:53:12 AM
This is real similar to; Who cares what the independent pollsters think? We can use our own stats that say this is a close race.

//Reality has little impact on those who rely on their own bias
 
2012-11-14 08:53:44 AM

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]


Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.
 
2012-11-14 08:53:50 AM
Merkin
Stinker
 
2012-11-14 08:56:42 AM

born_yesterday: Until the President and Congress are willing to engage in honest reform of defense spending and Medicare, it's all just political masturbation. No matter what letter comes after their name.


You can disapprove it if you want, but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. To suggest that the two are the same is absurd.

You may not agree that the democrats' approach is the right approach, but at least it's an approach, as opposed to republicans who continually run on fiscal conservatism then actually add trillions to the deficit with stupid shiat like unfunded wars and a Medicare expansion that doesn't hold any of its costs in check. 

One side may not have the best idea, but the other side is actively lying about theirs.
 
2012-11-14 08:58:28 AM
I'm gonna pull a prediction out of my ass here:

Obama and Democratic-majority Senate battle with House Republicans over fiscal policy

Stock markets get nervous about impending automatic tax increases and loss of government cheese flowing to the economy mandated by sequestration.

Bond markets and rating agencies are all "These guys won't compromise to get shiat done. WTF is their problem?" Treasury yields rise, dollar falls, rating agency perhaps downgrades US debt again.

Wharrgarbl ensues. "0bama's socialism has wrecked our credit rating AGAIN!" "Republicans want to starve babies and seniors!"

/and when the talking heads and hucksters are urging people to cash out their 401(k)s to buy gold, I will be buying shares on the cheap
//worked great for me in 2008, what could possibly go wrong this time? 
///yeah, I know... this time it's different
 
2012-11-14 08:59:58 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

THE NI66ER IS COMING! THE Ni66ER IS COMING!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-14 09:00:01 AM
Ok. So when GOP members start attaching riders and other amendments to funnel money back to their constituents, why doesn't Obama break out his vetoing pen? See, the Republican base doesn't like the government until it starts sending THEM a check.
 
2012-11-14 09:01:46 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


ecx.images-amazon.com

You mean the keyboardist for Paul Revere & the Raiders? What's he doing writing for AT?

/i guess kicks DO keep getting harder to find
 
2012-11-14 09:03:48 AM
FTFA: "First, hold to no tax increases in the New Year, except to let the payroll tax holiday expire."

Uh....wasn't there some other 'tax holiday' that people want to expire?

"Conservatives and Republicans in the Senate and House should ignore these so-called "smart" people completely and utterly."

Yeah, cause ignoring smart people worked so well for you on election day.

Keep talking.
 
2012-11-14 09:04:15 AM
Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!
 
2012-11-14 09:04:46 AM
The point of representation is to impose your will upon as many people as such people will allow.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:08 AM
And THIS is the reason you are losing...
 
2012-11-14 09:06:19 AM
American Potato with some riveting analysis of the current state of hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2012-11-14 09:06:39 AM

kumanoki: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]

Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.


THIS. As a third, it's sinking down to the level of Coulter.
 
2012-11-14 09:07:08 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: born_yesterday: Until the President and Congress are willing to engage in honest reform of defense spending and Medicare, it's all just political masturbation. No matter what letter comes after their name.

You can disapprove it if you want, but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. To suggest that the two are the same is absurd.

You may not agree that the democrats' approach is the right approach, but at least it's an approach, as opposed to republicans who continually run on fiscal conservatism then actually add trillions to the deficit with stupid shiat like unfunded wars and a Medicare expansion that doesn't hold any of its costs in check. 

One side may not have the best idea, but the other side is actively lying about theirs.


Oh, I'm completely with you on taxes. At the very least, allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire.

However, I recall watching a CSPAN panel discussion on the Pentagon's procurement process. Long story short, we could make significant cuts to defense spending by changing the process without any decrease in the amount of equipment produced. In addition, it is thought that this would also lead to BETTER equipment being produced. Funny, when you make a jet or machine gun in one place, instead of across ten different congressional districts, they tend to be constructed better and at a lower cost.

Similarly, there is no incentive under the current system to improve Medicare. As long as providers can charge cost + X%, with no price competition, health care costs will continue to rise, as will the cost of Medicare coverage.

So please note that I said these systems need to be reformed. Although I support taxes for these programs as well as other "entitlement" programs (if for no other reason than deficit reduction and paying for two wars), the system is rotten at its core, and more money won't fix that.

/Hope I don't sound argumentative
//Or like some sort of Teabagger
 
2012-11-14 09:07:10 AM
Close the bubble around you, you will feel better.
 
2012-11-14 09:07:36 AM

chance4510: Uh....wasn't there some other 'tax holiday' that people want to expire?


That's a permanent tax cut that is only temporarily temporary.
 
2012-11-14 09:08:13 AM
cry moar
 
2012-11-14 09:08:24 AM
Yes, yes... This is exactly the position I hope the GOP continues to put forth in the coming months and years.
 
2012-11-14 09:09:13 AM

kumanoki: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]

Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.


At least he's not posting pictures from the hurdles event.
 
2012-11-14 09:09:14 AM
Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?
 
2012-11-14 09:10:05 AM
i1151.photobucket.com
Wait! I think she's getting tired and slowing down!
 
2012-11-14 09:11:38 AM
So anything to the sinister side of forced pregnancy, racial purity and oligarchy is FAR LEFT.

Say, what about that massive bubble in the middle of FAR RIGHT and FAR LEFT? Why it looks just like a bell.
 
2012-11-14 09:12:07 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


I believe some have moved on to anger, as you can see in some of the blogs linked on this thread that have now taken a tone of, "FINE, YOU STUPID POOPY VOTERS!!! SEE IF I CARE THAT YOU DUMB POOPY VOTERS MADE SUCH A DUMB, POOPY DECISION!!! YOU'LL BE SORRY!!!"
 
2012-11-14 09:12:18 AM
They're just going to keep going on like this, aren't they?
 
2012-11-14 09:12:39 AM

Nurglitch: kumanoki: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]

Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.

THIS. As a third, it's sinking down to the level of Coulter.


thirded, if we can't get political correctness on the politics tab where can we get it? now excuse me while I make a joke about extreme poverty in Africa. 
i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-14 09:12:50 AM

Lawnchair: Senate, Presidency, AND nearly half-a-million more people voted for a Democratic member of the House than for a Republican one*, biatches.

*: True story... due to the current districting map the Repubs hold 55% of the seats, but got fewer votes than Dems.


Someone here claimed that was a silly way of looking at things, but couldn't be bothered to explain why when I asked.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:44 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".
 
2012-11-14 09:15:13 AM
You know, generally speaking, if your party has lost to a candidate already, you would think you would run someone better the second time around if you expected to have a chance of winning.
 
2012-11-14 09:15:41 AM
What happened to all of the fark "independents".......surely there must be someone left to troll help articulate the authors sound reasoning.
 
2012-11-14 09:15:52 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: oligarchy


You misspelled "oligarhy".

/pet peave
 
2012-11-14 09:16:03 AM

Parthenogenetic: rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

THE NI66ER IS COMING! THE Ni66ER IS COMING!


I thought Paul Revere was telling the British they were not going to take our guns away.

//got my news from Palin
 
2012-11-14 09:16:17 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".


Wasn't that where they were before the election?
 
2012-11-14 09:16:39 AM
FTA: Republicans and conservatives need to ignore the temptation to blame Obama

BURN THE HERETIC
 
2012-11-14 09:17:23 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".


They've clearly reached stage Potato
 
2012-11-14 09:19:22 AM

nekom: Bontesla: TenJed_77: Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.

I particularly like the part where he calls on fellow Republicans to ignore intelligent people. At this point, I can only assume it's a secret Democratic plant because anything else seems like an absurd reality.

I don't know, wasn't it Rick Santorum who said something along the lines of "look, we're never going to get the smart people"? It's as if t

They are actually full speed ahead anti-intellectual. 

There...

This is a party that actively want to prevent their children from learning science and history because they want to "raise them to believe" just in the same way they were "raised to believe".
 
2012-11-14 09:19:53 AM
 
2012-11-14 09:20:15 AM

un4gvn666: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: oligarchy

You misspelled "oligarhy".

/pet peave


cubiyanqui.files.wordpress.com

"Fartbongo bin Muslin al Hadj stole mah 'C'."
 
2012-11-14 09:20:32 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


One thing's for sure: they will never, EVER reach Acceptance.
 
2012-11-14 09:22:58 AM

monoski: Parthenogenetic: rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

THE NI66ER IS COMING! THE Ni66ER IS COMING!


I thought Paul Revere was telling the British they were not going to take our guns away.

//got my news from Palin


I got a 30 day ban from Wikipedia for adding Mrs. Palin's deep historical insights to the Paul Revere page.

I see that Conservapedia has documented the veracity of her claim, though. Bully for them.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:33 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

One thing's for sure: they will never, EVER reach Acceptance.


Oh no, they will accept that they dislike Obama.
 
2012-11-14 09:27:52 AM
"The Left" has two seats. And no one cares what they think.
 
2012-11-14 09:27:56 AM
So waht?

Let's ask mister impotent no-chinned minority leader Mitch "turtle man" McConnell!
 
2012-11-14 09:29:21 AM
We have a revenue and war spending problem. We also have a psychotic libertarian problem. Get us out of these wars and ship all American Libertarian to Somalia where they can have no taxes and all the guns they can steal.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-14 09:30:47 AM
compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.
 
2012-11-14 09:33:56 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I like reading these stories alongside the ones about how the GOP is moderating and has a grand vision for expanding the party.

At some point they'll have to calculate that abandoning their current base is the only path forward, but they just aren't there yet.


It's possible to recalibrate without abandoning. I think the last few years leading up to- and the final results of-- the election have been a real eye opener for us more moderate conservatives. Those in the extremis are welcomed to re-tool their views and join us or will find themselves summarily abandoned as the tea party is currently in the midst of.

That being said, it will require fiscally trimming as well as taxation to get out of this mess.
 
2012-11-14 09:34:35 AM
The Republicans hold the House and have de facto control of the Senate. Conservatives rule the Supreme Court. The only thing the Democrats fully control is the Presidency, and they won that on a 2 point popular vote margin. To act like they should just curl up into a fetal position and accept everything the Democrats try to ram down our throats is to deny electoral reality. In all honesty, if the deals don't get made in the next two months, they are not going to get made. We'll be right back to stalemate starting January 20th. Both sides understand this - now it's just a matter of how far Orange Man and Yertle are willing to go (and, more importantly, can convince their caucuses to follow).
 
2012-11-14 09:34:59 AM
FTFA: Niggling on the details is what caused the disasters in April and August of last year, leading to no cuts and bare reductions in the growth of spending. Note that even while compromising to the tune of what the left dictated didn't help Republicans or conservatives in this month's elections, and may have even hurt.

Boehner: "I got 98 percent of what I wanted"

That's some hard core dictatin' . Truly some evil, negotiatin' bastards on the left. Do these idiots not realize that these things can be checked? That statements made to journalists are actually recorded, and don't just float off into the ether as soon as they have dribbled from their lips?
 
2012-11-14 09:35:41 AM
Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT
 
2012-11-14 09:36:08 AM
The article wasn't so bad until it started talking about how to address the situation.
"The threat is the debt, and it is the fault of everyone in Washington for not dealing with it, regardless of party. Playing the blame game will simply distract from dealing with this threat." was not something I expected to see from American Thinker.
"The federal budget has gone up 60% since 2001, and taxes are only low because the economic recovery is weak." was also something I didn't expect to see, it's like the Right is finally admitting that taxes are at historical lows and probably should be higher!

upload.wikimedia.org
This chart shows everything you need to know about deficit and revenue to GDP. Revenue almost solely taxed-based, tariffs are considered a barrier to free trade.
On the spending side, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt interest take up about 10% of the expense to GDP, and defense at around 6 or 7%. Given revenue is at 15% of GDP... You could cut every government program except the entitlements and military spending, and you'd still have a 2% GDP deficit. Austerity, going by what's happening in Europe right now, doesn't work, so...

Farked.
 
2012-11-14 09:36:15 AM

Psychohazard: It would help this country to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Democratic party. The shame is that the Republicans have gone so off the deep end that they have lost all credibility.

Thinking about it, given the events of the Reagan/Bush years, it would also have helped to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Republican party.


Now, I will give credit where it's due though. George H.W. Bush looked at the mess left behind by St. Reagan and went, "f*ck, there goes that campaign promise."

His son? Looked at the upcoming cliff and said, "f*ck it, I want a second term. Let the next guy deal with it."
 
2012-11-14 09:36:32 AM
I love how they say in one breath that conservatives should not compromise in anyway and in the next say that if government shuts down it will be on the president and his allies.

farking morans.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:22 AM

Shaggy_C: ...and have de facto control of the Senate.


Only if the current rules regarding the filibuster are allowed to remain unchanged. Reid has promised to change them. If he doesn't, well, then he's as much at fault as Yertle.
 
2012-11-14 09:42:13 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


"The Quadpods are coming! The Quadpods are coming!"

joshroby.com
 
2012-11-14 09:42:22 AM
$16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.
 
2012-11-14 09:44:05 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.


Nero and his fiddle? we prefer crying eagle.gif
 
2012-11-14 09:45:21 AM

kumanoki: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]

Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.


Some people are of sub-average intelligence and require pictures to either make a point or need a visual cue to get the joke. You know, because calling someone stoopid without a picture of a handicapped person gets lost in the translation somewhere.

Your comment regarding this comparison being disrespectful to the mentally handicapped is more insidious as your "intent" is not to act as an advocate but rather a poor attempt at sarcasm on their expense.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:11 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Only if the current rules regarding the filibuster are allowed to remain unchanged. Reid has promised to change them. If he doesn't, well, then he's as much at fault as Yertle.


Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate! Fark Harry Reid, nothing is going to change as long as that putz is the majority leader. He should bear a huge portion of the shame of the last two years of gridlock - the Republicans are the ones filibustering, but he had the power to stop it and did nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:35 AM

Shaggy_C: The Republicans hold the House and have de facto control of the Senate.


That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:46 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.


If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted.
Nobody's denying that cuts should be made. But taxes must be raised. As I pointed out, if you shaved the budget to the bone, you'd still have a 2% deficit, unless taxes go up. Period.
 
2012-11-14 09:48:15 AM

Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT


Well, there IS one...but it's not really represented in our political stage right now.

We've got Bernie Sanders and...uh...Elizabeth Warren, maybe?
 
2012-11-14 09:50:32 AM
At this point is similar to negotiating with a suicide bomber (the GOP) after you've established a fairly safe perimeter for people. You want to compromise but not to the extent it will endanger more people.
 
2012-11-14 09:51:59 AM

theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.


They literally seem not to understand what the word "compromise" means. They think it means "you give me something that I want, and I won't give you anything you want in return."
 
2012-11-14 09:52:58 AM

mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.


Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.
 
2012-11-14 09:53:28 AM

Lando Lincoln: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Well, there IS one...but it's not really represented in our political stage right now.

We've got Bernie Sanders and...uh...Elizabeth Warren, maybe?


Saw Bernie eat a steak once (not a tofu steak, a real murder-steak), and Liz Warren has never thrown a shoe at Bush. Clearly not lefties.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:56 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


Hey, that dude had the balls to ride around London telling people to "Bring out your dead" during the scourge of the Fartbama Death. Don't you dare disrespect him...
 
2012-11-14 09:57:56 AM

theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.


QFT. Something tells me it's not really about fixing the budget.
 
2012-11-14 09:58:02 AM

jso2897: theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.

They literally seem not to understand what the word "compromise" means. They think it means "you give me something that I want, and I won't give you anything you want in return."


Who was the repub on fox & friends who said "compromise is dems doing what I want them to?"

/my Google-fu is weak today...
 
2012-11-14 09:58:45 AM

Shaggy_C: mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.

Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.


Heh. That Citizens United thing is turning out to be a real ass-biter. A real lesson in "be careful what you wish for". The GOP, of course, will learn nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:59:43 AM
At least he resisted the temptation of blaming shiftless heathen mooching minorities this time.
 
2012-11-14 10:01:13 AM
one word. fulibuster. those lefties didn't get a super majority in the senate. there's going to be some senate records broken in the next 4 years.
 
2012-11-14 10:02:44 AM

not5am: one word. fulibuster. those lefties didn't get a super majority in the senate. there's going to be some senate records broken in the next 4 years.


Assuming Senate Democrats allow the filibuster to continue unmodified.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:58 AM

starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .


I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.
 
2012-11-14 10:07:11 AM

starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted.
Nobody's denying that cuts should be made. But taxes must be raised. As I pointed out, if you shaved the budget to the bone, you'd still have a 2% deficit, unless taxes go up. Period.


Which is why they want to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Then you can have all the defense spending you want.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:23 AM
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2012-11-14 10:09:36 AM

Shaggy_C: mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.

Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.


Neither the Senate Minority or Majority Leaders have any Constitutionally define powers. How you can say the Senate Minority Leader is such a powerful role is beyond me.

I wasn't saying that the DNC controls the SCOTUS, I'm saying that it is a stretch for you to claim the GOP does. In any case, the current crisis is budgetary which minimizes their role anyways.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:00 AM
"smart"

So-called "smart"

S-M-R-T!!!

snort.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:31 AM

Shaggy_C: Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate!


"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."
 
2012-11-14 10:11:00 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.


Apples and oranges; we can't vote your aunt some balls.
 
2012-11-14 10:13:12 AM
The important thing here is not to compromise on what's best for America.

ug.
 
2012-11-14 10:14:14 AM
When are all these people going to move to Canada or Australia, where the taxes are higher, they have gun control and universal healthcare.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:02 AM

Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!


"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:44 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


Budget cuts have removed the last two steps.

However, we can still provide the first three steps and a voucher that allows you to purchase the final two steps on your own, according to your needs, on the Free Market™.
 
2012-11-14 10:20:17 AM

Testiclaw: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

Budget cuts have removed the last two steps.

However, we can still provide the first three steps and a voucher that allows you to purchase the final two steps on your own, according to your needs, on the Free Market™.


No way anybody would take on the burden of THAT pre-existing condition.
 
2012-11-14 10:21:02 AM
Maybe I'm just restating what everyone knows, but it finally hit me: the Obama election win is already discounted by the GOP. First of all, the people who voted for him are a bunch of freeloaders who just want more handouts from the government. This explains how Ryan can pronounce that the election basically has no consequence in terms of raising taxes on the wealthy.

Second, the GOP still has a death grip on the House and the SCOTUS, and can at least neutralize the Senate via filibustering. This should be enough leverage to stall out anything substantive the Dems try to do.

So basically we're trying to walk down the street with a pit bull's jaws clamped to our backside.

Where I work, most of the people are ex-military. The bumper stickers are as you'd probably expect. For instance, there's one that reads "Obama. Not MY President."

I'm in deep cover. I hope.
 
2012-11-14 10:21:24 AM
I'm an old guy, about to start collecting SS. I've worked for the federal government, about five years total experience and private industry, many different jobs but 30 years at the same law firm for the last part of my working life (not counting the substitute teaching I'm doing at present mostly for entertainment purposes). There are ENORMOUS ways to cut the waste in the federal government and I applaud all efforts in this area; however, there is very little in terms of real dollars to cut from that part of the budget. You want to make a real dent in the budget you cut the part of the military budget that builds shiat that is never used and we bring all the troops home from overseas - ALL OF THEM. Let the world police itself. The level of ignorance held by most Americans about how our economy works, and for that matter, how wealthy we are as a nation compared to the rest of the world, should make us ashamed to complaint about anything. We in the US have it pretty darn good. At least until some group of serious terrorists blows up our electric infrastructure. That's when I'll be glad I live on a fairly self-sufficient farm.
 
2012-11-14 10:22:00 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Shaggy_C: Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate!

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."


LOL. I shouldn't have misunderestimated you.
 
2012-11-14 10:23:19 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow to prevent our extremist right to do the talking for us.

FTFM

The freakin' subtleties of the english language...
 
2012-11-14 10:23:55 AM

born_yesterday: /Hope I don't sound argumentative
//Or like some sort of Teabagger


My point is that it's not fair to suggest that both parties are equally to blame. People may not like the solutions offered by the dems, but they are offering solutions. The republicans, on the other hand, have championed the idea of fiscal conservatism for the last thirty years while they have engaged in the practice of running the deficit through the roof.

One party is offering less than entirely popular solutions, the other is just lying to stay in power. These are not equivalent things. To suggest that both parties are to blame for the current state of affairs is absurd.
 
2012-11-14 10:24:18 AM

TheBigJerk: Lawnchair: Senate, Presidency, AND nearly half-a-million more people voted for a Democratic member of the House than for a Republican one*, biatches.

*: True story... due to the current districting map the Repubs hold 55% of the seats, but got fewer votes than Dems.

Someone here claimed that was a silly way of looking at things, but couldn't be bothered to explain why when I asked.


I wondered if maybe it is a silly way of looking at things. My premise for this is based on the rule that every state has at least 1 representative. I figured that most of these underpopulated states are republican and would work as more efficient vote sinks than states with more evenly apportioned representatives. What you're looking at is the number of "disenfranchised voters" as measured by the discrepancy between a states' vote for Obama and percentage of representatives in Obama's party correlated with the number of representatives for people, which ranges from 500,000 in Rhode Island to almost a million in Montana.

i46.tinypic.com 

If there's no positive correlation, it should be flat (which it basically is). There's is a slight positive correlation, but that only represents about 2% of the correlation. If you squint, you could make out a population with strong positive correlation, but it's balanced out by a group with strong negative correlation. So, my conclusion is that some states with high population per rep are efficient voter sinks; some states with low population per rep are efficient voter sinks.

I also saw what we all now know. In the chart below, Republicans are positive Y values; Democrats are negative Y values. The Y-value corresponds to the number of "disenfranchised voters" (x100,000) using my previous criteria. Along the X-axis, I've arranged them from Montana (high pop per rep) to Rhode Island (low pop per rep) and you see that across the board, both sides, in this election, were not equally bad.

i46.tinypic.com

A note on my method for calculating "voter disenfranchisement": obviously it would be better to calculate vote for democratic rep rather than Obama, but it was a lot easier to tabulate Obama's vote. When you actually do the calculation of total disenfranchisement, you get that there were 300,000 more votes cast for democratic party reps. My method calculates 40,000 more votes for democratic party reps. I think that's pretty good given the total number of votes.
 
2012-11-14 10:25:18 AM

born_yesterday: No way anybody would take on the burden of THAT pre-existing condition.


I'm glad you asked!

The five stages of denial will not change if you are currently enrolled on the fourth or fifth steps -our vouchers will go into effect for those on step three or the previous two steps.
 
2012-11-14 10:27:57 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.


Yeah, exactly. Nobody's saying cuts don't have to be made. They do. But you can't cut your way out of the deficit. Taxes need to be raised as well.
But at the end of the day, you have to remember that the boomers are retiring and becoming dependents. Until they die, the USA will have a deficit, barring some sort of extreme measures. It's just something the farked over generations will have to live with.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:59 AM

starsrift: Until they die, the USA will have a deficit, barring some sort of extreme measures. It's just something the farked over generations will have to live with.


SS is solvent until the 2030's.
 
2012-11-14 10:30:57 AM

winterbraid: Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.

Apples and oranges; we can't vote your aunt some balls.


Exactly. We can't VOTE for Clinton era revenue levels either. Let's see how the French do with their new 72% rate. We've dicked this problem around before, what's another year, other than a trillion dollars. Yea, I know a bad MacGowan song also.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:50 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.


You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:51 AM
"Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Indeed.
 
2012-11-14 10:36:12 AM

czei: "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Indeed.


NateSilver.jpg
 
2012-11-14 10:46:17 AM

Flaming Yawn: Maybe I'm just restating what everyone knows, but it finally hit me: the Obama election win is already discounted by the GOP. First of all, the people who voted for him are a bunch of freeloaders who just want more handouts from the government. This explains how Ryan can pronounce that the election basically has no consequence in terms of raising taxes on the wealthy.

Second, the GOP still has a death grip on the House and the SCOTUS, and can at least neutralize the Senate via filibustering. This should be enough leverage to stall out anything substantive the Dems try to do.

So basically we're trying to walk down the street with a pit bull's jaws clamped to our backside.

Where I work, most of the people are ex-military. The bumper stickers are as you'd probably expect. For instance, there's one that reads "Obama. Not MY President."

I'm in deep cover. I hope.


I respectfully disagree as I don't believe all people who vote in their own interest are necessarily free loaders. Conversely, I don't believe that people who vote in what would be perceived as against their own self interests would do so intentionally. More extremis derp from both sides. You'd do well to get that derp filter replaced before the next election and make a more informed choice.

If you can try to overlook the extremis derp found on both the bumpers of Volvos and F-150's and see them for for what they are, you'll be a much happier person for it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-14 10:47:45 AM
stupidest campaign season ever.

The GOP slogan should have included "...now Fact Free!"
 
2012-11-14 10:48:15 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.


The rape thing is part of the GOP platform. The anti-gay thing as well. The immigration thing as well. As were many things that the general public was revolted by. The so called extremists are merely piss poor spokespersons for the agenda.

The GOP is held together by different factions, but those factions create a philosophical paradox. How can you be for small government yet be the ones who expand the federal government when you are in power. How can the infringement on personal freedom as a result of legislating religious morals
be considered small government. How can bloating a DoD budget that contains massive pork barrel spending in the form of non-competitive contracts be considered free market. The factions no longer work together and in my opinion the only hope for the GOP is to marginalize the tea party and bible pounding factions and appeal to the more moderate voters. Or voters like me who understand the need for fiscal responsibility, are smart enough to know the GOP hasn't been providing it, and also hold personal liberty above the financial concerns for our country.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:11 AM

Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT


Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.
 
2012-11-14 10:59:21 AM

moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.


who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.
 
2012-11-14 11:10:36 AM

Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.


OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:16 AM

winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.


And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.
 
2012-11-14 11:14:56 AM

Seriously, you have to greenlight EVERYTHING they post? Every day? Often TWICE a day?

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2012-11-14 11:15:27 AM

clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.

OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.


These days it's victory gay sex while smoking a bong with some Latinos while having an abortion all underneath a banner of Nate Silver, Hallowed be thy Name.
 
2012-11-14 11:16:09 AM

clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.


So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?
 
2012-11-14 11:18:08 AM

d23: stupidest campaign season ever.

The GOP slogan should have included "...now Fact Free!"


I agree. "We are not going to allow Fact Checkers to undermine our campaign" was a bit too vague.
 
2012-11-14 11:18:40 AM

Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.


So, you're one of those optimists...
 
2012-11-14 11:19:05 AM

Blue_Blazer: These days it's victory gay sex while smoking a bong with some Latinos while having an abortion all underneath a banner of Nate Silver, Hallowed be thy Name.


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2012-11-14 11:19:19 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


snert
 
2012-11-14 11:20:38 AM

winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...


For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:31 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


Considering all of that, they actually did fairly well

/shudder
 
2012-11-14 11:22:32 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


Yeah, they found out they can do that and still get 48% of the vote.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:46 AM

Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...

For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.


pot helps. still doom and gloom, but it's funnier.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:18 AM

winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...

For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.

pot helps. still doom and gloom, but it's funnier.


I'm actually considering a move to Washington.
 
2012-11-14 11:30:04 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


...and that's a Republican's assessment.
 
2012-11-14 11:39:11 AM

clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.

OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.


As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.
 
2012-11-14 11:50:11 AM

Fart_Machine: clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.


As someone who was a Democratic-Republican back in the 1800s, the conservative candidate didn't win. What you call Democrats today would been considered property over 200 years ago. It's just that ideological distinctions evolve over time.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:45 AM

Doctor Funkenstein:

i595.photobucket.com

Op op op op, oppan butthurt style.


Tired meme still cracks me up.
 
2012-11-14 11:55:27 AM
So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because?
 
2012-11-14 12:00:57 PM

I alone am best: So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because?


The American people voted for divided government.

Maybe it's time the Republicans sit down at the table and work on a compromise like big boys and girls.
 
2012-11-14 12:01:13 PM

I alone am best: So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because it's good for our country to have a congress that actually passes legislation


FTFY

Do you think doing nothing is really better than doing something slightly more left than what the extreme right wants?
 
2012-11-14 12:01:49 PM
zappaisfrank


THIS is what Republicans REALLY believe.


Yes, yes it is.
 
2012-11-14 12:05:17 PM

Citrate1007: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

The rape thing is part of the GOP platform. The anti-gay thing as well. The immigration thing as well. As were many things that the general public was revolted by. The so called extremists are merely piss poor spokespersons for the agenda. You could have saved a whole lotta words there and spared me likewise.

The GOP is held together by different factions, but those factions create a philosophical paradox. How can you be for small government yet be the ones who expand the federal government when you are in power. How can the infringement on p ...


If you mean "rape" as a verb, you'll find that in any given population, a subset of those who rape exists- regardless of their political orientation. Some groups are currently under the microscope of the media so the incidence of any action may be slightly exaggerated. As part of an agenda- I seriously have my doubts that rape would be condoned as part of any party belief. This is the problem: you are trying to use the ramblings of one bone head to broad brush the rest of us- despite the criticism he received from all sides for that comment. Lest history forget- even your beloved Joe Bidon was notorious for his verbal gaffes, sending shivers down the backs of his own party whenever he spoke. Fortunately, his gaffes were many and were laughed off as part of that quirky personality.

Anti-gay. I'm sure there are large numbers of conservatives who are "meh" about the whole gay thing- or any cause-- if not pushed in their face. But then again we have our vocal minority who seem to be better at getting a hold of the limelight- so what can I say. Hopefully we do a little betterat muzzling these morans in the future. Conversely, not all progressives are prepared to put their money where there mouth is and enter a gay relationship just to defend the point either. Like their counterparts, they also like cherry pick through their own bag of morals. They just tend to be a little less loud in voicing their personal dislikes than their counterparts on this particular issue. If you don't hire them after attending a four year arts program as a CEO or pay for their tuition when their four year plan meets head on with reality- watch out: here come the anarchists! (zing! forgive me in my moment of weakness)

Anti- immigrant. If are we capitalist pigs exploiting all that cheap labor that you make us out to be, it wouldn't very well behoove us to export our cheap labor nor create law making it difficult to come back in, now would it. How hard is it to believe good ol' fashioned accountability may be the motivator here. Do you not keep the doors locked in your home if you live in a populated area? All we're asking for is accountability rather than letting people walk into our home and help themselves to its contents. Limited resources, criminal element, properly invited, and all that.

And there you the crux of it- piss poor spokesmen given the opportunity to speak and made into memes.
 
2012-11-14 12:13:24 PM
Wow, I didn't realize I was being a hypocrite by supporting marriage equality while being straight.
And obviously exploitative capital would prefer the slaves laborers remain where they are, and not subject to the job-killing regulations in America.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:37 PM

Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.


Seriously- other then in the most radical of circles, who would subscribe to the belief that rape was part of God's plan? Righties only tend to object to abortion resulting from rape because they keep getting hung up on that sanctity of life thing. You guys have done an excellent job distancing yourself from the "fur is murder" crowd and similar ilk. We've still got some work to do on our side in those regards.
 
2012-11-14 12:24:19 PM

Blue_Blazer: Wow, I didn't realize I was being a hypocrite by supporting marriage equality while being straight.
And obviously exploitative capital would prefer the slaves laborers remain where they are, and not subject to the job-killing regulations in America.


Give me your address and leave the key under the mat. I promise to clean up afterwards when I'm done.
PS. I don't share your same views on Caturdays- does that make me a bad person?
 
2012-11-14 12:27:02 PM
He's right. We do have a spending problem: a war in Iraq, a war in Afghanistan, and Medicare Part D (at least these are the big ones). I think the Stimulus package pales in comparison to this level of spending. When you factor in the 1.8 trillion dollars in tax cuts, it just makes the situation worse. Look, I don't believe in a "blame the last guy" philosophy, but in this case, what else can you do? As I see it, the only thing we can really lay at the feet of Obama (in terms of major spending) is the Stimulus package in 2009.
 
2012-11-14 12:38:10 PM
interesting...

"Republicans will be tempted to blame this on President Obama. While much of the explosion of debt over the last several years is indeed the fault of his policies, going forward, Republicans and conservatives need to ignore the temptation to blame Obama, Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-NV) or any other people."
 
2012-11-14 12:40:31 PM

clowncar on fire: Anti-gay. I'm sure there are large numbers of conservatives who are "meh" about the whole gay thing- or any cause-- if not pushed in their face. But then again we have our vocal minority who seem to be better at getting a hold of the limelight- so what can I say. Hopefully we do a little betterat muzzling these morans in the future. Conversely, not all progressives are prepared to put their money where there mouth is and enter a gay relationship just to defend the point either. Like their counterparts, they also like cherry pick through their own bag of morals. They just tend to be a little less loud in voicing their personal dislikes than their counterparts on this particular issue. If you don't hire them after attending a four year arts program as a CEO or pay for their tuition when their four year plan meets head on with reality- watch out: here come the anarchists! (zing! forgive me in my moment of weakness)


I know objective reality burns, but please try and endure it. It gets better when you embrace facts and data, I promise. For example, no "minority" of the Republican party is anti-gay. It's a solid majority and has been for years. I know your gut feeling is that most Republicans don't care about gay marriage, like you, but there's a reason why the computer you're typing on wasn't built with gut feelings.

Republican opinions in reality.
 
2012-11-14 12:56:27 PM

Headso: i46.tinypic.com image 291x275


O hahahhahha!
It's funny because it's true!
 
2012-11-14 01:31:18 PM

Fart_Machine: As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.


I know what you mean-Reagan was really big on making gay marriage legal and not firing government union members.
 
2012-11-14 01:35:34 PM

theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.


I honestly don't get it. It is a FACT that we have near record low tax rates in our nation right now. It is verifiable fact that we have had economic growth when tax rates were higher than they are today, as recently as Clinton. Why is "raise taxes a little and cut spending a little" so difficult for them to accept.

My 10 year old gets it.
 
2012-11-14 01:37:07 PM

Geotpf: Fart_Machine: As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.

I know what you mean-Reagan was really big on making gay marriage legal and not firing government union members.


To be fair, I wouldn't call Obama "big" on it either. It isn't like he has made any actual effort in this regard.
 
2012-11-14 02:30:16 PM

clowncar on fire: If you mean "rape" as a verb, you'll find that in any given population, a subset of those who rape exists- regardless of their political orientation. Some groups are currently under the microscope of the media so the incidence of any action may be slightly exaggerated. As part of an agenda- I seriously have my doubts that rape would be condoned as part of any party belief. This is the problem: you are trying to use the ramblings of one bone head to broad brush the rest of us- despite the criticism he received from all sides for that comment. Lest history forget- even your beloved Joe Bidon was notorious for his verbal gaffes, sending shivers down the backs of his own party whenever he spoke. Fortunately, his gaffes were many and were laughed off as part of that quirky personality.

Anti-gay. I'm sure there are large numbers of conservatives who are "meh" about the whole gay thing- or any cause-- if not pushed in their face. But then again we have our vocal minority who seem to be better at getting a hold of the limelight- so what can I say. Hopefully we do a little betterat muzzling these morans in the future. Conversely, not all progressives are prepared to put their money where there mouth is and enter a gay relationship just to defend the point either. Like their counterparts, they also like cherry pick through their own bag of morals. They just tend to be a little less loud in voicing their personal dislikes than their counterparts on this particular issue. If you don't hire them after attending a four year arts program as a CEO or pay for their tuition when their four year plan meets head on with reality- watch out: here come the anarchists! (zing! forgive me in my moment of weakness)

Anti- immigrant. If are we capitalist pigs exploiting all that cheap labor that you make us out to be, it wouldn't very well behoove us to export our cheap labor nor create law making it difficult to come back in, now would it. How hard is it to believe good ol' fashioned account ...


Do you know what was on the GOP platform. You can't claim that a minority of extremists are just more vocal and getting the limelight when the collective party is setting their legislative goals in line with their farked up beliefs.

Not allowing abortions in cases of rape was part of the party platform.
Anti-Gay legislation in the guise of marriage protection was part of the party platform.

I think we both agree that these are the type of things farking up the current GOP; however, you can't claim that to be absolved of the extremists if you allow them to set the goals and work towards their ends. The GOP has strayed far away from what it once was and what conservatism should be.
 
2012-11-14 04:05:45 PM

I alone am best: So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because you want to still have a job in 2015.


FTFY
 
2012-11-14 05:16:31 PM

winterbraid: As someone who was a Democratic-Republican back in the 1800s


John McCain is that you?

Geotpf: I know what you mean-Reagan was really big on making gay marriage legal and not firing government union members.


Obama did it but he wasn't "big" on it either. So are you really going to tell me that Democrats haven't moved further to the right in the last thirty years?
 
2012-11-14 06:31:32 PM
FTA: "They should ignore what the media says and what the polls say, even if it looks like voters will cost the GOP the House in 2014 and the presidency in 2016."

That sounds like a brilliant plan. Please, proceed.
 
2012-11-15 08:32:31 PM
What the f*ck?

This guy is submissively rolling over, showing his flaccid belly, and going So What?

I thought THE END OF AMURKA was nigh, upon the wholly unmitigated re-election of THE BABBY EATING HELL THING.
 
2012-11-15 08:51:12 PM
Also: These.

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