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2012-11-14 10:10:00 AM
"smart"

So-called "smart"

S-M-R-T!!!

snort.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:31 AM

Shaggy_C: Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate!


"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."
 
2012-11-14 10:11:00 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.


Apples and oranges; we can't vote your aunt some balls.
 
2012-11-14 10:13:12 AM
The important thing here is not to compromise on what's best for America.

ug.
 
2012-11-14 10:14:14 AM
When are all these people going to move to Canada or Australia, where the taxes are higher, they have gun control and universal healthcare.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:02 AM

Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!


"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:44 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


Budget cuts have removed the last two steps.

However, we can still provide the first three steps and a voucher that allows you to purchase the final two steps on your own, according to your needs, on the Free Market™.
 
2012-11-14 10:20:17 AM

Testiclaw: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

Budget cuts have removed the last two steps.

However, we can still provide the first three steps and a voucher that allows you to purchase the final two steps on your own, according to your needs, on the Free Market™.


No way anybody would take on the burden of THAT pre-existing condition.
 
2012-11-14 10:21:02 AM
Maybe I'm just restating what everyone knows, but it finally hit me: the Obama election win is already discounted by the GOP. First of all, the people who voted for him are a bunch of freeloaders who just want more handouts from the government. This explains how Ryan can pronounce that the election basically has no consequence in terms of raising taxes on the wealthy.

Second, the GOP still has a death grip on the House and the SCOTUS, and can at least neutralize the Senate via filibustering. This should be enough leverage to stall out anything substantive the Dems try to do.

So basically we're trying to walk down the street with a pit bull's jaws clamped to our backside.

Where I work, most of the people are ex-military. The bumper stickers are as you'd probably expect. For instance, there's one that reads "Obama. Not MY President."

I'm in deep cover. I hope.
 
2012-11-14 10:21:24 AM
I'm an old guy, about to start collecting SS. I've worked for the federal government, about five years total experience and private industry, many different jobs but 30 years at the same law firm for the last part of my working life (not counting the substitute teaching I'm doing at present mostly for entertainment purposes). There are ENORMOUS ways to cut the waste in the federal government and I applaud all efforts in this area; however, there is very little in terms of real dollars to cut from that part of the budget. You want to make a real dent in the budget you cut the part of the military budget that builds shiat that is never used and we bring all the troops home from overseas - ALL OF THEM. Let the world police itself. The level of ignorance held by most Americans about how our economy works, and for that matter, how wealthy we are as a nation compared to the rest of the world, should make us ashamed to complaint about anything. We in the US have it pretty darn good. At least until some group of serious terrorists blows up our electric infrastructure. That's when I'll be glad I live on a fairly self-sufficient farm.
 
2012-11-14 10:22:00 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Shaggy_C: Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate!

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again."


LOL. I shouldn't have misunderestimated you.
 
2012-11-14 10:23:19 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow to prevent our extremist right to do the talking for us.

FTFM

The freakin' subtleties of the english language...
 
2012-11-14 10:23:55 AM

born_yesterday: /Hope I don't sound argumentative
//Or like some sort of Teabagger


My point is that it's not fair to suggest that both parties are equally to blame. People may not like the solutions offered by the dems, but they are offering solutions. The republicans, on the other hand, have championed the idea of fiscal conservatism for the last thirty years while they have engaged in the practice of running the deficit through the roof.

One party is offering less than entirely popular solutions, the other is just lying to stay in power. These are not equivalent things. To suggest that both parties are to blame for the current state of affairs is absurd.
 
2012-11-14 10:24:18 AM

TheBigJerk: Lawnchair: Senate, Presidency, AND nearly half-a-million more people voted for a Democratic member of the House than for a Republican one*, biatches.

*: True story... due to the current districting map the Repubs hold 55% of the seats, but got fewer votes than Dems.

Someone here claimed that was a silly way of looking at things, but couldn't be bothered to explain why when I asked.


I wondered if maybe it is a silly way of looking at things. My premise for this is based on the rule that every state has at least 1 representative. I figured that most of these underpopulated states are republican and would work as more efficient vote sinks than states with more evenly apportioned representatives. What you're looking at is the number of "disenfranchised voters" as measured by the discrepancy between a states' vote for Obama and percentage of representatives in Obama's party correlated with the number of representatives for people, which ranges from 500,000 in Rhode Island to almost a million in Montana.

i46.tinypic.com 

If there's no positive correlation, it should be flat (which it basically is). There's is a slight positive correlation, but that only represents about 2% of the correlation. If you squint, you could make out a population with strong positive correlation, but it's balanced out by a group with strong negative correlation. So, my conclusion is that some states with high population per rep are efficient voter sinks; some states with low population per rep are efficient voter sinks.

I also saw what we all now know. In the chart below, Republicans are positive Y values; Democrats are negative Y values. The Y-value corresponds to the number of "disenfranchised voters" (x100,000) using my previous criteria. Along the X-axis, I've arranged them from Montana (high pop per rep) to Rhode Island (low pop per rep) and you see that across the board, both sides, in this election, were not equally bad.

i46.tinypic.com

A note on my method for calculating "voter disenfranchisement": obviously it would be better to calculate vote for democratic rep rather than Obama, but it was a lot easier to tabulate Obama's vote. When you actually do the calculation of total disenfranchisement, you get that there were 300,000 more votes cast for democratic party reps. My method calculates 40,000 more votes for democratic party reps. I think that's pretty good given the total number of votes.
 
2012-11-14 10:25:18 AM

born_yesterday: No way anybody would take on the burden of THAT pre-existing condition.


I'm glad you asked!

The five stages of denial will not change if you are currently enrolled on the fourth or fifth steps -our vouchers will go into effect for those on step three or the previous two steps.
 
2012-11-14 10:27:57 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.


Yeah, exactly. Nobody's saying cuts don't have to be made. They do. But you can't cut your way out of the deficit. Taxes need to be raised as well.
But at the end of the day, you have to remember that the boomers are retiring and becoming dependents. Until they die, the USA will have a deficit, barring some sort of extreme measures. It's just something the farked over generations will have to live with.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:59 AM

starsrift: Until they die, the USA will have a deficit, barring some sort of extreme measures. It's just something the farked over generations will have to live with.


SS is solvent until the 2030's.
 
2012-11-14 10:30:57 AM

winterbraid: Zeb Hesselgresser: starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .

I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.

Apples and oranges; we can't vote your aunt some balls.


Exactly. We can't VOTE for Clinton era revenue levels either. Let's see how the French do with their new 72% rate. We've dicked this problem around before, what's another year, other than a trillion dollars. Yea, I know a bad MacGowan song also.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:50 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.


You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:51 AM
"Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Indeed.
 
2012-11-14 10:36:12 AM

czei: "Ye shall know them by their fruits."

Indeed.


NateSilver.jpg
 
2012-11-14 10:46:17 AM

Flaming Yawn: Maybe I'm just restating what everyone knows, but it finally hit me: the Obama election win is already discounted by the GOP. First of all, the people who voted for him are a bunch of freeloaders who just want more handouts from the government. This explains how Ryan can pronounce that the election basically has no consequence in terms of raising taxes on the wealthy.

Second, the GOP still has a death grip on the House and the SCOTUS, and can at least neutralize the Senate via filibustering. This should be enough leverage to stall out anything substantive the Dems try to do.

So basically we're trying to walk down the street with a pit bull's jaws clamped to our backside.

Where I work, most of the people are ex-military. The bumper stickers are as you'd probably expect. For instance, there's one that reads "Obama. Not MY President."

I'm in deep cover. I hope.


I respectfully disagree as I don't believe all people who vote in their own interest are necessarily free loaders. Conversely, I don't believe that people who vote in what would be perceived as against their own self interests would do so intentionally. More extremis derp from both sides. You'd do well to get that derp filter replaced before the next election and make a more informed choice.

If you can try to overlook the extremis derp found on both the bumpers of Volvos and F-150's and see them for for what they are, you'll be a much happier person for it.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-14 10:47:45 AM
stupidest campaign season ever.

The GOP slogan should have included "...now Fact Free!"
 
2012-11-14 10:48:15 AM

clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.


The rape thing is part of the GOP platform. The anti-gay thing as well. The immigration thing as well. As were many things that the general public was revolted by. The so called extremists are merely piss poor spokespersons for the agenda.

The GOP is held together by different factions, but those factions create a philosophical paradox. How can you be for small government yet be the ones who expand the federal government when you are in power. How can the infringement on personal freedom as a result of legislating religious morals
be considered small government. How can bloating a DoD budget that contains massive pork barrel spending in the form of non-competitive contracts be considered free market. The factions no longer work together and in my opinion the only hope for the GOP is to marginalize the tea party and bible pounding factions and appeal to the more moderate voters. Or voters like me who understand the need for fiscal responsibility, are smart enough to know the GOP hasn't been providing it, and also hold personal liberty above the financial concerns for our country.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:11 AM

Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT


Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.
 
2012-11-14 10:59:21 AM

moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.


who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.
 
2012-11-14 11:10:36 AM

Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.


OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.
 
2012-11-14 11:12:16 AM

winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.


And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.
 
2012-11-14 11:14:56 AM

Seriously, you have to greenlight EVERYTHING they post? Every day? Often TWICE a day?

Copyright © 1999 - 2012 Fark, Inc | An American Thinker Partner
 
2012-11-14 11:15:27 AM

clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.

OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.


These days it's victory gay sex while smoking a bong with some Latinos while having an abortion all underneath a banner of Nate Silver, Hallowed be thy Name.
 
2012-11-14 11:16:09 AM

clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.


So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?
 
2012-11-14 11:18:08 AM

d23: stupidest campaign season ever.

The GOP slogan should have included "...now Fact Free!"


I agree. "We are not going to allow Fact Checkers to undermine our campaign" was a bit too vague.
 
2012-11-14 11:18:40 AM

Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.


So, you're one of those optimists...
 
2012-11-14 11:19:05 AM

Blue_Blazer: These days it's victory gay sex while smoking a bong with some Latinos while having an abortion all underneath a banner of Nate Silver, Hallowed be thy Name.


I'll be in my bunk.
 
2012-11-14 11:19:19 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


snert
 
2012-11-14 11:20:38 AM

winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...


For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:31 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


Considering all of that, they actually did fairly well

/shudder
 
2012-11-14 11:22:32 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


Yeah, they found out they can do that and still get 48% of the vote.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:46 AM

Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...

For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.


pot helps. still doom and gloom, but it's funnier.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:18 AM

winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: Blue_Blazer: winterbraid: moothemagiccow: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Sure there is. They just aren't represented in the federal government.

who has the time? those old ladies aren't going to splash red paint on themselves.

And one day soon, "rape is God's plan," "all Dems are lazy," "tax cuts create growth," and the many other radical right wing ideas will be just as mocked as the "fur is murder" crowd.

So, you're one of those optimists...

For now. I'm pessimistic enough to think my optimism will probably wear off.

pot helps. still doom and gloom, but it's funnier.


I'm actually considering a move to Washington.
 
2012-11-14 11:30:04 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: clowncar on fire: You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So other than having policies which the American people didn't like, a terrible strategy, and bad candidates at all levels, things went pretty well?


...and that's a Republican's assessment.
 
2012-11-14 11:39:11 AM

clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

You say liberal party, I did not realize the Greens took control. Oh and it is this fantasy liberal party that is to blame for "the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right."

In other words, you are still in denial, and nothing is the responsibility of the radical right.

OK, then. You're nit-picking here. By "liberal", I'm generalizing as "not conservative". If you'ld prefer The Left or Democrats, so be it. We can both safely agree that the conservatives (republicans/right)did not win the POTUS and the senate- the "other guys" did. Are we happy now?

I never placed the blame on the "left" for our inability to muzzle our rightist extremis- we won't credit you there for our mistakes. On the other hand, hats off to the left for downplaying their extremis and not allowing them to become the voice of the democratic party. Regarding the media: they were only too happy to bring our more "colorful" personalities to the forefront portraying them as the true voice of the republican party.

You won due to: a lackluster candidate and over confidence on our part, and of course, having a more populist message to run on. Having a exceptionally loud extremis on our side certainly didn't hurt your cause.

So loosen up those panties, shake out the sand, and go have yourself another victory beer.


As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.
 
2012-11-14 11:50:11 AM

Fart_Machine: clowncar on fire: Blue_Blazer: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: As someone who was a Republican back in the 80s the conservative candidate did win. What you call Democrats today would have been considered Republicans over thirty years ago. It's just that the GOP has thrown itself over the cliff.


As someone who was a Democratic-Republican back in the 1800s, the conservative candidate didn't win. What you call Democrats today would been considered property over 200 years ago. It's just that ideological distinctions evolve over time.
 
2012-11-14 11:52:45 AM

Doctor Funkenstein:

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Tired meme still cracks me up.
 
2012-11-14 11:55:27 AM
So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because?
 
2012-11-14 12:00:57 PM

I alone am best: So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because?


The American people voted for divided government.

Maybe it's time the Republicans sit down at the table and work on a compromise like big boys and girls.
 
2012-11-14 12:01:13 PM

I alone am best: So let me get this right.

Obama win = mandate
Republicans win house = do what Obama says just because it's good for our country to have a congress that actually passes legislation


FTFY

Do you think doing nothing is really better than doing something slightly more left than what the extreme right wants?
 
2012-11-14 12:01:49 PM
zappaisfrank


THIS is what Republicans REALLY believe.


Yes, yes it is.
 
2012-11-14 12:05:17 PM

Citrate1007: clowncar on fire: Citrate1007: Lets continue to destroy the economy out of spite!!!

"And while we're at it, let's lay all our failure on Bush's doorstep for the next four years".

I don't think you'll find that happening as much in the future- partly out of damage control, partly out of the realization that this tactic has resulted in fail and in part, due to the realization that we cannot continue on with business as usual. With the last four years we had a little wiggle room and could afford a little colateral damage in effort to shift the political tide in the conservative's favor. We now know this is not the case, and we also know four more years of similar obstructionism will be the death of us all. While four more years of enforcing the sluggish expectations of a lame duck POTUS is possible, I firmly believe that there will a more centrist shift on the part of the conservatives, especially in areas where we believe can walk away with some dignity still intact.

Regarding extremis "news sources". Keep in mind these are the individual thought of the far extremes of both sides, not the voice of the majority. The media- as well as the liberal party-- has done an excellent job at marginalizing and downplaying the voice of extreme liberal belief while at the same time allowing for the creation of iconic representatives out of voices and deeds coming from the extreme right. I short, we played right into your hands by failing not to allow our extremist right to do the talking for us.

The rape thing is part of the GOP platform. The anti-gay thing as well. The immigration thing as well. As were many things that the general public was revolted by. The so called extremists are merely piss poor spokespersons for the agenda. You could have saved a whole lotta words there and spared me likewise.

The GOP is held together by different factions, but those factions create a philosophical paradox. How can you be for small government yet be the ones who expand the federal government when you are in power. How can the infringement on p ...


If you mean "rape" as a verb, you'll find that in any given population, a subset of those who rape exists- regardless of their political orientation. Some groups are currently under the microscope of the media so the incidence of any action may be slightly exaggerated. As part of an agenda- I seriously have my doubts that rape would be condoned as part of any party belief. This is the problem: you are trying to use the ramblings of one bone head to broad brush the rest of us- despite the criticism he received from all sides for that comment. Lest history forget- even your beloved Joe Bidon was notorious for his verbal gaffes, sending shivers down the backs of his own party whenever he spoke. Fortunately, his gaffes were many and were laughed off as part of that quirky personality.

Anti-gay. I'm sure there are large numbers of conservatives who are "meh" about the whole gay thing- or any cause-- if not pushed in their face. But then again we have our vocal minority who seem to be better at getting a hold of the limelight- so what can I say. Hopefully we do a little betterat muzzling these morans in the future. Conversely, not all progressives are prepared to put their money where there mouth is and enter a gay relationship just to defend the point either. Like their counterparts, they also like cherry pick through their own bag of morals. They just tend to be a little less loud in voicing their personal dislikes than their counterparts on this particular issue. If you don't hire them after attending a four year arts program as a CEO or pay for their tuition when their four year plan meets head on with reality- watch out: here come the anarchists! (zing! forgive me in my moment of weakness)

Anti- immigrant. If are we capitalist pigs exploiting all that cheap labor that you make us out to be, it wouldn't very well behoove us to export our cheap labor nor create law making it difficult to come back in, now would it. How hard is it to believe good ol' fashioned accountability may be the motivator here. Do you not keep the doors locked in your home if you live in a populated area? All we're asking for is accountability rather than letting people walk into our home and help themselves to its contents. Limited resources, criminal element, properly invited, and all that.

And there you the crux of it- piss poor spokesmen given the opportunity to speak and made into memes.
 
2012-11-14 12:13:24 PM
Wow, I didn't realize I was being a hypocrite by supporting marriage equality while being straight.
And obviously exploitative capital would prefer the slaves laborers remain where they are, and not subject to the job-killing regulations in America.
 
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