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2012-11-14 09:12:50 AM

Lawnchair: Senate, Presidency, AND nearly half-a-million more people voted for a Democratic member of the House than for a Republican one*, biatches.

*: True story... due to the current districting map the Repubs hold 55% of the seats, but got fewer votes than Dems.


Someone here claimed that was a silly way of looking at things, but couldn't be bothered to explain why when I asked.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:44 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".
 
2012-11-14 09:15:13 AM
You know, generally speaking, if your party has lost to a candidate already, you would think you would run someone better the second time around if you expected to have a chance of winning.
 
2012-11-14 09:15:41 AM
What happened to all of the fark "independents".......surely there must be someone left to troll help articulate the authors sound reasoning.
 
2012-11-14 09:15:52 AM

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: oligarchy


You misspelled "oligarhy".

/pet peave
 
2012-11-14 09:16:03 AM

Parthenogenetic: rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

THE NI66ER IS COMING! THE Ni66ER IS COMING!


I thought Paul Revere was telling the British they were not going to take our guns away.

//got my news from Palin
 
2012-11-14 09:16:17 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".


Wasn't that where they were before the election?
 
2012-11-14 09:16:39 AM
FTA: Republicans and conservatives need to ignore the temptation to blame Obama

BURN THE HERETIC
 
2012-11-14 09:17:23 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

They've moved on to "Complete rejection of reality and rational thought".


They've clearly reached stage Potato
 
2012-11-14 09:19:22 AM

nekom: Bontesla: TenJed_77: Too ashamed to print that under his real name? What about cutting the defense budget you idiot.

I particularly like the part where he calls on fellow Republicans to ignore intelligent people. At this point, I can only assume it's a secret Democratic plant because anything else seems like an absurd reality.

I don't know, wasn't it Rick Santorum who said something along the lines of "look, we're never going to get the smart people"? It's as if t

They are actually full speed ahead anti-intellectual. 

There...

This is a party that actively want to prevent their children from learning science and history because they want to "raise them to believe" just in the same way they were "raised to believe".
 
2012-11-14 09:19:53 AM
 
2012-11-14 09:20:15 AM

un4gvn666: Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: oligarchy

You misspelled "oligarhy".

/pet peave


cubiyanqui.files.wordpress.com

"Fartbongo bin Muslin al Hadj stole mah 'C'."
 
2012-11-14 09:20:32 AM

jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?


One thing's for sure: they will never, EVER reach Acceptance.
 
2012-11-14 09:22:58 AM

monoski: Parthenogenetic: rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!

THE NI66ER IS COMING! THE Ni66ER IS COMING!


I thought Paul Revere was telling the British they were not going to take our guns away.

//got my news from Palin


I got a 30 day ban from Wikipedia for adding Mrs. Palin's deep historical insights to the Paul Revere page.

I see that Conservapedia has documented the veracity of her claim, though. Bully for them.
 
2012-11-14 09:25:33 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: jayhawk88: Is anyone tracking the right's 5 Stages of Grief progress? Are we still in Denial?

One thing's for sure: they will never, EVER reach Acceptance.


Oh no, they will accept that they dislike Obama.
 
2012-11-14 09:27:52 AM
"The Left" has two seats. And no one cares what they think.
 
2012-11-14 09:27:56 AM
So waht?

Let's ask mister impotent no-chinned minority leader Mitch "turtle man" McConnell!
 
2012-11-14 09:29:21 AM
We have a revenue and war spending problem. We also have a psychotic libertarian problem. Get us out of these wars and ship all American Libertarian to Somalia where they can have no taxes and all the guns they can steal.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-14 09:30:47 AM
compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.
 
2012-11-14 09:33:56 AM

HotWingConspiracy: I like reading these stories alongside the ones about how the GOP is moderating and has a grand vision for expanding the party.

At some point they'll have to calculate that abandoning their current base is the only path forward, but they just aren't there yet.


It's possible to recalibrate without abandoning. I think the last few years leading up to- and the final results of-- the election have been a real eye opener for us more moderate conservatives. Those in the extremis are welcomed to re-tool their views and join us or will find themselves summarily abandoned as the tea party is currently in the midst of.

That being said, it will require fiscally trimming as well as taxation to get out of this mess.
 
2012-11-14 09:34:35 AM
The Republicans hold the House and have de facto control of the Senate. Conservatives rule the Supreme Court. The only thing the Democrats fully control is the Presidency, and they won that on a 2 point popular vote margin. To act like they should just curl up into a fetal position and accept everything the Democrats try to ram down our throats is to deny electoral reality. In all honesty, if the deals don't get made in the next two months, they are not going to get made. We'll be right back to stalemate starting January 20th. Both sides understand this - now it's just a matter of how far Orange Man and Yertle are willing to go (and, more importantly, can convince their caucuses to follow).
 
2012-11-14 09:34:59 AM
FTFA: Niggling on the details is what caused the disasters in April and August of last year, leading to no cuts and bare reductions in the growth of spending. Note that even while compromising to the tune of what the left dictated didn't help Republicans or conservatives in this month's elections, and may have even hurt.

Boehner: "I got 98 percent of what I wanted"

That's some hard core dictatin' . Truly some evil, negotiatin' bastards on the left. Do these idiots not realize that these things can be checked? That statements made to journalists are actually recorded, and don't just float off into the ether as soon as they have dribbled from their lips?
 
2012-11-14 09:35:41 AM
Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT
 
2012-11-14 09:36:08 AM
The article wasn't so bad until it started talking about how to address the situation.
"The threat is the debt, and it is the fault of everyone in Washington for not dealing with it, regardless of party. Playing the blame game will simply distract from dealing with this threat." was not something I expected to see from American Thinker.
"The federal budget has gone up 60% since 2001, and taxes are only low because the economic recovery is weak." was also something I didn't expect to see, it's like the Right is finally admitting that taxes are at historical lows and probably should be higher!

upload.wikimedia.org
This chart shows everything you need to know about deficit and revenue to GDP. Revenue almost solely taxed-based, tariffs are considered a barrier to free trade.
On the spending side, SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and debt interest take up about 10% of the expense to GDP, and defense at around 6 or 7%. Given revenue is at 15% of GDP... You could cut every government program except the entitlements and military spending, and you'd still have a 2% GDP deficit. Austerity, going by what's happening in Europe right now, doesn't work, so...

Farked.
 
2012-11-14 09:36:15 AM

Psychohazard: It would help this country to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Democratic party. The shame is that the Republicans have gone so off the deep end that they have lost all credibility.

Thinking about it, given the events of the Reagan/Bush years, it would also have helped to have a fiscally conservative counter-balance to the Republican party.


Now, I will give credit where it's due though. George H.W. Bush looked at the mess left behind by St. Reagan and went, "f*ck, there goes that campaign promise."

His son? Looked at the upcoming cliff and said, "f*ck it, I want a second term. Let the next guy deal with it."
 
2012-11-14 09:36:32 AM
I love how they say in one breath that conservatives should not compromise in anyway and in the next say that if government shuts down it will be on the president and his allies.

farking morans.
 
2012-11-14 09:39:22 AM

Shaggy_C: ...and have de facto control of the Senate.


Only if the current rules regarding the filibuster are allowed to remain unchanged. Reid has promised to change them. If he doesn't, well, then he's as much at fault as Yertle.
 
2012-11-14 09:42:13 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


"The Quadpods are coming! The Quadpods are coming!"

joshroby.com
 
2012-11-14 09:42:22 AM
$16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.
 
2012-11-14 09:44:05 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.


Nero and his fiddle? we prefer crying eagle.gif
 
2012-11-14 09:45:21 AM

kumanoki: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 240x243]

Please stop this. Don't do this anymore.

It's disrespectful to the atheletes and to children with special needs.


Some people are of sub-average intelligence and require pictures to either make a point or need a visual cue to get the joke. You know, because calling someone stoopid without a picture of a handicapped person gets lost in the translation somewhere.

Your comment regarding this comparison being disrespectful to the mentally handicapped is more insidious as your "intent" is not to act as an advocate but rather a poor attempt at sarcasm on their expense.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:11 AM

More_Like_A_Stain: Only if the current rules regarding the filibuster are allowed to remain unchanged. Reid has promised to change them. If he doesn't, well, then he's as much at fault as Yertle.


Harry Reid is, in a word, pathetic. The guy promised to change the rules in 2010 as well, but he didn't do one damn thing to make it happen. In fact, not only did he not even try to change the rules, he made a deal with Mitch McConnell and stood on stage grinning to the cameras about the "bipartisan compromise" that he helped orchestrate! Fark Harry Reid, nothing is going to change as long as that putz is the majority leader. He should bear a huge portion of the shame of the last two years of gridlock - the Republicans are the ones filibustering, but he had the power to stop it and did nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:35 AM

Shaggy_C: The Republicans hold the House and have de facto control of the Senate.


That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:46 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.


If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted.
Nobody's denying that cuts should be made. But taxes must be raised. As I pointed out, if you shaved the budget to the bone, you'd still have a 2% deficit, unless taxes go up. Period.
 
2012-11-14 09:48:15 AM

Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT


Well, there IS one...but it's not really represented in our political stage right now.

We've got Bernie Sanders and...uh...Elizabeth Warren, maybe?
 
2012-11-14 09:50:32 AM
At this point is similar to negotiating with a suicide bomber (the GOP) after you've established a fairly safe perimeter for people. You want to compromise but not to the extent it will endanger more people.
 
2012-11-14 09:51:59 AM

theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.


They literally seem not to understand what the word "compromise" means. They think it means "you give me something that I want, and I won't give you anything you want in return."
 
2012-11-14 09:52:58 AM

mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.


Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.
 
2012-11-14 09:53:28 AM

Lando Lincoln: Opiate of the Lasses: Repeat after me: THERE IS NO AMERICAN LEFT

Well, there IS one...but it's not really represented in our political stage right now.

We've got Bernie Sanders and...uh...Elizabeth Warren, maybe?


Saw Bernie eat a steak once (not a tofu steak, a real murder-steak), and Liz Warren has never thrown a shoe at Bush. Clearly not lefties.
 
2012-11-14 09:54:56 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's a message from Paul Revere! It must be important!


Hey, that dude had the balls to ride around London telling people to "Bring out your dead" during the scourge of the Fartbama Death. Don't you dare disrespect him...
 
2012-11-14 09:57:56 AM

theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.


QFT. Something tells me it's not really about fixing the budget.
 
2012-11-14 09:58:02 AM

jso2897: theknuckler_33: compromise -- meaning higher tax rates and more unaffordable spending --

It is as if they are genetically incapable of acknowledging that the Democrat's proposal includes spending cuts.

They literally seem not to understand what the word "compromise" means. They think it means "you give me something that I want, and I won't give you anything you want in return."


Who was the repub on fox & friends who said "compromise is dems doing what I want them to?"

/my Google-fu is weak today...
 
2012-11-14 09:58:45 AM

Shaggy_C: mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.

Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.


Heh. That Citizens United thing is turning out to be a real ass-biter. A real lesson in "be careful what you wish for". The GOP, of course, will learn nothing.
 
2012-11-14 09:59:43 AM
At least he resisted the temptation of blaming shiftless heathen mooching minorities this time.
 
2012-11-14 10:01:13 AM
one word. fulibuster. those lefties didn't get a super majority in the senate. there's going to be some senate records broken in the next 4 years.
 
2012-11-14 10:02:44 AM

not5am: one word. fulibuster. those lefties didn't get a super majority in the senate. there's going to be some senate records broken in the next 4 years.


Assuming Senate Democrats allow the filibuster to continue unmodified.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:58 AM

starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted . . .


I forget how it was put yesterday, but I think this where I mention my Mom's sister having the alternative genital configuration.
 
2012-11-14 10:07:11 AM

starsrift: Zeb Hesselgresser: $16 trillion headed to $23 trillion, averaging $1.2 trillion per year. Meanwhile the CBO predicts the expiration of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy raises $824 billion over ten years.

but the democrats have a plan: taxes. And it would work. Not so much.

Double them and we're still pissing in the ocean. Spending is going to fall. Share the pain wealthy people, even if it's merely symbolic.

Meanwhile, somebody post a picture of Nero and his fiddle.

If we had Clinton's revenues today, the budget would be almost balanced. As you could see by the chart I posted.
Nobody's denying that cuts should be made. But taxes must be raised. As I pointed out, if you shaved the budget to the bone, you'd still have a 2% deficit, unless taxes go up. Period.


Which is why they want to destroy Medicare and Social Security. Then you can have all the defense spending you want.
 
2012-11-14 10:09:23 AM
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2012-11-14 10:09:36 AM

Shaggy_C: mrshowrules: That's a stretch. So is control of SCOTUS or have we forgotten the last major ruling.

Senate Minority Leader is the most important position in the United States government. As minority leader, you alone get to decide what pieces of legislation will be taken up for votes in the senate. Essentially, it's your way, or the highway. Who else has such power? I suppose the President also has a veto, but he doesn't get to write legislation, too.

And trying to claim that the Supreme Court is now 'liberal' because of one ruling that was decided on a 5-4 decision on the narrowest of grounds (namely the power of taxation) by one of the most conservative members is not exactly a solid argument. This is the same court that brought us Citizens United, lest we forget.


Neither the Senate Minority or Majority Leaders have any Constitutionally define powers. How you can say the Senate Minority Leader is such a powerful role is beyond me.

I wasn't saying that the DNC controls the SCOTUS, I'm saying that it is a stretch for you to claim the GOP does. In any case, the current crisis is budgetary which minimizes their role anyways.
 
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