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2012-11-14 09:39:23 AM
I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit.

It's during a sweaty love-making session with Watts that Holloway goes into labour; the infant starbeast erupts from his chest, spattering Watts in blood before scuttling off into the bowels of the ship.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:30 AM

Sybarite: I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit.


You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense. Still, the characters had slasher movie level intelligence.
 
2012-11-14 09:49:58 AM
"it's difficult to fault the grim power of Spaihts' imagination."

Jesus farking Christ. Someone actually wrote that? This is why I avoid Den of Geeks like the farking plague.
 
2012-11-14 09:50:28 AM
So we're having this thread again?
 
2012-11-14 09:54:13 AM

jeanwearinfool: So we're having this thread again?


Yep, apparently the film outraged the mods so much that we have to have extend the discussion about it.
 
2012-11-14 09:56:31 AM

Mugato: Sybarite: I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit.

You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense. Still, the characters had slasher movie level intelligence.


It's hard to find people with common sense who would be willing to accept a mission without being briefed until arrival.
 
2012-11-14 10:04:03 AM
The only reason it was named Prometheus because the director brought a flaming turd to the movie goers .
From the retarded crew to the Cartoonish "out run the rolling space ship"
Yakity-Saks soundtrack and watching on fast forward is an improvement to the film
 
2012-11-14 10:04:46 AM
That read like someone has read the Guyver manga and decided to see how much he could copy off it.
 
2012-11-14 10:08:09 AM
I thought the movie was good, but Im not up on all the bs backstory.
Anyone comparing it to a slasher movie should watch Aliens.
 
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2012-11-14 10:08:32 AM

Hebalo: "it's difficult to fault the grim power of Spaihts' imagination."

Jesus farking Christ. Someone actually wrote that? This is why I avoid Den of Geeks like the farking plague.


Also FTFA:
"This origin story immediately begs the question:"...
No.
No.
 
2012-11-14 10:10:20 AM

LarryDan43: Mugato: Sybarite: I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit.

You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense. Still, the characters had slasher movie level intelligence.

It's hard to find people with common sense who would be willing to accept a mission without being briefed until arrival.


The characters had reasons that were pretty obvious. They didn't spell it out, but many of the crew were in it for the money, and the researchers wanted fame and to prove their theories correct. And the money.

I've noticed that Prometheus tends to elicit the same reaction as Signs or The Blair Witch Project did so many years ago: people who like their films to spell out every little thing hated these films, and those who were okay with extrapolating or "catching" bits of dialogue (you know, listening), enjoyed the films.

I remember a guy who sat in front of me while I watched The Dark Knight. He spent probably two hours of the film texting or browsing the internet with his smart phone. At the end of the movie, he loudly complained to the woman who went with him that the film sucked and it didn't make any sense.
 
2012-11-14 10:11:07 AM
I wonder if there are enough deleted scenes for someone over at fanedit.org to make a version of the film that's closer to the original idea. It'd be an interesting exercise, and I'd be curious to see it.
 
2012-11-14 10:15:13 AM

jeanwearinfool: So we're having this thread again?


Not only that, there was an article telling us about it and this article explaining the differences which was already done by Farkers in the former's thread. IIRC scottydoesntknow gave a good breakdown.

I hate it as much as the next hater, more for the disappointment than the money spent, but this is getting ridiculous.
 
2012-11-14 10:17:37 AM
The missus and I watched it again last night.

I'm now putting it in the same category as Wanted and Shoot 'Em Up - something that should have been an enjoyable B-Movie, but the studio gave it a blockbuster budget, hired A-list stars, and took the story way too seriously.

Mugato: You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense.


We're not talking about some random small town in a creature flick - we're talking about people who were hand-picked to fly to another planet. You're picturing a random group of grad students. Think along the lines of scientists who have been on shuttle flights or served on the space station, and their behavior and decisions are utterly inexplicable.

LarryDan43: It's hard to find people with common sense who would be willing to accept a mission without being briefed until arrival.


Yeah, that was just bad writing. They should have been briefed on Earth before departure. They could also have included a funeral scene for Weyland at the same time, adding extra shock value to his later appearance.
 
2012-11-14 10:19:27 AM
I enjoyed the film, and I think the first write of it sounds interesting too.

At some point every science fiction/monster/horror films breaks if you look too closely. They're... well, fake. Just enjoy the ride.
 
2012-11-14 10:20:36 AM

moothemagiccow: Anyone comparing it to a slasher movie should watch Aliens.


The point in Aliens was that all these badass space marines who spent the first 20 minutes of the movie bragging about how badass they were turned into incompetent cowards when the finally had to face the aliens. That was an intentional plot point. Running from something coming at you and not simply moving to the side was just sort of goofy.

/not really ripping on the movie but the characters were kind of stupid
 
2012-11-14 10:20:55 AM
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2012-11-14 10:22:31 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've noticed that Prometheus tends to elicit the same reaction as Signs or The Blair Witch Project did so many years ago: people who like their films to spell out every little thing hated these films, and those who were okay with extrapolating or "catching" bits of dialogue (you know, listening), enjoyed the films.


So you're saying we missed the part where 'running at a diagonal' was outlawed in the future?
 
2012-11-14 10:22:46 AM

bluefelix: I enjoyed the film, and I think the first write of it sounds interesting too.

At some point every science fiction/monster/horror films breaks if you look too closely. They're... well, fake. Just enjoy the ride.


The breaks are too jarring in this one. I was trying to be in it for the ride, but holy crap they test your brain's involvement early, often, and intensively.
 
2012-11-14 10:24:43 AM

Mugato: You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense. Still, the characters had slasher movie level intelligence.


It's as if someone or something was manipulating them to be that stupid...

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/BTW, totally enjoyed Cabin in the Woods
 
2012-11-14 10:25:31 AM

sprawl15: whizbangthedirtfarmer: I've noticed that Prometheus tends to elicit the same reaction as Signs or The Blair Witch Project did so many years ago: people who like their films to spell out every little thing hated these films, and those who were okay with extrapolating or "catching" bits of dialogue (you know, listening), enjoyed the films.

So you're saying we missed the part where 'running at a diagonal' was outlawed in the future?


That ship was freaking huge. Are you telling me that it was skyscraper-tall but only a few yards wide? She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:12 AM

Mugato: moothemagiccow: Anyone comparing it to a slasher movie should watch Aliens.

The point in Aliens was that all these badass space marines who spent the first 20 minutes of the movie bragging about how badass they were turned into incompetent cowards when the finally had to face the aliens. That was an intentional plot point. Running from something coming at you and not simply moving to the side was just sort of goofy.

/not really ripping on the movie but the characters were kind of stupid


Well, to be fair, Lt. Gorman did take their heavy firepower away when they went into the atmospheric processing station to find the survivors. They were just using pistols and shotguns. So they were overpowered. However, when they were trying to repel the alien attack later on, they stood their ground for a while.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:23 AM

PsyLord: jeanwearinfool: So we're having this thread again?

Yep, apparently the film outraged the mods so much that we have to have extend the discussion about it.


Well, it vacuumed blue balls I must admit. Horrible plot.

Anytime you go to the movie and about half way through it start rooting for the entire cast to die horribly it's not a very good script.

Luckily everyone dies in the end. Everyone.

Who ever wrote this piece of utter garbage should be banned from ever working in the movie business again.
 
2012-11-14 10:30:47 AM

clkeagle: Mugato: You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense.

We're not talking about some random small town in a creature flick - we're talking about people who were hand-picked to fly to another planet. You're picturing a random group of grad students. Think along the lines of scientists who have been on shuttle flights or served on the space station, and their behavior and decisions are utterly inexplicable.


These guys hopped on a space flight having no idea where it was going, what they would be doing, or who they would be with. While they may have been hand picked, they aren't going ot be the best of the best or have the best careers.

/even then theyw ere still stupid, but no so stupid it ruined the movie for me.
 
2012-11-14 10:31:26 AM

flaminio: I wonder if there are enough deleted scenes for someone over at fanedit.org to make a version of the film that's closer to the original idea. It'd be an interesting exercise, and I'd be curious to see it.



They already did it. It was called Aliens V Predator.

1.bp.blogspot.com

www.fanimages.com 

1. Expeditions. Yes
2. Funded by ailing Tycoons. Yes.
3. Tycoon wants reward (longer life/ recognition/technology). Yes
4. Locations have Ancient Aliens connection. Yes.
5. Female scientist lead. Yes.
6. Location used by Intelligent Lifeform (The Predators/ Engineers). Yes.
7. Location used for military/ weaponry motives. Yes.

etc etc....just no David and fancy CGI tech stuff.
 
2012-11-14 10:32:38 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.


This is where some people find problems in the movie, it went against her established character. Pilots are supposed to be to think fast for their lively hood and she was no different. They showed her as a cold, calculating ice queen. Her panicking when there was a simple solution breaks established character. If they foreshadowed this with indecisiveness I would have been fine with it.
 
2012-11-14 10:34:42 AM
watched Prometheus this past weekend and thought it was great, one of the best films of the year. looking forward to a second viewing this weekend.
 
2012-11-14 10:35:24 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Are you telling me that it was skyscraper-tall but only a few yards wide? She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.


You do realize Noomi's character was lagging behind, fell, and then rolled out of the way, right? You're the one crying that people don't pay attention to movies and you don't realize this?
 
2012-11-14 10:36:14 AM
I will never give money to anything involving Lindelof again. He ruined lost, he shiat all over Star Trek, and now he wiped his ass with this movie. Prometheus had so much potential, what a giant POS that turned out to be.
 
2012-11-14 10:36:15 AM

PsyLord: totally enjoyed Cabin in the Woods


Its so very different and they advertised it so poorly. I watched it and had a hoot. Plus someone turned me onto the fact that everyone did their jobs/the order wrong which adds a whole new aspect when rewatching. (she isn't the virgin, he isn't the athlete, and so forth.)

I just don't like the bleak sudden ending but it is in line with the theme of the movie so its all good.
 
2012-11-14 10:36:41 AM

PsyLord: Mugato: moothemagiccow: Anyone comparing it to a slasher movie should watch Aliens.

The point in Aliens was that all these badass space marines who spent the first 20 minutes of the movie bragging about how badass they were turned into incompetent cowards when the finally had to face the aliens. That was an intentional plot point. Running from something coming at you and not simply moving to the side was just sort of goofy.

/not really ripping on the movie but the characters were kind of stupid

Well, to be fair, Lt. Gorman did take their heavy firepower away when they went into the atmospheric processing station to find the survivors. They were just using pistols and shotguns. So they were overpowered. However, when they were trying to repel the alien attack later on, they stood their ground for a while.


Serious question.....does the military work like that in real life? Put some guy in charge who has little, if any, experience in the field? Grizzled old Sargent Apone knows what to do but is outranked by rookie gorman.
 
2012-11-14 10:37:20 AM

jeanwearinfool: So we're having this thread again?


THIS FILM WAS TERRIBLE, WE WILL DISCUSS WHY, AND YOU WILL TAKE NOTES WITH A FULL REPORT WHEN IT'S DONE.
 
2012-11-14 10:39:32 AM

liam76: clkeagle: Mugato: You should know that just because a person has book smarts doesn't always mean a person has common sense.

We're not talking about some random small town in a creature flick - we're talking about people who were hand-picked to fly to another planet. You're picturing a random group of grad students. Think along the lines of scientists who have been on shuttle flights or served on the space station, and their behavior and decisions are utterly inexplicable.

These guys hopped on a space flight having no idea where it was going, what they would be doing, or who they would be with. While they may have been hand picked, they aren't going ot be the best of the best or have the best careers.

/even then theyw ere still stupid, but no so stupid it ruined the movie for me.


Yes but they were hand picked for a trillion dollar mission. Why would the people planning the mission even think about hiring them. I wouldn't have trusted those bozos to tie my shoelaces.

And why wouldn't you tell them what they were getting into so you could TRAIN THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.
 
2012-11-14 10:39:54 AM

GungFu: flaminio: I wonder if there are enough deleted scenes for someone over at fanedit.org to make a version of the film that's closer to the original idea. It'd be an interesting exercise, and I'd be curious to see it.


They already did it. It was called Aliens V Predator.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 600x398]

[www.fanimages.com image 500x340] 

1. Expeditions. Yes
2. Funded by ailing Tycoons. Yes.
3. Tycoon wants reward (longer life/ recognition/technology). Yes
4. Locations have Ancient Aliens connection. Yes.
5. Female scientist lead. Yes.
6. Location used by Intelligent Lifeform (The Predators/ Engineers). Yes.
7. Location used for military/ weaponry motives. Yes.

etc etc....just no David and fancy CGI tech stuff.


DON'T EVEN START WITH THAT SHIAT, AVP was far worse that Prometheus

/I liked Prometheus, despite the sometimes dumb characters. The atmosphere, music, etc was fantastic, and the final scene was great.
 
2012-11-14 10:41:29 AM

keepitcherry: I will never give money to anything involving Lindelof again. He ruined lost, he shiat all over Star Trek, and now he wiped his ass with this movie. Prometheus had so much potential, what a giant POS that turned out to be.


Wait... how exactly did he ruin Star Trek. The recent movie was great.
 
2012-11-14 10:44:49 AM
I watched the review done by Redlettermedia. They pointed out a lot of the things posted here. Plus the fact that the protagonist has problems standing after her surgery, yet can run, jump, climb, etc. without any problems at all.
 
2012-11-14 10:45:59 AM

CujoQuarrel: Yes but they were hand picked for a trillion dollar mission. Why would the people planning the mission even think about hiring them. I wouldn't have trusted those bozos to tie my shoelaces.

And why wouldn't you tell them what they were getting into so you could TRAIN THEM TO WORK TOGETHER.


It would have been much more sensible were there a core of military-esque operators that knew what was going on, and their role was to train up to protect the scientists. Then the ignorance of the scientists would have been excusable; they'd just be particularly talkative tools that the grunts would haul around.
 
2012-11-14 10:46:58 AM

AntonChigger: keepitcherry: I will never give money to anything involving Lindelof again. He ruined lost, he shiat all over Star Trek, and now he wiped his ass with this movie. Prometheus had so much potential, what a giant POS that turned out to be.

Wait... how exactly did he ruin Star Trek. The recent movie was great.



Was it Lindelof's idea to have Simon Pegg?

If so, I see your point. Or was it his idea for the flares?
 
2012-11-14 10:47:33 AM

thecpt: whizbangthedirtfarmer: She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.

This is where some people find problems in the movie, it went against her established character. Pilots are supposed to be to think fast for their lively hood and she was no different. They showed her as a cold, calculating ice queen. Her panicking when there was a simple solution breaks established character. If they foreshadowed this with indecisiveness I would have been fine with it.


Yeah, she's shown to be cold and calculating but doesn't display much technical prowess. At the end of the movie, she's ordering the pilot to take off, and when he refuses, she has no choice but to leave in the escape pod. A cut-throat but not much of a pilot.
 
2012-11-14 10:48:15 AM
Has the script changed since the original thread went up?
 
2012-11-14 10:50:03 AM

thecpt: whizbangthedirtfarmer: She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.

This is where some people find problems in the movie, it went against her established character. Pilots are supposed to be to think fast for their lively hood and she was no different. They showed her as a cold, calculating ice queen. Her panicking when there was a simple solution breaks established character. If they foreshadowed this with indecisiveness I would have been fine with it.


Pilots think fast in emergency situations where they have likely trained for that or a similiar emergency.

Panicking when some giant structure is falling towards you isn't really the same as general indecisiveness.


CujoQuarrel: Yes but they were hand picked for a trillion dollar mission. Why would the people planning the mission even think about hiring them. I wouldn't have trusted those bozos to tie my shoelaces.


Because any real professional with hands on experience in high risk areas isn;t going to jump at the chance to take a mission where they tell you nothing, and once you start asking around peopel are going to start asking questions you don't want asked.


CujoQuarrel: And why wouldn't you tell them what they were getting into so you could TRAIN THEM TO WORK TOGETHER


Because you have a short time line and you are terrified it is going to get out.
 
2012-11-14 10:51:24 AM

Mugato: moothemagiccow: Anyone comparing it to a slasher movie should watch Aliens.

The point in Aliens was that all these badass space marines who spent the first 20 minutes of the movie bragging about how badass they were turned into incompetent cowards when the finally had to face the aliens. That was an intentional plot point. Running from something coming at you and not simply moving to the side was just sort of goofy.

/not really ripping on the movie but the characters were kind of stupid


Yeah and the queen coming back at the end of aliens was slasher goofy. Paul Reiser was goofy. I guess my point is that I don't understand how people can complain about a franchise that features one good movie and several awful sequels. This was the best alien-related movie in decades. What were people expecting?
 
2012-11-14 10:57:12 AM

liam76: Pilots think fast in emergency situations where they have likely trained for that or a similiar emergency.

Panicking when some giant structure is falling towards you isn't really the same as general indecisiveness.


They're naturally instinctive normally, but saying you're right she still didn't train for several instances that happened where she was able to make the correct decision within seconds such as Noomi's lover being infected and approaching the vessel. She immediately calculated the risk and sought precisely the appropriate equipment. A big ol' flamethrower and the resolve to off him.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:03 AM

Sybarite: I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit


Yeah, you'd never find an astronaut, president, or head of the CIA/former 4 star general getting caught out there.
 
2012-11-14 11:04:00 AM
It seems to me that this revered original script basically explained everything and left little for us to question. I personally was much happier with what we got in Prometheus. It was not a perfect film, but no other film this year had my fiancee and I discussing it for so long afterwards.
 
2012-11-14 11:16:56 AM

sprawl15: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Are you telling me that it was skyscraper-tall but only a few yards wide? She ran in a straight line because she was panicked.

You do realize Noomi's character was lagging behind, fell, and then rolled out of the way, right? You're the one crying that people don't pay attention to movies and you don't realize this?


Damn, speaking of paying attention. The ship rolled over her, too, and she survived because she found cover under some rocks. My initial reaction to that scene wasn't "why didn't she run to the side?" but "damn, those are some sturdy rocks." Prometheus does have a ton of crappy holes, but I think a lot of folks tend to make it out to be worse because they didn't actually watch it, or they went to see if with preconceived notions.

The discussion of Theron's character not being "smart" was a part of this, too. She wasn't supposed to be "smart," she was merely supposed to be an enforcer of sorts. She was cold and dominating, but there are a lot of people out there who fit that description who are dumber than a bag of hammers.
 
2012-11-14 11:22:21 AM

s2s2s2: Sybarite: I'm not sure that this script really addressed the central problem of a collection of supposedly highly intelligent and educated people acting with all the forethought of an ADD 9-year-old on a caffeine bender; however, I did like this bit

Yeah, you'd never find an astronaut, president, or head of the CIA/former 4 star general getting caught out there.


I never thjought of diaper lady as a response to all the claims bypeopel how professionals would never act like that.
 
2012-11-14 11:25:54 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: She wasn't supposed to be "smart,"


No, she really was. She was the only one catching wise to David, and made very intelligent decisions up to that point including the escape pod feature of her room. The only preconceived notion I had was that I wasn't going to be watching idiots in space the movie with the addition that the only people proven to be competent suffering from stupid deaths too. If you just want to kill her off for no reason show the ship just landing on her and her overwhelmed expression at the last second.
 
2012-11-14 11:27:37 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: The ship rolled over her, too, and she survived because she found cover under some rocks.


Wrong. She got out of the way of the rolling, but the ship stopped rolling and then tipped over. That's what she survived thanks to the rocks.

Did you even watch the movie?
 
2012-11-14 11:50:17 AM

sprawl15: whizbangthedirtfarmer: The ship rolled over her, too, and she survived because she found cover under some rocks.

Wrong. She got out of the way of the rolling, but the ship stopped rolling and then tipped over. That's what she survived thanks to the rocks.

Did you even watch the movie?


Yes, I did.
 
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