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(My Fox Tampa Bay)   Gov. Rick Scott drops opposition to Obamacare, presumably so he can defraud another healthcare program   (myfoxtampabay.com) divider line 139
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2012-11-13 11:54:40 PM
"A family of three with income of $11,000 a year makes too much (for FL Medicaid) and single residents are not covered... Florida's Medicaid program currently costs more than $21 billion a year, with the federal government picking up roughly half the tab. It covers nearly 3 million people -- about half are children -- and consumes about 30 percent of the state budget."

Jesus H. Christ on a stripper pole! There's a shiatload of REALLY broke mofos in Florida!
 
2012-11-14 12:01:57 AM
11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?
 
2012-11-14 12:02:09 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "A family of three with income of $11,000 a year makes too much (for FL Medicaid) and single residents are not covered... Florida's Medicaid program currently costs more than $21 billion a year, with the federal government picking up roughly half the tab. It covers nearly 3 million people -- about half are children -- and consumes about 30 percent of the state budget."

Jesus H. Christ on a stripper pole! There's a shiatload of REALLY broke mofos in Florida!


If only there was a government program that could be started to bring health care for everyone. Something that has "care" in its name.
 
2012-11-14 12:07:36 AM

Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?


Republicans have done that in every state. Can't have a government program designed to help people actually HELP people now can we?
 
2012-11-14 12:18:29 AM

Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?


It was called "welfare reform".
 
2012-11-14 12:23:08 AM

Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?


I bet they have a refrigerator.
 
2012-11-14 12:47:35 AM
Looks like he realized that it'll happen whether he likes it or not.
 
2012-11-14 06:01:51 AM
at some point they will all drop opposition to Obamacare.
 
2012-11-14 06:34:21 AM

NewportBarGuy: Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?

It was called "welfare reform".


Thanks for the TF subscription! That was very cool of you.
 
2012-11-14 06:36:13 AM

Relatively Obscure: Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?

I bet they have a refrigerator.


And even a microwave.
Obviously they're secretly wealthy from the tens of dollars worth of assistance they receive.
 
2012-11-14 06:51:39 AM
Does this means the Derp Brigade will turn on Governor Scott as being a RINO, now?
 
2012-11-14 06:52:45 AM

log_jammin: at some point they will all drop opposition to Obamacare.


The problem is the short attention span of the American People. When they decide they can't fight it, they will have to reverse course and remind people that it was something THEY actually suggested to begin with.
Because they have spent the last several years attempting to deny that fact, they have their work cut out for them.
 
2012-11-14 06:55:10 AM
If we can inch towards single payer, then what the fark are you libs whining about?
 
2012-11-14 06:58:22 AM

theorellior: Does this means the Derp Brigade will turn on Governor Scott as being a RINO, now?


I'm hoping this is a trend. I haven't seen Christie on his knees, begging forgiveness from FOX, and that comment by the producer (we know it's bullshiat, we do it for ratings), was tantamount to treason in derperland. I'm really hoping these guys have seen the writing on the wall.

Did Scott just go up for re-election? If he's got two years, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a repositioning.
 
2012-11-14 07:00:33 AM

Relatively Obscure: Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?

I bet they have a refrigerator.


You can't be considered poor if you own a trash can.
 
2012-11-14 07:03:13 AM
Rick Scott, in all his glory

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2012-11-14 07:04:23 AM

jso2897: The problem is the short attention span of the American People. When they decide they can't fight it, they will have to reverse course and remind people that it was something THEY actually suggested to begin with.
Because they have spent the last several years attempting to deny that fact, they have their work cut out for them.


nah. They stomp their foot, pout, and tell everyone they won't participate. Then they do nothing. "Obamacare" gets implemented, and the angry republican crowds are already screaming about a new outrage.

and don't forget, to most of the peons on the right, "Obamacare" is just a replacement word for "socialism". They have no clue what is actually in the bill. They just know they were told it's going to destroy they very fabric of space/time itself.
 
2012-11-14 07:04:54 AM
Scott is two years in.

He's also punishment for anyone who complained about Crist, ever.

Also, This latest derp-wave has led to freakin JEB being described as a moderate. They're practically drawing him as a liberal. (Though admittedly, he was a Bush opposed to oil drilling... Which is almost unthinkable.)
 
2012-11-14 07:06:34 AM
Watching some of these Republican "surrenders" and attempts to reach across the aisle sort of points to two possibilities.

1) Either these guys are striking a conciliatory tone and swallowing a few jagged little pills because they see the writing on the wall and want to stay relevant, or b) they favored the programs all along and were just saying no because the evil Democrat had his name on them. A Venn diagram of these two possibilities might reveal some overlap.

Cousin of mine tried that "I'ma hold my breath and turn blue!" thing when he didn't get some toy he wanted. He didn't really have a contingency for what might happen if his mum still didn't give in. Took only a couple of tries for him to give up.
 
2012-11-14 07:06:39 AM
And suddenly, Obama is no longer a 4 letter word. I'll very much enjoy this while it lasts.
 
2012-11-14 07:07:07 AM

log_jammin: jso2897: The problem is the short attention span of the American People. When they decide they can't fight it, they will have to reverse course and remind people that it was something THEY actually suggested to begin with.
Because they have spent the last several years attempting to deny that fact, they have their work cut out for them.

nah. They stomp their foot, pout, and tell everyone they won't participate. Then they do nothing. "Obamacare" gets implemented, and the angry republican crowds are already screaming about a new outrage.

and don't forget, to most of the peons on the right, "Obamacare" is just a replacement word for "socialism". They have no clue what is actually in the bill. They just know they were told it's going to destroy they very fabric of space/time itself.


This would be a good time to remind everyone that polls show that it's really only the name that gets derpers riled up; the actual provisions of the bill are generally supported.

/Death panels? You mean like a panel of insurance agents deciding to drop coverage due to high costs?
 
2012-11-14 07:07:45 AM
media.tumblr.com

Remember when I opposed Obamacare Florida, I sounded JUST LIKE THIS!
 
2012-11-14 07:08:10 AM
"He said it's time for Republicans to offer solutions to help families after they lost their bid to defeat President Barack Obama."

That statement is very telling....if Obama lost, no need to offer solutions to help families...that is not what the GOP is about.
 
2012-11-14 07:09:16 AM

log_jammin: at some point they will all drop opposition to Obamacare.


Was listening to a bit on NPR this morning; Colorado Republicans are going along with the efforts to create a state exchange, largely because they want it down on the state level and not have the feds to it for them. I suspect a lot of the other states will start moving towards that logic as well.

Also curious on how Romney is going to handle this, given that he no longer has to appease all the tea baggers. Is he going to have the backbone to approve of his work again?
 
2012-11-14 07:13:01 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Also curious on how Romney is going to handle this


romney is gone, never to return.
 
2012-11-14 07:13:39 AM

log_jammin: at some point they will all drop opposition to Obamacare.


Probably... They'll do it quietly on Friday afternoon after spending the week bemoaning intrusive Federal Government and Obama's "socialism".
 
2012-11-14 07:14:17 AM

Serious Black: Relatively Obscure: Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?

I bet they have a refrigerator.

You can't be considered poor if you own a trash can.


If the GOP go its way, the trash can and the refrigerator would be the same device. (i.e. The poor would be eating from dumpsters.)
 
2012-11-14 07:14:36 AM

BarkingUnicorn: "A family of three with income of $11,000 a year makes too much (for FL Medicaid) and single residents are not covered... Florida's Medicaid program currently costs more than $21 billion a year, with the federal government picking up roughly half the tab. It covers nearly 3 million people -- about half are children -- and consumes about 30 percent of the state budget."

Jesus H. Christ on a stripper pole! There's a shiatload of REALLY broke mofos in Florida!


Or a lot of retirees that never paid into the Florida Medicaid program. Northern states have the advantage of workers paying into their system, then some retire to another state and they never have to payout coverage on them. This lowers the burden on their system as they don't have to pay other states that their former residents moved in to.
 
2012-11-14 07:16:31 AM
Right now he is trailing a generic democrat in the polls.

Two years is a long time to make people forget.
 
2012-11-14 07:17:41 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Also curious on how Romney is going to handle this


Who?
 
2012-11-14 07:20:45 AM
And the first domino falls. This should be interesting.
 
2012-11-14 07:21:01 AM

StrikitRich: BarkingUnicorn: "A family of three with income of $11,000 a year makes too much (for FL Medicaid) and single residents are not covered... Florida's Medicaid program currently costs more than $21 billion a year, with the federal government picking up roughly half the tab. It covers nearly 3 million people -- about half are children -- and consumes about 30 percent of the state budget."

Jesus H. Christ on a stripper pole! There's a shiatload of REALLY broke mofos in Florida!

Or a lot of retirees that never paid into the Florida Medicaid program. Northern states have the advantage of workers paying into their system, then some retire to another state and they never have to payout coverage on them. This lowers the burden on their system as they don't have to pay other states that their former residents moved in to.


This is a great argument for a national system. A mobile population will screw over state systems because we don't have an adjustment system to handle the effect of migration in or out of states. By its very nature, that can't happen with a nationl system because if you pay into the till while you're in state X, you're drawing from the same till after you move to state Y.
 
2012-11-14 07:22:17 AM

phansen: Satanic_Hamster: Also curious on how Romney is going to handle this

Who?


You know, the guy who was always getting beat by the generic GOP candidate before he was beaten by Obama. Yeah, that guy.
 
2012-11-14 07:23:19 AM
I love the Affordable Care Act. I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody. Because, no doubt, this bill promises to make health care more expensive and less available.
 
2012-11-14 07:25:52 AM

log_jammin: Satanic_Hamster: Also curious on how Romney is going to handle this

romney is gone, never to return.


His irrelevance pleases me.

More to the point: it's nice to see a state with even more insane medicaid requirements than Texas. Congratulations, Florida, you always let me feel like I'm not the biggest asshole in the room (no small feat)
 
2012-11-14 07:26:42 AM

DrPainMD: I love the Affordable Care Act. I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody. Because, no doubt, this bill promises to make health care more expensive and less available.


More expensive and less available than our current ststem, which costs more than half-again as much as anybody else's,per capita, and only insures 60% of our people? It would be pretty hard to get more expensive, or less available than that.
 
2012-11-14 07:27:58 AM

DrPainMD: I love the Affordable Care Act. I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody. Because, no doubt, this bill promises to make health care more expensive and less available.


And the obvious solution to not having enough doctors to provide health care to everyone is to tell the poor to farking die already, right?
 
2012-11-14 07:28:04 AM

born_yesterday: /Death panels? You mean like a panel of insurance agents deciding to drop coverage due to high costs?


How DARE you. That's the free market at work, not a death panel!
 
2012-11-14 07:29:27 AM
Not sure what it is now, but 8 years ago in KY, income of ONLY $100 wk (total $433 mo) was too high for a family of 2 to qualify. Oh, and that's only if you have a child under 18. Single male/female or kids over 18 = no Medicaid for you :-(.

And this math is crazy. $21B/3M people is an average of $70K PER PERSON?
 
2012-11-14 07:30:06 AM

Serious Black: DrPainMD: I love the Affordable Care Act. I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody. Because, no doubt, this bill promises to make health care more expensive and less available.

And the obvious solution to not having enough doctors to provide health care to everyone is to tell the poor to farking die already, right?


Well OBVIOUSLY! Can't have all these dirty poor ppl taking up all my precious precious oh-so-expensive medical supplies!
 
2012-11-14 07:30:43 AM

Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?


14 States Where Making Just $5,000 Can Get You Kicked Off Medicaid


/Embiggened for emphasis
 
2012-11-14 07:31:34 AM

nmemkha: If the GOP go its way, the trash can and the refrigerator would be the same device.


You've not seen the inside of my fridge, have you?
 
2012-11-14 07:34:15 AM

GAT_00: Elandriel: 11,000 a YEAR spread across 3 people is TOO MUCH for medicaid?

What the unholy hell?

Republicans have done that in every state. Can't have a government program designed to help people actually HELP people now can we?


And even then, Medicaid is THIRTY farkING PERCENT of the state's budget.

What the unholy hell, indeed.

While I agree that everyone should be covered by some form of health insurance, just finding ways to pay for it isn't enough. The cost of health care needs to be brought down. I have no idea how you do that. Fire the hospital administrators, I guess, and let doctors do their own managing.

/which I imagine would be disastrous for each doctor's individual practice
 
2012-11-14 07:35:34 AM
Does anyone know what happens to the states that don't expand right away, such as if they decide to participate in 3 years? Is the decrease in fed subsidy from 100% to 90% hardcoded by scheduled implementation date so they'd get even fewer years of 100%?
 
2012-11-14 07:36:47 AM

Izunbacol: Though admittedly, he was a Bush opposed to oil drilling... Which is almost unthinkable


Buh? If there were anything that would destroy the space/time continuum, I'd think it'd be that.
 
2012-11-14 07:38:00 AM

peasandcarrots: or b) they favored the programs all along and were just saying no because the evil Democrat had his name on them.


Considering that Obamacare came from Romneycare, which came from The Heritage Foundation, I'm suspecting it's (b).
 
2012-11-14 07:39:14 AM

DrPainMD: I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody.


We're gonna need more doctors? JOB CREATION!
 
2012-11-14 07:39:33 AM

born_yesterday: /Death panels? You mean like a panel of insurance agents deciding to drop coverage due to high costs?


Yeah, but it's OK when capitalists do it.
 
2012-11-14 07:39:57 AM
 
2012-11-14 07:41:30 AM

Wyalt Derp: DrPainMD: I can't wait to see who gets the blame when costs go thru the roof and there aren't enough medical personnel to take care of everybody.

We're gonna need more doctors? JOB CREATION!


He apparently thinks it will cost MORE than half-again what the rest of the world pays, and insure FEWER than 60% of the populace. Because that is what it would have to do to be worse than what we have now.
 
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