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2012-11-14 06:23:10 AM
6 votes:
The future is coming. You can't stop it. It isn't going to be "conservative", and it isn't going to be white, and it isn't going to be "Christian".
Deal with it.
2012-11-14 06:39:29 AM
5 votes:
Yet another case of companies caving because of outside pressure, its pathetic that assholes use this tactic to shame and bully companies into doing what they say.

Once you look at all the teachers who are in their 30s-40s trying or farking 12-15 year old boys you can see why parents would have issues with gay men camping alone with their boys.
2012-11-13 09:30:23 PM
5 votes:
People shouldn't give to the Boy Scouts because they covered up thousands of cases of their people raping children.

Even if they reverse their bigoted policies, they'll still be an organization that covered up child rape.
2012-11-14 08:24:24 AM
4 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: so INtel and UPS SUPPORT child molestation cause gay = child molester


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I see it as more being corallated than a causation.

If we believe science on this matter then we know that men think about sex a lot. So here you have a group that is trying to get men and fathers toteach their sons how to be good responsible adults and use camping/outdoors as the vehicle for this.

These fathers and mothers want a safe environment for thier sons to do this.

Pedophiles tend to be more weighted on the male side, therefor scouts don't allow a solo man to be alone with a boy. That's great because you have reduced your risk of an incident.

You can further reduce risk of unwanted incidents if you can screen out people who ready have an attraction to that sex.

It's all about being safe and reducing a risk of an unwanted sexual encounter.
2012-11-14 07:35:44 AM
4 votes:
As a heterosexual Eagle Scout and someone who hopes to become a scoutmaster in the future, I want to applaud Intel and UPS on this move.

It's high time people stood up to the bigoted Mormon bullies who have taken over scouting and are steering it straight into the rocks. My scoutmaster didn't care if you were straight, gay, trans-gendered, purple, black, white, albino, democrat, republican, communist, whatever. You were first and foremost a scout under his charge and he made damned sure you were treated with the utmost of respect by all other scouts. I hope to someday be in a similar position where I can help scouts of any race, creed, color, sexuality, whatever, reach their full potential and realize their goals in scouting.
2012-11-14 07:18:10 AM
4 votes:

cy_co_whore: But having a son who is in Scouts I always wondered how I would handle this. He is almost 12 and he knows what someone being gay means, but I would have really hated to have to explain it to him when he was too much younger because his leader had brought his boyfriend to a meeting or on a camping trip (like a lot of leaders whose wives are involved at the cub scout level.)


You would say "Most men have women partners, but some men have other men as partners and some women have other women as partners." Your child would then nod, accept it, and move on to other things that concerned him more.
2012-11-14 05:44:45 AM
4 votes:
That's awfully short sighted of them. Nothing says grind a political axe like burying it in the backs of the nation's youth.

Intel and UPS should be proudly supporting the Boy Scouts instead of making short sighted, spineless decisions like giving into the bullying of the professional homosexuals, whose only accomplishment is trying to destroy the achievements of others.

They really are pathetic.
2012-11-14 05:24:29 AM
4 votes:

dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.


Handy hint: Freedom of speech does not protect you from other people having an opinion on what you say, and acting on it.
2012-11-14 05:22:17 AM
4 votes:
So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.
2012-11-13 09:27:39 PM
4 votes:
as the current cubmaster of my son's pack, I say "good" as well.
2012-11-14 08:06:54 AM
3 votes:

CheatCommando: orbister: Might I just point out that homophobia in Scouting is an american thing?

Well the Scouts in the US are almost a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mormon Church these days, so are you really surprised?


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How does 20% participation rate with thier own subdivision in Scouting equal "almost wholly owned by". Seems more like a minority group who do thier own thing.

Seriously you guys fear of a vast Mormon agenda is as herpaderp as a vast gay agenda. Or maybe the hate on a minority group within scouting is a way for the vast gay agenda to get revenge for prop 8? Sounds as dumb as your conspiracy theory about the Mormons and has as much proof and logic.
2012-11-14 07:28:14 AM
3 votes:
This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.
2012-11-14 07:18:36 AM
3 votes:
I have a young son, and I will not let him join the scouts without some major changes to their policies . Taking away corporate money is all well and good, but the real pressure will come from the drop in the number of boys whose parents feel the same way I do.
2012-11-14 12:36:09 AM
3 votes:
Time to petition Obama to resign his post as honorary president of the BSA. What's he have to lose?
2012-11-13 09:11:30 PM
3 votes:
Holy crap.
That's pretty great.
2012-11-14 09:53:13 AM
2 votes:

Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.


Pretty much this...

The other thing that comes to mind is this is how far the political correctness trolls have gone. Companies are now attention whoring by doing things publicly to appease the PC trolls. Nevermind the fact this organization is one of the best youth organizations when it comes to teaching usefully skills and promoting confidence...no lets yank our money for attention.
2012-11-14 09:19:59 AM
2 votes:
I'm a little torn on this.

I've worked as a camp counsellor before (it wasn't boy scouts, and I don't really know how that works), and it was a lot of fun; we went hiking out into the bush, in the middle of nowhere for about a week, and I was responsible for 8 boys. If someone had told me to take a group of girls of the same age (12-15), it would be a huge liability all around. I'd be terrified of ending up in a situation that might be perceived as compromising; the girls would probably feel uncomfortable; the camp's liability insurance would go through the roof -it just wouldn't work. It's not that there's any reason to assume that I'm a pedophile, it's just that it's best to avoid the potential for that kind of situation entirely.

Do boy scouts go out on remote trips with only their counsellors ? If so, then there kinda is a reason to say that gay counsellors shouldn't be going out with groups of boys. It's not discriminatory, and it's not because there's any reason to think that they're more likely to be pedophiles than anyone else ('cause we can all agree that they aren't) - it's just for the same reason that it wouldn't have been a good idea for me (assuming I'm straight) to go out with a group of girls. The risk of perceived problems is pretty high.

Gay campers should absolutely be allowed -there's no power-dynamic problem there, so the policy is still discriminatory. But gay counsellors? just honestly ask yourself if you'd feel ok about a straight 20-year-old dude escorting a half-dozen 14-year-old girls alone in the forest for a week.
2012-11-14 08:43:22 AM
2 votes:

1nsanilicious: Jon iz teh kewl: so INtel and UPS SUPPORT child molestation cause gay = child molester

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I see it as more being corallated than a causation.

If we believe science on this matter then we know that men think about sex a lot. So here you have a group that is trying to get men and fathers toteach their sons how to be good responsible adults and use camping/outdoors as the vehicle for this.

These fathers and mothers want a safe environment for thier sons to do this.

Pedophiles tend to be more weighted on the male side, therefor scouts don't allow a solo man to be alone with a boy. That's great because you have reduced your risk of an incident.

You can further reduce risk of unwanted incidents if you can screen out people who ready have an attraction to that sex.

It's all about being safe and reducing a risk of an unwanted sexual encounter.


The majority of child molesters identify as heterosexual, are married, and consider themselves religious. I am not saying that being a straight and married Christian causes someone to rape children, but it is corallated. For the safety of the children we should only allow openly gay atheists to be scout leaders.
2012-11-14 08:31:49 AM
2 votes:
so the only ones truly hurt by this are the boys in small towns and inner cities who are helped by those funds
2012-11-14 08:17:50 AM
2 votes:

DrPainMD: jso2897: The future is coming. You can't stop it. It isn't going to be "conservative", and it isn't going to be white, and it isn't going to be "Christian".
Deal with it.

So, you're saying that people should just go along with the crowd and not live their lives the way they want? You'll regret that when you're 90 and realize that you've wasted your life.


Going along with the crowd and believing what others tell you to believe is how farkers show that they are liberal free-thinkers.
2012-11-14 07:50:03 AM
2 votes:

steamingpile: Once you look at all the teachers who are in their 30s-40s trying or farking 12-15 year old boys you can see why parents would have issues with gay men camping alone with their boys.


Ok, I think you are confusing FEMALE teachers banging teenage boys. That aside, I think the point you are (wrongly) attempting to drive home is homosexuality = pedophilia/hebephilia. Come on man, this shiat was pushed hard in the 50's. Just because a grown man wants to suck another grown mans dick, does not mean he wants to suck a dick of a 10 year old. This homo=pedo shiat has got to stop. It is unacceptable to continue to think this way. If I want to bang the nations youth, you know what? My sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with that. It means that I am farked up in the head regardless of the sex I prefer to bang.

Stop being so myopic in thinking that homo=pedo.
2012-11-14 07:20:48 AM
2 votes:

DrPainMD:
So, you're saying that people should just go along with the crowd and not live their lives the way they want? You'll regret that when you're 90 and realize that you've wasted your life.


Absolutely. Great argument in favour of coming out.
2012-11-14 07:20:32 AM
2 votes:
You guys realize that the Boy Scouts is a private organization and is supposed to be about learning outdoor skills and teamwork right? I don't think they wanted it to be a place for eight year old boys to get fondled by gay scout masters.

(Please make more comments about grammatical errors)
2012-11-14 07:18:05 AM
2 votes:

jso2897: The future is coming. You can't stop it. It isn't going to be "conservative", and it isn't going to be white, and it isn't going to be "Christian".
Deal with it.


So, you're saying that people should just go along with the crowd and not live their lives the way they want? You'll regret that when you're 90 and realize that you've wasted your life.
2012-11-14 07:13:47 AM
2 votes:
It's wrong to demonize and discriminate against people just because they are different. Unless it's you demonizing and discriminating against people who are different from you. That's OK.
2012-11-14 06:59:39 AM
2 votes:

Stinkyy: Teaching kids to be perverts is heroic.


Hurrr Durr.
2012-11-14 06:53:55 AM
2 votes:
Teaching kids to be perverts is heroic.
2012-11-14 06:44:31 AM
2 votes:
Its supposed to be an organization for young boys... I don't understand societies fascination with wanting to read see and hear about homosexual relationships going on in the Boy Scouts. Its like some kind of pedophiles fantasy that has spread through the politically correct zombie landscape known as the U.S.A
In short, our country has gone to hell in a hand basket and there is no saving it at this stage of retardation.
2012-11-14 06:37:34 AM
2 votes:

Buffalo77: Goodfella
BSOA


Good. This is the same reason I dont give to United Way.

Bigots can go find another way of financing their organizations.

Ironic since I don't give to the United Way either because some of their chapters don't donate to the BSOA.


Bigot doesn't mean what you thinks it means, bigot. And hey, another gathering of the regular Fark pedos.
2012-11-14 06:35:59 AM
2 votes:
2012-11-14 06:25:14 AM
2 votes:

one small post for man: H31N0US: Hunter_Worthington: That's awfully short sighted of them. Nothing says grind a political axe like burying it in the backs of the nation's youth.

Intel and UPS should be proudly supporting the Boy Scouts instead of making short sighted, spineless decisions like giving into the bullying of the professional homosexuals, whose only accomplishment is trying to destroy the achievements of others.

They really are pathetic.

0.5/10, although "professional homosexuals" is kind of catchy.

Wonder if they are anything like executive transvestites


I think it's a licensed title, like Certified Public Bisexual.
2012-11-14 05:52:11 AM
2 votes:
It's really sad to see BSA involved in such deplorable things. I was a boyscout. Scouting taught me a lot. Not just about wilderness survival, but also about safety and preparedness. I built a lot of character in the scouts and learned a lot of things that still help me today. It's sad to see them bring so much scorn upon themselves.
2012-11-14 05:49:22 AM
2 votes:

dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.


If, by immediately, you mean over the coarse of 100+ years, and if, by ostracized, you mean companies and people decide to stop giving them free money until stop acting like bigoted assholes, then I completely agree with everything you just said.
2012-11-14 05:17:33 AM
2 votes:

kmmontandon: The Scouts' anti-gay stance is fairly ironic considering the rumors surrounding Baden-Powell's "friendship" with a close male friend.


Might I just point out that homophobia in Scouting is an american thing? The (original) Scout Association in the UK is completely gay-friendly. Here's what they say: The Scout Association has an equal opportunities policy, and welcomes members regardless of their sexual orientation or gender.

If you follow the link you'll find fact sheets encouraging gay scouts and gay scout leaders. Note to any BSA defenders: the skies haven't fallen in and Scouting remains very popular in the UK.
2012-11-14 03:08:41 AM
2 votes:
The Scouts' anti-gay stance is fairly ironic considering the rumors surrounding Baden-Powell's "friendship" with a close male friend.
2012-11-13 10:59:35 PM
2 votes:
I read about Intel doing this a couple of days ago in my local newspaper. Good on them and good on UPS too.
2012-11-13 09:19:37 PM
2 votes:
Good.
2012-11-14 09:35:42 PM
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Goodfella: Good. This is the same reason I dont give to United Way.

Bigots can go find another way of financing their organizations.

Me, too. They brought the donation sheet around at work and I thought of the Boy Scouts - and wrote down Zero.
I recognize Scouts do some good things superficially, but when the underpinnings of the organization are so transparently rotten, well ...


I don't give to the United Way because they support an abortion provider. Funny how we do the same thing but I have a feeling we may not see eye to eye on the matter. I realize Planned Parenthood does some good things superficially, but.....
2012-11-14 05:05:47 PM
1 votes:
Men having sex with boys is exactly why the scouts is trying to prevent gays from serving as leaders. Looks like abunch snuck in.
2012-11-14 04:10:30 PM
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hey UPS and Intel how about ending UPS service to countries that are "really anti-gay agenda " (instead of beating on the Scouts .) Really put the old values versus money test. Let's start with the 46 self identified Muslim countries.


Um, UPS isn't refusing to deliver packages for the Boy Scouts, nor is Intel refusing to sell them CPUs... So, your comparison is totally unrelated... I don't imagine either company donates a bunch of free charity money in support of those repressive governments, however... Nor do they have any obligation to continue to donate to the Boy Scouts if they disagree with their stance on this or any other issue...
2012-11-14 11:16:37 AM
1 votes:

Aquapope: dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.

So this is what things have come to. An organization (UPS) stands up for it's longstanding beliefs (non-discrimination) and is immediately shouted down and ostracized castigated by the non-PC crowd. Fark UPS dinwv- they he sucks dick anyway. 

Cool, trolling works in reverse, too. Kind of an AC/DC, bi-trolling thing.


NOT, if they did they would not be doing business in many anti gay countries. Dont be obtuse
2012-11-14 10:32:37 AM
1 votes:

omnimancer28: Joe Blowme: omnimancer28: Aikidogamer: Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.

Pretty much this...

The other thing that comes to mind is this is how far the political correctness trolls have gone. Companies are now attention whoring by doing things publicly to appease the PC trolls. Nevermind the fact this organization is one of the best youth organizations when it comes to teaching usefully skills and promoting confidence...no lets yank our money for attention.

No, lets yank their money because their discriminatory policies conflict with the policies of companies like UPS. As a conservative, you should be supportive of this action. It is a perfect example of economic laissez-faire. Let the corporations that fund the scouts vote with their money and do with it as they please without outside interference.

Also, as a conservative, I am sure you would like to see the BSOA lose their government funding. We need to cut spending and the scouts can surely find their funding through private charitable donations that do not involve our tax-dollars.

Point is they still support/ do business with far worse people and governments which advocate KILLING gays. Hipocracy and pandering... this is how it works

The corporations have no interest except protecting their bottom line. As selfish as it is, your average American customer of UPS cares more about the BSOA's policies than they do about Uganda deciding to execute and imprison gays.


And that is sad
2012-11-14 10:19:36 AM
1 votes:

Aikidogamer: omnimancer28: Aikidogamer: Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.

Pretty much this...

The other thing that comes to mind is this is how far the political correctness trolls have gone. Companies are now attention whoring by doing things publicly to appease the PC trolls. Nevermind the fact this organization is one of the best youth organizations when it comes to teaching usefully skills and promoting confidence...no lets yank our money for attention.

No, lets yank their money because their discriminatory policies conflict with the policies of companies like UPS. As a conservative, you should be supportive of this action. It is a perfect example of economic laissez-faire. Let the corporations that fund the scouts vote with their money and do with it as they please without outside interference.

Also, as a conservative, I am sure you would like to see the BSOA lose their government funding. We need to cut spending and the scouts can surely find their funding through private charitable donations that do not involve our tax-dollars.

No issues with either. Just do it quietly and don't use a press release to attention whore.


The companies issue press releases and attention whore when they FUND charities and groups like BSOA in the first place. Of course they are going to do the same when they de-fund them. You really cannot have an issue with UPS making a statement by taking their money away unless you also had an issue with them donating for the good press in the first place. If you don't want an organization to be used like this, do not accept money from corporate sources in the first place.
2012-11-14 10:16:53 AM
1 votes:

omnimancer28: Aikidogamer: Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.

Pretty much this...

The other thing that comes to mind is this is how far the political correctness trolls have gone. Companies are now attention whoring by doing things publicly to appease the PC trolls. Nevermind the fact this organization is one of the best youth organizations when it comes to teaching usefully skills and promoting confidence...no lets yank our money for attention.

No, lets yank their money because their discriminatory policies conflict with the policies of companies like UPS. As a conservative, you should be supportive of this action. It is a perfect example of economic laissez-faire. Let the corporations that fund the scouts vote with their money and do with it as they please without outside interference.

Also, as a conservative, I am sure you would like to see the BSOA lose their government funding. We need to cut spending and the scouts can surely find their funding through private charitable donations that do not involve our tax-dollars.


No issues with either. Just do it quietly and don't use a press release to attention whore.
2012-11-14 10:15:25 AM
1 votes:

MajorTubeSteak: Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.

Thank you for pointing out that liberals are hypocrites, but it is unfortunate that you are blind to the fact so are conservatives. Conservatives don't push their beliefs on others? Boy, that is rich. Here's a short list for you:

- No right to die to keep someone from suffering from a terminal illness
- No right to an abortion, even in the case of rape and incest (You conservatives are big on protecting life in front of the abortion clinic, but where is all that support afterwards. Where are you guys when the mother needs help raising that child?)
- Abstinence only sex education (hormones, how do they work?)
- The USA was founded as a Christian country (Except for that whole separation of church and state thing, oh and not all the founding fathers being Christian. So there's that.)
- Marriage being elusively between a man and a woman

If I were you, I would consider becoming a farmer. Cause you got fields full of derp ripe on the vine. You'll have a fine harvest.


I can agree with everything said here but the abortion part. To me that is a state rights issue. If you want to be a baby slaying state fine, but don't force nine to do it and don't make NY tax dollars pay for it unless it is medically necessary.

Also, the bit about helping mother out. They should be more selective about who/whom they sleep with. Simple standards the guy having a job, car, and place of his own would be indicative of someone who might be there should you win the biological lottery. More advanced standards such as being responsible, being hesitant to yell or use violence, and good at managing money would also help. I really get tired of hearing about the children of women who can't keep their legs closed when loser men are around. Women you have the ultimate veto power when it comes to sex, you should use it.
2012-11-14 10:07:11 AM
1 votes:

omnimancer28: Aikidogamer: Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.

Pretty much this...

The other thing that comes to mind is this is how far the political correctness trolls have gone. Companies are now attention whoring by doing things publicly to appease the PC trolls. Nevermind the fact this organization is one of the best youth organizations when it comes to teaching usefully skills and promoting confidence...no lets yank our money for attention.

No, lets yank their money because their discriminatory policies conflict with the policies of companies like UPS. As a conservative, you should be supportive of this action. It is a perfect example of economic laissez-faire. Let the corporations that fund the scouts vote with their money and do with it as they please without outside interference.

Also, as a conservative, I am sure you would like to see the BSOA lose their government funding. We need to cut spending and the scouts can surely find their funding through private charitable donations that do not involve our tax-dollars.


Point is they still support/ do business with far worse people and governments which advocate KILLING gays. Hipocracy and pandering... this is how it works
2012-11-14 09:58:42 AM
1 votes:

Mean Daddy: This is the difference between liberals and conservatives. If this was a big deal for me, as a conservative, I look at it and say, why doesn't someone create a "liberal" version of Boy Scouts and COMPETE against them. Homosexual leaders, great.

A liberal on the other hand, wants revenge and THEIR values pushed on the organization.


Thank you for pointing out that liberals are hypocrites, but it is unfortunate that you are blind to the fact so are conservatives. Conservatives don't push their beliefs on others? Boy, that is rich. Here's a short list for you:

- No right to die to keep someone from suffering from a terminal illness
- No right to an abortion, even in the case of rape and incest (You conservatives are big on protecting life in front of the abortion clinic, but where is all that support afterwards. Where are you guys when the mother needs help raising that child?)
- Abstinence only sex education (hormones, how do they work?)
- The USA was founded as a Christian country (Except for that whole separation of church and state thing, oh and not all the founding fathers being Christian. So there's that.)
- Marriage being elusively between a man and a woman

If I were you, I would consider becoming a farmer. Cause you got fields full of derp ripe on the vine. You'll have a fine harvest.
2012-11-14 09:47:56 AM
1 votes:

dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.


Yes, yes, long hard standing upright beliefs that they can shove down small male children's throats. Get over it the reason the BSA is anti-gay is because they have a pedophile problem and do not want to admit the problem is they covered up pedophilia, so they transferred their guilt onto the gay community, because obviously being homosexual is the same as being a pedophile.
2012-11-14 09:05:01 AM
1 votes:

monoski: diaphoresis: Joe Blowme: So instead o starting their own "gay" scouts group, they try to ruining the straight one... pathetic.
I wonder if they donate to any muslim groups who actually want to kill gays?

Here's a country they can donate to
Homosexuality is a crime

Where do you two get this shiat from? There are sects of Christianity who also feel the death penalty should be imposed on gays (even American politicians have insinuated as much) your stupid generalizations (muslim group = wants to kill gays) is sorely lacking. Go back to bigot-town.


Hows the sand taste? 93 nations in the world still legally punish homosexuality. In 7 of these - Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, United Arab Emirates, Sudan, Nigeria, Mauritania - gays and lesbians are punished with the death penalty. And im willing to bet these companies have business in most if not all of them.
2012-11-14 09:01:28 AM
1 votes:

diaphoresis: Joe Blowme: So instead o starting their own "gay" scouts group, they try to ruining the straight one... pathetic.
I wonder if they donate to any muslim groups who actually want to kill gays?

Here's a country they can donate to
Homosexuality is a crime


Hey UPS and Intel how about ending UPS service to countries that are "really anti-gay agenda " (instead of beating on the Scouts .) Really put the old values versus money test. Let's start with the 46 self identified Muslim countries.
In fact you may want to go beyond just the Gay agenda and include Honor Killings and female circumcision.

// Been knowing gays all my life. Not really remembering how many wanted to become Scout masters. More concern to moving to gay friendly cities than scouting.

/// Also if gays make up 2% of population how many out that % actually want to be Scout Leaders ?
The attacks on Boy Scouts has been going for decades.

// maybe Gays need to organize against Seagram and alcohol companies that damage the gay community through constant marketing and encouraging drinking. Rather than some kids meeting for an hour in a basement.

.
2012-11-14 08:51:58 AM
1 votes:

kimwim: Gays are no more attracted to children than straight adults.


Depends how you interpret the research. If I remember correctly, the research showed that not all homosexuals are pedophiles, but pedophiles have a proclivity towards homosexuality.
2012-11-14 08:45:46 AM
1 votes:

diaphoresis: Joe Blowme: So instead o starting their own "gay" scouts group, they try to ruining the straight one... pathetic.
I wonder if they donate to any muslim groups who actually want to kill gays?

Here's a country they can donate to
Homosexuality is a crime


Where do you two get this shiat from? There are sects of Christianity who also feel the death penalty should be imposed on gays (even American politicians have insinuated as much) your stupid generalizations (muslim group = wants to kill gays) is sorely lacking. Go back to bigot-town.
2012-11-14 08:43:47 AM
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As a middle aged man, how do I become a Girl Scout leader so I can take 14-year-old girls on overnight camping trips ?

Oh, I can't do that.

JUSTICE
2012-11-14 08:39:10 AM
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kimwim: 1nsanilicious: can screen out people who ready have an attraction to that sex.

Pedophilia =/= Homosexuality.

Gays are no more attracted to children than straight adults.

That's why scout leaders go through leadership training, Two-Deep leadership training. There must always be at least 2 adults with any group of kids at any time, either in the camp, at the lake, while some are back at the bunk house, 2 more. When 2 are at the cafe, 2 more must be with the boys at the field. Same for the boys. Always at least 2 together. Never can 1 be allowed to go alone anywhere. To the latrine, lake, ballfield, anywhere. two-deep leadership.


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Most wiuld agree that a sexual act of two men makes them gay. And while being a pedo as women can be too, does not mean you are gay, but by our first rule here man on man sex equals gay, then all male pedophiles that abuse young men are gay; therefor, excluding a big probability of pedophilia from happening (not saying all gays are pedos, but all pedos that are men in the scouts are gay) is ok with me.

I would much rather deal with hurt feelings of gay people than I would an already problematic pedophilia aftermath on the life of a young child.
2012-11-14 08:38:54 AM
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Wow this thread is trolled hard.
2012-11-14 08:38:41 AM
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So they are bowing to 3% of the population at the expense of the 97%? I thought the needs of the many out weigh the needs of the few... Spock, you lying bastard.
2012-11-14 08:30:22 AM
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So instead o starting their own "gay" scouts group, they try to ruining the straight one... pathetic.
I wonder if they donate to any muslim groups who actually want to kill gays?
2012-11-14 08:30:22 AM
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1nsanilicious: can screen out people who ready have an attraction to that sex.


Pedophilia =/= Homosexuality.

Gays are no more attracted to children than straight adults.

That's why scout leaders go through leadership training, Two-Deep leadership training. There must always be at least 2 adults with any group of kids at any time, either in the camp, at the lake, while some are back at the bunk house, 2 more. When 2 are at the cafe, 2 more must be with the boys at the field. Same for the boys. Always at least 2 together. Never can 1 be allowed to go alone anywhere. To the latrine, lake, ballfield, anywhere. two-deep leadership.
2012-11-14 08:07:16 AM
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DrPainMD: Goodfella: Good. This is the same reason I dont give to United Way.

Bigots can go find another way of financing their organizations.

That's mighty bigoted of you.


"How dare you not give me free money because of my discriminatory policies! You're the real bigot here!"

Do you really think this works on anyone?
2012-11-14 08:01:03 AM
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diaphoresis: Punishing an organization for traditional values... nice.

How are we gonna punish Muslims who beat women?
How do we punish LGBT for pushing an immoral ideaology?
Are we gonna punish Farkers for having their opinions?

/What's good for the goose....


You're clearly trolling, but am I "punishing" you because I don't donate to you?
2012-11-14 07:59:29 AM
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orbister:
You would say "Most men have women partners, but some men have other men as partners and some women have other women as partners." Your child would then nod, accept it, and move on to other things that concerned him more.


Thank you

That is pretty much how I explained it to him when he was about 9 or so... I guess the real issue I was dealing with was how to present it to him when I have to co-parent with my ex (the primary custodial parent) who seems to believe that any discussion about homosexuality will turn his son into raging "pervert". Living in the armpit of the south I have to struggle to teach my son the values that I believe in when the rest of his family and the community at large are working against me.
2012-11-14 07:49:43 AM
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Punishing an organization for traditional values... nice.

How are we gonna punish Muslims who beat women?
How do we punish LGBT for pushing an immoral ideaology?
Are we gonna punish Farkers for having their opinions?

/What's good for the goose....
2012-11-14 07:38:49 AM
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dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.


Nah, the PC crowd is you whining biatches.
And quit being PC. It's not "longstanding beliefs", it's "a bunch of child-raping homophobes".
2012-11-14 07:29:36 AM
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They can give the money to NAMBLA
2012-11-14 07:24:11 AM
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orbister: MagicMissile: You guys realize that the Boy Scouts is a private organization and is supposed to be about learning outdoor skills and teamwork right? I don't think they wanted it to be a place for eight year old boys to get fondled by gay scout masters.

Are private organisations allowed to exclude black people, as a matter of interest?


Yes they are, the KKK is a private organization, so is the "New Black Panthers". How come people aren't trying to get those two to accept each other instead?
2012-11-14 07:16:22 AM
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Goodfella: Good. This is the same reason I dont give to United Way.

Bigots can go find another way of financing their organizations.


That's mighty bigoted of you.
2012-11-14 07:13:35 AM
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steamingpile: Once you look at all the teachers who are in their 30s-40s trying or farking 12-15 year old boys you can see why parents would have issues with gay men straight women camping alone with their boys.

2012-11-14 07:01:32 AM
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MagicMissile: Its supposed to be an organization for young boys... I don't understand societies fascination with wanting to read see and hear about homosexual relationships going on in the Boy Scouts. Its like some kind of pedophiles fantasy that has spread through the politically correct zombie landscape known as the U.S.A
In short, our country has gone to hell in a hand basket and there is no saving it at this stage of retardation.


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Go back and read the Elmo thread, at least two dozen Farkers were there arguing why it was ok for them to rape children. All of them need to be on a "stay far far away from" list. Link One of them actually said "Sexual interest in pubescent children is not pedophilia". Fark needs to bring in some adult mods, perhaps some associated with that ABC show.
2012-11-14 06:50:19 AM
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I wonder if he is trying to boycott Chick-fil-a too, because that seemed to work as planned.
2012-11-14 06:30:16 AM
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orbister: kmmontandon: The Scouts' anti-gay stance is fairly ironic considering the rumors surrounding Baden-Powell's "friendship" with a close male friend.

Might I just point out that homophobia in Scouting is an american thing? The (original) Scout Association in the UK is completely gay-friendly. Here's what they say: The Scout Association has an equal opportunities policy, and welcomes members regardless of their sexual orientation or gender.

If you follow the link you'll find fact sheets encouraging gay scouts and gay scout leaders. Note to any BSA defenders: the skies haven't fallen in and Scouting remains very popular in the UK.


It's no coincidence that our favorite gay-bashing religious group has basically infiltrated and taken over most of the upper level scouting positions on the west coast as they are willing to throw lots of money behind it.

stolen from elsewhere:

"Mormons participate in Boy Scouts at a very high rate. While Mormons only make up 2% of the total US population, they account for nearly 20% of all Scouts. The Mormons even have their own specialized division of scouting, LDS Scouting and, until recently, a student could major in Scouting leadership at Mormon-based university, Brigham Young.

It seems the Mormons aren't afraid of throwing their weight around on issues they are concerned with and are on record as saying if the Boy Scouts of America is forced to accept gays as scoutmasters, the LDS Church will withdraw from the organization and take more than 400,000 Scouts with it."

Heck, they even have "eagle scout factories" where they pretty much ensure the kids get their eagle scouts handing them pre-packaged projects (which often tend to be building something the church wants).
2012-11-14 06:06:26 AM
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dinwv: So this is what things have come to. An organization stands up for it's longstanding beliefs and is immediately shouted down and ostracized by the PC crowd. Fark UPS- they suck anyway.


I've never understood the appeal to tradition.
2012-11-14 05:53:36 AM
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Good. This is the same reason I dont give to United Way.

Bigots can go find another way of financing their organizations.
2012-11-14 05:42:38 AM
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Yes, good on them. The anti-gay policies of scout leadership aren't morally straight. Neither is covering up child abuse. It's nice to see some of their funders calling them out on this.
2012-11-14 05:02:48 AM
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I participated in my first circle jerk in scouts. Not kidding.
2012-11-14 01:59:29 AM
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Good on them. Loving folks and caring isn't immoral.
2012-11-14 01:27:52 AM
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2012-11-14 01:18:29 AM
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Aarontology: Barfmaker: How would you compare this to the Penn State thing?

Scope. The Boy Scouts had many, many, many more victims.

All while claiming to be a moral organization.


They were moral. Morality means public adherence to rules. What they weren't was honorable.
2012-11-13 10:03:27 PM
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Barfmaker: How would you compare this to the Penn State thing?


Scope. The Boy Scouts had many, many, many more victims.

All while claiming to be a moral organization.
 
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