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2012-11-13 08:08:16 PM
Best tag line yet. Should have capitalized and quoted FTW.
 
2012-11-13 08:14:44 PM
And Stanton is pissed. Nothing like trading your entire team and pissing off the only remaining good player.
 
2012-11-13 08:20:19 PM
At least they got rid of Buck.
 
2012-11-13 08:32:35 PM
"Oh, hey - thanks for funding that new stadium everyone! We're not even gonna try to compete, though. Hope that's cool."
 
2012-11-13 08:35:00 PM
And hey, Mike Redmond, how's that new job working out for you?
 
2012-11-13 08:35:05 PM
Toronto still has an MLB team?

Are the Montreal Expos still around?
 
2012-11-13 08:46:12 PM

Peaceboy: And hey, Mike Redmond, how's that new job working out for you?


No problems a little nude batting practice can't solve.
 
2012-11-13 09:19:23 PM
Did they release Jeff Conine out of habit too?
 
2012-11-13 09:23:30 PM
Some thoughts:

1. At what point do we, as a society, stop acknowledging the Marlins as a baseball team and start acknowledging them as a scam?

2. To paraphrase Bill Simmons: Any time you can trade 5 of your 7 best players for a bunch of minor leaguers a year after moving into a taxpayer-funded stadium, you have to do it. ESPECIALLY if you've been pocketing revenue sharing for years.

3. As a Mets fan this is great. As a semblance-of-effort-and-fairness fan, this sucks.

4. #freegiancarlo
 
2012-11-13 09:24:55 PM
Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!
 
2012-11-13 09:30:36 PM
So will the ALE be a 5-way tie now with 87-win teams?  Oh wait, Boston.
 
2012-11-13 09:31:33 PM

Rex_Banner: Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!


And only $16M for 2013. Even that's an absurd number.
 
2012-11-13 09:32:25 PM

Peaceboy: So will the ALE be a 5-way tie now with 87-win teams?  Oh wait, Boston.


I predict Toronto will finish one game behind Tampa Bay for the 2nd Wild Card spot. Baltimore takes the East.
 
2012-11-13 09:41:25 PM
I fail to see what the problem is with this trade...
 
2012-11-13 09:54:21 PM
I think the owner is trying to drive down attendance so she can move the team to Cleveland.
 
2012-11-13 09:54:41 PM
I can't wait to hear how Dan LeBatard reacts to this.
 
2012-11-13 09:56:12 PM

Earguy: Are the Montreal Expos still around?


That useless fark Jeff Loria is a prime reason they're not. He farked the Expos nine ways from Sunday, then got that shady Expos/Marlins/Red Sox ownership swap done ten years ago.

If there is any justice in this world the SEC will come down on him like a ton of bricks for that Miami stadium deal.
 
2012-11-13 10:03:03 PM

JerseyTim: I think the owner is trying to drive down attendance so she can move the team to Cleveland.


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I doubt Jeff Loria is nearly as fetching in a G-string as Ms Phelps, though
 
2012-11-13 10:08:11 PM
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Uh... sell what?
 
2012-11-13 10:12:27 PM

GAT_00: Rex_Banner: Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!

And only $16M for 2013. Even that's an absurd number.


And I don't think they have any high end arbitration guys this year either. Stanton is still pre-arb. Their opening day payroll will be minuscule.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:30 PM
It's Loriaball, using Loriametrics.
 
2012-11-13 10:22:17 PM
Until Loria and Samson craft a new identity, they'll be perceived as heading an ownership group that built a $515 million ballpark with the help of $360 million in public funds

This is EXACTLY why no city should ever agree again to build a ballpark for a team. The city ought to sue them for the money back.

Rex_Banner: GAT_00: Rex_Banner: Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!

And only $16M for 2013. Even that's an absurd number.

And I don't think they have any high end arbitration guys this year either. Stanton is still pre-arb. Their opening day payroll will be minuscule.


And there's no chance they'll go play in FA, not with a blockbuster like this. Opening Day payroll might be below $30M.
 
2012-11-13 10:23:42 PM
Well, at least the Marlins didn't just have an outright fire sale in the parking lot this time.
 
2012-11-13 10:24:48 PM
I just sprained my Oh Face!!

LETS GO BLUE JAYS!
 
2012-11-13 10:32:03 PM
I think the first clue was when they hired a Venezuelan, Hugo Chavez loving manager of a team where the local population is Castro-hating Cubans.
 
2012-11-13 11:09:29 PM
Those bastards should have been contracted after the 2nd firesale they did.
 
2012-11-13 11:16:55 PM

JerseyTim: I think the owner is trying to drive down attendance so she can move the team to Cleveland.


Yeah, about that...if she could just send Stanton and Morrison up our way, that'd be just fine.
 
2012-11-13 11:53:08 PM

CavalierEternal: JerseyTim: I think the owner is trying to drive down attendance so she can move the team to Cleveland.

Yeah, about that...if she could just send Stanton and Morrison up our way, that'd be just fine.


no no, send LoMO to Philly, they need the injection of humor..
 
2012-11-14 06:54:33 AM
This is all a move to free up money so they can trade for A-Rod
/sarcasm off
 
2012-11-14 07:06:04 AM
This is very nice of the Marlins to give a reason to all cities of why they will not use any more money to build parks/arenas for millionaire team owners,
 
2012-11-14 07:07:48 AM
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"Wait, did you hear that? Neither of our teams are going to be the punchline in FARK baseball threads this year"
 
2012-11-14 07:12:04 AM
The Marlins will be in serious danger of attendance falling from 4 figures to 3 figures.
 
2012-11-14 07:15:58 AM
I was a Blue Jays fan until the lockout year I realized I didn't miss baseball all that much. This trade might get me back to a game or two next year.

GO JAYS!
 
2012-11-14 07:18:42 AM
at least they changed it up this time - they didn't even bother waiting to do well to have their firesale
 
2012-11-14 07:18:50 AM

GAT_00: Until Loria and Samson craft a new identity, they'll be perceived as heading an ownership group that built a $515 million ballpark with the help of $360 million in public funds

This is EXACTLY why no city should ever agree again to build a ballpark for a team. The city ought to sue them for the money back.

Rex_Banner: GAT_00: Rex_Banner: Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!

And only $16M for 2013. Even that's an absurd number.

And I don't think they have any high end arbitration guys this year either. Stanton is still pre-arb. Their opening day payroll will be minuscule.

And there's no chance they'll go play in FA, not with a blockbuster like this. Opening Day payroll might be below $30M.



The free agent market for this year is not that great anyway. It seems to me like they are throwing this season and will make a big play in free agency next year and try and make a team that way. Face it with their roster the way it was at the end of this year they had no shot to compete against the Nats, Braves and Phillies and with the Braves and Nats having good young teams the best bet for the Marlins to have any sort of shot at competing in this division was to start over.

That being said as a Nationals fan I have enjoyed Miami's epic collapse.
 
2012-11-14 07:24:18 AM
Well, this should ensure that the Nationals win 100 games this year anyway, and Atlanta 99, and Philadelphia 85. Toronto will not have much change, Only Reyes is a really good pickup.
 
2012-11-14 07:24:35 AM
Sweet, the Braves will be able to play down to their opponents and lose half a dozen games to a minor league team
 
2012-11-14 07:36:32 AM

MartinD-35: Well, this should ensure that the Nationals win 100 games this year anyway, and Atlanta 99, and Philadelphia 85. Toronto will not have much change, Only Reyes is a really good pickup.


Josh Johnson When Healthy is very good. People forget he exists because, well, Marlins. Beurhle's dependable if nothing else. The back end of the Jays rotation was pretty lousy so those guys will be solid upgrades.
 
2012-11-14 07:39:40 AM

mikemoto: This is all a move to free up money so they can trade for A-Rod
/sarcasm off


With the players g

CipollinaFan: GAT_00: Until Loria and Samson craft a new identity, they'll be perceived as heading an ownership group that built a $515 million ballpark with the help of $360 million in public funds

This is EXACTLY why no city should ever agree again to build a ballpark for a team. The city ought to sue them for the money back.

Rex_Banner: GAT_00: Rex_Banner: Holy crap - Joel Sherman just pointed out that the Malins currently have $0 committed to payroll for 2014. ZERO DOLLARS!

And only $16M for 2013. Even that's an absurd number.

And I don't think they have any high end arbitration guys this year either. Stanton is still pre-arb. Their opening day payroll will be minuscule.

And there's no chance they'll go play in FA, not with a blockbuster like this. Opening Day payroll might be below $30M.


The free agent market for this year is not that great anyway. It seems to me like they are throwing this season and will make a big play in free agency next year and try and make a team that way. Face it with their roster the way it was at the end of this year they had no shot to compete against the Nats, Braves and Phillies and with the Braves and Nats having good young teams the best bet for the Marlins to have any sort of shot at competing in this division was to start over.

That being said as a Nationals fan I have enjoyed Miami's epic collapse.


Any team that plans to throw an entire year before it starts should be ripped apart.

[Herm Edwards clip]
 
2012-11-14 07:51:41 AM
To paraphrase Bill Clinton..."That takes brass".

Loria should just quit and let MLB contract them.
 
2012-11-14 07:54:47 AM
And, of course, Bud Selig will just stand idly by, shrugging his shoulders.
 
2012-11-14 07:56:08 AM
Wow, all they got was Yunel Escobar (average at best and a head case but has potential), Henderson Alvarez (young but sucked last year), Jeff Mathis (worst catcher in baseball) and the Blue Jays' 2, 5 and 8 prospects. Blue Jays made out like bandits on the deal.
 
2012-11-14 07:56:59 AM

Fo Shiz: I think the first clue was when they hired a Venezuelan, Hugo Chavez loving manager of a team where the local population is Castro-hating Cubans.



After firing a very good Cuban American manager in Freddie Gonzalez.
 
2012-11-14 07:58:39 AM
From the Jays perspective, the best part about this trade is it only includes 1 of the pitching prospects that every other teams in Baseball seemed to be sniffing around the past two years. We kept Syndergaard and Maguire. Losing Nicolino is a shame, but I do worry a little about the durability of a pitcher that is 6'3" but only weighs 160 pounds.
 
2012-11-14 08:15:38 AM
Just wondering do the Marlins have the same owner from the 90's? This seems to be the teams M.O. Have a good year then sell every good player. Last season they were supposed to be a contender but it didnt work out as planned. And they wonder why no one cares about them in southern Fla
 
2012-11-14 08:20:46 AM
Giancarlo Stanton @Giancarlo818

Alright, I'm pissed off!!! Plain & Simple
 
2012-11-14 08:21:56 AM
Finishing the season with 3 in Miami is looking good to me! Go Tigers!
 
2012-11-14 08:24:19 AM
Dave Cameron: "Developing young stars through prospect accumulation is great if you actually plan on keeping them long enough to try and win. But no one thinks that's what Jeffrey Loria is trying to do anymore. Now, he's just the greedy bastard who ruined baseball in Montreal, only with yet another evil deed on his resume. He's basically a cartoon villain at this point. He's the wench who owned the Cleveland Indians in Major League, only if she also threw kittens in a wood-chipper in her spare time."
 
2012-11-14 08:25:50 AM
Quick question. Since the Miami ownership has no commitment to win can the MLB force a sale of the team? Sorta like they did with Marge Schott
 
2012-11-14 08:26:44 AM

ItchyMcDoogle: Just wondering do the Marlins have the same owner from the 90's? This seems to be the teams M.O. Have a good year then sell every good player. Last season they were supposed to be a contender but it didnt work out as planned. And they wonder why no one cares about them in southern Fla


Wayne Huizenga owned the Marlins during the 90s, including their first WS in 1997. (He also owned the Miami Dolphins AND the Florida Panthersat the time.) He executed the first fire sale immediately following said WS, mainly so that he could sell the team off to John Henry, who then later was part of the multi-team swapparo that put him in ownership of the Red Sox, while Jeff Loria jumped from owning the Expos to owning the Marlins. The Marlins then won then 2nd WS, after which Loria looked to the previous time and decided to use it as an example of how to celebrate.
 
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