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2012-11-13 08:20:03 PM  
Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:16 PM  

CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.


Except for the long list of people who want his dick in their ass. Probably not as dismal of a position in which to be as some may speculate.
 
2012-11-13 08:56:14 PM  

CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.


Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.
 
2012-11-13 09:22:02 PM  

Earguy: CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.

Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.


Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.
 
2012-11-13 09:34:18 PM  

CraicBaby: People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.


Yup, I had a scoutmaster and an English teacher that were both accused of this and both were eventually cleared. Neither were able to return to the work they loved.
 
2012-11-13 10:07:35 PM  
Well, who didn't see this coming.
 
2012-11-13 10:09:02 PM  
I called it.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:34 PM  

Earguy: If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.


This

On the cover it looks like another Church scandal. But we know from our experience (at least most of us) that big bird, grover, or any other androgynous puppet would ever rape us.
 
2012-11-13 10:35:21 PM  
Who in the industry did this guy piss off?
 
2012-11-13 10:35:59 PM  
I knew this would happen.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:23 PM  

TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?


Big Bird?
 
2012-11-13 10:38:27 PM  

NowhereMon: Yup, I had a scoutmaster and an English teacher that were both accused of this and both were eventually cleared. Neither were able to return to the work they loved.


Except Sesame Workshop already did their own investigation months ago and backed Clash up. It would be awfully cowardly of them to back down.
 
2012-11-13 10:38:34 PM  
Interestingly, it seems everyone had his back throughout the ordeal.
 
2012-11-13 10:38:49 PM  

OregonVet: Earguy: If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.

This

On the cover it looks like another Church scandal. But we know from our experience (at least most of us) that big bird, grover, or any other androgynous puppet would ever rape us.


To be fair, we've been sticking our hands up their asses for years and you don't hear them complaining
 
2012-11-13 10:39:01 PM  
Well shiat, there goes the gay parody porn "Dick-le me, Elmo".
 
2012-11-13 10:40:04 PM  

CraicBaby: Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.


I agree in principle regarding anyone's "orientation". I guess when I consider a person minutiae is to which people may latch. Actions are different. Billionaires are much more suspect. especially those with a reputation of helping childrens.
 
2012-11-13 10:43:24 PM  

Sbdolan: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Big Bird?


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-13 10:43:31 PM  
Also brought to you by the letter S, for "Secret" and the letter O for "Out of court settlement in exchange for a recant to avoid a painful and tenuous trial."
 
2012-11-13 10:43:39 PM  

coeyagi: Well shiat, there goes the gay parody porn "Dick-le me, Elmo".


Made me laugh so hard.
 
2012-11-13 10:50:01 PM  
sesame street has deep pockets.
 
2012-11-13 10:50:48 PM  

arbitterm: Also brought to you by the letter S, for "Secret" and the letter O for "Out of court settlement in exchange for a recant to avoid a painful and tenuous trial."


Probably we should throw in T for "trade-offs" and A for "association" before reams -no pun intended- of reports come out for other infractions.
 
2012-11-13 10:53:09 PM  

CraicBaby: Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.


Its 2012 not 1981. This will blow over and he will be fine.
 
2012-11-13 10:54:46 PM  

Waldo Pepper: sesame street has deep pockets.


If they did, don't you think they would have been FOR Romney like every other rich entity in the country?
 
2012-11-13 10:56:15 PM  

TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?


Mr. Noodle?
 
2012-11-13 10:56:45 PM  

FightDirector: Waldo Pepper: sesame street has deep pockets.

If they did, don't you think they would have been FOR Romney like every other rich entity in the country?


Warren Buffet
 
2012-11-13 10:58:24 PM  

NowhereMon: CraicBaby: People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.

Yup, I had a scoutmaster and an English teacher that were both accused of this and both were eventually cleared. Neither were able to return to the work they loved.


How do you know they didn't do it?
 
2012-11-13 11:14:48 PM  

Earguy: CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.

Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.


I know what you're talking about but a good part of America is pretty...dense when it comes to understanding "gay =/= pedophile".
 
2012-11-13 11:17:36 PM  

Earguy: Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal.


What circle is that? Plenty of parents want the people who entertain their pre-schoolers to be squeaky clean. So he didn't do anything illegal, but having a gay relationship with someone almost 30 years younger than him still comes off as scandalous. And the abrupt way the retraction came leaves room for a lot of speculation.

Send Elmo over to Avenue Q.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:02 PM  
So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.
 
2012-11-13 11:22:46 PM  
Well Elmo did know where he lived...
 
2012-11-13 11:24:12 PM  

arbitterm: Also brought to you by the letter S, for "Secret" and the letter O for "Out of court settlement in exchange for a recant to avoid a painful and tenuous trial."


Exactly. If this were a CEO of a large corporation or a Republican Congressperson every dang person in this thread would agree with you.

But, it's an entertainer we like, so no biggie. I mean, all he did was start a relationship with a sixteen year old and then have sex with him two years later. Or earlier, but the guy changed his story. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-11-13 11:30:41 PM  

CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.


Nope. He might be gay, but he's not a woman. These sorts of thing only ruin careers at PBS is the employee is a woman.
 
2012-11-13 11:40:05 PM  

DrewCurtisJr: Earguy: Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal.

What circle is that? Plenty of parents want the people who entertain their pre-schoolers to be squeaky clean.


Should have never done that documentary. Now they all know who he is and what he does.
 
2012-11-13 11:45:05 PM  

CraicBaby: People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.


Yeah, because the initial accusation was on the Main page, while the retraction is buried on the Entertainment tab.
 
2012-11-13 11:49:49 PM  
Gloomy maze....Hiding the sun all day!
On my way to where the air is sweet!
Can you tell me how to flee....How to flee from Sesame Street?
 
2012-11-13 11:52:59 PM  
Kevin Clash: Should he stay or should he go?
 
2012-11-14 12:00:53 AM  
So the first story is on the main page, but the recant/clearing is only in the entertainment tab?

Hurm.
 
2012-11-14 12:06:19 AM  

fqhollis: So the first story is on the main page, but the recant/clearing is only in the entertainment tab?

Hurm.


This burying of the truth brought to you by the guy who wants you to have a seat over there.
 
2012-11-14 12:12:07 AM  
Who cares about the whole gay / inappropriate relationship thing. I'm still in shock over a very large African American male being the voice of Elmo. I've known this for years, but still can't seem to accept it as truth.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:25 AM  
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arbitterm: Also brought to you by the letter S, for "Secret" and the letter O for "Out of court settlement in exchange for a recant to avoid a painful and tenuous trial."


Strongly suspect this. No way would the higher ups allow their $500 million brand that relies on parents and children to be dragged through a well-publicized pedophilia trial. Wish the accusations were false, but the way this recantation has been handled leads me to believe otherwise that Seasame Street is pulling a Penn State.
 
2012-11-14 12:25:58 AM  
You gotta go with Bert and Ernie coming by to break his kneecaps if he didn't recant.
 
2012-11-14 12:27:53 AM  
I suspect a 23 year old guy somewhere just purchased a very expensive new sports car...
 
2012-11-14 12:28:07 AM  
He wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship,

So this must have happened after he turned 18? Something went south with their relationship.
 
2012-11-14 12:28:48 AM  

gingerjet: CraicBaby: Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.

Its 2012 not 1981. This will blow over and he will be fine.


See Bryant, Kobe.
 
2012-11-14 12:29:26 AM  
John Tartaglia is a Sesame Street alum (also had a show on Disney Channel) and also gay, so it's not that big of a deal. I don't think being a gay man will hurt Kevin Clash at all. Also, if the guy was legal while he was having sex with him, who cares what the age difference is? That's why we have age of consent. The whole issue was if he was having sex with a minor- which I guess we'll never find out thanks to a settlement or a threatened libel suit.

Now can we all just agree that Grover is way better than Elmo and move on?
 
2012-11-14 12:30:51 AM  
Show me on the Elmo doll, where he touched you...
 
2012-11-14 12:31:16 AM  
Obvious what happened - Clash finally paid up. This was a shakedown, but Elmo should have blinked a lot sooner as he will forever be tarnished by this.
 
2012-11-14 12:38:12 AM  

"Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted."


He's not some Average Joe working slob. He's in entertainment and probably has access to good lawyers and gets goos advice. Besides his own employer found no grounds for the accusations. I doubt his career is ruined, and I'd be surprised if he lost his job.

 
2012-11-14 12:38:49 AM  
While Kevin gets along real good with kids, he had the good sense to wait until boy was 18.
 
2012-11-14 12:38:57 AM  
The big issue is the damage to the sesame street brand going forward. The more closed minded individuals will boycott and raise a stink to where it may hurt product sales.
 
2012-11-14 12:40:12 AM  

WizardofToast: Earguy: CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.

Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.

I know what you're talking about but a good part of America is pretty...dense when it comes to understanding "gay =/= pedophile".


I had that discussion with my mother (72) a couple of months ago when I made a mention of how I think gays should be allowed to be scoutmasters, and based on her response I think its because a lot of pedophiles go after little boys, which causes a lot of people to label them as "gay" or "gay pedophiles" as opposed to "straight pedophiles", when really, pedophile is a classification entirely separate from gay or straight, and many of those "gay pedophiles" actually identify as straight or live lives as straight men, even if they target boys over girls.
 
2012-11-14 12:49:36 AM  

TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?


Grover Norquist.
 
2012-11-14 12:49:54 AM  
Imagine this guy's big black dick in his lover's ass as he screams sexual profanities in Elmo's voice.

All whilst throwing haymaker donkey punches...
 
2012-11-14 01:00:30 AM  
Obvious tag taking a break?
 
2012-11-14 01:12:46 AM  

BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.


Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?
 
2012-11-14 01:21:58 AM  

RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?


Mr Noodle died in 2003.
 
2012-11-14 01:45:57 AM  

CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is horrible. Asshole shakedown artist is an asshole. First David Petraeus, now Kevin -- this week is truly strong in the Crazy Fking Up Their Exes Lives After The Exes Have Moved On. Horrible. Straight or gay, no one is safe.
 
2012-11-14 01:46:22 AM  
Guy 1: It did not happen. I have nothing more to say.
Guy 2: I'm relieved he said it did not happen. I have nothing more to say.

It totally happened.
 
2012-11-14 01:50:15 AM  

arbitterm: Also brought to you by the letter S, for "Secret" and the letter O for "Out of court settlement in exchange for a recant to avoid a painful and tenuous trial."


If somebody takes cash money to 'recant', there was nothing to recant in the first place. The recant was the truth all along. These freaks are just like the ADA shakedown artists and 'I fell into the mall fountain while talking on my cell' con artists: they are betting on the settlement, not the court case. And fking attorneys always seem to advise their clients -- even when their clients want to fight -- 'okay, whatever, just give them the money' instead of 'we're going to fight this'

See also: MJ

I never believe settlements anymore.

And I sure as hell don't believe them of someone who claims a horrible crime but is willing to let it go away with the right cash amount. Legal blackmail is still blackmail.
 
2012-11-14 01:51:44 AM  

ruta: CraicBaby: People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.

Yeah, because the initial accusation was on the Main page, while the retraction is buried on the Entertainment tab.


Will this go to the main page?
 
2012-11-14 02:05:50 AM  

mc_madness: Imagine this guy's big black dick in his lover's ass as he screams sexual profanities in Elmo's voice.

All whilst throwing haymaker donkey punches...


Well, you know if that's what turns you on...
 
2012-11-14 02:07:27 AM  

The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.


Incorrect.

The actor that played "Mr Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle" died in 2003.

The actor that plays Mister Noodle is still alive.
 
2012-11-14 02:08:34 AM  

anfrind: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Grover Norquist.


www.thejanedough.com
 
2012-11-14 02:34:23 AM  
From the beginning, it sounded like a jilted ex trying to ruin the career of a successful puppeteer by making outlandish claims to the media with the idea that even if none of it is true, the thought will be put in people's heads so they'll convict him in the court of public opinion on the allegations alone. I've seen that very thing happen many times before, so the shady nature of this story and the fact that the sensation-driven, ethics-lacking MSM ran with it before getting any facts didn't surprise me at all.

What also doesn't surprise me is the number of people who so wish for it to be true that they'll jump to any unfounded conclusion that satisfies their bias, even if that means suggesting that Clash and/or Sesame Workshop paid off the accuser despite a lack of any evidence that would prove it. I would love for all of this to blow over not only for Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, PBS and all the children that adore Elmo, but I fear some damage has already been done. In fact, I've already read comments on Facebook and Twitter from ignorant farks that say they'll no longer allow their kids to watch Sesame Street or own anything Elmo-related since the accusation, and I doubt very much anything will change in their minds now.
 
2012-11-14 02:41:33 AM  

Krieghund: The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.

Incorrect.

The actor that played "Mr Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle" died in 2003.

The actor that plays Mister Noodle is still alive.


I stand corrected.

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2012-11-14 03:05:27 AM  

EchoMike: From the beginning, it sounded like a jilted ex trying to ruin the career of a successful puppeteer by making outlandish claims to the media with the idea that even if none of it is true, the thought will be put in people's heads so they'll convict him in the court of public opinion on the allegations alone. I've seen that very thing happen many times before, so the shady nature of this story and the fact that the sensation-driven, ethics-lacking MSM ran with it before getting any facts didn't surprise me at all.

What also doesn't surprise me is the number of people who so wish for it to be true that they'll jump to any unfounded conclusion that satisfies their bias, even if that means suggesting that Clash and/or Sesame Workshop paid off the accuser despite a lack of any evidence that would prove it. I would love for all of this to blow over not only for Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, PBS and all the children that adore Elmo, but I fear some damage has already been done. In fact, I've already read comments on Facebook and Twitter from ignorant farks that say they'll no longer allow their kids to watch Sesame Street or own anything Elmo-related since the accusation, and I doubt very much anything will change in their minds now.


These are dark, dismal times because of the type of person that wants them to be.

Hey, you want a burrito?
 
2012-11-14 03:07:56 AM  

Wayne 985: BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?


It's a fool's errand attempting to use reason with someone who makes snap judgements and blanket statements based on vague media reports about relationships between people they've never met and know nothing about beyond one person's public persona.

If they perceive something is bad, it's bad just because they say it is. What if Clash was 39 and the unnamed other party was 20? 42 and 19? 54 and 22? Without knowing anything about the lives, minds, and personalities of the parties in question, there's absolutely no possible way to know how mature their relationship may or may not have been.

But outrage over the perceived perversion of a semi-celebrity is much too much fun to think that way, so... TO THE TMZ-MOBILE!
 
2012-11-14 03:13:46 AM  
Flip it and reverse it...

EchoMike: From the beginning, it sounded like an jilted ex trying to ruin the career of abused youth finding the courage to confront the man who took advantage of him of a successful puppeteer by making outlandish courageous claims to the media with the idea that even if none of it is true legal justice isn't served, the thought will be put in people's heads so they'll convict him in the court of public opinion on the allegations alone. I've seen that very thing happen many times before, so the shady nature of this story and the fact that the sensation-driven, ethics-lacking MSM ran with it before getting any facts didn't surprise me at all.

What also doesn't surprise me is the number of people who so wish for it to be true that they'll jump to any unfounded conclusion that satisfies their bias, even if that means suggesting that Clash and/or Sesame Workshop paid off the accuser is lying despite a lack of any evidence that would prove it. I would love for all of this to blow over go to court not only for Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, PBS and to protect all the children that adore Elmo, but I fear some damage has already been done, a child has been molested/abused. In fact, I've already read comments on Facebook and Twitter from ignorant farks that say they'll no longer allow their kids to watch Sesame Street or own anything Elmo-related believe anything said against Clash since the accusation, and I doubt very much anything will change in their minds now.

 

I don't know all the facts and the truth of the matter and, guess what?, neither do you. Your argument works from the other side just as well for the same reasons you make it.

In general, formerly sexually abused youths when accusing famous, rich people don't find justice in the end. See: just about every previous time this has happened. Odds seem to favor that the individual is silenced under threat of serious lawyerage and an alternative of money; good enough odds to bet on that being the case with a half-billion dollar brand name's rep at stake. When justice is found, it becomes such a big story that it generally becomes a meme here on Fark. Sorry, but they aren't all lying just because they aren't famous no matter how much you wish it to be. Just because Clash happens to have a particular sexual orientation doesn't make him automatically innocent anymore than it makes him automatically guilty. At least for those posting here on Fark, we're concerned about a man sexually abusing a child (at the time) thirty years his junior in a relationship he already acknowledged as having. What's it matter if he's gay, straight or whatever when the concern is pedophilia? You almost make it sound like he shouldn't undergo the same level of investigation as a straight man facing a similar accusation. 

Sandusky should've taught all of us by now that accusations of this nature must be given due diligence and be investigated and not just be ignored because it's "obviously a money grab against a famous person" or "a jilted ex" -- how many evil acts have been ignored with that kind of reasoning? To speak rhetorically here: Do you make the same arguments in support of straight guys who abuse teenage or younger girls? Or rape victims? That they're just jilted exes looking for money? I'd think not, so why assume that here?

Maybe instead of it being about a guy being gay or straight it all really comes down to whether he farked a child.
 
2012-11-14 04:09:00 AM  
Huh. Didn't hear about the original charges. Glad it worked out, now I can go back to not giving a shiat about who the guy that plays Elmo farks.

/my kid hates elmo
//so do I, with a burning passion. farker ruined Seasame street! Where's poor old neurotic grover?
 
2012-11-14 04:50:30 AM  

CraicBaby: Earguy: CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.

Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.

Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.


I wonder how much cash Sesame Street tossed at the accuser to recant the story of love.
 
2012-11-14 05:15:38 AM  

gingerjet: CraicBaby: Sexual orientation doesn't matter. It's the accusation that he had sex with someone who was underage that will ruin his career, even if it was retracted. People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.

Its 2012 not 1981. This will blow over and he will be fine.


Oh, it will affect him getting gigs outside of CTW for sure. As soon as the allegation comes up in the background check, his resume will meet the memory hole.
 
2012-11-14 06:16:51 AM  
Wow.

There sure are a lot of hateful people in this thread.
 
2012-11-14 06:22:38 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Flip it and reverse it...

EchoMike: From the beginning, it sounded like an jilted ex trying to ruin the career of abused youth finding the courage to confront the man who took advantage of him of a successful puppeteer by making outlandish courageous claims to the media with the idea that even if none of it is true legal justice isn't served, the thought will be put in people's heads so they'll convict him in the court of public opinion on the allegations alone. I've seen that very thing happen many times before, so the shady nature of this story and the fact that the sensation-driven, ethics-lacking MSM ran with it before getting any facts didn't surprise me at all.

What also doesn't surprise me is the number of people who so wish for it to be true that they'll jump to any unfounded conclusion that satisfies their bias, even if that means suggesting that Clash and/or Sesame Workshop paid off the accuser is lying despite a lack of any evidence that would prove it. I would love for all of this to blow over go to court not only for Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, PBS and to protect all the children that adore Elmo, but I fear some damage has already been done, a child has been molested/abused. In fact, I've already read comments on Facebook and Twitter from ignorant farks that say they'll no longer allow their kids to watch Sesame Street or own anything Elmo-related believe anything said against Clash since the accusation, and I doubt very much anything will change in their minds now. 

I don't know all the facts and the truth of the matter and, guess what?, neither do you. Your argument works from the other side just as well for the same reasons you make it.

In general, formerly sexually abused youths when accusing famous, rich people don't find justice in the end. See: just about every previous time this has happened. Odds seem to favor that the individual is silenced under threat of serious lawyerage and an alternative of money; good enough odds to bet on that being the case with a half-billion dollar brand name's rep at stake. When justice is found, it becomes such a big story that it generally becomes a meme here on Fark. Sorry, but they aren't all lying just because they aren't famous no matter how much you wish it to be. Just because Clash happens to have a particular sexual orientation doesn't make him automatically innocent anymore than it makes him automatically guilty. At least for those posting here on Fark, we're concerned about a man sexually abusing a child (at the time) thirty years his junior in a relationship he already acknowledged as having. What's it matter if he's gay, straight or whatever when the concern is pedophilia? You almost make it sound like he shouldn't undergo the same level of investigation as a straight man facing a similar accusation. 

Sandusky should've taught all of us by now that accusations of this nature must be given due diligence and be investigated and not just be ignored because it's "obviously a money grab against a famous person" or "a jilted ex" -- how many evil acts have been ignored with that kind of reasoning? To speak rhetorically here: Do you make the same arguments in support of straight guys who abuse teenage or younger girls? Or rape victims? That they're just jilted exes looking for money? I'd think not, so why assume that here?

Maybe instead of it being about a guy being gay or straight it all really comes down to whether he farked a child.


You bring up Sandusky, but wasn't Sandusky abusing little kids? If the worst-case scenario for the Elmo scandal is true, we are talking about a Courtney Stodden case here. There would definitely be an ook factor, but I do not see this as pedophilia. In fact, remembering back to my long-ago days as a girl in high school, sixteen-year-old boys seemed a lot more ready and eager to have sex than sixteen-year old girls.
 
2012-11-14 06:40:10 AM  
"The accuser's lawyer just released a statement saying, "[The accuser] wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship. [The accuser] will have no further comment."

It's unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story ... but sources close to the situation tell TMZ ... the accuser's attorney had been meeting with Clash's attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table."


Yeah, that's a ton of hush money.
 
2012-11-14 07:20:46 AM  

hbk72777: "The accuser's lawyer just released a statement saying, "[The accuser] wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship. [The accuser] will have no further comment."

It's unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story ... but sources close to the situation tell TMZ ... the accuser's attorney had been meeting with Clash's attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table."


Yeah, that's a ton of hush money.


You bolded the wrong part of that. "sources close to the situation tell TMZ" is all I need to know it's sensationalistic garbage.
 
2012-11-14 07:37:36 AM  
El Mo. Get it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA * GASP * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA.
 
2012-11-14 07:39:59 AM  

Shadowtag: hbk72777: "The accuser's lawyer just released a statement saying, "[The accuser] wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship. [The accuser] will have no further comment."

It's unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story ... but sources close to the situation tell TMZ ... the accuser's attorney had been meeting with Clash's attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table."


Yeah, that's a ton of hush money.

You bolded the wrong part of that. "sources close to the situation tell TMZ" is all I need to know it's sensationalistic garbage.


Not to mention that even if it were true, we have no way of knowing if it's don't-tell-anyone-and-I'll-make-it-worth-your-while hush money or a pay-me-or-I'll-make-up-a-story-to-ruin-your-life extortion payment.
 
2012-11-14 07:52:31 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Wow.

There sure are a lot of hateful people in this thread.


Welcome to Fark TMZ.
 
2012-11-14 07:53:09 AM  

Diogenes Teufelsdrockh: Flip it and reverse it...

EchoMike: From the beginning, it sounded like an jilted ex trying to ruin the career of abused youth finding the courage to confront the man who took advantage of him of a successful puppeteer by making outlandish courageous claims to the media with the idea that even if none of it is true legal justice isn't served, the thought will be put in people's heads so they'll convict him in the court of public opinion on the allegations alone. I've seen that very thing happen many times before, so the shady nature of this story and the fact that the sensation-driven, ethics-lacking MSM ran with it before getting any facts didn't surprise me at all.

What also doesn't surprise me is the number of people who so wish for it to be true that they'll jump to any unfounded conclusion that satisfies their bias, even if that means suggesting that Clash and/or Sesame Workshop paid off the accuser is lying despite a lack of any evidence that would prove it. I would love for all of this to blow over go to court not only for Kevin Clash, Sesame Street, PBS and to protect all the children that adore Elmo, but I fear some damage has already been done, a child has been molested/abused. In fact, I've already read comments on Facebook and Twitter from ignorant farks that say they'll no longer allow their kids to watch Sesame Street or own anything Elmo-related believe anything said against Clash since the accusation, and I doubt very much anything will change in their minds now. 

I don't know all the facts and the truth of the matter and, guess what?, neither do you. Your argument works from the other side just as well for the same reasons you make it.

In general, formerly sexually abused youths when accusing famous, rich people don't find justice in the end. See: just about every previous time this has happened. Odds seem to favor that the individual is silenced under threat of serious lawyerage and an alternative of money; good enough odds to bet on that be ...


This thing with Kevin Clash doesn't even come close to the Jerry Sandusky case. There were investigations of both situations, but Sandusky was revealed to have engaged in a pattern of sexual abuse against kids, and there was evidence to support it. Even in that case, I thought it was premature to judge him until more information was brought to light.

With Clash, the only sticking point was the age of the accuser at the time. Clash acknowledged having a relationship with him, but claimed that both he and the other individual were consenting adults at the time. Again, I felt judgment should have been reserved until more information came out or until the accuser recanted his story. And in similar stories from the past that have been dragged through the media because of the notoriety of the accused, more often than not the accuser is the one found to be lying.
 
2012-11-14 08:38:56 AM  

Rising_Zan_Samurai_Gunman: WizardofToast: Earguy: CraicBaby: Sad. His career is ruined now no matter what.

Nah, I think he'll be okay. In his circle, being gay is no big deal. If anything, it can be an education to the world that being gay does not equal pedophile, even if you work with children.

I know what you're talking about but a good part of America is pretty...dense when it comes to understanding "gay =/= pedophile".

I had that discussion with my mother (72) a couple of months ago when I made a mention of how I think gays should be allowed to be scoutmasters, and based on her response I think its because a lot of pedophiles go after little boys, which causes a lot of people to label them as "gay" or "gay pedophiles" as opposed to "straight pedophiles", when really, pedophile is a classification entirely separate from gay or straight, and many of those "gay pedophiles" actually identify as straight or live lives as straight men, even if they target boys over girls.


Should men be allowed to be brownie/girl scout leaders? It is the same thing. Sure maybe they never touched a child or even thought about touching a child but there is a greater chance of being tempted and falling if when surrounded by the gender of their desires. Besides if a gay male why not be a girl scout leader, they got cookies
 
2012-11-14 08:39:14 AM  

Wayne 985: BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?


No, Hugh Hefner is considered a pathetic laughable broke-down old man who has to pay women to pretend to like him.
 
2012-11-14 08:41:33 AM  
Let's not pretend like the chickenhawk is a mysterious thing. There are scads of 23 yo guys out there who lived well for several years and now are as locked out as a 40 yo Hollywood actress. Some are just smarter than others.
 
2012-11-14 08:43:39 AM  

hbk72777: "The accuser's lawyer just released a statement saying, "[The accuser] wants it to be known that his sexual relationship with Mr. Clash was an adult consensual relationship. [The accuser] will have no further comment."

It's unclear why the accuser suddenly changed his story ... but sources close to the situation tell TMZ ... the accuser's attorney had been meeting with Clash's attorney as recent as an hour ago, discussing a financial settlement and 6-figures were on the table."


Yeah, that's a ton of hush money.


so the accuser now considers 16 to be an adult. I would rather hear "legal adult consensual relationship"

actually I don't really care if he was 16 at the time and they had a relationship for a 3 or 4 years. but if you do the voice of Elmo you should use common sense in your relationships and not go young.
 
2012-11-14 08:47:10 AM  

Waldo Pepper: It is the same thing. Sure maybe they never touched a child or even thought about touching a child but there is a greater chance of being tempted and falling if when surrounded by the gender of their desires.


No. Just no. I'm sorry if spending time with little girls would make you want to rape them, though. You probably ought to not associate with many. Just be aware that normal people aren't like that. Not even normal gay people. A normal gay man in a kindergarten wouldn't suddenly look around and think "Hey, there are a lot of boys here that I see every day, I should probably fark one". Nor would a normal straight man and little girls. You either like little kids or you don't.
 
2012-11-14 08:49:12 AM  

marxychick1: John Tartaglia is a Sesame Street alum (also had a show on Disney Channel) and also gay, so it's not that big of a deal. I don't think being a gay man will hurt Kevin Clash at all. Also, if the guy was legal while he was having sex with him, who cares what the age difference is? That's why we have age of consent. The whole issue was if he was having sex with a minor- which I guess we'll never find out thanks to a settlement or a threatened libel suit.

Now can we all just agree that Grover is way better than Elmo and move on?


Dang it...are you telling me that it should have been Johnny and the Fairies?
:(

/liked that show
 
2012-11-14 08:50:17 AM  

The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.


Well at least we still have Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle.

//and their sister, Ms. Noodle...rowr.
 
2012-11-14 08:51:36 AM  

Krieghund: The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.

Incorrect.

The actor that played "Mr Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle" died in 2003.

The actor that plays Mister Noodle is still alive.


Dang it.
Had them backwards.

Haven't watched SS in 4 years...sue me :(
 
2012-11-14 08:52:34 AM  
This all fell apart because Kevin and Sesame have emails that show the dates and nature of the relationship.  
 
2012-11-14 09:01:00 AM  

gadian: Waldo Pepper: It is the same thing. Sure maybe they never touched a child or even thought about touching a child but there is a greater chance of being tempted and falling if when surrounded by the gender of their desires.

No. Just no. I'm sorry if spending time with little girls would make you want to rape them, though. You probably ought to not associate with many. Just be aware that normal people aren't like that. Not even normal gay people. A normal gay man in a kindergarten wouldn't suddenly look around and think "Hey, there are a lot of boys here that I see every day, I should probably fark one". Nor would a normal straight man and little girls. You either like little kids or you don't.


I said a greater chance. So no gay men like little boys is that what we are supposed to believe that liking little boys is something only straight men do?
 
2012-11-14 09:02:07 AM  

FightDirector: Waldo Pepper: sesame street has deep pockets.

If they did, don't you think they would have been FOR Romney like every other rich entity in the country?


Huh? There are lots of very liberal, very rich people -- many notable Hollywood stars, Warren Buffet, George Soros, Bill Gates, etc.
 
2012-11-14 09:03:39 AM  
Basically, the only thing that's changed is that someone told the 23-year-old that the age of consent is 16 in this case. No one disputed that the kid was 16 when they had sex; the only item of question was if that age of consent applied in this case (different states have different laws and all that).
 
2012-11-14 09:04:37 AM  

BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.


No -- they boned when he was 16. That's just over the age of consent.
 
2012-11-14 09:06:35 AM  

Wayne 985: BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?


First off, the kid was 16 at the time not 18.

Secondly, Hugh Hefner is creepy. To whom is he a stud? As far as I know, people just kind of see him as a pathetic figure at this point.
 
2012-11-14 09:07:08 AM  
Accusation is page one. Retraction is page twelve. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12! couldn't resist
 
2012-11-14 09:18:21 AM  
Lets stop comparing Sandusky and clash, FFS. farking a 16 year old is not pedophilia, and I don't give a damn what the law says. That's a person whose been going through puberty for FOUR YEARS NOW. They can drive. If they want to have sex with a 45 year old dude, it is not going to be a traumatic experience.

If you can prove he was coerced into something he didn't want initially, or somehow forced, or somehow this has ACTUALLY damaged his life, fine. but lets stop pretending 16 year olds don't have goddamn sex.
 
2012-11-14 09:47:04 AM  
Glad this turned out to be B.S.. He seemed like a genuinely good guy in "Being Elmo".
 
2012-11-14 10:08:21 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: NowhereMon: CraicBaby: People only hear the initial accusation. They rarely see the retraction.

Yup, I had a scoutmaster and an English teacher that were both accused of this and both were eventually cleared. Neither were able to return to the work they loved.

How do you know they didn't do it?


That kind of attitude is exactly why they couldn't return.
 
2012-11-14 10:35:21 AM  

JokerMattly: Lets stop comparing Sandusky and clash, FFS. farking a 16 year old is not pedophilia, and I don't give a damn what the law says. That's a person whose been going through puberty for FOUR YEARS NOW. They can drive. If they want to have sex with a 45 year old dude, it is not going to be a traumatic experience.

If you can prove he was coerced into something he didn't want initially, or somehow forced, or somehow this has ACTUALLY damaged his life, fine. but lets stop pretending 16 year olds don't have goddamn sex.


Most don't.
 
2012-11-14 10:50:28 AM  
He should counter sue for a lifetime of lost wages in civil court and ensure the resulting publicity vilifies the accuser into the pit he was cast into.

Put the shoe on the other foot.
For life.
 
2012-11-14 10:58:55 AM  

meanmutton: Most don't.


You know you're right. I should amend that to:
"Most 16 year olds spend every single waking moment trying to find a way to have sex with someone"
 
2012-11-14 10:59:10 AM  

vudukungfu: He should counter sue for a lifetime of lost wages in civil court and ensure the resulting publicity vilifies the accuser into the pit he was cast into.

Put the shoe on the other foot.
For life.


Or maybe he should have kept his pants on and not boned a kid who was about the same age as his daughter.
 
2012-11-14 11:00:50 AM  

JokerMattly: meanmutton: Most don't.

You know you're right. I should amend that to:
"Most 16 year olds spend every single waking moment trying to find a way to have sex with someone"


Making them easy prey for middle-aged pervs who take advantage of their underdeveloped adolescent frontal lobes.
 
2012-11-14 11:03:05 AM  

Son of Thunder: JokerMattly: meanmutton: Most don't.

You know you're right. I should amend that to:
"Most 16 year olds spend every single waking moment trying to find a way to have sex with someone"

Making them easy prey for middle-aged pervs who take advantage of their underdeveloped adolescent frontal lobes.


Oh christ. NOT OUR DELICATE SNOWFLAKES.
Has any one considered that mystifying sex and makign it this forbidden thing is exactly why teenagers spend every waking moment trying to get some?
 
2012-11-14 11:03:20 AM  

meanmutton: JokerMattly: Lets stop comparing Sandusky and clash, FFS. farking a 16 year old is not pedophilia, and I don't give a damn what the law says. That's a person whose been going through puberty for FOUR YEARS NOW. They can drive. If they want to have sex with a 45 year old dude, it is not going to be a traumatic experience.

If you can prove he was coerced into something he didn't want initially, or somehow forced, or somehow this has ACTUALLY damaged his life, fine. but lets stop pretending 16 year olds don't have goddamn sex.

Most don't.


You are wrong. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr056.pdf
 
2012-11-14 11:47:02 AM  
bossip.files.wordpress.com 

The guy who does Elmo's career isn't done?

The guy's done. Everyone now knows Elmo isn't real and only comes to life via a big black gay man who likes young dudes.

Ohhh, honey, why don't we get this cute Winnie The Pooh cuddly toy instead for little Mary, hmmm? Elmo is gay icon or soemthing.
 
2012-11-14 12:09:43 PM  

marxychick1: Now can we all just agree that Grover is way better than Elmo and move on?


This.

But last I read (BBC) it seems like the Children's Television Workshop folks are standing by him now that he's cleared so whatever. He should be fine.

Still, as much as I liked the guy as a person from interviews I've seen... GROVER 4 LIFE
 
2012-11-14 12:39:07 PM  

Krieghund: The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.

Incorrect.

The actor that played "Mr Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle" died in 2003.

The actor that plays Mister Noodle is still alive.


Man, time flies. I was thinking "Michael Jeter can't have died in 2003, I was just re-watching Open Range the other night and remembering how awesome he was in that. Wait, Open Range came out in 2003 and Polar Express (his last film) was in 2004? Holy carp."
 
2012-11-14 12:49:55 PM  

meanmutton: Wayne 985: BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?

First off, the kid was 16 at the time not 18.

Secondly, Hugh Hefner is creepy. To whom is he a stud? As far as I know, people just kind of see him as a pathetic figure at this point.


[citation needed] He alleged he was 16, then recanted. That's the point of this article.
 
2012-11-14 01:04:32 PM  

marxychick1: John Tartaglia is a Sesame Street alum (also had a show on Disney Channel) and also gay, so it's not that big of a deal. I don't think being a gay man will hurt Kevin Clash at all.


Richard Hunt was openly gay and a Muppeteer. No one had a problem with that. He even died of AIDS-related complications. No one made that an issue then other.
 
2012-11-14 01:07:00 PM  

Wayne 985: meanmutton: Wayne 985: BravadoGT: So the 47-year old waited until the kid was 18 to nail him? Whew! Technically legal=totally acceptable.

Can you explain what's wrong with it? I don't get the appeal myself, but they're both adults. Hugh Hefner is considered a stud for being a million years old with college-aged girls still flocking to him, but this dude is a pervert?

First off, the kid was 16 at the time not 18.

Secondly, Hugh Hefner is creepy. To whom is he a stud? As far as I know, people just kind of see him as a pathetic figure at this point.

[citation needed] He alleged he was 16, then recanted. That's the point of this article.


Plus, 16 is legal age in over half the states in the union.
 
2012-11-14 01:13:21 PM  

James!: This all fell apart because Kevin and Sesame have emails that show the dates and nature of the relationship.


Ironically, Clash was reprimanded for misuse of company email for personal use but it appears that it may have vindicated him.
 
2012-11-14 02:08:53 PM  

The Downfall: I DARE YOU TO WATCH THEM ALL


Get on my level, pleb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-xvlYMGck
 
2012-11-14 02:13:43 PM  

JokerMattly: FFS. farking a 16 year old is not pedophilia, and I don't give a damn what the law says.


Funny how our position on this was a lot different when it was Republican congressmen sexting minors of the same age.
 
2012-11-14 02:26:15 PM  
We've had a similar thread years ago, about how adult men can not be seen around kids, even their own, without some nutwad thinking there is something wrong. And the accusation is a sure way to destroy a person without ever having to lay a finger on them. I've seen that kind of a stink destroy a person's life until he offed himself, because even though he was exonerated, the idea was already planted, and some people need an outside focus for their own internal hang-ups.
 
2012-11-14 03:00:27 PM  

orrinbloquy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Na-xvlYMGck


jesus farking christ
 
2012-11-14 03:16:51 PM  

The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.


Actually it was Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle, that passed away in 2003
 
2012-11-14 03:25:39 PM  

gabesmama: The Downfall: RoyHobbs22: TheJoe03: Who in the industry did this guy piss off?

Mr. Noodle?

Mr Noodle died in 2003.

Actually it was Mr. Noodle's brother, Mr. Noodle, that passed away in 2003


I thought Mr. Noodle was dead too. I heard that he was actually a serial killer and he was eventually killed by Cowboy Curtis.
 
2012-11-14 03:45:32 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: mc_madness: Imagine this guy's big black dick in his lover's ass as he screams sexual profanities in Elmo's voice.

All whilst throwing haymaker donkey punches...

Well, you know if that's what turns you on...


dear god that was disturbing
 
2012-11-14 06:06:30 PM  

JokerMattly: "Most 16 year olds spend every single waking moment trying to find a way to have sex with someone"


this
 
2012-11-14 08:59:15 PM  
Shouldn't it be "S" for "slander"?
 
2012-11-15 12:08:16 AM  

eagles95: tinfoil-hat maggie: mc_madness: Imagine this guy's big black dick in his lover's ass as he screams sexual profanities in Elmo's voice.

All whilst throwing haymaker donkey punches...

Well, you know if that's what turns you on...

dear god that was disturbing


"Ha, ha, ha.... That tickles!"
 
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