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2012-11-13 08:23:47 PM  
No mention of Branson, Missouri?

That's going to be one downbeat apocalypse, lemmetellya.
 
2012-11-13 08:39:03 PM  
no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate
 
2012-11-13 08:57:19 PM  

gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate


Do our credit cards even work there?
 
2012-11-13 09:16:05 PM  

AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?


It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.
 
2012-11-13 09:25:00 PM  

gremlin1: AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?

It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.


My wife. Take my wife!

/sorry honey
 
2012-11-13 09:29:51 PM  
No mentions for Boulder, Colorado or Las Vegas, Nevada?
 
2012-11-13 10:18:39 PM  
I'd prefer a nuclear submarine thanks.
 
2012-11-13 10:38:58 PM  
An underground German organ doesn't sound much better than the apocalypse.
 
2012-11-13 10:39:40 PM  

gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate


Colorado Springs? No thanks, I'll take the eschaton.
 
2012-11-13 10:40:01 PM  
The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit. The Maldives one looked the nicest. None of them looked like McAfee's Belize.
 
2012-11-13 10:40:12 PM  
I remember a while back reading that based on high value targets and nuclear arsenal, Tierra del Fuego was the last place on Earth nuclear fallout would accumulate. So I'm heading there for the end of the world. Of course the target priorities may have changed, but whatever.
 
2012-11-13 10:41:17 PM  
no photoshop of the wall paper @ #1?

/really?
//must be busy tonight, rearranging sock drawer or washing hair
 
2012-11-13 10:42:43 PM  

NewportBarGuy: I'd prefer a nuclear submarine thanks.


I feel like nuclear carrier is the way to go.
 
2012-11-13 10:43:15 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit. The Maldives one looked the nicest. None of them looked like McAfee's Belize.


That's pretty good. Does it come with a team of leather-clad female ninjas for male residents, and a cadre of black-uniformed male Spec Ops types for us women?
 
2012-11-13 10:43:31 PM  
CSB: Even though I knew it was bullshiat, when Y2K was approaching I booked a New Year's trip to Costa Rica. I figured if the shiat was gonna hit the fan I wanted to be on a warm beach until things got back to normal.
 
2012-11-13 10:47:17 PM  
Screw all these underground bunkers.

If it's the end of the world, I want comfy spot with a great panoramic view and a nice variety of refreshments.
 
2012-11-13 10:47:36 PM  
Good to see Wikileaks' funders are providing Assange with luxury living.
 
2012-11-13 10:48:17 PM  
lib.store.yahoo.net
 
2012-11-13 10:49:09 PM  
I think I'd hide out in some jungle far from the major cities of countries that tend to piss people off.
 
2012-11-13 10:51:06 PM  
There was an Englishman in the late '30's who was certain that a world war was about to begin and decided to move to the safest place he could find. After much research, he did in fact move. To Guadalcanal.

/Never heard from again.
 
2012-11-13 10:52:13 PM  

Gyrfalcon: JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit. The Maldives one looked the nicest. None of them looked like McAfee's Belize.

That's pretty good. Does it come with a team of leather-clad female ninjas for male residents, and a cadre of black-uniformed male Spec Ops types for us women?


Do you want your own team of female ninjas or are you willing to share? If you want your own you might be out of luck. Especially if you aren't Carlos Slim.
 
2012-11-13 10:55:43 PM  
11. Anywhere in Switzerland.
 
2012-11-13 10:57:34 PM  

mongbiohazard: 11. Anywhere in Switzerland.


Only if you are a citizen
 
2012-11-13 10:58:17 PM  
I think the best places to ride out the end of the world are probably pretty well-kept secrets that you will not find online.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:08 PM  

DenisVengeance: CSB: Even though I knew it was bullshiat, when Y2K was approaching I booked a New Year's trip to Costa Rica. I figured if the shiat was gonna hit the fan I wanted to be on a warm beach until things got back to normal.


The boyfriend and I are gonna spend the end of days at the omni hotel in the city. Just lock ourselves up, order room service and have fun. If we're gonna die, we're gonna show them Mayans our BIDNESS.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:22 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com

/Tho I could dig hanging out in Megaton. I got a swingin' pad there...
//Nuka-cola too
 
2012-11-13 11:04:27 PM  
Tristan is completely out of the line of fire.
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acc6.its.brooklyn.cuny.edu
 
2012-11-13 11:08:01 PM  

RogermcAllen: NewportBarGuy: I'd prefer a nuclear submarine thanks.

I feel like nuclear carrier is the way to go.


Being on the surface is bad.


And carriers a likely some of the first targets in a nuclear war. Wherever they are.
 
2012-11-13 11:11:43 PM  
I'll be honest. If the real "end of the world" is coming, all I am really going to want is a place with a bar and a good view. I don't want to survive that. Just get me nice and numb before the 500 MPH burning winds strip the flesh from my bones and leave nothing but a shadow on the wall.
 
2012-11-13 11:11:47 PM  
The Green Briar is pretty nice. Completely unassuming if you don't know what is below ground. I have family that lives very close, nice place to go for lunch
 
2012-11-13 11:15:33 PM  
Taking cover in a bunker while the state/country around you is fused into glass doesn't sound like survival - more like death row without an easy way out. South Pacific/Atlantic seems a bit better. At least you can enjoy spectacular sunsets as the radioactive dust clouds approach.
 
2012-11-13 11:17:17 PM  
Dixia Cheng, Beijing's Underground City?
Show-offs
 
2012-11-13 11:18:43 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

Yeah or you could just move close to a primary target and not worry about it.
 
2012-11-13 11:20:09 PM  
Well now that these places are on the list, they're going to be just too popular.

What I'm saying is I'm an apocalhipster.
 
2012-11-13 11:20:15 PM  
When my girl and I realized we were already planning to be together on the final day, we just sort of looked at each other, shrugged, and both said "you know, I am ok with that."
 
2012-11-13 11:22:01 PM  

crab66: RogermcAllen: NewportBarGuy: I'd prefer a nuclear submarine thanks.

I feel like nuclear carrier is the way to go.

Being on the surface is bad.


And carriers a likely some of the first targets in a nuclear war. Wherever they are.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Super-Orion. With all the nukes going off everywhere else, a little extra fallout and EMP isn't going to matter anyway. Payload's big enough to establish a small colony for you and your friends on the moon or Mars.
 
2012-11-13 11:23:17 PM  

cookiefleck: order room service


Hmm. Unless you plan on getting information most other people won't, you may want to re-think your cunning plan.
 
2012-11-13 11:24:00 PM  
cincinnati. it'll take ten years for the end to catch up.
 
2012-11-13 11:24:25 PM  

gremlin1: AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?

It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.


lol nope Whiskey my friend....
 
2012-11-13 11:27:21 PM  

Anthracite: gremlin1: AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?

It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.

lol nope Whiskey my friend....


Cheap handguns. "By the way, you'll need some ammo for that. Or, you could just give the gun back to me and GTFO".
 
2012-11-13 11:27:36 PM  

Eddie Ate Dynamite: cookiefleck: order room service

Hmm. Unless you plan on getting information most other people won't, you may want to re-think your cunning plan.


You know not everyone believes this right? And business will go about as usual on the days leading up and on that day? I've only heard "internet" people really take this seriously.
 
2012-11-13 11:31:40 PM  
And not for nothing, but welcome to being a kid in the 70s and 80s. You left for school every day wondering if the bomb was going to be dropped. Forget nice awesome places to hide out; you were shown where your local Fallout shelters were.

That's not me farking with you, Gen X grew up thinking today could be your last day.

/Probably why I love playing Fallout
//All that stress growing up, and now the world is your playground
///Your mutant infested, faction-riddled playground
 
2012-11-13 11:31:47 PM  

whatshisname: I think I'd hide out in some jungle far from the major cities of countries that tend to piss people off.


only to be eaten by the fauna or aboriginal locals

/ah, the irony
//or is it?
 
2012-11-13 11:32:48 PM  

DenisVengeance: CSB: Even though I knew it was bullshiat, when Y2K was approaching I booked a New Year's trip to Costa Rica. I figured if the shiat was gonna hit the fan I wanted to be on a warm beach until things got back to normal.


We were going to be in Paris for December 21st this year but after hearing bullshiat we are just going to the mountains and took a trip to NY two weeks ago before the storm.

The mountain trip was my idea, since we have a stockspiled farm built into the side of a hill with a passage to cave. Screw all these well known places, they are the first place everyone will go.
 
2012-11-13 11:33:12 PM  

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Food for five years, a thousand gallons of gas, air filtration, water filtration, Geiger counter. Bomb shelter! Underground... God damn monsters.



/I remember when the world was going to end back in the 70's.
//Same shiat, different decade
 
2012-11-13 11:38:01 PM  
I am going to be exactly where I want to be. I can't think of a better plan.
 
2012-11-13 11:41:10 PM  
Ahh... Elizabeth Clare Prophet.

Another one of those, "You have no idea how weird Montana is..." locations/people.
 
2012-11-13 11:43:01 PM  
Anytime someone mentions the end of the world, they talk about "survival". What part of THE END they don't understand? If people survive, then it's not the end. Only a major inconvenience.
 
2012-11-13 11:44:58 PM  
I'm going to be in bed with Subby's Mom.
Course, it will be pretty crowded at first.
 
2012-11-13 11:46:30 PM  
I'll watch from the Enterprise.
 
2012-11-13 11:48:26 PM  

Eps05: Anytime someone mentions the end of the world, they talk about "survival". What part of THE END they don't understand? If people survive, then it's not the end. Only a major inconvenience.


Exactly. I am not worried about surviving the end. Nobody will.
 
2012-11-13 11:49:11 PM  
There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. I thought it was an interesting show. Many of the preppers believed in laughably idiotic/unlikely end of the world scenarios, and many were prepping for true societal collapse, government gone, every man for himself, cannibalism come winter scenarios. I don't know if the show covers everything they do, but for most of them I could think of several things they didn't have but would obviously need. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts.

What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge. Call me crazy, but if I was building a bunker like that I would take books, books on survival of course but also on how to make things, blacksmithing, farming, anything I thought would be useful. Books on history, literature, science, anything I thought would be worth saving.

I'm a firm believer in being prepared, and I do keep an emergency disaster kit handy but I was left with the overwhelming impression that most of these people for all the thought and planning they put into their preparations had only really half thought things through. 

/Reread Lucifer's Hammer a few weeks ago
//Always made me sad that Forrester didn't survive
 
2012-11-13 11:49:34 PM  

JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit.


What it looks like is the lair in Diabolik.

Off to watch more MST3K.
 
2012-11-13 11:52:15 PM  

cookiefleck: Eddie Ate Dynamite: cookiefleck: order room service

Hmm. Unless you plan on getting information most other people won't, you may want to re-think your cunning plan.

You know not everyone believes this right? And business will go about as usual on the days leading up and on that day? I've only heard "internet" people really take this seriously.


I wasn't looking at it from a December 2012 perspective, I was thinking actual end of the world scenario. Like if we spotted an asteroid or the core of the Earth stopped spinning or zombies or something. My bad. You even mentioned Mayans in your post. Oh well, nobody ever accused me of being observant and I guess that's not changing today.
 
2012-11-13 11:53:45 PM  

Eps05: Anytime someone mentions the end of the world, they talk about "survival". What part of THE END they don't understand? If people survive, then it's not the end. Only a major inconvenience.


The living would envy the dead.
 
2012-11-13 11:56:24 PM  
Whoever rated that "no star" hotel obviously hasn't traveled much. That bed actually looked comfortable. Given some of the places I've had the misfortune to stay at (and I can't say I've dealt with the worst of the worst) I'd say that place rates more than zero stars.

/There's a place in Oklahoma City that's never getting my business again
//And they're showing they use an industrial vac to clean up - a place I know of in Orlando that could learn a bit from that
 
2012-11-13 11:56:57 PM  
I am just going to give her a long kiss and go to sleep and not worry about waking up.
 
2012-11-13 11:59:28 PM  
just make sure you eat the fat people, not the sick people

also, always well-done. always.
 
2012-11-14 12:00:57 AM  

Mirthman: no photoshop of the wall paper @ #1?

 

I know. That shiat would drive me crazy faster than the isolation would.
 
2012-11-14 12:01:04 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: Gyrfalcon: JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit. The Maldives one looked the nicest. None of them looked like McAfee's Belize.

That's pretty good. Does it come with a team of leather-clad female ninjas for male residents, and a cadre of black-uniformed male Spec Ops types for us women?

Do you want your own team of female ninjas or are you willing to share? If you want your own you might be out of luck. Especially if you aren't Carlos Slim.


You get the girls. I get the boys.
 
2012-11-14 12:01:57 AM  
In the event of a zombie apocalypse, I have come to the conclusion I will find a well-armed extreme couponer.
 
2012-11-14 12:02:55 AM  
That's why you should find someone who makes you laugh and treats you good and eat steak and get blitzed and have fun. If it's the end of the world, NO ONE WILL SURVIVE, no matter what "Walking Dead" fantasies you may have.
 
2012-11-14 12:05:17 AM  

JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit


It reminded me of a section of a TF 2 map. Can't remember which one, though.
 
2012-11-14 12:06:18 AM  

whatshisname: I think I'd hide out in some jungle far from the major cities of countries that tend to piss people off.


Exactly. the last place you want to be is definitely NOT in any places that are published anywhere like on buzzfeed! LOL

You want to be far far from any major cities and well known landmarks so America and Europe is definitely out.

Probably want to go to some pacific islands where the natives don;t even give two shiats if the rest of the world nuke themselves to death.
I may be wrong but i don;t think any nuclear powers have their crosshairs on places like Christmas Islands, kiribati, Cook Islands etc....
 
2012-11-14 12:09:07 AM  
I don't need a hideout.

I have at least a gallon of bourbon at all times, a shotgun, and a rocking chair. My only concern is running out of ice before armageddon hits.
 
2012-11-14 12:09:55 AM  
Hmm. I might ought to change my reservation at Ruth Chris to Friday.
 
2012-11-14 12:11:48 AM  

Gyrfalcon: JasonOfOrillia: Gyrfalcon: JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit. The Maldives one looked the nicest. None of them looked like McAfee's Belize.

That's pretty good. Does it come with a team of leather-clad female ninjas for male residents, and a cadre of black-uniformed male Spec Ops types for us women?

Do you want your own team of female ninjas or are you willing to share? If you want your own you might be out of luck. Especially if you aren't Carlos Slim.

You get the girls. I get the boys.


I'm down with that.:)
 
2012-11-14 12:13:05 AM  

fnordfocus: I don't need a hideout.

I have at least a gallon of bourbon at all times, a shotgun, and a rocking chair. My only concern is running out of ice before armageddon hits.



Neat.
 
2012-11-14 12:16:39 AM  
was planning a dec 22 wedding. the woman and I figured one way or another, our life of happiness will be over ;-)

had to push the wedding back a few months, sadly
 
2012-11-14 12:18:25 AM  

Amos Quito: Neat


Gets me drunk too fast.

I want to appreciate the firestorms and such.
 
2012-11-14 12:18:53 AM  

HempHead: Tristan is completely out of the line of fire.
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Yeah pretty much this.

All those bunkers listed are crap ideas as they are suffer from one or more of the following:

A) Near major population centres.
B) Lots of other people know about them and can easily get to the location.
C) Require you to get there first.
D) You are planning on spending the rest of your life living in a hole? Your definition of "nice place" needs some work.
E) Even the ones that once upon a time did have 30 years of supplies no longer do. The wikileaks server farm is going to taste of bullshiat and if Assange makes it there its going to get rapey pretty quickly.
 
2012-11-14 12:20:31 AM  
It depends on what "the end of the world" really means. If it's a fully nuclear world war, then sure, some of these bunkers might work. If it's an Earth-breaking meteor, then you might as well grab the first primate you see and start humping, coz you won't be waking up in bed to it tomorrow. If it's zombies, or financial/societal ruin, then I'm thinking the Catskills might work out, as long as you can survive the first winter.

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2012-11-14 12:20:40 AM  

SuperNinjaToad: whatshisname: I think I'd hide out in some jungle far from the major cities of countries that tend to piss people off.

Exactly. the last place you want to be is definitely NOT in any places that are published anywhere like on buzzfeed! LOL

You want to be far far from any major cities and well known landmarks so America and Europe is definitely out.

Probably want to go to some pacific islands where the natives don;t even give two shiats if the rest of the world nuke themselves to death.
I may be wrong but i don;t think any nuclear powers have their crosshairs on places like Christmas Islands, kiribati, Cook Islands etc....


ass-end of the world countries like where i live are also ok.
/ Farkers are welcome!
 
2012-11-14 12:20:45 AM  

HempHead: Tristan is completely out of the line of fire.

264 severely inbred people already live there. Outsiders aren't allowed to buy land or settle there. I don't think they'd be very welcoming in the event of apocalypse.
 
2012-11-14 12:21:47 AM  
Not NEARLY enough Fallout in this thread.

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images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-14 12:24:13 AM  

fusillade762: JasonOfOrillia: The wikileaks shelter looked like the best bond-villain/spectre outfit

It reminded me of a section of a TF 2 map. Can't remember which one, though.


Are you sure you aren't thinking of a Halo map?

/haven't played Halo in 7 years
 
2012-11-14 12:24:39 AM  

miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts. What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge.


A lot of those dreams of the apocalypse are about wanting to kill someone legally (because law enforcement is always absent/dead in these scenarios). For these loonies, survival is not about knowing how to save lives, do mechanical work, grow and store food. It's a fantasy of being able to kill other people and take their stuff. Why learn to fish when they can just kill other people and take their fish? As long as the ammo holds out, of course...
 
2012-11-14 12:27:16 AM  

gremlin1: AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?

It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.


Right, because in a Mad Max world, what you really want to carry around are heavy metals and little rocks.

Try cans o' beans, lighters and shotgun shells.
 
2012-11-14 12:33:19 AM  
freaking amateurs!
All but one of these places are known missile targets and all of them are in the northern hemisphere.
I won't tell you wear to go, it will get too crowded, but I am really bored with all of the I will go into the woods/desert and survive.
Let me know how that works our for you after you run out of bullets, iron, iodine tablets, etc.
 
2012-11-14 12:33:22 AM  

Evil High Priest: gremlin1: AlwaysRightBoy: gremlin1: no Cheyenne Mountain ?
We could always go thru the stargate

Do our credit cards even work there?

It's the end of the world they're not going to take credit. It would probably need to be precious metals or gem stones.

Right, because in a Mad Max world, what you really want to carry around are heavy metals and little rocks.

Try cans o' beans, lighters and shotgun shells.


www.raidz3ro.com
 
2012-11-14 12:34:59 AM  
I lived in the 50s and 60s across the bay from Bremerton Navy Shipyard. We were told that it was ground zero for the two decades that grew up in. There were sirens going off every Monday at 10am to remind us. I'd sit on the back porch, which faced north toward the shipyard, and imagined what that Mushroon cloud would look like from there. the 'drop and cover' drills were played once a month at school, and evening baseball games were occasionally interrupted to practice laying on the ground. These preppers really don't know what they're doing. they gather up and scare each other with stories, and now are trying to scare you. The real scare was much worse, 'cause it was on my doorstep. I live on the west coast bacause the Nuclear cloud will be going toward ya'll. Forks will be the safe spot.
 
2012-11-14 12:44:13 AM  

DenisVengeance: CSB: Even though I knew it was bullshiat, when Y2K was approaching I booked a New Year's trip to Costa Rica. I figured if the shiat was gonna hit the fan I wanted to be on a warm beach until things got back to normal.


Good idea, go somewhere where you know no one and are going to be an easily oppressed and enslaved minority.
 
2012-11-14 12:45:08 AM  

belhade: It depends on what "the end of the world" really means. If it's a fully nuclear world war, then sure, some of these bunkers might work. If it's an Earth-breaking meteor, then you might as well grab the first primate you see and start humping, coz you won't be waking up in bed to it tomorrow. If it's zombies, or financial/societal ruin, then I'm thinking the Catskills might work out, as long as you can survive the first winter.

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Maybe, but I think you've got that backward. In a fully nuclear war, you probably won't be waking up, unless the first couple strikes take out the command&control centers, or unless it's small-scale terrorist style strikes. In case of The Big One, we're all pretty much dying, either sooner or later. If it's a world-ending asteroid, like what took out the dinosaurs, remember that that only killed about 65% of known species and humans, being the innovators that we are, would have a pretty good chance of outlasting the cataclysm that would follow, assuming you weren't in the impact zone.

Now, in a social meltdown, it's going to be slow, kind of an erosion more than anything, so there will be time to prep and plan if you know what you're looking for. Think of the "Mad Max" movies as a kind of continuum. In the first movie, there was still a kind of society, on the verge of breaking down, but with enough resources and social control that things barely held together. In the second, little clumps of humanity were holding out against anarchy. By the third, chaos had taken over except a few despotic enclaves. It would be like that; or like the "Fallout" scenario. Stay near hydroelectric plants or clean running water. I'm going to the High Sierras, myself.
 
2012-11-14 12:56:45 AM  
The Adirondack Missile Silo was for sale - may still be. I wouldn't mind living in a silo. Only problem you have I hear is making sure the water table doesn't seep in.


It's an old read... but here's a tour of an abandoned one. I got curious a couple of years ago and emailed the guy since he mentioned they got caught. He managed to get the charges dropped, but he did say it was out in the middle of nowhere and when he and his buddy came out there was the sherriff's department along with a military MP truck. He never did figure out how they found out there were in the silo. He figures it was under remote surveillance or they tripped a sensor.
 
2012-11-14 01:05:49 AM  
On the Beach.
 
2012-11-14 01:08:06 AM  

fusillade762: Mirthman: no photoshop of the wall paper @ #1? 

I know. That shiat would drive me crazy faster than the isolation would.


Came in here to mention this...
 
2012-11-14 01:08:45 AM  

miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. I thought it was an interesting show. Many of the preppers believed in laughably idiotic/unlikely end of the world scenarios, and many were prepping for true societal collapse, government gone, every man for himself, cannibalism come winter scenarios. I don't know if the show covers everything they do, but for most of them I could think of several things they didn't have but would obviously need. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts.

What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge. Call me crazy, but if I was building a bunker like that I would take books, books on survival of course but also on how to make things, blacksmithing, farming, anything I thought would be useful. Books on history, literature, science, anything I thought would be worth saving.

I'm a firm believer in being prepared, and I do keep an emergency disaster kit handy but I was left with the overwhelming impression that most of these people for all the thought and planning they put into their preparations had only really half thought things through. 

/Reread Lucifer's Hammer a few weeks ago
//Always made me sad that Forrester didn't survive


I love that book. 10 years later and I still remember that last chapter about throwing that can of tear gas out of a sling improperly, not accounting for the tangent, and then killing the survivors with ballista-fired bolts.
 
2012-11-14 01:13:16 AM  
casualgamr.com

I'm headed to Madagascar. Before, you know, they close their port.
 
2012-11-14 01:14:16 AM  
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
While the world outside is completely destroyed, I wouldn't mind spending eternity in an Aperture Science Relaxation Pod. Unless there are no supplies/robot servants. And if I have to test.
 
2012-11-14 01:15:06 AM  

Langdon_777: On the Beach.


Excellent book.

Another good "it's truly the end" depresso-fest book I enjoyed just for musing about a completely futile end known in advance is a book 「終末のフール」("fools at the end") by 伊坂幸太郎(Isaka Koutarou). It's a series of short stories all set in the same world (and some characters are in multiple ones) where it is 3 years before the known absolute end of the world, which will happen with an asteroid hit that is large enough to actually destroy the earth (surface will go molten, etc) and completely unavoidable. The first story opens up with essentially "it was the beginning of autumn, and hard to believe there would be only three more autumns left..."

Anyway the asteroid was discovered five years previous, and so there were massive riots and whatnot for a while, some things have broken down (along the "why bother going to school?" variety) but things are in a sort of settled period for a while, with everyone wondering when they will inevitably start up again as the end gets closer.

It's just a weird halfway broken twilight world, people sorta going on with life as they can, but everything completely known to be futile. Lots of musing about kids whom everyone knows will never grow up, etc.
 
2012-11-14 01:31:43 AM  

WordyGrrl: miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts. What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge.


A lot of those dreams of the apocalypse are about wanting to kill someone legally (because law enforcement is always absent/dead in these scenarios). For these loonies, survival is not about knowing how to save lives, do mechanical work, grow and store food. It's a fantasy of being able to kill other people and take their stuff. Why learn to fish when they can just kill other people and take their fish? As long as the ammo holds out, of course...


That's disturbingly true. One guy was describing his security arrangements and there was a moment where he help up his gun and with this smile of genuine joy and anticipation said he was ready to kill anyone who threatened him or his family.
 
2012-11-14 01:44:26 AM  
To be clear, if things ever go so badly south that you will need hoards of food/guns/whatever, the biggest danger is from other survivors, and there will be plenty of lawlessness to go around. In that situation it is only prudent to be armed. The look on this guy's face though... he couldn't wait, he really looked like he wanted it to happen.
 
2012-11-14 02:01:39 AM  

miniflea: WordyGrrl: miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts. What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge.


A lot of those dreams of the apocalypse are about wanting to kill someone legally (because law enforcement is always absent/dead in these scenarios). For these loonies, survival is not about knowing how to save lives, do mechanical work, grow and store food. It's a fantasy of being able to kill other people and take their stuff. Why learn to fish when they can just kill other people and take their fish? As long as the ammo holds out, of course...

That's disturbingly true. One guy was describing his security arrangements and there was a moment where he help up his gun and with this smile of genuine joy and anticipation said he was ready to kill anyone who threatened him or his family.


Which raises the interesting question...what's going to happen to this dingdong's family when/if the apocalypse happens and nobody ever comes to threaten him or his family? Because if that happens, I can assure him I won't be within a nuclear mile of any other survivors for quite some time unless I know them personally; and from what I've gathered of these "Doomsday Preppers" idiots, the whole idea of "prepping" for the apocalypse, it's to be hundreds of miles from anyone else. Who does this guy think is going to travel all that way to "threaten" him? Does he really believe the Lord Humungous and his band are going to be roaming around?
 
2012-11-14 02:13:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: miniflea: WordyGrrl: miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts. What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge.


A lot of those dreams of the apocalypse are about wanting to kill someone legally (because law enforcement is always absent/dead in these scenarios). For these loonies, survival is not about knowing how to save lives, do mechanical work, grow and store food. It's a fantasy of being able to kill other people and take their stuff. Why learn to fish when they can just kill other people and take their fish? As long as the ammo holds out, of course...

That's disturbingly true. One guy was describing his security arrangements and there was a moment where he help up his gun and with this smile of genuine joy and anticipation said he was ready to kill anyone who threatened him or his family.

Which raises the interesting question...what's going to happen to this dingdong's family when/if the apocalypse happens and nobody ever comes to threaten him or his family? Because if that happens, I can assure him I won't be within a nuclear mile of any other survivors for quite some time unless I know them personally; and from what I've gathered of these "Doomsday Preppers" idiots, the whole idea of "prepping" for the apocalypse, it's to be hundreds of miles from anyone else. Who does this guy think is going to travel all that way to "threaten" him? Does he really believe the Lord Humungous and his band are going to be roaming around?


You just haven't read this...
edwardcheever.files.wordpress.com
Granted they'll be suprised when their guns don't work ; )
 
2012-11-14 02:52:28 AM  

Gyrfalcon: belhade: It depends on what "the end of the world" really means. If it's a fully nuclear world war, then sure, some of these bunkers might work. If it's an Earth-breaking meteor, then you might as well grab the first primate you see and start humping, coz you won't be waking up in bed to it tomorrow. If it's zombies, or financial/societal ruin, then I'm thinking the Catskills might work out, as long as you can survive the first winter.

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Maybe, but I think you've got that backward. In a fully nuclear war, you probably won't be waking up, unless the first couple strikes take out the command&control centers, or unless it's small-scale terrorist style strikes. In case of The Big One, we're all pretty much dying, either sooner or later. If it's a world-ending asteroid, like what took out the dinosaurs, remember that that only killed about 65% of known species and humans, being the innovators that we are, would have a pretty good chance of outlasting the cataclysm that would follow, assuming you weren't in the impact zone.

Now, in a social meltdown, it's going to be slow, kind of an erosion more than anything, so there will be time to prep and plan if you know what you're looking for. Think of the "Mad Max" movies as a kind of continuum. In the first movie, there was still a kind of society, on the verge of breaking down, but with enough resources and social control that things barely held together. In the second, little clumps of humanity were holding out against anarchy. By the third, chaos had taken over except a few despotic enclaves. It would be like that; or like the "Fallout" scenario. Stay near hydroelectric plants or clean running water. I'm going to the High Sierras, myself.


What about plague?

ecx.images-amazon.com 

Link Read the reviews.
 
2012-11-14 02:53:43 AM  

NewportBarGuy: I'd prefer a nuclear submarine thanks.


6 months worth of food, tops.
 
2012-11-14 02:54:32 AM  
There is a fatal flaw in the Montana site. It is right next to a giant Caldera. It may be sitting right where the end of the world starts.
 
2012-11-14 03:05:06 AM  
Actually, I'm set. Got this place in mind: 

www.vorsteiner.com 

www.bikesportmichigan.com
 
mjg
2012-11-14 03:24:04 AM  
www.entertainmentwallpaper.com

Fark.
 
2012-11-14 03:31:07 AM  
My rich aunt & uncle took me for a day-trip to the Greenbrier back in the late 70's, and it was known that there was a 'secret' bunker there at that time. I saw those doors, IIRC. Young me thought that was cooler than the ritzy hotel. Old me still does.
 
2012-11-14 04:50:46 AM  
More apocalyptic book links please.
 
2012-11-14 05:21:01 AM  
In case nobody has mentioned it: I'm pretty sure the "wikileaks bunker" is actually a hosting company that runs a bunker in Stockholm.

"On a main street in one of Stockholm's hippest areas, a snow-covered hill topped by a church conceals a nuclear-proof bunker, home to a futuristic data centre holding 8,000 servers - two of which belong to WikiLeaks" Link

More info about the datacenter, with lots of cool photos
 
2012-11-14 06:37:08 AM  
It really depends on which "end of the world" you're talking about...

Meteor the size of Texas? Global thermonuclear war? Black hole swallows the Earth? Nanotech farkup? Gamma ray burst? Strangelets? Antimatter? Don't bother... food for 5 years means you die 5 years later.

Societal collapse and/or zombies? Alien invasion? Maybe a supervirus? Even a supervolcano (depending on location)? Massive solar storm? A bunker might help... but not unless it's very close to you and unknown to the outside.

The places listed in the article mostly suck, and not just because people know about them.

The Kennedy Bunker is in FLORIDA. OMG tsunami and/or hurricane. With both that and the Greenbriar bunker, good luck getting in without a fight, since the owners and their friends/family will already be inside.
Anything with "missile" or "silo" in the name is probably on somebody's target list.
An underground Chinese city? Well, do you live in Beijing? Do you happen to have good relations with the Chinese ruling class? Tough luck.
An underwater resort with glass walls... need I say more?

If the world is actually ending, just go out and "embrace the horror" with front-row seats. If it's survivable, head for the hills and hope you don't die on your way out of the cities.
 
2012-11-14 06:55:27 AM  
This story brought to you by the up coming release of the "Red Dawn" reboot movie
 
2012-11-14 07:14:41 AM  
GIS for "Atlas E Missile Bay (Kansas)"

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-11-14 08:02:30 AM  
You know all those small earthquakes and weird noises in the news lately.
farm3.static.flickr.com
 
2012-11-14 09:17:30 AM  
Yeah, WV tops a list that doesn't involve obesity or heart attacks!

/home
 
2012-11-14 09:39:06 AM  
 
2012-11-14 09:47:49 AM  
I think the author of this article is giving horrible places to go to increase his own chances of survival... After #3 on the list the ideas are worthless.
 
2012-11-14 10:29:16 AM  
A few weeks ago the power went out. Got me thinking of "End of the World" scenarios. You see, I had my thyroid gland removed 10 years ago. I need to consume a constant level of thyroid tissue to survive, and when my T3 and T4 levels start to get low, I become increasingly psychotic.

So, if it's just a societal collapse, everything will be fine. I live in flyover country so there will be plenty of fresh killed game (Any mammalian thyroid tissue is supposed to be good enough.) But if I was stuck in some kind of bunker, with just a handful of other people and no thyroid meds, my options would be either suicide, a slow agonizing death, or cannibalism.

So if the end does come, and I'm a survivor, I may quickly devolve into a night crawling, throat ripping monster. Creepy.
 
2012-11-14 10:57:55 AM  
I got to tour this place a few months ago. it's an old nuclear bomb bunker built by the Army Corp of Engineers for Madame Chang Kai Chek's nephew, Luis Kang. Apparently he made a ton of money in oil and, after living through the bombing of China by the Japanese in WWII, he was very afraid of having to live through that again. But he ended up going broke and after that the site switched hands for years until it was purchased by the current owner, who turned the shelter into a data center,

Colo prices were pretty good as well. $1,200 per month for a full rack with 2x 30 amp circuits that are fed by local electric then by 3x >1 megawatt generators with something like 35,000 gallons of diesel on site. Electricity is included so all we would have to pay is the ISP hookup. They said they can run 10 days with full load or up to 6 weeks with a light load, with a priority contract for diesel delivery. Since our servers are in a hurricane area we may be moving our core servers there.

The office building is also bullet proof and fed by the generators. During disasters you can rent workstations there with internet access for something like $150 a day a seat. During the power outages after Hurricane Ike a lot of stuff was running from there, such as the Houston Chronicle newspaper, airline dispatch centers, etc. There were also a lot of spaces leased to companies as cold and warm sites.

And it had a free fully stocked bar for use by the customers.

www.westlandbunker.com

Link
 
2012-11-14 11:50:01 AM  

Shirley Ujest: More apocalyptic book links please.


Here's a few to get you started - tried to list some you might not run across and only what I've read

A Canticle For Leibowitz
the Sheep Lok Up
Dhalgren
Heavy Weather
Farnhams Freehold
The More In God's Eye
Stand on Zanzibar
The Quiet Earth (movie)
Daybreak 2250AD
 
2012-11-14 12:15:19 PM  

miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. I thought it was an interesting show. Many of the preppers believed in laughably idiotic/unlikely end of the world scenarios, and many were prepping for true societal collapse, government gone, every man for himself, cannibalism come winter scenarios. I don't know if the show covers everything they do, but for most of them I could think of several things they didn't have but would obviously need. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts.

What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge. Call me crazy, but if I was building a bunker like that I would take books, books on survival of course but also on how to make things, blacksmithing, farming, anything I thought would be useful. Books on history, literature, science, anything I thought would be worth saving.

I'm a firm believer in being prepared, and I do keep an emergency disaster kit handy but I was left with the overwhelming impression that most of these people for all the thought and planning they put into their preparations had only really half thought things through. 

/Reread Lucifer's Hammer a few weeks ago
//Always made me sad that Forrester didn't survive


I had the same thoughts. I believe what's happened here is that the real preppers, aside from a few, don't want folks to know what they're up to. There was one guy, who live up in upper Maine, would had what appeared to be a pretty good skill set. The others, however, would likely fail in short order.

Gyrfalcon: Maybe, but I think you've got that backward. In a fully nuclear war, you probably won't be waking up, unless the first couple strikes take out the command&control centers, or unless it's small-scale terrorist style strikes. In case of The Big One, we're all pretty much dying, either sooner or later. If it's a world-ending asteroid, like what took out the dinosaurs, remember that that only killed about 65% of known species and humans, being the innovators that we are, would have a pretty good chance of outlasting the cataclysm that would follow, assuming you weren't in the impact zone.


Actually, I seem to remember that in a full-on nuclear war, most everyone in the suburbs will end up alive at the end. The true urbanites probably won't, but most of us will. This is problematic because probably less than 1% of them will have any useful skills. While a person or small family might be able to eke out a living for a year or so, until folks manage to band together in small communities, the risk to any individual is so high the mortality rates will probably cause even those who have or learn the skills to end up tits up anyway.

The best advice I've seen or heard is to have enough stuff to get you and your family 1) out of Dodge and somewhere remote and 2) let you live until you get longer term plans in place. From there you will need to get a community going in order to disperse the labor amongst everyone. Blacksmithing, farming, animal husbandry, textiles, defense, hunting, etc.

Now, in a social meltdown, it's going to be slow, kind of an erosion more than anything, so there will be time to prep and plan if you know what you're looking for. Think of the "Mad Max" movies as a kind of continuum. In the first movie, there was still a kind of society, on the verge of breaking down, but with enough resources and social control that things barely held together. In the second, little clumps of humanity were holding out against anarchy. By the third, chaos had taken over except a few despotic enclaves. It would be like that; or like the "Fallout" scenario. Stay near hydroelectric plants or clean running water. I'm going to the High Sierras, myself.

Yep - get the hell out of Dodge and get your own non-despotic enclave going. Do it somewhere remote with access to food, water, and raw materials. Stay out of site, distrust outsiders, and make damn well sure your area is well-defended if someone actually does stumble across it and wish you ill.
 
2012-11-14 03:43:58 PM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: miniflea: WordyGrrl: miniflea: There was a Doomesday Preppers marathon on today, and I caught a few episodes. Only one stockpiled alcohol, none had any medical supplies or training. One guy had solar powered well pumps that he was very proud of, but didn't mention any electronics knowledge or spare parts. What struck me most though was the lack of stockpiled knowledge.


A lot of those dreams of the apocalypse are about wanting to kill someone legally (because law enforcement is always absent/dead in these scenarios). For these loonies, survival is not about knowing how to save lives, do mechanical work, grow and store food. It's a fantasy of being able to kill other people and take their stuff. Why learn to fish when they can just kill other people and take their fish? As long as the ammo holds out, of course...

That's disturbingly true. One guy was describing his security arrangements and there was a moment where he help up his gun and with this smile of genuine joy and anticipation said he was ready to kill anyone who threatened him or his family.

Which raises the interesting question...what's going to happen to this dingdong's family when/if the apocalypse happens and nobody ever comes to threaten him or his family? Because if that happens, I can assure him I won't be within a nuclear mile of any other survivors for quite some time unless I know them personally; and from what I've gathered of these "Doomsday Preppers" idiots, the whole idea of "prepping" for the apocalypse, it's to be hundreds of miles from anyone else. Who does this guy think is going to travel all that way to "threaten" him? Does he really believe the Lord Humungous and his band are going to be roaming around?

You just haven't read this...
[edwardcheever.files.wordpress.com image 510x680]
Granted they'll be suprised when their guns don't work ; )


Great series! really makes you think about what's around you and how fast you can get out of a city.
 
2012-11-14 04:08:23 PM  

Mikeyworld: I lived in the 50s and 60s across the bay from Bremerton Navy Shipyard. We were told that it was ground zero for the two decades that grew up in. There were sirens going off every Monday at 10am to remind us. I'd sit on the back porch, which faced north toward the shipyard, and imagined what that Mushroon cloud would look like from there. the 'drop and cover' drills were played once a month at school, and evening baseball games were occasionally interrupted to practice laying on the ground. These preppers really don't know what they're doing. they gather up and scare each other with stories, and now are trying to scare you. The real scare was much worse, 'cause it was on my doorstep. I live on the west coast bacause the Nuclear cloud will be going toward ya'll. Forks will be the safe spot.



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There is no safe spot when it comes to nuclear contamination, sir. I fear for Hawai`i.


I enjoy guns like other preppers, but you can't shoot an earthquake. Food, water, shelter, power and training must be priorities.
 
2012-11-14 04:30:50 PM  
In the 80's, we always planned to go up on the roof with sunglasses and a six pack if the balloon went up. 

/75 miles from NYC and about 20 miles from a nuclear plant.
 
2012-11-14 09:40:56 PM  

Valarius: Mikeyworld:

[images.nationalgeographic.com image 600x399]

There is no safe spot when it comes to nuclear contamination, sir. I fear for Hawai`i.

I enjoy guns like other preppers, but you can't shoot an earthquake. Food, water, shelter, power and training must be priorities.


Sir; Forks is about a hunnert feet up the hill from Ilwaco, so that Tsunami you depicted will not be an issue. The winds are generally off the jet stream, which travels to the east, Unclear contamination will have to travel the width of the Pacific, and it's in a temperate rain forest, so contamination will get washed out quickly with the 100+ inches per year. Earthquakes are very rare on the west side the Olympics,but there is that monster fault out there waitin', but ya can't have it all. I ain't gonna stock nothin' 'cause there'll be plenty of canned goods available at the local schools emergency sheds, and local stores, though someone will have claimed most of them within a coupla days.

/Hawai'i will be the cleanest, the contamination will be settled in a year or two and not be an issue.
//Not prepping, just relying on my Lazarus Long skills, the ability to do a little of everything and a lot of figgering it out.
 
2012-11-15 12:02:40 AM  

Shirley Ujest: More apocalyptic book links please.


Lights Out by David Crawford (EMP attack)
Lucifer's Hammer by Larry Niven (Meteor strike - from the 1970's so its dated, but still very good)
One Second After by William R. Forstchen (EMP attack)
Flood - Stephen Baxter (obvious)
Ark - Stephen Baxter (sequel to Flood)
 
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