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2012-11-13 04:50:33 PM  
Sounds like an error at the disc printer.
 
2012-11-13 05:11:51 PM  
Yo dawg, I heard you like video games...
 
2012-11-13 05:38:00 PM  
PC copy. Well, I hope it works when I get home (sneaked out earlier and bought a copy), otherwise I'm in for what is sure to be a really long download from Steam.
 
2012-11-13 06:01:06 PM  
I bought a xbox360 game one time (new) and there was a blank cdr in the sealed case. Just picked up my copy of this.
 
2012-11-13 07:04:30 PM  
Bioware is under EA. How could this even happen?
 
2012-11-13 07:06:01 PM  
So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!
 
2012-11-13 07:10:09 PM  

Uzzah: So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!


I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?
 
2012-11-13 07:11:16 PM  

Warlordtrooper: Bioware is under EA. How could this even happen?


There's your answer.
 
2012-11-13 07:14:59 PM  

Aar1012: Uzzah: So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!

I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?


Depends on what you were looking for. ME2 took a lot of the RPG elements of ME1 out, and focused more on being a shooter. If you like shooters, then you probably thought ME2 was better. If you like RPGs, you probably thought ME1 was better.
 
2012-11-13 07:18:47 PM  

Aar1012: Uzzah: So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!

I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?


If you ignore the ending of each game, they get progressively better in each installment. If you look at just the endings, they get progressively worse with each installment.
 
2012-11-13 07:22:36 PM  

Bhruic: If you like shooters, then you probably thought ME2 was better. If you like RPGs, you probably thought ME1 was better.


ME1 was a GOOD RPG while ME2 isn't a very good shooter. But the mining in ME2 makes up for its other shortcomings by being so awful that the rest of the game looks great by comparison.
 
2012-11-13 07:23:45 PM  

Bhruic: Aar1012: Uzzah: So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!

I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?

Depends on what you were looking for. ME2 took a lot of the RPG elements of ME1 out, and focused more on being a shooter. If you like shooters, then you probably thought ME2 was better. If you like RPGs, you probably thought ME1 was better.


I like RPGs and I liked Mass Effect 2 better, but Mass Effect 1 was a great game too. Mass Effect 3 was a travesty. Forgetting the whole ending, I think it was terrible that the game had a hundred or so side quests and didn't manage them in the journal except to show that you started or completed them. I mean, they made sure to get some guy in a booth to narrate every line of the codex but they couldn't flesh out key areas of gameplay. Then there's the ending, which everyone already knows about. I played 1 and 2 through several times each, I couldn't stomach a second playthrough of 3. It just didn't feel worth it.
 
2012-11-13 07:27:30 PM  
I wonder how Activision will spin this?
 
2012-11-13 07:28:08 PM  
I imagine these few scattered reports are just scratching the surface of the real problem.
 
2012-11-13 07:31:07 PM  

Aar1012: I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?


Mass Effect 1 could have been a much better game if they cut out 90% of the aimlessly wandering around (both in locations and on planets) and had more than three enemies.

Mass Effect 2 could have been a much better game if it didn't kick itself in the nuts with the skill system by linking every ability to each other and focusing instead on balancing the enemies in an interesting way.

The whole series could have been made much better by having your choices significantly impact the gameplay.
 
2012-11-13 07:40:02 PM  

Aar1012: Uzzah: So *that* explains why Mass Effect 2 sucked so much: it was actually Black Ops 2!

I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?


Mass Effect 2 is the best in terms of actual shooter mechanics, while I think ME1 is the better RPG. While the actual gunplay in ME1 was atrocious, everything that wasn't shooting stuff was much more RPG-y than 2. Both are still generally better than 3, though I won't say 3 was bad(outside the ending), it just couldn't possibly live up to the hype. I thoroughly enjoyed actually playing it.

/though I am still bitter about overheating getting replaced by regular old reload mechanics
 
2012-11-13 07:54:13 PM  
Pre-bought in Steam. NO problems. They did this very well. Even if it is hosted nonsense. GUI is great.

Console games are scum.
 
2012-11-13 07:55:22 PM  
IMO, the ME series started amazingly and ended with a splat. ME1 left me with a sense of "just what exactly are the reapers and what the hell do they want?" ME2 ends and I left with "space hotdogs." I haven't even finished 3 out of the pure disappointment that was 2 for me, I hated the main storyline but the characters and universe we great, so I ignored the story to get to the end (Again, side character stories are absolutely top notch). Now I just like to pretend that they're fighting in space waiting for me to return and finish the fight, but nah, not gonna happen.

/At least the multiplayer is fun. Co-op with free updates is always nice.
 
2012-11-13 08:22:29 PM  

red5ish: ME1 was a GOOD RPG while ME2 isn't a very good shooter. But the mining in ME2 makes up for its other shortcomings by being so awful that the rest of the game looks great by comparison.


ME2 has Mordin, your opinion is invalid.
 
2012-11-13 08:26:50 PM  
Anyone find it amusing that they link to the picture of the 4chan thread?
 
2012-11-13 08:27:48 PM  
ME1 is a terrible rpg with terrible shooting mechanics, a fantastic story with big options, bland protagonist options, good characters, and an ambitious universe that's poorly designed

ME2 is a functional but half-assed shooter with half-assed rpg elements, a minimal plot with incredible story elements and limited options, terrific protagonist options, incredible characters, and a incredible universe that's conservatively designed

ME3 is a pretty good shooter with some well integrated rpg elements, a disappointing but occasionally awesome story with big options (until the ending), limited protagonist options, fan-servicey characters that you've already fallen in love with, and a limited universe


it's a frustrating as hell series, and i desperately hope that it can see some sort of remake in my lifetime. but i highly recommend the entire trilogy to anyone who might be interested. i also highly, highly recommend that they be played with their additional content.
 
2012-11-13 08:28:30 PM  
I should go. I should go. I should go. I should go. I should go. I should go. I should go. I should go.
 
2012-11-13 08:32:52 PM  

Bhruic: Depends on what you were looking for. ME2 took a lot of the RPG elements of ME1 out, and focused more on being a shooter. If you like shooters, then you probably thought ME2 was better. If you like RPGs, you probably thought ME1 was better.


Will people ever get over the idea that endless micromanagement on the character sheet and inventory screen, especially when done through a less-than-stellar GUI, are "RPG elements" without which a game cannot be an RPG?

Christ, it's this mindset that has people trashing Skyrim while lauding Oblivion as the best TES game, because you could (hell, had to with level-scaling) min-max your character to the teats through endless micromanagement. While, Skyrim has much more of the "pick-up-and-play" feel of organic character development Bethesda was aiming for from the beginning of the series.

Micromanagement != RPG. Got damn.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:08 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Will people ever get over the idea that endless micromanagement on the character sheet and inventory screen, especially when done through a less-than-stellar GUI, are "RPG elements" without which a game cannot be an RPG?


If I was talking about micromanagement and inventory screens, you might have a point, but I wasn't, so you don't.
 
2012-11-13 09:03:45 PM  

Aar1012: I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?


Mass Effect 2 started the downhill slide where the game became less about story and more about doing stuff that looked cool, making characters that look cool, and appealing to teenage male fantasies. This culminated with the shiatting on everything the story was supposed to be that we got in the ME3 ending.

Mass Effect 2 took what was an amazing story set in an amazing universe and changed it into a cliche, name branded, MTVized rule-of-cool-athon. Mind you it was a fun game (I have nearly 300 hours of playtime with it according to Steam). But as a continuation of the Mass Effect story as set up in ME1, it pretty much sucked.

ME3 was a direct sequel to ME2 more than either were a sequel to ME1.

As long as you choose not to care too much about story or sensible character integration, ME2 and ME3 are really good games (and minus the ME3 end-game starting from the point of no return, ME3 is by far the better of the two games). But, for at least some of us, they are disappointing as a continuation of the story that began in ME1.

/Bioware Montreal announced they are working on the next Mass Effect game, and the news didn't even twitch my give-a-damn-o-meter
//that's how bad they farked up, especially with the ME3 ending
 
2012-11-13 09:15:00 PM  

Bhruic: If I was talking about micromanagement and inventory screens, you might have a point, but I wasn't, so you don't.


Well then, what pray tell made ME2 less of an RPG than ME1, and what elements were removed to make it less of one?
 
2012-11-13 09:27:17 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Well then, what pray tell made ME2 less of an RPG than ME1, and what elements were removed to make it less of one?


I was actually in the middle of typing out a list of the differences, but I realized I was starting almost every sentence with "You had the option to". And that's really what it came down to, ME1 gave you a lot more options about how you wanted to play your character. ME2 reduced, or "streamlined" those options considerably.
 
2012-11-13 09:37:36 PM  

mamoru: Aar1012: I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?

Mass Effect 2 started the downhill slide where the game became less about story and more about doing stuff that looked cool, making characters that look cool, and appealing to teenage male fantasies. This culminated with the shiatting on everything the story was supposed to be that we got in the ME3 ending.

Mass Effect 2 took what was an amazing story set in an amazing universe and changed it into a cliche, name branded, MTVized rule-of-cool-athon. Mind you it was a fun game (I have nearly 300 hours of playtime with it according to Steam). But as a continuation of the Mass Effect story as set up in ME1, it pretty much sucked.

 

Oookaayyy . . .
 
2012-11-13 09:39:08 PM  

serial arseonist: If you ignore the ending of each game, they get progressively better in each installment. If you look at just the endings, they get progressively worse with each installment.


I have never seen my (until now incoherent) thoughts on Mass Effect so perfectly summarized before. Thank you.

This is why 2 is considered by many (myself included) to be the best. It doesn't have the cruft 1 had NOR does it have the horrid ending 3 had. Less Bad = More Good.
 
2012-11-13 09:43:47 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: red5ish: ME1 was a GOOD RPG while ME2 isn't a very good shooter. But the mining in ME2 makes up for its other shortcomings by being so awful that the rest of the game looks great by comparison.

ME2 has Mordin, your opinion is invalid.


ME3 had Mordin, too.

/He was the very model of a *BOOM*
//I kid and now have a sad
 
2012-11-13 09:44:16 PM  
Hey guys! I tried to play Black Ops 2 over lunch and I'm having trouble-

In the first mission, where the Illusive Man sends you to investigate the missing human colony, I'm having trouble finishing off the Collectors before Commander Shepard is killed. Any advice?

/shamefully copied from someone at work
 
2012-11-13 09:48:46 PM  

that bosnian sniper: Bhruic: Depends on what you were looking for. ME2 took a lot of the RPG elements of ME1 out, and focused more on being a shooter. If you like shooters, then you probably thought ME2 was better. If you like RPGs, you probably thought ME1 was better.

Will people ever get over the idea that endless micromanagement on the character sheet and inventory screen, especially when done through a less-than-stellar GUI, are "RPG elements" without which a game cannot be an RPG?

Christ, it's this mindset that has people trashing Skyrim while lauding Oblivion as the best TES game, because you could (hell, had to with level-scaling) min-max your character to the teats through endless micromanagement. While, Skyrim has much more of the "pick-up-and-play" feel of organic character development Bethesda was aiming for from the beginning of the series.

Micromanagement != RPG. Got damn.


Doesn't know what the hell you're on about:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-11-13 09:49:45 PM  
That guy sounds fat.
 
2012-11-13 09:52:11 PM  

Summoner101: ME2 has Mordin, your opinion is invalid.

ME3 had Mordin, too.

/He was the very model of a *BOOM*
//I kid and now have a sad


It's interesting to note that the voice actor for ME2 Mordin isn't the same as for ME3. I didn't even notice my first playthrough, but once I read about it, it was quite apparent for my second.

And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.
 
2012-11-13 09:56:10 PM  

Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.


Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl
 
2012-11-13 09:59:40 PM  
Is this where we come to hate on COD and ME. Awesome! Cause I farking love both series. Eat it haters.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:20 PM  

Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl


Pshaw. Miranda is where it's at.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:54 PM  
ME2 was my favorite. While ME1 was great, and a better RPG on paper, the endless inventory battles were tiresome to say the least. ME2 I wasn't a super fan of the 'one gun and go' type thing, but it worked.

ME3 can go fark itself. Ruined the entire series for me. Couldn't even be bothered to play through the 'fixed cut' or whatever they ended up calling it, and I won't be buying any more EA/BW games short of an act of congress. And no one cares about the reasons.
 
2012-11-13 10:28:07 PM  

Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl


Ha, it's hard not to appreciate Liara.

My second playthrough was the "asshole choices" one, and when I got to that scene... Man, I had a hard time with Mordin. I mean, I knew it was just a computer game, but still.
 
2012-11-13 10:31:32 PM  

Imperious Rex!: Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl

Pshaw. Miranda is where it's at.


Miranda: Perfectly designed. Gets a fivehead.

/I should go
 
2012-11-13 11:17:33 PM  

Imperious Rex!: Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl

Pshaw. Miranda Tali is where it's at.


FTFY
 
2012-11-13 11:20:40 PM  

LeafyGreens: mamoru: Aar1012: I thought Mass Effect 2 was the best one?

Mass Effect 2 started the downhill slide where the game became less about story and more about doing stuff that looked cool, making characters that look cool, and appealing to teenage male fantasies. This culminated with the shiatting on everything the story was supposed to be that we got in the ME3 ending.

Mass Effect 2 took what was an amazing story set in an amazing universe and changed it into a cliche, name branded, MTVized rule-of-cool-athon. Mind you it was a fun game (I have nearly 300 hours of playtime with it according to Steam). But as a continuation of the Mass Effect story as set up in ME1, it pretty much sucked.
 

Oookaayyy . . .


Reading comprehension not your strong point? Notice my emphases. The bold part is one opinion I have of the game, especially regarding it's game play and many of it's moments. The underlined parts go together to form another opinion I have of the game, this time entirely based on it as a supposed continuation of the story that was begun in the first.

See the difference? It's like Alien: Resurrection. Fun enough movie in itself, but a shiatty continuation of the Alien universe. I like it as a mindless action movie, kind of like a pretty decent fanfic. But as an "Alien" movie, it was garbage.
 
2012-11-13 11:30:58 PM  
And, dammit, who snuck those apostrophes in there! >:(

its gameplay...its moments...
 
2012-11-13 11:36:33 PM  

Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl


At first I was like "what the hell, I don't remember that" then I was like "Oh yeah, I hated Bioware's half-finished Mass Effect 2.5 that I didn't even bother to download the ending add on"
 
2012-11-13 11:40:25 PM  

JonZoidberg: At first I was like "what the hell, I don't remember that" then I was like "Oh yeah, I hated Bioware's half-finished Mass Effect 2.5 that I didn't even bother to download the ending add on"


You didn't miss much. They managed to make it exactly the same quality-wise by making some parts of it better and other parts of it much worse and just plain asinine. So that overall, you are left with the same shiatty feeling about the whole thing.
 
2012-11-13 11:43:28 PM  

Bhruic: Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl

Ha, it's hard not to appreciate Liara.

My second playthrough was the "asshole choices" one, and when I got to that scene... Man, I had a hard time with Mordin. I mean, I knew it was just a computer game, but still.


The Renegade interrupt on the Xbox is the right trigger button. The nature of that little design element really slams home the betrayal you as the player himself/herself commit against the character - I did the same thing on my second play through (asshole Shepard) and it was hard to literally pull the trigger on him.
 
2012-11-13 11:56:24 PM  

Summoner101: Imperious Rex!: Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl

Pshaw. Miranda Tali is where it's at.

FTFY


Eh, I like it when I can actually see my lady love's face. And no, a poorly Photoshopped image does not count.

Sock Ruh Tease: Imperious Rex!: Myria: Bhruic: And yes, probably the saddest moment for me in the whole series.

Yeah, that was sad. Only certain choices lead to that, albeit common ones.

I was also sad when Liara put Shepard's name on the memorial at the end of ME3.

/Liara fangirl

Pshaw. Miranda is where it's at.

Miranda: Perfectly designed. Gets a fivehead.

/I should go


Hey, Miranda was modeled after Yvonne Strahovski. That is as close to perfection as one can get.
 
2012-11-14 12:02:36 AM  
I'm the rare bird. I liked all three games except (you guessed it!) the ending of the Third.

Not being able to explore? Well, no, there's a War going on.

The fact that every choice in the game was invalidated by a whiny little VI (and an inconsistent one at that) killed the entire story for me. Which I'd REALLY liked until then.

(Ok. The Journal sucked, too. I admit it.)
 
2012-11-14 12:27:05 AM  

TheZorker: I'm the rare bird. I liked all three games except (you guessed it!) the ending of the Third.


Oh, I liked them all too. They just each had their own gameplay elements that were annoying. Having to drive all over planets to find mineral caches and suchforth? Lame. Having to scan planets for minerals? Lame. Find lots of war room stuff that didn't matter in the slightest? Lame.

Admittedly all of those were optional, but they could have done a much better job of working them into the game without making them annoying.

But yeah, the ending was bad. Even the new-and-improved! ending was bad. I guess we'll see what they can do with 4, but it's definitely not going to be a day 1 purchase for me at this point.
 
2012-11-14 12:27:10 AM  

TheZorker: I'm the rare bird. I liked all three games except (you guessed it!) the ending of the Third.

Not being able to explore? Well, no, there's a War going on.

The fact that every choice in the game was invalidated by a whiny little VI (and an inconsistent one at that) killed the entire story for me. Which I'd REALLY liked until then.

(Ok. The Journal sucked, too. I admit it.)


Yeah, I'm with you there, although I wasn't the greatest fan of 2, I still enjoyed it, and enjoyed 3 more except for the gaping plot singularity that kicks in at the end.

On a sidenote, I just recently found out that the the new DLC "Omega" is coming out for ME3 later this month where you go with Aria to take back Omega. Not sure if I'm going to get it or not, I haven't touched the game since trying out the free "here's our failed attempt at making the ending better." DLC.

/Liara or Yeoman Kelly Chambers is where it's at.
//Jack would likely be crazy awesome in bed, but end up killing you in your sleep.
///Miranda is a biatch and her daddy issues aren't the ones that lend to happy fun time in the sack.
//Ashley Williams just seemed too boring.
/Space Snooki ... less said the better
 
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