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2012-11-13 04:10:18 PM
If it took you 4 years to figure out that your degree in underwater basket weaving (with a minor in TV appreciation) wasn't going to fast-track you into a six-figure-salary position at a Fortune 500 company then you do not deserve a refund.
 
2012-11-13 04:17:03 PM
Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, to hell with personal responsibility.
 
2012-11-13 04:18:44 PM
these people need to punch themselves in the nuts. I'm paying back my student loans. they can do.
 
2012-11-13 04:20:24 PM
I'd go a step further. Allow student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy, like it used to be. You have no idea how many people this would help.

Oh, and I went to college WITHOUT any loans, so I am more than entitled to this opinion. Let 'em BK7 them, it's not without its consequences. Some people are absolutely CRIPPLED by this. Yes, there is the personal responsibility angle, but how many 18 year old kids are really capable of making a decision that can literally haunt them for the rest of their lives? Give them a break, a way out. The whole system is crap.
 
2012-11-13 04:20:34 PM
by the way, another thing the federal government may not be able to help you with. people are farking stupid.
 
2012-11-13 04:21:17 PM
Beats the secession ones I suppose.
 
2012-11-13 04:23:15 PM
Well, with the first two posters' idiocy out of the way, while this is a bit far-fetched it once again brings to light the point that many employers won't hire without some fancy sheet of paper that asserts the holder somehow knows how to do the job for which they are applying, and the only way to get that piece of paper is to place yourself in the amount of debt similar to a goddamn home mortgage.

Also while the market is certainly saturated, I doubt an MBA is ewquivalent to a degree in UWBW. And, as far as personal responsibility goes, when a college states "You have like a 68% higher chance of getting your dream job at a 42% higher salary!" and then you graduate and the market says "It's called the honey pot son, she played you good", well maybe those farkers would love to make those bill payments, but they can't afford to.
 
2012-11-13 04:23:29 PM
I'm going to start a petition to end these stupid-ass petitions.
 
2012-11-13 04:27:55 PM

nekom: I'd go a step further. Allow student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy, like it used to be. You have no idea how many people this would help.

Oh, and I went to college WITHOUT any loans, so I am more than entitled to this opinion. Let 'em BK7 them, it's not without its consequences. Some people are absolutely CRIPPLED by this. Yes, there is the personal responsibility angle, but how many 18 year old kids are really capable of making a decision that can literally haunt them for the rest of their lives? Give them a break, a way out. The whole system is crap.


Meh said it better than I did. I work in bankruptcy. The two things I see as the primary cause are medical bills and home mortgages, and in the vast majority of bk petitions I review I see student loans, often above six digits. What an act of collusion to make them immune from discharge. They should have made it more like the "910" clause in Chapter 13 whereby you can't simply discharge them immediately after school, but to make them entirely non-dischargable absent ridiculously difficult to satisfy requirements?
 
2012-11-13 04:29:05 PM

nekom: Allow student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy, like it used to be


That.
 
2012-11-13 04:30:57 PM
The problem here is that you're not paying for a diploma, you're paying for education. So in order to refund your tuition, we'll have to remove what you learned.

Therefore, we need this dude:

www.heroesrevealed.com
 
2012-11-13 04:33:02 PM
Courtesy of @IowaHawkBlog, great thinker of our time

fark you, you self-aggrandizing, entitled little shiatstain.

Oh, wait. He's not a whiny little recent grad. He's a grown-ass man with 2 kids and a blog that links to the entire constellation of right-wing nut jobbery.

fark you, you teatard shiatstain.
 
2012-11-13 04:37:18 PM

Elandriel: They should have made it more like the "910" clause in Chapter 13 whereby you can't simply discharge them immediately after school, but to make them entirely non-dischargable absent ridiculously difficult to satisfy requirements?


Alternate idea: Allow it to be discharged in a 13. Reasonable payments based on the particular situation for, what 5 years for a 13? I agree they shouldn't be able to discharge it right after receiving their education, it shouldn't be allowed to be done in bad faith. But for some people, it is absolutely the best option not currently available to them.
 
2012-11-13 04:40:43 PM

nekom: Alternate idea: Allow it to be discharged in a 13. Reasonable payments based on the particular situation for, what 5 years for a 13? I agree they shouldn't be able to discharge it right after receiving their education, it shouldn't be allowed to be done in bad faith. But for some people, it is absolutely the best option not currently available to them.


I know the argument is essentially "The debtor has received a [tangible] service and/or product to which the creditor has no recompense" but then you know what? Maybe don't make your farking school so expensive.

And of course, if anyone wants to know the real reason why tuition rates have skyrocketed, look no further than the fact that you can not ever, ever escape them, even through bankruptcy, and in some cases death.
 
2012-11-13 04:41:34 PM

propasaurus: Courtesy of @IowaHawkBlog, great thinker of our time

fark you, you self-aggrandizing, entitled little shiatstain.

Oh, wait. He's not a whiny little recent grad. He's a grown-ass man with 2 kids and a blog that links to the entire constellation of right-wing nut jobbery.

fark you, you teatard shiatstain.


Goddamn it. YOU RUINED A PERFECTLY GOOD HEROES REFERENCE @IOWAHAWKBLOG, YOU COCK!
 
2012-11-13 04:43:18 PM
All you have to do is sign up for the military after graduation. They give you $$$$ and you sign a few years of your life away as an indentured servant. When your time is up, you leave. Now, you are a vet and you get points when job hunting.

It may not pay off all your loans, but you scammed the system by avoiding the ritualistic ROTC and having to walk around campus in the uniforms and passing inspections every week.


/didn't do this because (gasp) I worked a PT job making enough money in the summers and holidays to pay tuition, room, board, books, spending money, etc....

but did have a couple of friends that got a full ride on an Air Force ROTC program.

saw one of my fellow graduates join the Air Force after not being able to find a job. The ROTC guys jaws dropped when they saw that he got the money they got up front.

//was a couple of weeks away from joining before I got a job working offshore
 
2012-11-13 04:56:49 PM
somebody please explain to me whether this a conservative thing or a liberal thing... I'm really confused.

/no student loans
//put last semester on credit card - so stupid.
 
2012-11-13 05:01:05 PM
Who are the people that keep for-profit online "colleges" in business? A piece of paper from a brick and mortar university may not count for much, but wouldn't an employer think it's a helluva lot better than online "schools" where the student can sit in his pajamas and smoke weed all day.

The paper may not be worth much, but the experience of interacting with peers seems crucial if you ever want to work with other people.
 
2012-11-13 05:02:33 PM

Voiceofreason01: If it took you 4 years to figure out that your degree in underwater basket weaving (with a minor in TV appreciation) wasn't going to fast-track you into a six-figure-salary position at a Fortune 500 company then you do not deserve a refund.


But I got a dual major in art films and history from a small private school, and my PhD from University of Phoenix in ancient Roman civilization. Why the hell shouldn't the government pay for my education since I've specialized so much and have so much to offer?
 
2012-11-13 05:09:29 PM

Elandriel: Well, with the first two posters' idiocy out of the way, while this is a bit far-fetched it once again brings to light the point that many employers won't hire without some fancy sheet of paper that asserts the holder somehow knows how to do the job for which they are applying, and the only way to get that piece of paper is to place yourself in the amount of debt similar to a goddamn home mortgage.


This is the worst fallacy of the "student loan forgiveness" argument. Even with current tuition prices it's possible to go to a community college for 2 years, then work full time and finish the last two years of your degree over 3 or 4 years. Does it take a little longer and require you to not go to the school of your dreams? Probably. But does it mean little to no debt once your done as well as a whole lot of actual work experience? Yes. Yes it does.
 
2012-11-13 05:24:55 PM
When you think about it, the Federal government is actually throwing money away on these student loans. With all the diploma mills out there, we could probably eliminate the spending deficit if the Government simply kept all the interest on all the liberal arts majors out there with $80k in student debt.

/it's a stupid tax
//it's the best way to get rid of spending/taxing gaps.
///it's worked for Nevada for decades.
 
2012-11-13 05:25:23 PM

knbber2: Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, to hell with personal responsibility.


sounds to me like a whinny republican trying to make a point.

and failing as they usually do
 
2012-11-13 05:25:52 PM
I'd like a refund for my BS in Mechanical Engineering. I've never used it. I make a living hustling used books.
 
2012-11-13 05:25:53 PM
Yes, I'm behind this completely, however with a caveat. Anyone who gets their student loan bailed out is beholden to the federal government and has to fill in potholes, collect rattlesnake venom or whatever menial labor the government requires with 15% of their minimum wages being taxed with the revenue going towards the "bailing out idiot college students" program for a minimum of 10 years.
 
2012-11-13 05:25:57 PM
In an alternate universe, BYU coeds petition President Romney to refund 100% of their tuition in trade for husbands.
 
2012-11-13 05:27:36 PM

Brontes: But I got a dual major in art films and history from a small private school, and my PhD from University of Phoenix in ancient Roman civilization. Why the hell shouldn't the government pay for my education since I've specialized so much and have so much to offer?


You have a doctorate in ancient Roman civilization? What do you do for a living?
 
2012-11-13 05:27:57 PM

nekom: I'd go a step further. Allow student loan debt to be discharged in bankruptcy, like it used to be. You have no idea how many people this would help.

Oh, and I went to college WITHOUT any loans, so I am more than entitled to this opinion. Let 'em BK7 them, it's not without its consequences. Some people are absolutely CRIPPLED by this. Yes, there is the personal responsibility angle, but how many 18 year old kids are really capable of making a decision that can literally haunt them for the rest of their lives? Give them a break, a way out. The whole system is crap.


In that case there would be no unsecured college loans. Because the obvious thing to do would be to borrow like hell and then go bankrupt after you graduate.
 
2012-11-13 05:28:12 PM

Voiceofreason01: If it took you 4 years to figure out that your degree in underwater basket weaving (with a minor in TV appreciation) wasn't going to fast-track you into a six-figure-salary position at a Fortune 500 company then you do not deserve a refund.


Hey now! When I started; Halliburton was paying some chump $300 a basket for baskets woven underwater.

/ the market shrunk

// not everyone needs to go to college
 
2012-11-13 05:28:16 PM
www.bls.gov
 
2012-11-13 05:29:05 PM
I owed a lot in student loans, too. Know what I did? Made payments until they were gone.
 
2012-11-13 05:29:42 PM
Because of the inability of recent college graduates to find gainful employment in order to repay their college debt, and since this college debt cannot be eliminated in bankruptcy, and most of the recent additions to the job market have been in service related industries, the Obama administration should take up the cause of reducing college debt and hold those accountable responsible.

And who, pray tell, is accountable for YOUR debt?
 
2012-11-13 05:30:20 PM

nekom: but how many 18 year old kids are really capable of making a decision that can literally haunt them for the rest of their lives?


They can vote, can't they?
 
2012-11-13 05:31:05 PM

lamecomedian: nekom: but how many 18 year old kids are really capable of making a decision that can literally haunt them for the rest of their lives?

They can vote, can't they?


Or join the military.
 
2012-11-13 05:31:13 PM

knbber2: Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, to hell with personal responsibility.


Y'know, I thought the same until it occurred to me that it never hurts to ask. I have to wonder if I'm the sucker for paying off my loans if all I had to do was politely say "Hey, can I stop doing this?" I'm all for manning up and dealing with your mistakes, but if nobody cares if you do, why do it? Just move on and don't do it again. And again, you'll never know if people are ok with you dropping it if you never ask.
 
2012-11-13 05:31:30 PM
We could do what other countries do and have low/no tuition.
 
2012-11-13 05:31:39 PM

knbber2: Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, to hell with personal responsibility.


Standing here like a loaded gun waiting to go off?

/Better not be obscure!
 
2012-11-13 05:33:27 PM
You mean to tell me not everyone gets their underwater basket weaving degree paid in full by the government like me?
 
2012-11-13 05:33:51 PM

ManateeGag: these people need to punch themselves in the nuts. I'm paying back my student loans. they can do.


English major?
 
2012-11-13 05:33:55 PM
I have $900 a month in private student loan bills. My DoE debt is bigger, but more easily manageable. I'm not really sure how I'm ever supposed to start a life, buy a house, have children with this millstone around my neck.
 
2012-11-13 05:34:07 PM
When is the Student Loan Bubble (SLB) going to pop?

Going $200,000 in debt to get a BA degree in English Studies is not smart. Going $200,000 in debt to become a neurosurgeon is another story.
 
2012-11-13 05:34:21 PM

knbber2: Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee, to hell with personal responsibility.




Why should college students be any different. Obama will provide for all the hogs at the trough.
 
2012-11-13 05:34:32 PM
How about a compromise. College tuition rates locks in at time of acceptance for the entirety of a students pursuit (for that specific degree).
 
2012-11-13 05:34:51 PM

queezyweezel: Brontes: But I got a dual major in art films and history from a small private school, and my PhD from University of Phoenix in ancient Roman civilization. Why the hell shouldn't the government pay for my education since I've specialized so much and have so much to offer?

You have a doctorate in ancient Roman civilization? What do you do for a living?


Probably works as an Army physician....paygrade is about the same too....
 
2012-11-13 05:34:52 PM
weknowmemes.com

/sorry
 
2012-11-13 05:34:56 PM

wildcardjack: I'd like a refund for my BS in Mechanical Engineering. I've never used it. I make a living hustling used books.


Can I have it? I want to go back to school for mechanical engineering but if you already have the paper I can just put my name on it. I will give you $50 and half a bottle of YooHoo.
 
2012-11-13 05:34:59 PM

signaljammer: We could do what other countries do and have low/no tuition.


If you think it's expensive now, just wait until it's free.
 
2012-11-13 05:35:32 PM

queezyweezel: Brontes: But I got a dual major in art films and history from a small private school, and my PhD from University of Phoenix in ancient Roman civilization. Why the hell shouldn't the government pay for my education since I've specialized so much and have so much to offer?

You have a doctorate in ancient Roman civilization? What do you do for a living?


Romans?
 
2012-11-13 05:35:43 PM
Very simple question: Are the students going to give the knowledge back that they got at the university? Are they going to make up for the seat that they took up that the university could have filled with a different student?
 
2012-11-13 05:36:38 PM
Look at all those college town signatures.
 
2012-11-13 05:36:41 PM

ManateeGag: these people need to punch themselves in the nuts. I'm paying back my student loans. they can do.


There your have it.
The Famous American "I got screwed, so you'll get screwed too!" Attitude.
 
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