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(Time)   Marco Rubio is starting to worry about all the Cuban support President Obama has garnered   (swampland.time.com) divider line 21
    More: Florida, President Obama, Marco Rubio, Cuban, human beings, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, House Foreign Affairs Committee, Mario Diaz-Balart, U.S. Representative  
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2012-11-13 04:39:54 PM
6 votes:
Translation: Marco Rubio is worried that he won't be able to delivery Florida when he runs for President, thus eliminating his biggest selling point.
2012-11-13 05:25:44 PM
4 votes:
The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!
2012-11-13 06:13:55 PM
3 votes:

brigid_fitch: Oooo, let him run. I'm DYING to see what the Birthers will do.


You know what they'll do. They'll roll over. Just like the Catholics and evangelicals did with a Mormon candidate. Republican is all that matters.
2012-11-13 04:37:21 PM
3 votes:
Cubans are also part of the shrinking GOP base. It's not like we have a fresh supply of incoming Cubans. Plus, younger Cubans don't always share the same attitudes of their parents and grandparents. They don't have that same visceral bitterness.

In a way, Cubans are a personification of the GOP's challenges. Shrinking base + youth + diversity (of other Latinos) = bad news for GOP.
2012-11-13 08:30:05 PM
2 votes:
.....but another reputable exit poll has Obama winning 49%

I wish journalists wouldn't do things like this. Would it have been so hard to name the other polling firm?
2012-11-13 08:06:19 PM
2 votes:
I really hope that Obama ends the anachronistic, hypocritical embargo against Cuba during his second term.
2012-11-13 04:49:58 PM
2 votes:

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out. People who fled Cuba in 1960 aren't the predominant block 52 years later. There's a whole lot of American born Cubans, and they don't see the world the same way their grandparents did. They have black friends, they have gay friends, they're trying to get through college, or get their kids through college. For a young Cuban-American who's never been to Cuba, hell, who's parents have never been to Cuba, the anti-Castro rhetoric just doesn't have the same hold on them. They weren't at the Bay of Pigs.
And while Cuban-Americans hold a distinct place in South Florida, they're still just Latinos when they go anywhere else.
Times are changing. Republicans are being left behind.
2012-11-13 09:50:41 PM
1 votes:

sammyk: doyner: The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!

I'm cool with that. If you can get there on a kayak we should do what we can to have a good relationship with them.


I'm hoping we normalize relations in the next 10 years, as Cuba is on my A-List for cheap Latin American retirement destinations. Warm weather, educated population, cheap housing, and if I need to go to the states Jet Blue will have hourly Havana - Miami service for $39.95 each way.
2012-11-13 09:15:48 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.


Zombie Castro witnesses 14 US elections since taking power; how many more will he survive past.
2012-11-13 08:47:50 PM
1 votes:
Cubans who fled the revolution are dying out, they were almost entirely hardcore anti-communists. The younger people of Cuban descent don't share the same single-mindedness of their parents and grandparents. Besides, the Castro regime will be coming to an end soon. Today's Cuban Americans are suffering from the same problems as everyone else....a decrease in the standard of living, anxiety about health care, jobs, education, etc. The GOP can no longer think of Cuban Americans as being in the bag.

To sum up: You're farked again, GOP.
2012-11-13 08:47:41 PM
1 votes:
Man, all that effort the Florida GOP took to protect the Cuban-American voting block in Miami with it's bizzare gerrymandering seems to been all for naught.

LO farking L
2012-11-13 08:35:04 PM
1 votes:

RexTalionis: Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.


Which group gets fast-tracked to citizenship after stepping on American soil? If fellow Americans get tetchy over freebies given to the poor, just think what other Hispanics think about Cubans? No, Cuban out-reach isn't the path to solving the GOP Latino problem. It's deeper than Steve King or Louis Gophert flapping their lips, as well.
2012-11-13 08:23:17 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.

There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out.


I've always had a sense that the most Republican-friendly Cubans would move straight back to Cuba the minute Castro dies anyway. It just happened that Castro lived so long that next gen Cuban-Americans ended up integrating into the larger Democratic-friendly Hispanic-American culture.
2012-11-13 08:10:17 PM
1 votes:

propasaurus: ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.

There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out. People who fled Cuba in 1960 aren't the predominant block 52 years later. There's a whole lot of American born Cubans, and they don't see the world the same way their grandparents did. They have black friends, they have gay friends, they're trying to get through college, or get their kids through college. For a young Cuban-American who's never been to Cuba, hell, who's parents have never been to Cuba, the anti-Castro rhetoric just doesn't have the same hold on them. They weren't at the Bay of Pigs.
And while Cuban-Americans hold a distinct place in South Florida, they're still just Latinos when they go anywhere else.
Times are changing. Republicans are being left behind.


THIS. Many of the Cubans who hold a grudge against Kennedy are already dead.

The GOP couldn't have expected to hold onto that voting bloc forever.
2012-11-13 08:05:51 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.


I can't wait. I'm going to go down there and buy a sandwich.
2012-11-13 08:03:58 PM
1 votes:
When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.
2012-11-13 05:56:17 PM
1 votes:
Oooo, let him run. I'm DYING to see what the Birthers will do.
2012-11-13 05:35:52 PM
1 votes:

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


If only there was somewhere they could go to see what real communism looks like.
2012-11-13 04:45:56 PM
1 votes:

Aarontology: Translation: Marco Rubio is worried that he won't be able to delivery Florida when he runs for President, thus eliminating his biggest selling point.


Aaaaand we're done,

Somebody hit the lights.
2012-11-13 04:23:35 PM
1 votes:
Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.
2012-11-13 04:16:48 PM
1 votes:
Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.
 
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