If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Time)   Marco Rubio is starting to worry about all the Cuban support President Obama has garnered   (swampland.time.com) divider line 61
    More: Florida, President Obama, Marco Rubio, Cuban, human beings, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, House Foreign Affairs Committee, Mario Diaz-Balart, U.S. Representative  
•       •       •

2000 clicks; posted to Politics » on 13 Nov 2012 at 8:01 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



61 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-11-13 04:16:48 PM
Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.
 
2012-11-13 04:23:35 PM
Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.
 
2012-11-13 04:25:16 PM

RexTalionis: Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.


And, while the electorate is certainly fickle beyond reason, simply trotting out someone the same color doesn't usually work well when the rest of the party command and base is still howling 'bout them wetbacks. We saw this with the Michael Steele, when the GOP was all "Check it, a homey! You 'thugs' love this right? Brotherhood" and it went over like a wet fart in church.
 
2012-11-13 04:26:44 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


About half of the Cubans I know (okay, only one person) IS communist.

Then he moved to Canada.
 
2012-11-13 04:27:43 PM

Elandriel: We saw this with the Michael Steele, when the GOP was all "Check it, a homey! You 'thugs' love this right? Brotherhood" and it went over like a wet fart in church.


dev.vibe.workhabit.com
 
2012-11-13 04:37:08 PM

RexTalionis: Elandriel: We saw this with the Michael Steele, when the GOP was all "Check it, a homey! You 'thugs' love this right? Brotherhood" and it went over like a wet fart in church.

[dev.vibe.workhabit.com image 435x346]


EXACTLY
 
2012-11-13 04:37:21 PM
Cubans are also part of the shrinking GOP base. It's not like we have a fresh supply of incoming Cubans. Plus, younger Cubans don't always share the same attitudes of their parents and grandparents. They don't have that same visceral bitterness.

In a way, Cubans are a personification of the GOP's challenges. Shrinking base + youth + diversity (of other Latinos) = bad news for GOP.
 
2012-11-13 04:39:54 PM
Translation: Marco Rubio is worried that he won't be able to delivery Florida when he runs for President, thus eliminating his biggest selling point.
 
2012-11-13 04:45:56 PM

Aarontology: Translation: Marco Rubio is worried that he won't be able to delivery Florida when he runs for President, thus eliminating his biggest selling point.


Aaaaand we're done,

Somebody hit the lights.
 
2012-11-13 04:49:58 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out. People who fled Cuba in 1960 aren't the predominant block 52 years later. There's a whole lot of American born Cubans, and they don't see the world the same way their grandparents did. They have black friends, they have gay friends, they're trying to get through college, or get their kids through college. For a young Cuban-American who's never been to Cuba, hell, who's parents have never been to Cuba, the anti-Castro rhetoric just doesn't have the same hold on them. They weren't at the Bay of Pigs.
And while Cuban-Americans hold a distinct place in South Florida, they're still just Latinos when they go anywhere else.
Times are changing. Republicans are being left behind.
 
2012-11-13 05:25:44 PM
The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!
 
2012-11-13 05:27:51 PM
♫ Oh Ruuu-bi-ooo.... don't take your derp to town ♫
 
2012-11-13 05:35:52 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


If only there was somewhere they could go to see what real communism looks like.
 
2012-11-13 05:38:40 PM

doyner: The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!


I'm cool with that. If you can get there on a kayak we should do what we can to have a good relationship with them.
 
2012-11-13 05:55:30 PM
BTW, check out the tags:

More: Florida, President Obama, Marco Rubio, Cuban, human beings, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, House Foreign Affairs Committee, Mario Diaz-Balart, U.S. Representative


WTF?!?!?!?
 
2012-11-13 05:56:17 PM
Oooo, let him run. I'm DYING to see what the Birthers will do.
 
2012-11-13 06:01:58 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


They should take a look at who runs their (or their ancestors') country if they'd like to see an example of communism. Maybe do a little compare/contrast.
 
2012-11-13 06:13:55 PM

brigid_fitch: Oooo, let him run. I'm DYING to see what the Birthers will do.


You know what they'll do. They'll roll over. Just like the Catholics and evangelicals did with a Mormon candidate. Republican is all that matters.
 
2012-11-13 08:03:58 PM
When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.
 
2012-11-13 08:05:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.


I can't wait. I'm going to go down there and buy a sandwich.
 
2012-11-13 08:06:19 PM
I really hope that Obama ends the anachronistic, hypocritical embargo against Cuba during his second term.
 
2012-11-13 08:09:37 PM
I guess many Cubans think things will go differently in this country. It won't.
 
2012-11-13 08:10:17 PM

propasaurus: ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.

There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out. People who fled Cuba in 1960 aren't the predominant block 52 years later. There's a whole lot of American born Cubans, and they don't see the world the same way their grandparents did. They have black friends, they have gay friends, they're trying to get through college, or get their kids through college. For a young Cuban-American who's never been to Cuba, hell, who's parents have never been to Cuba, the anti-Castro rhetoric just doesn't have the same hold on them. They weren't at the Bay of Pigs.
And while Cuban-Americans hold a distinct place in South Florida, they're still just Latinos when they go anywhere else.
Times are changing. Republicans are being left behind.


THIS. Many of the Cubans who hold a grudge against Kennedy are already dead.

The GOP couldn't have expected to hold onto that voting bloc forever.
 
2012-11-13 08:10:54 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: I really hope that Obama ends the anachronistic, hypocritical embargo against Cuba during his second term.


The days of the embargo are numbered.
 
2012-11-13 08:12:34 PM

Elandriel: RexTalionis: Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.

And, while the electorate is certainly fickle beyond reason, simply trotting out someone the same color doesn't usually work well when the rest of the party command and base is still howling 'bout them wetbacks. We saw this with the Michael Steele, when the GOP was all "Check it, a homey! You 'thugs' love this right? Brotherhood" and it went over like a wet fart in church.


At least they learned their lesson.

www.addictinginfo.org
 
2012-11-13 08:18:26 PM

Diogenes: Cubans are also part of the shrinking GOP base. It's not like we have a fresh supply of incoming Cubans. Plus, younger Cubans don't always share the same attitudes of their parents and grandparents. They don't have that same visceral bitterness.

In a way, Cubans are a personification of the GOP's challenges. Shrinking base + youth + diversity (of other Latinos) = bad news for GOP.


I think 25K Cubans a year are/were? allowed to immigrate.
 
2012-11-13 08:20:40 PM
I still hope obama has the cojones to pull a 'nixon in china' and just end the stupid blockade and normalize relations. it's dragged on long enough and the surest way to bring down castro communism is the lust for shiny new things.
 
2012-11-13 08:23:17 PM

propasaurus: ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.

There seems to have been significant gains for Obama among Cuban-Americans in FL, particularly in Miami-Dade and Broward. Looks like Romney still won out, even though Miami-Dade as a whole went for Obama by about 61%. But there are gains there.
One thing a lot of people don't take into account is that the shifting demographics of the rest of the country also come into play in the Cuban community. The first and second generations are dying out.


I've always had a sense that the most Republican-friendly Cubans would move straight back to Cuba the minute Castro dies anyway. It just happened that Castro lived so long that next gen Cuban-Americans ended up integrating into the larger Democratic-friendly Hispanic-American culture.
 
2012-11-13 08:30:05 PM
.....but another reputable exit poll has Obama winning 49%

I wish journalists wouldn't do things like this. Would it have been so hard to name the other polling firm?
 
2012-11-13 08:32:06 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: I really hope that Obama ends the anachronistic, hypocritical embargo against Cuba during his second term.


A US President promising to end the Cuban Embargo is like a US President trying to take down Castro.

Never gonna happen.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:04 PM

RexTalionis: Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.


Which group gets fast-tracked to citizenship after stepping on American soil? If fellow Americans get tetchy over freebies given to the poor, just think what other Hispanics think about Cubans? No, Cuban out-reach isn't the path to solving the GOP Latino problem. It's deeper than Steve King or Louis Gophert flapping their lips, as well.
 
2012-11-13 08:41:56 PM

Whiskey Pete: .....but another reputable exit poll has Obama winning 49%

I wish journalists wouldn't do things like this. Would it have been so hard to name the other polling firm?


Yes, because they don't exist.
 
2012-11-13 08:43:37 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


In this day and age, why do people still think that the people they meet irl are representative samples of larger groups?
 
2012-11-13 08:46:47 PM

ManateeGag: Seriously? Most of the Cubans I know HATE Obama because they think he's a communist.


That's not fair.. Don't broad brush all Cubans. They are not that all teabag stupid.
Could it be that the Cuban American community don't see Rubio and the great brown hope that the GOP does?
Could it be that the Cuban American are not the monolithic right wing uninformed voters their parents are? It couldn't be the issues could it?

Just wondering?
 
2012-11-13 08:47:41 PM
Man, all that effort the Florida GOP took to protect the Cuban-American voting block in Miami with it's bizzare gerrymandering seems to been all for naught.

LO farking L
 
2012-11-13 08:47:50 PM
Cubans who fled the revolution are dying out, they were almost entirely hardcore anti-communists. The younger people of Cuban descent don't share the same single-mindedness of their parents and grandparents. Besides, the Castro regime will be coming to an end soon. Today's Cuban Americans are suffering from the same problems as everyone else....a decrease in the standard of living, anxiety about health care, jobs, education, etc. The GOP can no longer think of Cuban Americans as being in the bag.

To sum up: You're farked again, GOP.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:00 PM

Elandriel: RexTalionis: Republicans seem to think that all their problems with Hispanics would be forgotten if they nominate Marco Rubio in 2016.

I don't know this for sure, but my understanding from friends is that Cubans and most other Hispanic subgroups aren't exactly on the best of terms.

And, while the electorate is certainly fickle beyond reason, simply trotting out someone the same color doesn't usually work well when the rest of the party command and base is still howling 'bout them wetbacks. We saw this with the Michael Steele, when the GOP was all "Check it, a homey! You 'thugs' love this right? Brotherhood" and it went over like a wet fart in church.


How much of the black vote did Allen West get?
 
2012-11-13 09:03:40 PM
I see we're covered here.

1) Cuban does not necessarily mean Latino
3) Rubio's main charm is that he's from Florida (and brown - hey look we got one too!)
2) Cuban normalization is the future

Obama could lock up Florida and the Latino vote for the Democrats for a generation, and knock off Rubio's best selling point in the process by lifting the embargo.
 
2012-11-13 09:11:45 PM
Lifting the embargo.

The right has already tried to paint Obama as a Communist. They've tried to tie him to Castro and Chavez. What do you think they're going to howl if he tries to lift the embargo?

It'll be non-stop "palling around with communists, appeasing communists, turning America over to our communist enemies!!!1!"

I think it can be done, but it won't be a simple pen-stroke.
 
2012-11-13 09:15:48 PM

Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.


Zombie Castro witnesses 14 US elections since taking power; how many more will he survive past.
 
2012-11-13 09:19:05 PM

Kevin72: Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.

Zombie Castro witnesses 14 US elections since taking power; how many more will he survive past.


It's almost as though Castro made a deal with the devil; his soul for seeing the embargo lifted in his lifetime.
 
2012-11-13 09:50:41 PM

sammyk: doyner: The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!

I'm cool with that. If you can get there on a kayak we should do what we can to have a good relationship with them.


I'm hoping we normalize relations in the next 10 years, as Cuba is on my A-List for cheap Latin American retirement destinations. Warm weather, educated population, cheap housing, and if I need to go to the states Jet Blue will have hourly Havana - Miami service for $39.95 each way.
 
2012-11-13 09:50:51 PM

doyner: The moment that GOP Miami Cubans no longer can win Florida's electoral votes is the moment we finally normalize relations with Cuba.

STUDY IT OUT!


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^ ^^^^^^
 
2012-11-13 09:54:00 PM

propasaurus: Lifting the embargo.

The right has already tried to paint Obama as a Communist. They've tried to tie him to Castro and Chavez. What do you think they're going to howl if he tries to lift the embargo?

It'll be non-stop "palling around with communists, appeasing communists, turning America over to our communist enemies!!!1!"

I think it can be done, but it won't be a simple pen-stroke.


But's okay to be pals with the Communist Chinese and Vietnamese.

/Laotians, too?
 
2012-11-13 09:56:25 PM

Kevin72: Gyrfalcon: When Fidel dies in another couple of years and Raul normalizes relations with the US, it's going to be a moot point.

Zombie Castro witnesses 14 US elections since taking power; how many more will he survive past.


I can't imagine too many. Raul has essentially been in power for what, the last five or six years at least; and the Cuban emigration policy was just relaxed last month. He's gotta die in the next ten or 20 years max; Fidel has been in very poor health for quite some time. He lived the Evil Communist Dictator dream anyway (he did something none of his Soviet overlords managed) so outlasting the embargo doesn't really matter at this point. All the anti-Castro Cubans are in pretty much the same boat. They're all old or dying, and in another 20 years, they won't matter as a force in US politics beyond noise.

So once that bloc is gone, or when Fidel is dead enough that Raul can make diplomatic overtures to the US without soiling his memory, the Cuban population in Miami will have zero power.
 
2012-11-13 09:57:29 PM
It's about time for young Republicans with potentially bright futures to start bailing on the GOP.
 
2012-11-13 10:04:52 PM

I_Love_Cheesecake: I really hope that Obama ends the anachronistic, hypocritical embargo against Cuba during his second term.

 
2012-11-13 10:14:03 PM
I think Cuba will be for Obama what China was for Nixon. One day in the next four years (probably 2015 or 16), Air Force One is going to land in Havana and Obama's gonna meet one of the Castros.

/but first he'd help make Puerto Rico a state, so that Cuba will stay away
 
2012-11-13 10:51:43 PM
I tuned into a local Spanish talk-radio station in Miami a couple of weeks ago and some old lady had called into the show babbling about how Obama was a communist. I had to change the channel. You'd think these people would know what real communism is like. I think they see Obama as a sleeper communist, just waiting to declare marshal law, abolish elections, outlaw religion, and nationalize the private sector. The levels of stupidity are tea-party high!

Luckily, younger Cuban descendants (like myself) are much more enlightened to the fact that the real danger to this country is right-wing propaganda machines like Fox News that breed fear, hatred, and ignorance -- just like state-run TV stations do in places like Cuba and North Korea.
 
2012-11-14 12:15:51 AM
Cubans: the original illegal immigrants.

But somehow they've been able to portray Haitians, Mexicans, Nicaraguans, Jamaicans, and even Puerto Ricans (who are American citizens) as the spawn of the devil.
 
Displayed 50 of 61 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report