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(Slashdot)   Creator of the Linux kernel switches from XFCE to KDE because A) more configurability options B) less resource reliant or C) wobbly windows eye candy   (linux.slashdot.org) divider line 103
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2012-11-13 04:23:02 PM
Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.
 
2012-11-13 04:41:18 PM

Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.


Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better
 
2012-11-13 04:54:19 PM
To be fair wobbly windows are farking awesome
 
2012-11-13 05:24:22 PM

zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better


MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.
 
2012-11-13 05:30:33 PM

DjangoStonereaver: zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better

MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.


Personally I liked CP/M better than MSDOS, but MSDOS won out because of how much of an idiot Kildall was. Pretty much GNOME/XFCE/Uubuntu are acting like Gary Kildall
 
2012-11-13 07:00:29 PM
Darwin is where its at - best BSD fork ever...
 
2012-11-13 07:04:20 PM

cman: DjangoStonereaver: zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better

MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.

Personally I liked CP/M better than MSDOS, but MSDOS won out because of how much of an idiot Kildall was. Pretty much GNOME/XFCE/Uubuntu are acting like Gary Kildall


Really. What was it that you like about CP/M that was better than MSDOS?
 
2012-11-13 07:14:32 PM

Fo Shiz: cman: DjangoStonereaver: zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better

MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.

Personally I liked CP/M better than MSDOS, but MSDOS won out because of how much of an idiot Kildall was. Pretty much GNOME/XFCE/Uubuntu are acting like Gary Kildall

Really. What was it that you like about CP/M that was better than MSDOS?


I was being a smart ass

I wasnt even alive during the MSDOS/CP/M standardization war. I was born in 83.

/Although I did use CP/M on a Commodore 128. Good times.
 
2012-11-13 07:26:01 PM

cman: Fo Shiz: cman: DjangoStonereaver: zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better

MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.

Personally I liked CP/M better than MSDOS, but MSDOS won out because of how much of an idiot Kildall was. Pretty much GNOME/XFCE/Uubuntu are acting like Gary Kildall

Really. What was it that you like about CP/M that was better than MSDOS?

I was being a smart ass

I wasnt even alive during the MSDOS/CP/M standardization war. I was born in 83.

/Although I did use CP/M on a Commodore 128. Good times.


I have it on good authority that this guy wrote the code that just told you.
 
2012-11-13 07:28:18 PM

Richard Freckle: cman: Fo Shiz: cman: DjangoStonereaver: zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better

MATE is probably going to wither on the vine in favor of Cinnamon, also from the Linux Mint team. Basically, its
a fork of Gnome Shell/Gnome 3 that has the visual look of the older Gnome 2 environment.

Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.

Personally I liked CP/M better than MSDOS, but MSDOS won out because of how much of an idiot Kildall was. Pretty much GNOME/XFCE/Uubuntu are acting like Gary Kildall

Really. What was it that you like about CP/M that was better than MSDOS?

I was being a smart ass

I wasnt even alive during the MSDOS/CP/M standardization war. I was born in 83.

/Although I did use CP/M on a Commodore 128. Good times.

I have it on good authority that this guy wrote the code that just told you.


...?
 
2012-11-13 07:37:47 PM
I use blackbox with bbkeys and bbdock.

I like my window manager to just stay the fark out of my way. But, to be fair, my only client Linux machine is aimed strictly at maximizing my ability to dart around devices and servers on the network, so I basically just need a nice way to open lots of shells without having to switch between TTYs.
 
2012-11-13 07:41:48 PM
This sounds familiar...

...oh yeah, this was on Slashdot 10 farking days ago.
 
2012-11-13 07:51:22 PM

MrEricSir: This sounds familiar...

...oh yeah, this was on Slashdot 10 farking days ago.


News travels slow on fark
 
2012-11-13 07:55:40 PM
XFCE with conky for me. The more lightweight the better. I spend most of my time in browser or a terminal window, and I just want my UI to stay out of the way as best it can. KDE and GNOME are just too big, too clunky, and try to do too much.
 
2012-11-13 08:21:54 PM
I'm still not sure why so many people are mad that Gnome abandoned the Windows 95 UI. All those f*cking menus were terrible. It was pretty barren at 3.0, but Gnome 3 is running pretty nicely, especially if you use the easy to install and write extensions(seriously, it's JavaScript, not rocket science). I also used Gnome Do in Gnome 2.x, so it was a bit of an easier transition too. But I guess neckbeards hate change and want to hold on to their precious Windows 95 clone of a desktop.
 
2012-11-13 08:25:55 PM

DjangoStonereaver: Personally, I prefer XFCE, and don't understand why Linus switched back to KDE.


Because kernel hackers and developers have no skin in the long-term supportability of applications within an environment.

Because of short-sighted crap like this, application houses hate linux because of all the variants caused by someone making a selfish decision somewhere which causes all the install base to re-engineer their products. Do that enough times and they abandon the platform for the most part.

Linux on the desktop will hit the big leagues any day^H^H^Hyear^H^H^H^Hdecade now.
 
2012-11-13 08:26:07 PM

bsharitt: I'm still not sure why so many people are mad that Gnome abandoned the Windows 95 UI. All those f*cking menus were terrible. It was pretty barren at 3.0, but Gnome 3 is running pretty nicely, especially if you use the easy to install and write extensions(seriously, it's JavaScript, not rocket science). I also used Gnome Do in Gnome 2.x, so it was a bit of an easier transition too. But I guess neckbeards hate change and want to hold on to their precious Windows 95 clone of a desktop.


After playing around with Gnome shell I have to agree that it ain't that bad. At least it isn't Unity. Come on Ubuntu, I want to move the damn launcher to the bottom, you assholes
 
2012-11-13 08:29:57 PM
Slackware runs KDE by default these days. They don't even ship GNOME anymore.
 
2012-11-13 08:31:19 PM

cman: After playing around with Gnome shell I have to agree that it ain't that bad. At least it isn't Unity. Come on Ubuntu, I want to move the damn launcher to the bottom, you assholes


So let me get this straight -- your problem with Unity is that it isn't customizable enough, and your solution is to use Gnome 3? Which also doesn't let you move the dock?

Mmm hmm.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:46 PM
GNOME wanted to be Steve Jobs. They wanted to be so good they could ignore what users told them -- because they knew what users wanted better than the users did.

Unfortunately, they nailed the "ignoring criticism and condescending to users as if they were small children" aspect of Steve Jobs but fell short on the "perfectionist visionary genius" part that made him tolerable.
 
2012-11-13 08:34:40 PM
Can I have both? Why do I have to decide between having access to ALL of my programs in list form, and a quick-access Metro style interface?
 
2012-11-13 08:40:16 PM
Every UI animation is lame if it distracts me from what I am doing or it takes more than 0.1 seconds of my time. Wobbling windows are of the most annoying kind. But it's perfectly OK that Linus likes it because he's an asshole and it's better for the mankind if he spends more time doing nothing.
 
2012-11-13 08:42:28 PM

MrEricSir: cman: After playing around with Gnome shell I have to agree that it ain't that bad. At least it isn't Unity. Come on Ubuntu, I want to move the damn launcher to the bottom, you assholes

So let me get this straight -- your problem with Unity is that it isn't customizable enough, and your solution is to use Gnome 3? Which also doesn't let you move the dock?

Mmm hmm.


It's a matter of taste. Gnome 3 does it better than unity. Gnomes direction makes sense on a UI scale. Unity looks farking ugly with that bar on the side even with the auto hide feature on.
 
2012-11-13 08:45:13 PM
XFCE FOREVER! 
 
2012-11-13 08:46:34 PM

cman: It's a matter of taste. Gnome 3 does it better than unity. Gnomes direction makes sense on a UI scale. Unity looks farking ugly with that bar on the side even with the auto hide feature on.


So in other words, you just don't like it and your point about the launcher makes no sense.
 
2012-11-13 08:51:34 PM

MrEricSir: cman: It's a matter of taste. Gnome 3 does it better than unity. Gnomes direction makes sense on a UI scale. Unity looks farking ugly with that bar on the side even with the auto hide feature on.

So in other words, you just don't like it and your point about the launcher makes no sense.


HOW DARE YOU POINT HOW THAT I AM FULL OF shiat!
 
2012-11-13 08:53:00 PM
Lubuntu will rape any other 'buntu before they even boot up.
 
2012-11-13 08:53:57 PM

urger: XFCE FOREVER!


www.rachelcericola.com
 
2012-11-13 08:56:55 PM
bsharitt: I'm still not sure why so many people are mad that Gnome abandoned the Windows 95 UI. All those f*cking menus were terrible optional

Fixed.
 
2012-11-13 09:01:27 PM

zedster: Nadie_AZ: Wait, gnome is going away? I've been using gnome 2.x for many many years now. I switched from KDE 1.x, windowmaker and blackbox. Why? I dunno ...

Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.

Gnome 3 is bad, like Vista GUI bad. Unity UI, the Ubuntu addition to Gnome 3 is like attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people bad

Mate, a 3rd party fork of Gnome 2 is pretty good and getting better


Your comparison of Unity is unfairly harsh. Attending a Nickleback concert filled with incontinent people would not be nearly as bad as Unity.

/Switched to KDE.
//Realised that the laptop that I had commandeered from work was not underpowered after all.
 
2012-11-13 09:04:57 PM
I think reading this thread made me a virgin again.
 
2012-11-13 09:05:24 PM
Man, I miss Motif.
 
2012-11-13 09:08:13 PM
Linus changed his window manager?!

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-11-13 09:10:17 PM
Didn't know Linus was still alive. Glad he is still working to stay relevant.
 
2012-11-13 09:12:11 PM

AustinFakir: GNOME wanted to be Steve Jobs. They wanted to be so good they could ignore what users told them -- because they knew what users wanted better than the users did.

Unfortunately, they nailed the "ignoring criticism and condescending to users as if they were small children" aspect of Steve Jobs but fell short on the "perfectionist visionary genius" part that made him tolerable.


THIS.

/goes for pretty much any open source software package beginning with G, in fact
 
2012-11-13 09:12:28 PM

FlyPanAm: I think reading this thread made me a virgin again.


Yeah, I wonder why it took 28 posts for the RotN picture to show up.
 
2012-11-13 09:12:56 PM

I Like Bread: Can I have both? Why do I have to decide between having access to ALL of my programs in list form, and a quick-access Metro style interface?


I don't know that you do. In Ubuntu 12.04, you choose when you log in - unity desktop, classic desktop, or classic desktop with no effects (my preference).
 
2012-11-13 09:13:13 PM

Ed Grubermann: Man, I miss Motif.


wget http://www.ist-inc.com/downloads/motif_files/openmotif-2.1.32-2_IST.i5 86.deb;dpkg -i openmotif-2.1.32-2_IST.i586.deb

/you're welcome
 
2012-11-13 09:13:18 PM

aerojockey: AustinFakir: GNOME wanted to be Steve Jobs. They wanted to be so good they could ignore what users told them -- because they knew what users wanted better than the users did.

Unfortunately, they nailed the "ignoring criticism and condescending to users as if they were small children" aspect of Steve Jobs but fell short on the "perfectionist visionary genius" part that made him tolerable.

THIS.

/goes for pretty much any open source software package beginning with G, in fact


What's wrong with grep?
 
2012-11-13 09:25:44 PM
I refuse to follow effin' slashdot links from fark... but...

I thought Linux had switched the KDE a long time ago... (see the farking Idiot rant, which I totally agreed with) Maybe he switched back since then... anyways, glad he's not entrenched in any particular DE.

I love the current version of KDE, particular Kubuntu. It still has lots of features while Gnome and Unity are stripping thinks away. I still prefer it over Cinnamon.

Gnome (and Unity) has been dumbed down over the years, whether it's features of the desktop panels or options in the main "Print" dialog, in the name of simplifying things for the user. KDE, however, is actually much simpler and less foreign to most idiot users. We have, at work, deployed about 20 Ubuntu 12.04 machines running Unity on sales rep (idiot, basically) machines. They all hate it, and each for a different reason. One hates it because the bar is on the left. Another hates it because you can't minimize windows. Yet another hates it because there's no option for a taskbar with window names on the tasks - they explain it a bit more roughly - "Why can't it say 'Firefox' next to the Firefox button? I can't tell which thing is which!" They all hate it. Give me 10 minutes with a fresh Kubuntu install and I can set up a desktop that 90% of them will like. Give me 5 more minutes with each user - the user who wants labels on the taskbar, for example - and I would resolve any remaining complains. KDE is just simpler for the idiot user. Sure, you need an IT person to do some basic setup, but after that, let them at it and they're fine.
 
2012-11-13 09:27:55 PM

jonny_q: I thought Linux had switched the KDE a long time ago


www.billymeade.com
 
2012-11-13 09:32:38 PM
Is this the year of the Linux desktop?
 
2012-11-13 09:35:31 PM
In other news, Slashdot is still around.

You can do everything on zombocom.
 
2012-11-13 09:42:11 PM

Nadie_AZ:
Is KDE 4.x really that good? Or is gnome done? And don't get me started with that unity sh*t.


As far as I can tell gnome 3 is going through what kde 4.0 rewrite did. Everyone hated the initial kde 4.0. Now kde 4.x is mature.

Maybe gnome will be as lucky and in 2 years it will get better.

Otherwise XFCE or LXDE (or kde) are good enough replacements for gnome until it gets fixed.
 
2012-11-13 09:44:38 PM

jso2897: I Like Bread: Can I have both? Why do I have to decide between having access to ALL of my programs in list form, and a quick-access Metro style interface?

I don't know that you do. In Ubuntu 12.04, you choose when you log in - unity desktop, classic desktop, or classic desktop with no effects (my preference).


Well, that's exactly what I'm talking about. I can take the good and bad of menus (classic) or the good and bad of huge icons (Unity). Windows 7 desktop puts both at my fingertips.
 
2012-11-13 09:49:17 PM
KDE is awful.. MATE is great.. Cinnamon is almost there..
 
2012-11-13 10:01:51 PM
I hated Unity. I don't customize a lot of stuff, but I do just a bit for my personal preferences, and I prefer it to be easy.. Unity took that away. I'm currently using Linux Mint with MATE. I have yet to try Cinnamon. Once the final release of the next Linux Mint is released, I might decided to download the Cinnamon. I've never really tried KDE.
 
2012-11-13 10:06:40 PM

47 is the new 42: I hated Unity. I don't customize a lot of stuff, but I do just a bit for my personal preferences, and I prefer it to be easy.. Unity took that away. I'm currently using Linux Mint with MATE. I have yet to try Cinnamon. Once the final release of the next Linux Mint is released, I might decided to download the Cinnamon. I've never really tried KDE.


KDE is pretty much like Windows 98 in many aspects (UI related) The KDE menu is a lot like the Vista start menu, although you can choose a Windows 95 look if you wish.
 
2012-11-13 10:14:13 PM

47 is the new 42: I hated Unity. I don't customize a lot of stuff, but I do just a bit for my personal preferences, and I prefer it to be easy.. Unity took that away. I'm currently using Linux Mint with MATE. I have yet to try Cinnamon. Once the final release of the next Linux Mint is released, I might decided to download the Cinnamon. I've never really tried KDE.


Unity isn't bad once you give it a shot but it's still just not how I want to work.. You should really try Linux Mint Debian Edition.. It feels great to rid yourself of Ubuntus bloat and buggy crap.. They have a lot of great ideas but their execution sucks..

Canonical reminds me of Samsung.. They take a great solid stable base (debian testing) and add in all their bullshiat to make it pretty and `unique' (touchwiz). In turn making it bloated and buggy. Ubuntu..
 
2012-11-13 10:15:38 PM
debian test=Android..

/you know what I was getting at. :)
 
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