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2012-11-13 06:20:35 PM  
8 votes:

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.


Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones.
2012-11-13 04:17:04 PM  
7 votes:
State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.


Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.
2012-11-13 06:19:21 PM  
6 votes:
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
We can't be paying Big Guvermint all that tax money to sit around and do nothing all day long!
We can't approve a bill that would fix the problem, because that would mean "cooperating" with them damn liberals!

You ever hear the phrase "As ye sow, so shall ye reap"? Well THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS.
2012-11-13 05:21:35 PM  
6 votes:
Good job morons. This is what you get when you elect Republicans.
2012-11-13 06:31:06 PM  
3 votes:
But don't you dare suggest that staunch conservatives aren't very bright people who are incapable of thinking through the obvious consequences of their actions.... that wouldn't be nice at all.
2012-11-13 06:24:48 PM  
3 votes:
Victims of stupidity, I'd say...

FTA: 'Director LaSharn Hughes says she sent 41,000 letters of notification out on a recent Thursday. "And by Monday, we'd burned up a fax machine," Hughes said. "We didn't have the staff. We didn't have the equipment."'

Seriously, it's almost 2013 now and you are still sending out 41,000 faxes over a weekend? Even if that's the only way you have to communicate to someone without email (who the hell this is, I'd like to know)... you sent them out via a fax machine, and didn't just use a modem or an online email to fax service?

Here's some advice... fire Director LaSharn Hughes. Clearly this job is too hard for her and clearly she's undeserving for whatever pay you are giving her.
2012-11-13 04:31:51 PM  
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nice work, f*ckwits

/guess you showed them illegals who's boss


FTA:
But that's where the vetting ends, confirms Kelly Farr and Lisa Durden of the secretary of state's office. The law says nothing about making sure the documents are genuine. "We really don't have a way to do that," says Durden.

State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Instead, officials say they hope the process itself may discourage people in the country illegally from trying to get licenses in the first place.


My god. It's full of assholes.
2012-11-13 04:26:34 PM  
3 votes:
Nice work, f*ckwits

/guess you showed them illegals who's boss
2012-11-13 08:01:59 PM  
2 votes:
5-1 this was an ALEC bill. Anything really, REALLY stupid that passes at the state level is usually from ALEC.
2012-11-13 06:49:39 PM  
2 votes:

FormlessOne: Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.

Man, I can't wait to hear the screaming. If Georgia lets them work without being legally licensed to do so, insurers will reject any and all billing from them because of liability concerns. If Georgia refuses to let them work because they're not legally licensed, their healthcare system is going to suffer large for it.

Short-sighted, hot-button legislation meant to pander to voters is not how you govern, Georgia. Especially when you couple it with severe budget cuts to state governmental staff already working with antiquated processes.

Heckuva job, Georgia.


Bingo. This is the same "Gotta do something! NOW!!" thinking that drives so much governmental thinking. It got us California's three-strikes laws: "We need to rein in all these repeat felons--let's give all three-time losers 25-to-life across the board!" "But that might not always be necessary--" "THERE'S NO TIME! FIX IT NOW!!"

Same thing here. "Too many undocumented immigrants! Make everyone prove their citizenship across the board!!" "But not everyone needs to do that---" "THERE'S NO TIME! FIX IT NOW!!" Sometimes, you need to take the time to a) see if there's really a problem that needs fixing, and b) see if the "fix" is really going to solve the problem. But legislators like to jump straight from We think there's a problem to FIX IT NOW! without going through all those pesky steps in between.
2012-11-13 06:43:57 PM  
2 votes:
"I am not only outraged, but sincerely disappointed and puzzled that our repair legislation was not allowed a vote," King says.

Riiiggghhhttt.
Karma is a biatch.



For now, state licensing offices will keep plowing through the mail containing copies of passports and birth certificates, then checking them against a list of acceptable documents.

But that's where the vetting ends, confirms Kelly Farr and Lisa Durden of the secretary of state's office. The law says nothing about making sure the documents are genuine. "We really don't have a way to do that," says Durden.


All you dumbfarks on Fark that support these immigration laws, heed that warning well: Birth certificates, passports, and other "citizenship documents" are damn near impossible for more private entities and state agencies to verify. There is no uniform layout or design, and there is no central issuing authority.

In short it is almost impossible for any natural born American (you conservative dipshiat bumblefarks included) to "prove" their citizenship. This could include you one day.
2012-11-13 06:40:03 PM  
2 votes:
Republicans, claiming that government is inept and then proving themselves right.
2012-11-13 06:35:24 PM  
2 votes:

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


And we do.

What we're pointing at and laughing over is not regulation itself, it's increasing the burden of enforcing regulations and decreasing the throughput of the regulatory agency at the same time. In addition, the added regulation isn't providing any added benefit - ie. worrying about nationality in licensing medical professions.

But we get you can't deal with more than one idea at a time. Complex thought like effectiveness of a given regulation is lost on you.
2012-11-13 06:34:39 PM  
2 votes:
Step 1) Require medical professionals to submit asinine and burdensome paperwork to get re-licensed under the guise of protecting the state from illegal immigrant doctors and nurses (as there are so many of those).

Step 2) Lay off the people who actually process the asinine and burdensome paperwork (because people who work for the state are part of the 47% that isn't deserving of governmental representation and pubic sector unions are evil, etc., etc.).

Step 3) ????

Step 4) Profit.
2012-11-13 06:33:50 PM  
2 votes:

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.


Man, I can't wait to hear the screaming. If Georgia lets them work without being legally licensed to do so, insurers will reject any and all billing from them because of liability concerns. If Georgia refuses to let them work because they're not legally licensed, their healthcare system is going to suffer large for it.

Short-sighted, hot-button legislation meant to pander to voters is not how you govern, Georgia. Especially when you couple it with severe budget cuts to state governmental staff already working with antiquated processes.

Heckuva job, Georgia.
2012-11-13 06:32:12 PM  
2 votes:
Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences at work.
2012-11-13 06:30:47 PM  
2 votes:

Dinjiin: The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.


UPDATE:

Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones, and if they really did exist, they wouldn't be fixed anyway.
2012-11-13 06:22:03 PM  
2 votes:
Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist. Guess their mommas never told them that cutting off their nose to spite their face does no one any good.
2012-11-13 04:59:53 PM  
2 votes:
Is this where we point and laugh?
2012-11-13 04:53:48 PM  
2 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Georgia is getting what they asked for

Millions of peaches?

Peaches for free?


Peaches en regalia?
2012-11-13 04:24:28 PM  
2 votes:
Enactment of the law coincided with budget cuts that reduced the office staff by 40 percent.

So .... maybe states can't do it better than the Federal Government? Can you imagine their implementation of Romneycare?
2012-11-14 04:26:44 AM  
1 votes:
The Georgia racist trashbags ARE getting what they want: the departure of all doctors and nurses (no matter how skilled) who have funny-sounding names, so that their places can EVENTUALLY be filled by little Johnny Whitebread and his sister Suzie.
2012-11-14 12:50:48 AM  
1 votes:

Beowoolfie: relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.

I just reviewed the entire thread and not one person, other than you, has brought that up in any way.

It might be time to have your meds adjusted. Or look into getting some. You may be seeing things that aren't there.


your reading comprehension really really sucks.
2012-11-14 12:49:38 AM  
1 votes:

Lunaville: relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.

Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."

This man knows that my own family includes an internationally adopted child. He knows that many of the very people he was ranting about are our friends. We still visit them. The kids still go to each others' birthday parties.

Yes, he's "working class", if you overlook the fact that he hasn't worked in over 20 years. He was fired and per long-time neighbors that have known him longer than I have, he never looked for another job. He immediately assumed the mantle of the ultimate victim. He can't find a job because women work for less pay, affirmative action gives jobs to blacks, and now because of Hispanics.

He doesn't care about the working class and neither do you. All either of you care about is feeling sorry for yourselves, hating, and scapegoating others.


Lunaville: relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.

Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."


you don't know me at all kid.
I've never once said an unkind word about illegal immigrants. never. not in my entire f*cking life. I live in a state filled with these people, and
most of them are much harder working and much kinder and obviously more intelligent than you'll ever be.
the only remedy I've ever proscribed for their removal is to jail their employers (not them) who induce them to come here so they don't have to pay living wage to americans and whose unnaturally low wages then force externalities on the rest of society in the form of subsidies for their families and the subsidies of the working class they displace. I'm simply telling the truth, that increasing supply with cheaper substitute labor reduces the demand that everyone else can charge for their labor in this country, and this is a huge reason why the median wage for males has decreased insignificantly for males in this country since 1965 when immigration was significantly liberalized.
you call me a hate filled scapegoating bigot just like your friend for simply daring to tell the truth about decreasing wages and labor supply in the united states. go f*ck yourself you piece of garbage.
2012-11-14 12:32:08 AM  
1 votes:

jbezorg: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

So.... You're okay with socialized medicine then?


single payer universal, I'm the biggest proponent on fark.
socialized medicine, no thanks.
why do you ask?
2012-11-13 10:18:53 PM  
1 votes:

relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.


Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."

This man knows that my own family includes an internationally adopted child. He knows that many of the very people he was ranting about are our friends. We still visit them. The kids still go to each others' birthday parties.

Yes, he's "working class", if you overlook the fact that he hasn't worked in over 20 years. He was fired and per long-time neighbors that have known him longer than I have, he never looked for another job. He immediately assumed the mantle of the ultimate victim. He can't find a job because women work for less pay, affirmative action gives jobs to blacks, and now because of Hispanics.

He doesn't care about the working class and neither do you. All either of you care about is feeling sorry for yourselves, hating, and scapegoating others.
2012-11-13 08:22:26 PM  
1 votes:

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


This is the classic textbook case of pointless overregulation. Brought to you by rightwing derp.
2012-11-13 08:05:25 PM  
1 votes:
FTR-It is not just the nurses and doctors affected by the law. ANY government service provided has to be submitted with the Affadavit and a copies of citizenship (Certified Birth Certificates with seal, Passports, etc). All the departments have had staffing cuts and no raises since 2008. It's a farking hell hole to work in.
2012-11-13 08:04:54 PM  
1 votes:
Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist.
The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
this is what you get when you pass laws based on gut reaction, emotions. and racial hatred.
2012-11-13 08:01:06 PM  
1 votes:
I'll admit cutting the staff by 40% and even implementing this with healthcare professionals at all at this point were two impressively and sadly very unsurprisingly stupid decisions by Georgia republicans. notwithstanding, slowing both legal and illegal immigration is the only reasonable response to an over stuffed labor market however.


open immigration can't coexist with a strong social safety net; if you're going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can't make that offer global.
-mr. krugman
2012-11-13 07:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

Kanemano: They don't just look over a birth certificate.

Upon further review Georgia is just passing on the work to the Feds via E-verify and then post your # to a website. The information is grabbed from the I-9 forms, problem is most Docs and self employed and probably never filled out a I-9, plus from their own reporting E-verify rate of error is around 8%

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E-verify


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2012-11-13 07:50:22 PM  
1 votes:

OpusSoup: relcec: ...
not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.

Actually, your use of the word "racist" would be the first in the thread.


well you people don't want to come right out and say the only possible use of immigration control by a white person is to further your racist designs. but forgive me for taking the liberty of saying what you people actually think.


Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist.
The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
2012-11-13 07:43:53 PM  
1 votes:

relcec: Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.



well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.


They don't just look over a birth certificate.

Upon further review Georgia is just passing on the work to the Feds via E-verify and then post your # to a website. The information is grabbed from the I-9 forms, problem is most Docs and self employed and probably never filled out a I-9, plus from their own reporting E-verify rate of error is around 8%

Text
E-verify
2012-11-13 07:35:45 PM  
1 votes:

twat_waffle: but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.

You don't actually know what neoliberalism is, do you?

I'll give you a hint: It has nothing to do with political liberalism except that liberals are usually opposed to it.




you don't actually know what neoliberalism is, do you?
otherwise you wouldn't be trying to argue that NPR doesn't in fact champion free trade, free movement of capital, and free movement of labor, the holy f*cking trinity of neoliberalism.

I'll give you hint since you seem like you have been encased in teflon for the past 40 years and unable to receive media of any kind, liberals are at least half the reason neoliberalism is the political orthodoxy of the entire united states political establishment.
2012-11-13 07:26:58 PM  
1 votes:

ClavellBCMI: Ahh, the GOP, operating under the principle "If it ain't broke, something is obviously broken, so we better fix it, so we can point at it and say we fixed an obviously broken thing!



can I just say something? and please know this isn't directed at you personally.

the thing that really disturbs me about people like you is one minute you will be quite sensibly wailing about the plight of the common man and working class and the 1%er fat cats that are paying less and less in wages every single year and the fact that unemployment is still hovering around 8%,
and then almost the very next minute (if the threads align properly) you'll be screaming if it ain't broke don't fix it with regards to encouraging a couple million foreign workers, that come from almost excursively from 3rd world nations, that are therefore willing to work for shiat wages, that come here in those massive numbers every single year and compete for jobs with already underemployed and underpaid American citizens, almost 45% of which who receive state subsidies for this deficiency caused by an overstuffed labor market.
Yet you seemingly suffer from no cognitive dissonance at all.

I mean, you seem like you have absolutely no idea you are working at diametrically opposed purposes here with your positions.
it's as if you are unaware the labor market is an actual market where the laws of supply and demand govern as surely as they do on the price of a commodity like eggs.

and then I realize you don't have nay idea they are related, and at the same time YOU actually think you are a bastion of enlightenment and truth in this nation, and this scares the f*ck out of me.

and then I realize that as deficient as you are, that you in fact are relatively educated and well read compared to your mouth breathing brethren, and that you vote, and then I just want to crawl up into a ball and weep over the state of ignorance among the class of people that participate in politics.


www.socialsecurity.gov

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2012-11-13 07:26:58 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, I recall media reports a few years back claiming that Georgia had a widespread problem with crops being left to rot in fields after a crackdown on illegal immigrants and that farmers were in a panic.

I'm guessing this is the same sort of "crisis" -- one that Farkers, Redditors, et cetera can celebrate while Georgians remain unaware that they're supposed to be panicking.
2012-11-13 07:23:38 PM  
1 votes:
Even D.A. King, an outspoken activist and critic of illegal immigration who helped write the law, agrees. King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. A bill that addressed some of the law's shortcomings died in the last legislative session.

D.A.=Dumb Ass
The worst kind of politician is one like this who panders to the fears of the ignorant and bigoted. They cannot bring anything useful to the table, so they appeal to the reptilian brain of the yokels to get their support.

These are the wastes of oxygen that hold back civilization because they are too lazy or just plain greedy to do anything useful..always "short term" thinking, damn the consequences.
2012-11-13 07:20:52 PM  
1 votes:

relcec: Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.



well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.


Does the professional self certify? or do you check each birth certificate, naturalization certificate, and Passport for validity otherwise it's a useless exercise, not to mention the fact that you are now dealing with state and county records which are both small and inefficient also the state department plus Immigration are both not know for speed.
2012-11-13 07:18:56 PM  
1 votes:

PawisBetlog: Follow up story tomorrow: ## patients die in Georgia Emergency units due to lack of Drs.


Follow up story Thursday: Obamacare death panels kill ## patients in Georgia ER units.
2012-11-13 07:11:33 PM  
1 votes:
Step 1 - Cut staff in departments by 40%
Step 2 - Quadruple their workload
Step 3 - Blame ineffective government agency for failing to enforce poorly designed law

What this really looks like is a move by Georgia against two distinct groups of people whose beliefs are counter to the GOP belief system, government workers and medical workers. Those who embrace medicine embrace Science, which is everything the GOP is now against. Of course government workers are and always will be people of terrible character, freeloaders and incompetents the lot of them.

A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.
2012-11-13 07:09:25 PM  
1 votes:

relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.


Not quite. People are saying that small mindedness and xenophobia (yes, with an "x") motivated those in state government (and their mostly right-wing citizen support base) to draft and pass a set of laws that were unnecessary, unfunded, and essentially unenforceable.

This is what happens when you institutionalize scapegoating in the thinly-veiled guise of "addressing" a real problem. This is what happens when you let spite dictate policy. You should take close note of the results.

By the way, all of this recent hoopla over voter ID and ID verification for immigrants should look REAL interesting next time the topic of a national ID card comes up. Right wingers threw a conniption fit the last time it was suggested that perhaps they should carry identification standardized at the national level.

"For thee but not for me", one of their favorite refrains...
2012-11-13 07:07:10 PM  
1 votes:
This makes sense. Because if there's one thing that menaces American society, it's illegal immigrants taking our professional jobs.
2012-11-13 06:58:54 PM  
1 votes:

Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.




well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.
2012-11-13 06:57:28 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded Palin-American laws.


Just striving for accuracy...
2012-11-13 06:42:13 PM  
1 votes:
Here in Canada the government encourages medical professionals to immigrate, but then won't recognize their credentials. The quickie mart across the street from my old office was run by a pharmacist from Iran. Doctors are driving cabs but you can't find a GP to save your life. I had an apprentice technician working with me who had a masters degree in electrical engineering. The stupid is everywhere, not just the pork rind states.
2012-11-13 06:41:46 PM  
1 votes:
FTA:

Even D.A. King, an outspoken activist and critic of illegal immigration who helped write the law, agrees. King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. A bill that addressed some of the law's shortcomings died in the last legislative session.

"I am not only outraged, but sincerely disappointed and puzzled that our repair legislation was not allowed a vote," King says.


"I did a terrible job and I'm OUTRAGED! Someone must pay!"
2012-11-13 06:41:26 PM  
1 votes:

JonBuck: Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences at work.


It's one thing to say a consequence is unintended. But many of these "unintended" consequences are very predictable to anyone with a small measure of common sense. I'ts like they're not even asking what the consequences will be.
2012-11-13 06:40:43 PM  
1 votes:

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.


Later in the article...: "King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. " It "protects Georgia jobs" by making 1300 healthcare professionals unable to work? Yeah, some parts need fixing, supergenius!
2012-11-13 06:39:42 PM  
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entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages




weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.
2012-11-13 06:38:02 PM  
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Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.


not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.
2012-11-13 06:36:28 PM  
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Gyrfalcon: We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!


you can't actually give a shiat about the working class while making fun of them when they rightfully complain about the biggest thing that is driving down their wages and keeping them out of work. how hard is this for you to wrap your head around?
but you don't actually want solutions to problems, why the f*ck would they vote with your team if you actually fixed something?



The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers
United States Commission on Civil Rights

The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is pleased to transmit this report, The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers. A panel of experts briefed members of the Commission on April 4, 2008 regarding the evidence for economic loss and job opportunity costs to black workers attributable to illegal immigration. The panelists also described non-economic factors contributing to the depression of black wages and employment rates. Based on that discussion, the Commission developed the findings and recommendation that are included in this report.

Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction.

The Commission views this topic as complex, and therefore makes no specific recommendations at this time. The Commission recommends generally, however, that the Bureau of Labor Statistics and other appropriate governmental agencies collect data concerning the presence of illegal workers in the U.S. workforce and on the employment and wage rate effects of such workers on low-skilled and low-wage workers of all races. The Commission believes that such data should be made available to the public.

http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12im2010.pdf
2012-11-13 06:33:03 PM  
1 votes:

Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.


How the HELL is it a good idea? From the article: "Donald Palmisano Jr. executive director of the Medical Association of Georgia, says the law fixes a problem that never existed - at least not among doctors. "We're not aware of any undocumented immigrants that are physicians," Palmisano said."

A problem that NEVER existed among doctors...so let's fark things up to the point where doctors lose their licenses?
2012-11-13 06:32:31 PM  
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DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


Skipped right over the article did we?
2012-11-13 06:27:57 PM  
1 votes:
Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages

Last I heard they wanted to use prison labor
2012-11-13 06:27:35 PM  
1 votes:
Whar is birf certificate? Whar?
2012-11-13 06:27:11 PM  
1 votes:
Please let it be secession. Please let it be secession.

/dnrfa
2012-11-13 06:26:58 PM  
1 votes:
The bureaucracy of a Republican derp law is collapsing an industry? Say it ain't so!

/DEY TURK ER JERBS!
2012-11-13 06:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.
2012-11-13 06:24:18 PM  
1 votes:
No rush.

upload.wikimedia.org

I got time to burn.
2012-11-13 06:19:17 PM  
1 votes:
Lemme guess: retarded conservative Republicans are behind this?
2012-11-13 06:19:17 PM  
1 votes:
Follow up story tomorrow: ## patients die in Georgia Emergency units due to lack of Drs.

Stay classy Georgia.
2012-11-13 06:18:39 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure the residents of Georgia all feel safer now
2012-11-13 06:18:29 PM  
1 votes:

jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......


They are going to be a purple state in 4 years. But outside of that not much reason.
2012-11-13 06:18:07 PM  
1 votes:
The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.
2012-11-13 05:07:57 PM  
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I_Am_Weasel: Is this where we point and laugh?


As a citizen of Georgia I say you may feel free to do so.
2012-11-13 04:46:59 PM  
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Georgia is getting what they asked for

Millions of peaches?

Peaches for free?
2012-11-13 04:25:21 PM  
1 votes:
So when do people begin to want to string up Kris Kobach and company?
 
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