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2012-11-13 04:17:04 PM
State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.


Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.
 
2012-11-13 04:24:28 PM
Enactment of the law coincided with budget cuts that reduced the office staff by 40 percent.

So .... maybe states can't do it better than the Federal Government? Can you imagine their implementation of Romneycare?
 
2012-11-13 04:25:21 PM
So when do people begin to want to string up Kris Kobach and company?
 
2012-11-13 04:26:34 PM
Nice work, f*ckwits

/guess you showed them illegals who's boss
 
2012-11-13 04:31:51 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Nice work, f*ckwits

/guess you showed them illegals who's boss


FTA:
But that's where the vetting ends, confirms Kelly Farr and Lisa Durden of the secretary of state's office. The law says nothing about making sure the documents are genuine. "We really don't have a way to do that," says Durden.

State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Instead, officials say they hope the process itself may discourage people in the country illegally from trying to get licenses in the first place.


My god. It's full of assholes.
 
2012-11-13 04:36:06 PM
Cue sad trombone.
 
2012-11-13 04:46:59 PM
Georgia is getting what they asked for

Millions of peaches?

Peaches for free?
 
2012-11-13 04:53:48 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Georgia is getting what they asked for

Millions of peaches?

Peaches for free?


Peaches en regalia?
 
2012-11-13 04:54:20 PM
The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.
 
2012-11-13 04:59:53 PM
Is this where we point and laugh?
 
2012-11-13 05:03:08 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.


Provided that it's not the night that the lights went out in Georgia.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: Peaches en regalia?


LOOK OUT!

Specifically, for a Frank Frazetta of Frank Zappa.
 
2012-11-13 05:07:57 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Is this where we point and laugh?


As a citizen of Georgia I say you may feel free to do so.
 
2012-11-13 05:21:35 PM
Good job morons. This is what you get when you elect Republicans.
 
2012-11-13 05:41:48 PM
On a positive note, it will now be harder for rape victims to get treatment.
 
2012-11-13 06:16:16 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: On a positive note, it will now be harder for rape victims to get treatment.


They only need treatment if it's not legitimate rape.
 
2012-11-13 06:16:20 PM
*slow clap*
 
2012-11-13 06:16:58 PM
And the argument against them seceding is......
 
2012-11-13 06:18:07 PM
The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.
 
2012-11-13 06:18:29 PM

jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......


They are going to be a purple state in 4 years. But outside of that not much reason.
 
2012-11-13 06:18:39 PM
I'm sure the residents of Georgia all feel safer now
 
2012-11-13 06:19:17 PM
Follow up story tomorrow: ## patients die in Georgia Emergency units due to lack of Drs.

Stay classy Georgia.
 
2012-11-13 06:19:17 PM
Lemme guess: retarded conservative Republicans are behind this?
 
2012-11-13 06:19:21 PM
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
We can't be paying Big Guvermint all that tax money to sit around and do nothing all day long!
We can't approve a bill that would fix the problem, because that would mean "cooperating" with them damn liberals!

You ever hear the phrase "As ye sow, so shall ye reap"? Well THIS IS WHAT IT MEANS.
 
2012-11-13 06:20:14 PM
I let my professional Ga. license lapse. Not for this reason, but because I do something else that makes more money in an unrelated field. If I had to renew, it would have been a pain in the ass which might have caused me to question renewing.
 
2012-11-13 06:20:35 PM

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.


Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones.
 
2012-11-13 06:21:17 PM

ComicBookGuy: Lemme guess: retarded conservative Republicans are behind this?


Nope. Obama's fault.

Everything bad is Obama's fault.

Did you not get the memo?
 
2012-11-13 06:22:03 PM
Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist. Guess their mommas never told them that cutting off their nose to spite their face does no one any good.
 
2012-11-13 06:22:05 PM
If only that brown nurse hadn't tried treating a rash with taco sauce...
 
2012-11-13 06:22:21 PM
But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)
 
2012-11-13 06:23:09 PM
Well that's one way to much up Fartbongocare
 
2012-11-13 06:23:21 PM

eagles95: jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......

They are going to be a purple state in 4 years. But outside of that not much reason.


MITT ROMNEY (R) 53.32% 2,076,153
BARACK OBAMA (I)D 5.52% 1,772,455
GARY JOHNSON (L) 1.16% 45,276
total 3,893,884 

not an impossible statement.
 
2012-11-13 06:23:44 PM
*muck* muck it up. Goddamned head cold
 
2012-11-13 06:23:53 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: On a positive note, it will now be harder for rape victims to get treatment.


That's offset from fewer forced transvaginal ultrasounds though...
 
2012-11-13 06:24:18 PM
No rush.

upload.wikimedia.org

I got time to burn.
 
2012-11-13 06:24:32 PM
oh I cut off the 4 in 45.52% - srry
 
2012-11-13 06:24:33 PM
BRAIN DRAIN! MUHAHAHAHAHA
 
2012-11-13 06:24:48 PM
Victims of stupidity, I'd say...

FTA: 'Director LaSharn Hughes says she sent 41,000 letters of notification out on a recent Thursday. "And by Monday, we'd burned up a fax machine," Hughes said. "We didn't have the staff. We didn't have the equipment."'

Seriously, it's almost 2013 now and you are still sending out 41,000 faxes over a weekend? Even if that's the only way you have to communicate to someone without email (who the hell this is, I'd like to know)... you sent them out via a fax machine, and didn't just use a modem or an online email to fax service?

Here's some advice... fire Director LaSharn Hughes. Clearly this job is too hard for her and clearly she's undeserving for whatever pay you are giving her.
 
2012-11-13 06:25:57 PM

relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.
 
2012-11-13 06:26:58 PM
The bureaucracy of a Republican derp law is collapsing an industry? Say it ain't so!

/DEY TURK ER JERBS!
 
2012-11-13 06:27:11 PM
Please let it be secession. Please let it be secession.

/dnrfa
 
2012-11-13 06:27:35 PM
Whar is birf certificate? Whar?
 
2012-11-13 06:27:57 PM
Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages

Last I heard they wanted to use prison labor
 
2012-11-13 06:28:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Enactment of the law coincided with budget cuts that reduced the office staff by 40 percent.

So .... maybe states can't do it better than the Federal Government? Can you imagine their implementation of Romneycare?


Um...

Wat?
 
2012-11-13 06:30:47 PM

Dinjiin: The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.


UPDATE:

Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones, and if they really did exist, they wouldn't be fixed anyway.
 
2012-11-13 06:31:06 PM
But don't you dare suggest that staunch conservatives aren't very bright people who are incapable of thinking through the obvious consequences of their actions.... that wouldn't be nice at all.
 
2012-11-13 06:31:10 PM
I was hoping the story was about allowing them to secede from the union.
 
2012-11-13 06:32:12 PM
Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences at work.
 
2012-11-13 06:32:31 PM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


Skipped right over the article did we?
 
2012-11-13 06:32:52 PM

Nadie_AZ: Enactment of the law coincided with budget cuts that reduced the office staff by 40 percent.

So .... maybe states can't do it better than the Federal Government? Can you imagine their implementation of Romneycare?


Something of an artificial restriction. States can't run deficits.
 
2012-11-13 06:33:03 PM

Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.


How the HELL is it a good idea? From the article: "Donald Palmisano Jr. executive director of the Medical Association of Georgia, says the law fixes a problem that never existed - at least not among doctors. "We're not aware of any undocumented immigrants that are physicians," Palmisano said."

A problem that NEVER existed among doctors...so let's fark things up to the point where doctors lose their licenses?
 
2012-11-13 06:33:50 PM

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.


Man, I can't wait to hear the screaming. If Georgia lets them work without being legally licensed to do so, insurers will reject any and all billing from them because of liability concerns. If Georgia refuses to let them work because they're not legally licensed, their healthcare system is going to suffer large for it.

Short-sighted, hot-button legislation meant to pander to voters is not how you govern, Georgia. Especially when you couple it with severe budget cuts to state governmental staff already working with antiquated processes.

Heckuva job, Georgia.
 
2012-11-13 06:33:50 PM

rev. dave: eagles95: jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......

They are going to be a purple state in 4 years. But outside of that not much reason.

MITT ROMNEY (R) 53.32% 2,076,153
BARACK OBAMA (I)D 5.52% 1,772,455
GARY JOHNSON (L) 1.16% 45,276
total 3,893,884 

not an impossible statement.


I noticed this too. Even Texas and Louisiana hung around the 55/45 split, while Oklahoma, Utah, and Idaho were closer to 65/35.
 
2012-11-13 06:34:39 PM
Step 1) Require medical professionals to submit asinine and burdensome paperwork to get re-licensed under the guise of protecting the state from illegal immigrant doctors and nurses (as there are so many of those).

Step 2) Lay off the people who actually process the asinine and burdensome paperwork (because people who work for the state are part of the 47% that isn't deserving of governmental representation and pubic sector unions are evil, etc., etc.).

Step 3) ????

Step 4) Profit.
 
2012-11-13 06:35:24 PM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


And we do.

What we're pointing at and laughing over is not regulation itself, it's increasing the burden of enforcing regulations and decreasing the throughput of the regulatory agency at the same time. In addition, the added regulation isn't providing any added benefit - ie. worrying about nationality in licensing medical professions.

But we get you can't deal with more than one idea at a time. Complex thought like effectiveness of a given regulation is lost on you.
 
2012-11-13 06:35:40 PM
Ok...this is definitely better than the stories about farming and other manual labor troubles when all the hispanics up and left the state when the arizona-type laws were in the process of passing
 
2012-11-13 06:36:28 PM

Gyrfalcon: We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!


you can't actually give a shiat about the working class while making fun of them when they rightfully complain about the biggest thing that is driving down their wages and keeping them out of work. how hard is this for you to wrap your head around?
but you don't actually want solutions to problems, why the f*ck would they vote with your team if you actually fixed something?



The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers
United States Commission on Civil Rights

The United States Commission on Civil Rights (Commission) is pleased to transmit this report, The Impact of Illegal Immigration on the Wages and Employment Opportunities of Black Workers. A panel of experts briefed members of the Commission on April 4, 2008 regarding the evidence for economic loss and job opportunity costs to black workers attributable to illegal immigration. The panelists also described non-economic factors contributing to the depression of black wages and employment rates. Based on that discussion, the Commission developed the findings and recommendation that are included in this report.

Among its findings, the Commission notes that the illegal workers are estimated to account for as much as one-third of total immigrants in the United States, and that illegal immigration has tended to increase the supply of low-skilled, low-wage labor available. The Commission found also that about six in 10 adult black males have a high school diploma or less, and are disproportionately employed in the low-skilled labor market in likely competition with immigrants. Evidence for negative effects of such competition ranged from modest to significant, according to the experts who testified, but even those experts who viewed the effects as modest overall found significant effects in occupations such as meatpacking and construction.

The Commission views this topic as complex, and therefore makes no specific recommendations at this time. The Commission recommends generally, however, that the Bureau of Labor Statistics and other appropriate governmental agencies collect data concerning the presence of illegal workers in the U.S. workforce and on the employment and wage rate effects of such workers on low-skilled and low-wage workers of all races. The Commission believes that such data should be made available to the public.

http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/cr12im2010.pdf
 
2012-11-13 06:38:02 PM

Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.


not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.
 
2012-11-13 06:39:42 PM

entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages




weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.
 
2012-11-13 06:40:03 PM
Republicans, claiming that government is inept and then proving themselves right.
 
2012-11-13 06:40:09 PM
So immediate amnesty for all illega... erm undocumented democrats in Georgia?
 
2012-11-13 06:40:22 PM
All that matters is that we codify our ideology. That whole governing part will work itself out.
 
2012-11-13 06:40:43 PM

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.


Later in the article...: "King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. " It "protects Georgia jobs" by making 1300 healthcare professionals unable to work? Yeah, some parts need fixing, supergenius!
 
2012-11-13 06:41:26 PM

JonBuck: Ah, the Law of Unintended Consequences at work.


It's one thing to say a consequence is unintended. But many of these "unintended" consequences are very predictable to anyone with a small measure of common sense. I'ts like they're not even asking what the consequences will be.
 
2012-11-13 06:41:26 PM
There's two problems here, one is the law which is garbage from the word go. The second issue, and this is something persistent that has an impact on a lot more than just here and that's the lack of modernization with record keeping. There should be no paperwork backup because there shouldn't be any paperwork. the amount of effort required to process things should in the year 2012 be a lot less than is the case. Course the same people who go hankering for laws like the one in question are the same ones who get all worked up over spending money to modernize things even though it benefits them in many ways.
 
2012-11-13 06:41:46 PM
FTA:

Even D.A. King, an outspoken activist and critic of illegal immigration who helped write the law, agrees. King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. A bill that addressed some of the law's shortcomings died in the last legislative session.

"I am not only outraged, but sincerely disappointed and puzzled that our repair legislation was not allowed a vote," King says.


"I did a terrible job and I'm OUTRAGED! Someone must pay!"
 
2012-11-13 06:42:13 PM
Here in Canada the government encourages medical professionals to immigrate, but then won't recognize their credentials. The quickie mart across the street from my old office was run by a pharmacist from Iran. Doctors are driving cabs but you can't find a GP to save your life. I had an apprentice technician working with me who had a masters degree in electrical engineering. The stupid is everywhere, not just the pork rind states.
 
2012-11-13 06:42:34 PM

relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.
 
2012-11-13 06:43:57 PM
"I am not only outraged, but sincerely disappointed and puzzled that our repair legislation was not allowed a vote," King says.

Riiiggghhhttt.
Karma is a biatch.



For now, state licensing offices will keep plowing through the mail containing copies of passports and birth certificates, then checking them against a list of acceptable documents.

But that's where the vetting ends, confirms Kelly Farr and Lisa Durden of the secretary of state's office. The law says nothing about making sure the documents are genuine. "We really don't have a way to do that," says Durden.


All you dumbfarks on Fark that support these immigration laws, heed that warning well: Birth certificates, passports, and other "citizenship documents" are damn near impossible for more private entities and state agencies to verify. There is no uniform layout or design, and there is no central issuing authority.

In short it is almost impossible for any natural born American (you conservative dipshiat bumblefarks included) to "prove" their citizenship. This could include you one day.
 
2012-11-13 06:44:14 PM
img40.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-13 06:46:07 PM
See! This is what we are going on about! Government regs putting people out of a job. Stupid liberals and their red tape.
 
2012-11-13 06:49:13 PM
What Georgia Peach might look like 


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-13 06:49:39 PM

FormlessOne: Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.

Man, I can't wait to hear the screaming. If Georgia lets them work without being legally licensed to do so, insurers will reject any and all billing from them because of liability concerns. If Georgia refuses to let them work because they're not legally licensed, their healthcare system is going to suffer large for it.

Short-sighted, hot-button legislation meant to pander to voters is not how you govern, Georgia. Especially when you couple it with severe budget cuts to state governmental staff already working with antiquated processes.

Heckuva job, Georgia.


Bingo. This is the same "Gotta do something! NOW!!" thinking that drives so much governmental thinking. It got us California's three-strikes laws: "We need to rein in all these repeat felons--let's give all three-time losers 25-to-life across the board!" "But that might not always be necessary--" "THERE'S NO TIME! FIX IT NOW!!"

Same thing here. "Too many undocumented immigrants! Make everyone prove their citizenship across the board!!" "But not everyone needs to do that---" "THERE'S NO TIME! FIX IT NOW!!" Sometimes, you need to take the time to a) see if there's really a problem that needs fixing, and b) see if the "fix" is really going to solve the problem. But legislators like to jump straight from We think there's a problem to FIX IT NOW! without going through all those pesky steps in between.
 
2012-11-13 06:57:28 PM

Aarontology: Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded Palin-American laws.


Just striving for accuracy...
 
2012-11-13 06:58:03 PM

electronsexparty: Guess their mommas never told them that cutting off their nose to spite their face does no one any good.


Well, it probably helps plastic surgeons, but good luck finding a licensed one in GA.
 
2012-11-13 06:58:54 PM

Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.




well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.
 
2012-11-13 07:00:33 PM
Ahh, the GOP, operating under the principle "If it ain't broke, something is obviously broken, so we better fix it, so we can point at it and say we fixed an obviously broken thing! And if it *is* broken, we'll just blame the Democrats and tell them 'It's *your* problem, *you* fix it' all while handcuffing them, then blame them for not fixing the problem we wouldn't let them fix!".
 
2012-11-13 07:02:59 PM

PawisBetlog: Follow up story tomorrow: ## patients die in Georgia Emergency units due to lack of Drs.

Stay classy Georgia.


Sounds like Dog's will to me.
 
2012-11-13 07:05:28 PM
Sounds like a golden opportunity for licensed doctors and nurses from other states to set up new practices in Georgia.
 
2012-11-13 07:06:57 PM
It isn't just stupid ... it's Georgia stupid!
 
2012-11-13 07:07:10 PM
This makes sense. Because if there's one thing that menaces American society, it's illegal immigrants taking our professional jobs.
 
2012-11-13 07:09:25 PM

relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.


Not quite. People are saying that small mindedness and xenophobia (yes, with an "x") motivated those in state government (and their mostly right-wing citizen support base) to draft and pass a set of laws that were unnecessary, unfunded, and essentially unenforceable.

This is what happens when you institutionalize scapegoating in the thinly-veiled guise of "addressing" a real problem. This is what happens when you let spite dictate policy. You should take close note of the results.

By the way, all of this recent hoopla over voter ID and ID verification for immigrants should look REAL interesting next time the topic of a national ID card comes up. Right wingers threw a conniption fit the last time it was suggested that perhaps they should carry identification standardized at the national level.

"For thee but not for me", one of their favorite refrains...
 
2012-11-13 07:11:33 PM
Step 1 - Cut staff in departments by 40%
Step 2 - Quadruple their workload
Step 3 - Blame ineffective government agency for failing to enforce poorly designed law

What this really looks like is a move by Georgia against two distinct groups of people whose beliefs are counter to the GOP belief system, government workers and medical workers. Those who embrace medicine embrace Science, which is everything the GOP is now against. Of course government workers are and always will be people of terrible character, freeloaders and incompetents the lot of them.

A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.
 
2012-11-13 07:17:38 PM
Georgia: Wisdom*, Justice, Moderation.

* Wisdom not included; some assembly required.
 
2012-11-13 07:18:03 PM

Aquapope: electronsexparty: Guess their mommas never told them that cutting off their nose to spite their face does no one any good.

Well, it probably helps plastic surgeons, but good luck finding a licensed one in GA.


...slow clap...well done...
 
2012-11-13 07:18:56 PM

PawisBetlog: Follow up story tomorrow: ## patients die in Georgia Emergency units due to lack of Drs.


Follow up story Thursday: Obamacare death panels kill ## patients in Georgia ER units.
 
2012-11-13 07:20:52 PM

relcec: Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.



well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.


Does the professional self certify? or do you check each birth certificate, naturalization certificate, and Passport for validity otherwise it's a useless exercise, not to mention the fact that you are now dealing with state and county records which are both small and inefficient also the state department plus Immigration are both not know for speed.
 
2012-11-13 07:23:38 PM
Even D.A. King, an outspoken activist and critic of illegal immigration who helped write the law, agrees. King says the law protects Georgia jobs, but even he believes some parts of the legislation need fixing. A bill that addressed some of the law's shortcomings died in the last legislative session.

D.A.=Dumb Ass
The worst kind of politician is one like this who panders to the fears of the ignorant and bigoted. They cannot bring anything useful to the table, so they appeal to the reptilian brain of the yokels to get their support.

These are the wastes of oxygen that hold back civilization because they are too lazy or just plain greedy to do anything useful..always "short term" thinking, damn the consequences.
 
2012-11-13 07:24:52 PM
Hmm, yes, except most medical personnel in Georgia, with the exception of Rep. Tom Name-My-Price, oppose persecuting and making scapegoats of immigrants. Let me know when rednecks are no longer to get their professional licenses to be rednecks.
 
2012-11-13 07:25:50 PM
There sure is a lot of preaching over a paperwork issue. If there's a good lawyer around he'll jump all over this as seek to recoup any actual lost wages over state delay and hopefully change the law. We can't write so goo hear in the south so it often takes us a few tries to get things right. Y'all yankees are always in such a big hurry to get things your way and fast or else.
 
2012-11-13 07:26:58 PM
Yeah, I recall media reports a few years back claiming that Georgia had a widespread problem with crops being left to rot in fields after a crackdown on illegal immigrants and that farmers were in a panic.

I'm guessing this is the same sort of "crisis" -- one that Farkers, Redditors, et cetera can celebrate while Georgians remain unaware that they're supposed to be panicking.
 
2012-11-13 07:26:58 PM

ClavellBCMI: Ahh, the GOP, operating under the principle "If it ain't broke, something is obviously broken, so we better fix it, so we can point at it and say we fixed an obviously broken thing!



can I just say something? and please know this isn't directed at you personally.

the thing that really disturbs me about people like you is one minute you will be quite sensibly wailing about the plight of the common man and working class and the 1%er fat cats that are paying less and less in wages every single year and the fact that unemployment is still hovering around 8%,
and then almost the very next minute (if the threads align properly) you'll be screaming if it ain't broke don't fix it with regards to encouraging a couple million foreign workers, that come from almost excursively from 3rd world nations, that are therefore willing to work for shiat wages, that come here in those massive numbers every single year and compete for jobs with already underemployed and underpaid American citizens, almost 45% of which who receive state subsidies for this deficiency caused by an overstuffed labor market.
Yet you seemingly suffer from no cognitive dissonance at all.

I mean, you seem like you have absolutely no idea you are working at diametrically opposed purposes here with your positions.
it's as if you are unaware the labor market is an actual market where the laws of supply and demand govern as surely as they do on the price of a commodity like eggs.

and then I realize you don't have nay idea they are related, and at the same time YOU actually think you are a bastion of enlightenment and truth in this nation, and this scares the f*ck out of me.

and then I realize that as deficient as you are, that you in fact are relatively educated and well read compared to your mouth breathing brethren, and that you vote, and then I just want to crawl up into a ball and weep over the state of ignorance among the class of people that participate in politics.


www.socialsecurity.gov

azizonomics.files.wordpress.com 
 
2012-11-13 07:27:30 PM

relcec: Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.



well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.


You don't actually know what neoliberalism is, do you?

I'll give you a hint: It has nothing to do with political liberalism except that liberals are usually opposed to it.
 
2012-11-13 07:34:53 PM
Welcome to Tea Bag America. Next stop: Kansas.
 
2012-11-13 07:35:45 PM

twat_waffle: but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.

You don't actually know what neoliberalism is, do you?

I'll give you a hint: It has nothing to do with political liberalism except that liberals are usually opposed to it.




you don't actually know what neoliberalism is, do you?
otherwise you wouldn't be trying to argue that NPR doesn't in fact champion free trade, free movement of capital, and free movement of labor, the holy f*cking trinity of neoliberalism.

I'll give you hint since you seem like you have been encased in teflon for the past 40 years and unable to receive media of any kind, liberals are at least half the reason neoliberalism is the political orthodoxy of the entire united states political establishment.
 
2012-11-13 07:41:18 PM
So these 'health care professionals' are picking the crops in the fields now?
 
2012-11-13 07:43:01 PM
relcec: ...
not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.


Actually, your use of the word "racist" would be the first in the thread.
 
2012-11-13 07:43:53 PM

relcec: Kanemano: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

If you want to expand the scope of the government, you have to increase the size of the government.



well actually you just probably shouldn't cut it by 40% at the same time you are requiring a microscopic bit more work out of it.

NPR tired to conflate the new immigration law with the results that were obtained almost entirely by cutting the government staffing levels by 40% because that is what they do here to push their everyone should be able to work here free of restriction and push down working class wages neo-liberal agenda,
so you of course think it is a monumental task to ask a clerk to review an additional 78th page that has been appended to a document that is already 77 pages long which is simply a copy of a legal document that shows legal residence.

but the truth is adding one page to one of these fat ass physician credentialing files that show every incident that occurred where a doctor has had their insurance company settle out for them in a thirty years period might add only 45 seconds to an already hour long process of review before the file even gets to committee.
I worked in texas medicaid credentialing department about 13 years ago now, where some doctors have to get a half inch file submitted on their behalf to receive state payments, and I can tell you that looking over a copy of birth certificate in addition to everything else is negligible.


They don't just look over a birth certificate.

Upon further review Georgia is just passing on the work to the Feds via E-verify and then post your # to a website. The information is grabbed from the I-9 forms, problem is most Docs and self employed and probably never filled out a I-9, plus from their own reporting E-verify rate of error is around 8%

Text
E-verify
 
2012-11-13 07:50:22 PM

OpusSoup: relcec: ...
not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.

Actually, your use of the word "racist" would be the first in the thread.


well you people don't want to come right out and say the only possible use of immigration control by a white person is to further your racist designs. but forgive me for taking the liberty of saying what you people actually think.


Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist.
The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
 
2012-11-13 07:56:17 PM

Kanemano: They don't just look over a birth certificate.

Upon further review Georgia is just passing on the work to the Feds via E-verify and then post your # to a website. The information is grabbed from the I-9 forms, problem is most Docs and self employed and probably never filled out a I-9, plus from their own reporting E-verify rate of error is around 8%

Text
E-verify


ty
 
2012-11-13 08:01:06 PM
I'll admit cutting the staff by 40% and even implementing this with healthcare professionals at all at this point were two impressively and sadly very unsurprisingly stupid decisions by Georgia republicans. notwithstanding, slowing both legal and illegal immigration is the only reasonable response to an over stuffed labor market however.


open immigration can't coexist with a strong social safety net; if you're going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can't make that offer global.
-mr. krugman
 
2012-11-13 08:01:59 PM
5-1 this was an ALEC bill. Anything really, REALLY stupid that passes at the state level is usually from ALEC.
 
2012-11-13 08:03:38 PM

Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.


this is what you get when you pass laws based on gut reaction, emotions. and racial hatred.
 
2012-11-13 08:04:54 PM
Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist.
The midnight train to Georgia will need to see your papers, please.
We can't have illegal immigrants running around takin ar jerbs!
this is what you get when you pass laws based on gut reaction, emotions. and racial hatred.
 
2012-11-13 08:05:03 PM
Oh, another example of "small government".
 
2012-11-13 08:05:25 PM
FTR-It is not just the nurses and doctors affected by the law. ANY government service provided has to be submitted with the Affadavit and a copies of citizenship (Certified Birth Certificates with seal, Passports, etc). All the departments have had staffing cuts and no raises since 2008. It's a farking hell hole to work in.
 
2012-11-13 08:06:22 PM

electronsexparty: Republicans are so afraid of brown people that they make things harder on themselves and everyone else just to "correct" problems that don't exist. Guess their mommas never told them that cutting off their nose to spite their face does no one any good.


Especially when the surgeons who would happily reattach it can't because they're not legally allowed to operate until their applications for renewal get processed.

Wah wah wahhhh...
 
2012-11-13 08:09:10 PM

relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


So.... You're okay with socialized medicine then?
 
2012-11-13 08:12:28 PM
You gonna get reaped what you sowed.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-13 08:22:26 PM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


This is the classic textbook case of pointless overregulation. Brought to you by rightwing derp.
 
2012-11-13 08:27:28 PM

Dog Welder: ComicBookGuy: Lemme guess: retarded conservative Republicans are behind this?

Nope. Obama's fault.

Everything bad is Obama's fault.

Did you not get the memo?


MEMO

To: Farkistan
Re: Memo jokes

This is an actual memo to inform you that "didn't get the memo" jokes are not funny, and stopped being funny about a few seconds after their discovery. When someone predictably says "I guess you didn't get the memo," you can reply that you DID receive a memo warning you about their cliche'd joke, but you have been advised AGAINST asking them if they also got this memo. Assume they didn't. Thank you.
 
2012-11-13 08:34:18 PM

jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......


Nuts, I thought that would be it.
 
2012-11-13 08:41:56 PM
Good way to get rid of acupuncture
 
2012-11-13 09:04:57 PM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)



Keep it up, retard, and you will.
 
2012-11-13 09:17:20 PM
Hundreds of health care workers in Georgia are losing their licenses to practice because of a problem created by a new immigration law in the state. sneaking into the United States illegally and taking jobs that only citizens should have.


/Cry me a river. You don't see me skulking into mexico and demanding full rights. Why should we let you do it? You took a job under false citizenship, now you lose. Get out.
 
2012-11-13 09:22:55 PM
So, if they can't produce a valid copy of a birth record,,,,get the fark out of my country!!!!!!

This goes for the so called person they elected a few days ago.

By the way, I can produce mine at any time, keep the damn thing in my safe deposit box.
 
2012-11-13 09:34:04 PM
Keep laughing. Those same gubmint workers will now be fingering your health care information. I work for the Department of Human Services, the changes are coming fast. I've worked for three fortune 500 companies before landing here and the contrast is amazing. Everyone gets the same percentage of pay increase. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you refrain from the 4 immediate termination

Undulation: Step 1 - Cut staff in departments by 40%
Step 2 - Quadruple their workload
Step 3 - Blame ineffective government agency for failing to enforce poorly designed law

What this really looks like is a move by Georgia against two distinct groups of people whose beliefs are counter to the GOP belief system, government workers and medical workers. Those who embrace medicine embrace Science, which is everything the GOP is now against. Of course government workers are and always will be people of terrible character, freeloaders and incompetents the lot of them.

A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.


Faster, yes. Worse job? Compared to government workers? No. Double the cost? No, government is ALWAYS more expensive. I've managed in a fortune 500 company and I've managed in State Government. It's not even close. One is merit based and pays based on performance. The other is unionized and pay increases happen for everyone regardless of performance. In government, most of the heard works just hard enough to keep from getting fired... The others move on.
 
2012-11-13 09:36:52 PM
I get the most incredible feeling of joy and satisfaction from other peoples' struggles. Right now, it's like I'm using some drugs and doing some sex at the same time.
 
2012-11-13 09:46:14 PM

impaler: Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.

Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones.


That's the story of the Georgia General Assembly, which goes back into session in January with essentially a GOP supermajority. We're going to need our own tag.
 
2012-11-13 09:50:58 PM

Pockafrusta: Keep laughing. Those same gubmint workers will now be fingering your health care information. I work for the Department of Human Services, the changes are coming fast. I've worked for three fortune 500 companies before landing here and the contrast is amazing. Everyone gets the same percentage of pay increase. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you refrain from the 4 immediate terminationUndulation: Step 1 - Cut staff in departments by 40%
Step 2 - Quadruple their workload
Step 3 - Blame ineffective government agency for failing to enforce poorly designed law

What this really looks like is a move by Georgia against two distinct groups of people whose beliefs are counter to the GOP belief system, government workers and medical workers. Those who embrace medicine embrace Science, which is everything the GOP is now against. Of course government workers are and always will be people of terrible character, freeloaders and incompetents the lot of them.

A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.

Faster, yes. Worse job? Compared to government workers? No. Double the cost? No, government is ALWAYS more expensive. I've managed in a fortune 500 company and I've managed in State Government. It's not even close. One is merit based and pays based on performance. The other is unionized and pay increases happen for everyone regardless of performance. In government, most of the heard works just hard enough to keep from getting fired... The others move on.


Well, at least they're heard.
 
2012-11-13 09:54:55 PM
Georgia did just fine before these socialist "health care workers" came around with their "medicine". I mean, what is wrong with a good old fashioned bloodletting or using leeches. Trepanning was used for thousands of years to cure all sorts of diseases. Says so right the the Bible.
 
2012-11-13 10:00:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: Enactment of the law coincided with budget cuts that reduced the office staff by 40 percent.

So .... maybe states can't do it better than the Federal Government? Can you imagine their implementation of Romneycare?


I'm praying Governor Deal will be obstinate about healthcare so that the Federal government will be forced to come in and set-up our health care system because I know it will be better if the Federal government handles it. I have a lot of dear, sweet Republican friends who think the state could handle it better. None of them were born and raised in Georgia.They just don't have the history to fully understand.
 
2012-11-13 10:05:29 PM

Xploder: Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.

How the HELL is it a good idea? From the article: "Donald Palmisano Jr. executive director of the Medical Association of Georgia, says the law fixes a problem that never existed - at least not among doctors. "We're not aware of any undocumented immigrants that are physicians," Palmisano said."

A problem that NEVER existed among doctors...so let's fark things up to the point where doctors lose their licenses?


Well, we have too many doctors anyway. In some regions of the state, there is a doctor in every county.
 
2012-11-13 10:09:16 PM
relcec (farkied: Douchebag who uses "Democrat" as an adjective): The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


So you're saying the rest of the civilized world adds pointless government bureaucracy (whining about pointless government bureaucracy all the while), refuses to pay the taxes needed to fund the pointless government bureaucracy and then wonders why they get such predictable results as this?
 
2012-11-13 10:11:31 PM

zenobia: impaler: Aarontology: State officials say the new document requirements haven't uncovered any undocumented immigrants.

Hughes estimates about 1,300 doctors and other medical practitioners have lost their legal ability to work.

Yep. That's about all you need to know about these retarded laws.

Today's GOP: creating real problems in an attempt to solve non-existent ones.

That's the story of the Georgia General Assembly, which goes back into session in January with essentially a GOP supermajority. We're going to need our own tag.


Sadly, I fear that we'll see more dangerous, short-sighted legislation in the next year or two. I have Congressman Bishop's address handy, if you want it...
 
2012-11-13 10:12:10 PM
relcec (farkied: Douchebag who uses "Democrat" as an adjective): notwithstanding, slowing both legal and illegal immigration is the only reasonable response to an over stuffed labor market however.

Yes, there are so many millions of doctors and nurses cramming into semi trailers and sneaking over the border.
 
2012-11-13 10:14:40 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Hundreds of health care workers in Georgia are losing their licenses to practice because of a problem created by a new immigration law in the state. sneaking into the United States illegally and taking jobs that only citizens should have.


img62.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-13 10:18:53 PM

relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.


Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."

This man knows that my own family includes an internationally adopted child. He knows that many of the very people he was ranting about are our friends. We still visit them. The kids still go to each others' birthday parties.

Yes, he's "working class", if you overlook the fact that he hasn't worked in over 20 years. He was fired and per long-time neighbors that have known him longer than I have, he never looked for another job. He immediately assumed the mantle of the ultimate victim. He can't find a job because women work for less pay, affirmative action gives jobs to blacks, and now because of Hispanics.

He doesn't care about the working class and neither do you. All either of you care about is feeling sorry for yourselves, hating, and scapegoating others.
 
2012-11-13 10:46:41 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Republican Party! 

/Give them ol' boys a hand
 
2012-11-13 10:58:30 PM

Gabrielmot: Here's some advice... fire Director LaSharn Hughes. Clearly this job is too hard for her and clearly she's undeserving for whatever pay you are giving her.


You really think there are people out there that can do a decent job of this without the necessary equipment, staff, and funding to accomplish it? Have you sent in your application and resume?
 
2012-11-13 11:41:58 PM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


LOL, you're trying to blame this mess on liberals?

/Nice troll. Thanks for the belly laugh!
 
2012-11-13 11:45:07 PM

Pockafrusta: Keep laughing. Those same gubmint workers will now be fingering your health care information. I work for the Department of Human Services, the changes are coming fast. I've worked for three fortune 500 companies before landing here and the contrast is amazing. Everyone gets the same percentage of pay increase. It doesn't matter what you do as long as you refrain from the 4 immediate terminationUndulation: Step 1 - Cut staff in departments by 40%
Step 2 - Quadruple their workload
Step 3 - Blame ineffective government agency for failing to enforce poorly designed law

What this really looks like is a move by Georgia against two distinct groups of people whose beliefs are counter to the GOP belief system, government workers and medical workers. Those who embrace medicine embrace Science, which is everything the GOP is now against. Of course government workers are and always will be people of terrible character, freeloaders and incompetents the lot of them.

A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.

Faster, yes. Worse job? Compared to government workers? No. Double the cost? No, government is ALWAYS more expensive.


The city I live in has been in 'business' for more than three hundred years, taking i revenue and, in exchange, providing services to its citizens...much linger longer than any currently traded company on the NYSE.

By way of contrast....how's your Enron stock doing?

My point is, might want to put down the broad brush. Working in ONE company isn't a compelling data set.
 
2012-11-13 11:45:10 PM
small government + root out all the brown people = bag of peach tea
 
2012-11-13 11:49:43 PM

jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......


no more Coke?
 
2012-11-13 11:52:27 PM

relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.


I just reviewed the entire thread and not one person, other than you, has brought that up in any way.

It might be time to have your meds adjusted. Or look into getting some. You may be seeing things that aren't there.
 
2012-11-14 12:02:29 AM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


That's what ICE is for. Georgia is doing an even worse job than the feds.
 
2012-11-14 12:03:04 AM
Filipino nurses will knife you in your sleep
 
2012-11-14 12:07:34 AM

J3L2404: Republicans, claiming that government is inept and then proving themselves right.


The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
-PJ O'Rourke
 
2012-11-14 12:09:54 AM

Hongcouver: Here in Canada the government encourages medical professionals to immigrate, but then won't recognize their credentials. The quickie mart across the street from my old office was run by a pharmacist from Iran. Doctors are driving cabs but you can't find a GP to save your life. I had an apprentice technician working with me who had a masters degree in electrical engineering. The stupid is everywhere, not just the pork rind states.


Well...Georgia is full of stupid. This, however, is not as bad as one may think. The initial period of proving one's citizenship is time consuming and painful (DMV licensing included), However, after that, it will be a breeze to renew. Plus, there will be a lot less of an illegal population drag on Georgia's economy.....once it adjusts.
 
2012-11-14 12:12:35 AM

Clemkadidlefark: Filipino nurses will knife you in your sleep


Well, if you press the call button 40 times a night then yes this is possible.
 
2012-11-14 12:30:41 AM
We just passed one of those stupid laws here, except it's for anyone who applies for social services. So the dirty illegals won't be taking our welfare.

It passed overwhelmingly too. I can't wait for the long backlog of applications for food stamps, unemployment, and other bennies. I suppose that will be the illegals' fault too.
 
2012-11-14 12:32:08 AM

jbezorg: relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

So.... You're okay with socialized medicine then?


single payer universal, I'm the biggest proponent on fark.
socialized medicine, no thanks.
why do you ask?
 
2012-11-14 12:49:38 AM

Lunaville: relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.

Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."

This man knows that my own family includes an internationally adopted child. He knows that many of the very people he was ranting about are our friends. We still visit them. The kids still go to each others' birthday parties.

Yes, he's "working class", if you overlook the fact that he hasn't worked in over 20 years. He was fired and per long-time neighbors that have known him longer than I have, he never looked for another job. He immediately assumed the mantle of the ultimate victim. He can't find a job because women work for less pay, affirmative action gives jobs to blacks, and now because of Hispanics.

He doesn't care about the working class and neither do you. All either of you care about is feeling sorry for yourselves, hating, and scapegoating others.


Lunaville: relcec: entitygm: Ugh this state is an embarrassment sometimes. Earlier this year they drove most of the illegals out..

Predictably the farmers started crying foul uz nobody else would do that work for barely better than slave wages



weird that you think getting the slaves back for them is the solution here.

Oh, shut up. I ran into a real life version of you recently in a store - a former neighbor. We ended up on the same aisle and he was looking at me so I said "Hi xx, how are you?" He began the conversation with a bizarre comment stating "Most American women now-a-days have five or six abortions." I tried to politely turn the conversation to talk about cookies. He started yelling at me in the store. He started ranting about immigrants and Hispanics, dehumanizing an entire category of people, saying "They're not like you and me ..."


you don't know me at all kid.
I've never once said an unkind word about illegal immigrants. never. not in my entire f*cking life. I live in a state filled with these people, and
most of them are much harder working and much kinder and obviously more intelligent than you'll ever be.
the only remedy I've ever proscribed for their removal is to jail their employers (not them) who induce them to come here so they don't have to pay living wage to americans and whose unnaturally low wages then force externalities on the rest of society in the form of subsidies for their families and the subsidies of the working class they displace. I'm simply telling the truth, that increasing supply with cheaper substitute labor reduces the demand that everyone else can charge for their labor in this country, and this is a huge reason why the median wage for males has decreased insignificantly for males in this country since 1965 when immigration was significantly liberalized.
you call me a hate filled scapegoating bigot just like your friend for simply daring to tell the truth about decreasing wages and labor supply in the united states. go f*ck yourself you piece of garbage.
 
2012-11-14 12:50:48 AM

Beowoolfie: relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.

I just reviewed the entire thread and not one person, other than you, has brought that up in any way.

It might be time to have your meds adjusted. Or look into getting some. You may be seeing things that aren't there.


your reading comprehension really really sucks.
 
2012-11-14 01:26:35 AM
As a resident of Georgia I have to imagine all of you decrying this law would have wanted to keep things the old way. These immigrants had NO RIGHTS, NO PROTECTION, were given what amounted to SLAVE WAGES. Humans shouldn't be treated that way, these immigrants who come to work in the US deserve the same, albeit limited, worker protection and wages that citizens of the US have.

But for the immigrants to have this they HAVE GOT TO come here legally. All you people say Georgia is stupid for instituting such a law need to check to see how this law compares to immigration policies not only from where these immigrants come from, but from other more socially leaning countries. Furthermore, talk to legal immigrants and see how they feel about all the illegal immigrants coming here lowering the wages they can get.

Also, relcec up here making all kinds of sense.
 
2012-11-14 02:21:12 AM

Pockafrusta: No, government is ALWAYS more expensive.


Exactly what free-market forces would make privatizing legislatively-required paperwork cheaper? There's no control over the process, because the process is dictated by law. Contracts for services like this are generally awarded for fairly long terms because continuity of service is vital; any non-functional transitional period between contractees would be a violation of the government's duties to the citizens. And even if the contracts do have short terms they're reviewed by essentially the same process used to review the government employees (a process you deride in your post) and given the demand of exactly 1 the barriers to entry are all but insurmountable -- it's literally a winner-take-all monopoly market.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm all for private enterprise; in places where there is an actual liquid market it's usually the best solution. Even in places with a limited market it's viable solution, given the right controls. But if you think this sort of service would run any differently in private hands I can only assume that you're unwilling or unable to understand the economics of the situation.
 
2012-11-14 02:50:57 AM

relcec: ClavellBCMI: Ahh, the GOP, operating under the principle "If it ain't broke, something is obviously broken, so we better fix it, so we can point at it and say we fixed an obviously broken thing!


can I just say something? and please know this isn't directed at you personally.

the thing that really disturbs me about people like you is one minute you will be quite sensibly wailing about the plight of the common man and working class and the 1%er fat cats that are paying less and less in wages every single year and the fact that unemployment is still hovering around 8%,
and then almost the very next minute (if the threads align properly) you'll be screaming if it ain't broke don't fix it with regards to encouraging a couple million foreign workers, that come from almost excursively from 3rd world nations, that are therefore willing to work for shiat wages, that come here in those massive numbers every single year and compete for jobs with already underemployed and underpaid American citizens, almost 45% of which who receive state subsidies for this deficiency caused by an overstuffed labor market.
Yet you seemingly suffer from no cognitive dissonance at all.

I mean, you seem like you have absolutely no idea you are working at diametrically opposed purposes here with your positions.
it's as if you are unaware the labor market is an actual market where the laws of supply and demand govern as surely as they do on the price of a commodity like eggs.

and then I realize you don't have nay idea they are related, and at the same time YOU actually think you are a bastion of enlightenment and truth in this nation, and this scares the f*ck out of me.

and then I realize that as deficient as you are, that you in fact are relatively educated and well read compared to your mouth breathing brethren, and that you vote, and then I just want to crawl up into a ball and weep over the state of ignorance among the class of people that participate in politics.




 


I'm sorry, you lost me and possibly several others at excursively.
 
2012-11-14 04:26:44 AM
The Georgia racist trashbags ARE getting what they want: the departure of all doctors and nurses (no matter how skilled) who have funny-sounding names, so that their places can EVENTUALLY be filled by little Johnny Whitebread and his sister Suzie.
 
2012-11-14 04:52:12 AM

jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......


They already run their government as poorly as they run their banks.
 
2012-11-14 05:33:28 AM

Lunaville: Xploder: Dinjiin: relcec: WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.

The problem isn't that they are checking residency. The problem is that the state doesn't have enough people to check for residency. And as the article notes, they are accepting residency papers at face value with no system to detect fraud.

In short: good idea, terrible execution. That's why people are mad.

How the HELL is it a good idea? From the article: "Donald Palmisano Jr. executive director of the Medical Association of Georgia, says the law fixes a problem that never existed - at least not among doctors. "We're not aware of any undocumented immigrants that are physicians," Palmisano said."

A problem that NEVER existed among doctors...so let's fark things up to the point where doctors lose their licenses?

Well, we have too many doctors anyway. In some regions of the state, there is a doctor in every county.


I sometimes feel the same way here in Michigan. Got a certified letter yesterday telling me that my last back injection was from, of course, the same batch that caused the viral meningitis outbreaks. Maybe that's why I was so sick that I couldn't get out of bed for six weeks and have been sick on and off ever since. Couldn't get an appointment to see a doctor because they switched over to a new computerized system and it would be at LEAST eight weeks before I could see anyone. Yay me. Of course, the wife will call their office today and MAYBE I can get to see someone this week - not today because none of the doctors are there on Wednesdays.
 
2012-11-14 06:00:48 AM
Well durr...

I probably should have mentioned the fact that my doctor is Chinese and at least 95% of the doctors in our clinic are from other countries. This is a normal thing here as it seems to be easier to get licensed in this state than in almost any other. Then again, we DO have our right wing morons that insist that "the Meskins are here takin' are jobs!!!" and yeah, I've heard that a LOT. Then when anyone suggests doing anything about it, the same people biatch, piss and moan about how they "won't be able to get anyone to work in their fields if'n we get rid of all them there illeguls!"

There are moronic idiots in every state - my sister, who I am thrilled to say moved to New Mexico recently - insists that the only book anyone needs to read is the Bible. Yes, she DOES mean that to include doctors and every other professional in the world. We're glad she's gone. Now we just need to get rid of the REST of the idiots and ship them out to the desert...
 
2012-11-14 07:08:36 AM

rev. dave: eagles95: jj325: And the argument against them seceding is......

They are going to be a purple state in 4 years. But outside of that not much reason.

MITT ROMNEY (R) 53.32% 2,076,153
BARACK OBAMA (I)D 5.52% 1,772,455
GARY JOHNSON (L) 1.16% 45,276
total 3,893,884 

not an impossible statement.


Unless the democrats run another black candidate, no, there's no way that happens.
 
2012-11-14 10:54:06 AM

Nadie_AZ:

My god. It's full of assholes.


I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes. Keep firing assholes! (LINK)
 
2012-11-14 10:54:41 AM

DrPainMD: But... but... but... without regulation, we'll have chaos. It'll be just like Somalia. Do you want to live in Somalia?

(this is what liberal farkers actually believe. they say it here every day)


relcec: The law requires everyone - no matter where they were born - to prove their citizenship or legal residency to renew their professional licenses.

WE ARE ACTING LIKE THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE.


Dear Fark Independents:

Please get yr goddamn stories straight before posting why this problem is b/c of libtards and not the conservavictims that passed it.

Is it:
A) An Evil gubment regulation foisted on WE THE PEOPLE in keeping w/ evil libbyness

or

B) A Good GOD FEARING righteous laws that any civilized people would fully support in the effort to keep the browns from TAKING ER JERRRBS

/I know, cognitive dissonance is a tough nut to crack
 
2012-11-14 11:42:31 AM

Pockafrusta: A privatized licensing agency could do an even worse job slightly faster and at only double the cost.

Faster, yes. Worse job? Compared to government workers? No. Double the cost? No, government is ALWAYS more expensive. I've managed in a fortune 500 company and I've managed in State Government. It's not even close. One is merit based and pays based on performance overall company stock performance, not individual performance. The other is unionized and pay increases happen for everyone regardless of performance. In government, most of the heard works just hard enough to keep from getting fired... The others move on.


There are differences by dept in the govt. In some departments, behavior that would go unnoticed in a Fortune 500 company (e.g. accepting bribes from vendors, such as box seats at a sporting event) results in you losing your security clearance and your job in short order. I know govt employees who had to remove a proposal from the leather binding and hand the binding back to the company rep because it exceeded the maximum monetary value ($5 at the time, but this was a few years ago) they could receive from the company. In other departments, I'll admit, it is possible to exhibit major personality disorders while actively preventing work from being done without getting fired. The first sort of department tends to be merit-based in terms of promotions, and the one I'm most familiar with does not have a union.

There are two major problems with your view of Fortune 500 companies. First of all, major companies are also not monolithic in nature. One department could be run by a fair, knowledgable boss who apportions their allotment of raises by merit, while another does it by throwing darts at a board. The second problem is that money for raises only becomes available if the company is doing well and if the higher-ups allow some of that to trickle down. If the company is losing money, no-one (below a certain level) gets a raise, no matter how much they may 'merit' one.
 
2012-11-14 02:35:47 PM

relcec: Beowoolfie: relcec: not really. people are in here saying that checking for legal status is a horrible racist idea by small minded zenophobes. look around.

I just reviewed the entire thread and not one person, other than you, has brought that up in any way.

It might be time to have your meds adjusted. Or look into getting some. You may be seeing things that aren't there.

your reading comprehension really really sucks.


I guess it must, as you still look wrong to me. Would you care to explain?
//Unless by "in here" you meant, "somewhere on the internet".
 
2012-11-14 06:18:41 PM
Well, isn't Georgia seceding? Sounds like a Republican problem.

fark Georgia. They asked for this indeed.
 
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