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(SeattlePI)   Victoria's Secret apologizes for Native American headdress, since models walking down the catwalk in a leopard print thong is the first place you'd expect to find cultural sensitivity   (seattlepi.com) divider line 17
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2012-11-13 02:51:46 PM
6 votes:
Nobody say a thing. Just post pictures and leave.
2012-11-13 03:18:51 PM
3 votes:
The problem is that it's a chief's headdress, which has some significance. It's roughly equivalent to a model wearing a habit, priest's colar, or bishop's hat while on the runway in a skimpy outfit.

I'm Cherokee, Cheyenne, Welsh, and what-have-you, and it doesn't actually offend me as much as the whole idea of fashion shows, which is to treat women like coat racks for awful, ugly clothing while simultaneously holding them to a beauty standard in which looking like a transvestite is prized more than looking like an actual woman.
2012-11-13 02:54:13 PM
3 votes:
I'm part Native American (Cherokee and Ojibwe) and I am not at all 'offended'. But if they're feeling really bad, I could take a closer look... just to make sure.
2012-11-13 04:29:46 PM
2 votes:
My wife is Ojibwe and this recently came up in discussion. The truth is most (at least here in canada) natives are losing or have lost their culture for a number of reasons. Residential schools comes to mind, seriously, if you can talk to someone who was in one it will give you an idea of what really was happening. Its a truly heartbreaking thing. As for the whole outrage thing, as I understand it some are seeing it as just more white washing of their history/culture and more smoke obscuring its true meaning and significance.
2012-11-13 03:05:52 PM
2 votes:
Smackledorfer: "Should I be throwing a shiatfit if a sexy lederhosen outfit was on the runway?"

If there was a campaign of genocide waged against the lederhosen-wearing people and then white-washed by the victors, I wouldn't cry foul if you sent a strongly worded letter about sexy lederhosen.
2012-11-13 04:26:43 PM
1 votes:

FunkOut: You know, why don't they do one of those historically accurate outfits from ancient Egypt, you know, where the top of the dress ended right before the breasts started?


I love the Egyptian style, especially the Pharaoh garb.

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2012-11-13 03:46:18 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: LordJiro: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: I thought it was a tribute to Massachusetts new Senator Elizabeth 'same amount of Cherokee blood as the current chief of the Cherokee nation' Warren.

Which makes one wonder whether the concept of "Cherokee nation" is necessary. Can't they find anyone competent who has more than 2% Cherokee blood? Why the fark do should we take the organization seriously if they're going to hire a guy who'se 98% non-native to run the thing.


There's more to a culture than blood.

/especially since the "blood" part is a fairly archaic concept.
2012-11-13 03:42:52 PM
1 votes:
smackledorfer: " I'm not saying you wouldn't, but I'm asking you to explain to me why a culture having gone through some shiat makes any reference to it completely off limits?"

It doesn't make it "off limits". It makes it understandable when they get sensitive.
That is: I'm not saying "Victoria's Secret should not have done that". I'm saying "I understand why the tribes wrote the letter."

Just as people are within their rights to say "fark it, we're going with a sexy native american thing." The tribes are within their rights to say "that's kind of a dick move".
And having the right to make a sexy native american outfit does not protect one from criticism of it being tacky, tasteless, offensive, unsexy, etc.

I just don't see a villain here; no-one's calling for legal suppression of anyone else's freedom of expression.
There's just two groups disagreeing. Why does one of them have to be wrong?
2012-11-13 03:33:08 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: LordJiro: Dr.Mxyzptlk.: I thought it was a tribute to Massachusetts new Senator Elizabeth 'same amount of Cherokee blood as the current chief of the Cherokee nation' Warren.

Which makes one wonder whether the concept of "Cherokee nation" is necessary. Can't they find anyone competent who has more than 2% Cherokee blood? Why the fark do should we take the organization seriously if they're going to hire a guy who'se 98% non-native to run the thing.


Yeah, I don't get it. You go to NC, you'll find people wearing these same stupid plains Indians headdresses, and you'll see business owners who are incredibly white, yet have nice official paperwork declaring them to be members of the tribe.

Hell, if they'd kept better records back in the day, I'd be more Cherokee than Elizabeth Warren. The icing on the cake is that I'm a pasty redhead.

I understand some people being upset by this, though. Some tribes tend to take these things pretty seriously.
2012-11-13 03:21:50 PM
1 votes:
Why aren't the Christians all over them for making Angels look like tramps?
/ be right back, looking for my outrage.........
2012-11-13 03:18:31 PM
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: Which makes one wonder whether the concept of "Cherokee nation" is necessary. Can't they find anyone competent who has more than 2% Cherokee blood?


You don't know many Cherokee do you.
2012-11-13 03:12:34 PM
1 votes:
Has anyone pointed out they should all eat some sammiches yet?

Cause if not, they should.
2012-11-13 03:08:58 PM
1 votes:
Leopard print? On a pseudo-North American native costume? That is not a North American animal! It should have been jaguar print preferably paired with pseudo-Mayan costume! Scientifically incorrect is not sexy! Harrumph!
2012-11-13 03:07:28 PM
1 votes:
This really isnt surprising. Ten years ago a bunch of seraphim filed a complaint against the company and received a similar apology.
2012-11-13 03:04:31 PM
1 votes:
I didn't RTFA, but I'm guessing the person who complained is all sorts of disgusting.
2012-11-13 02:54:53 PM
1 votes:

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: I thought it was a tribute to Massachusetts new Senator Elizabeth 'same amount of Cherokee blood as the current chief of the Cherokee nation' Warren.

2012-11-13 02:53:15 PM
1 votes:
I thought it was a tribute to Massachusetts new Senator Elizabeth 1/64 Cherokee Warren.
 
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