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(Billings Gazette)   Montana state senator asks to be paid in gold and silver as he's worried about the dollar collapsing. No word on if he'll accept beaver pelts, black powder, buffalo robes, etc   (billingsgazette.com) divider line 81
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2012-11-13 02:00:37 PM
But he said he is trying to get people to start thinking about what will happen if the U.S. currency collapses.

He's just asking questions.
 
2012-11-13 02:05:07 PM
I hope the person from the office of legislative services who gets this requests responds to it by mailing back a fresh dog turd.
 
2012-11-13 02:08:32 PM
All these libby libs dancing through the night while their leaders enjoy fine hotels and big cigars. Come on fellow patriots listen sounds of the redistribution.
 
2012-11-13 02:08:45 PM
Subby, I regret to report that your headline already covered all the snark I had to throw at this one.

Good headline.
 
2012-11-13 02:09:13 PM
Look on the bright side. If we hit the fiscal cliff, the most likely result would be deflation.
 
2012-11-13 02:33:24 PM
I'd like to see him by a Big Mac with a sliver of gold.
 
2012-11-13 02:57:12 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com

is this the guy in question?
 
2012-11-13 03:01:33 PM
5 year t-bills are yielding less than 1%. The dollar isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
 
2012-11-13 03:07:01 PM
I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.
 
2012-11-13 03:10:54 PM
But he said he is trying to get people to start thinking about what will happen if the U.S. currency collapses.

Read more: http://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/montana/montana-law maker-asks-to-be-paid-in-gold-and-silver/article_762bb10d-237d-522f-bd af-608967a96387.html#ixzz2C8SFD4ot



Chapter 1 in Jared Diamond's Collapse is all about how Montana takes so much more from the federal system than it puts in (mostly because has an economy based on unsustainable mining and then passing on the environmental clean up bill to the federal government) that if it wasn't for the USG, the people of Montana would be just like the other extinct civilizations he describes. So that's probably what he has to look forward to if the dollar collapses.
 
2012-11-13 03:19:42 PM

Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.


I get blank stares every time I ask gold bugs that question.
 
2012-11-13 03:25:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

I get blank stares every time I ask gold bugs that question.


Well you see they're going to live in their underground bunkers off MREs, grow their own penicilin, then after a few hundred years when society has rebuilt itself, their heirs will make a killing in the gold market.
 
2012-11-13 03:41:06 PM
I would agree to his request. I would buy Goldline bullion for him. See how much he likes the 30% processing fee and the additional 30% processing fee to convert it back to money. An effective 60% pay cut should get him to STFU.
 
2012-11-13 03:42:50 PM
Now I somehow imagine the floor of the Montana State Senate as having sawdust everywhere with half filled spittoons aplenty.

Prove me wrong.
 
2012-11-13 03:50:58 PM
If only there was some way he could take his salary and convert it to precious metals.
 
2012-11-13 03:55:27 PM
Ever since I got my first job at the age of nine, I put all my money into gold, which is currently at an all-time high, so I have a certain amount of money... I've said too much.
 
2012-11-13 03:58:36 PM
amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.
 
2012-11-13 04:04:37 PM

thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.


What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?
 
2012-11-13 04:06:14 PM

BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?


i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.
 
2012-11-13 04:08:44 PM

thomps: BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?

i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.


Gently used? You've been doing it wrong, methinks.
 
2012-11-13 04:09:38 PM

thomps: BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?

i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.


Are they individually packaged for preservation, or just kind of laying about like the grocery vegetable aisle?
 
2012-11-13 04:13:44 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: thomps: BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?

i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.

Are they individually packaged for preservation, or just kind of laying about like the grocery vegetable aisle?


i've got a wine cellar-type setup. except them assholes up at the newspaper keep calling it a dungeon.
 
2012-11-13 04:14:03 PM

tnpir: I hope the person from the office of legislative services who gets this requests responds to it by mailing back a fresh dog turd.


...painted gold.
 
2012-11-13 04:32:43 PM

Aarontology: If only there was some way he could take his salary and convert it to precious metals.


All those compannies that Beck and his ilk do comercials for keep warning that the economy will collapse so you'd better by gold, all accept U.S. currency.

It's almost as if they don't believe their own hype.
 
2012-11-13 04:51:58 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: I'd like to see him by a Big Mac with a sliver of gold.


That will be epic.
 
2012-11-13 04:54:10 PM
They should take him up on his offer and pay him a fixed quantity of gold based on today's price. Then just wait for the butthurt when the bubble bursts.
 
2012-11-13 04:55:33 PM
What is the representation ratio for the Montana state senate? 1:1?
 
Ab3
2012-11-13 04:55:41 PM
Is this one of those threads where they post pictures of that idiot that turned his skin blue???

I love those...
 
2012-11-13 04:55:50 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: But he said he is trying to get people to start thinking about what will happen if the U.S. currency collapses.


LOL! As if you could bribe zombies to shuffle away.
 
2012-11-13 04:56:23 PM
pay him in gold or silver less the cost of mining, he'll have to eat that cost.
 
2012-11-13 04:58:30 PM
I have some blankets to trade with him. They have only a little bit of small pox on them.
 
2012-11-13 04:58:50 PM
Seems like as good a place as any to plug Brian Schweitzer. I love that guy. 2016!
 
2012-11-13 04:58:53 PM
If "derp" were a currency, the GOP would still be rich
 
2012-11-13 05:02:43 PM

Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.


It seems like after my friends and I wage war to take over grosse ile, that whether we win or lose there will be an increasingly large amount of gold per person floating around.

Surely my buddies can't be the only group with a semi-serious (serious as in we'll definitely do it if the apocalypse strikes, joke in that none of us expect an apocalypse) plan to take over a defensible area and keep the resources for ourselves.

The second thing to do is to form an alliance with whoever ends up taking over the Ambassador bridge and make some trades of food for ammo. Whether we can grow in strength to sufficiently expand out onto the mainland or not we have no idea. Most likely we'll wait till detroit sets itself on fire and then play it by ear from there. It'd be nice to be able to take over gibraltar and the rest of the coast, but if not then we can stay grosse ile based and just pillage. We are optimistic about the morality of the apocalypse though. We don't plan on raping women or anything like that. Just killing and taking your stuff.

I think that's reasonable.
 
2012-11-13 05:04:02 PM
You could just take the dollars and buy gold and silver, Jerry. Not sure you were aware of this. FDR's ban on gold trade ended a long time ago.
 
2012-11-13 05:06:08 PM

thomps: BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?

i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.


I could go for some scratch and dent snatch.
 
2012-11-13 05:07:33 PM
If the economy tanks your gold won't be worth a tinkers damn, retard.
 
2012-11-13 05:07:56 PM

skullkrusher: You could just take the dollars and buy gold and silver, Jerry. Not sure you were aware of this. FDR's ban on gold trade ended a long time ago.


Maybe he thinks currency will collapse in the 20 minutes from when he gets his check to when he can get it cashed and head over to the precious metals dealer.
 
2012-11-13 05:09:15 PM
Pay him in unrefined ore.
 
2012-11-13 05:11:51 PM

a_room_with_a_moose: Pay him in unrefined ore.


"Sir, we have your paycheck. Can you point us to your smeltery? We have three tons of ore to unload."
 
2012-11-13 05:20:02 PM

quatchi: Now I somehow imagine the floor of the Montana State Senate as having sawdust everywhere with half filled spittoons aplenty.

Prove me wrong.


I'm on my phone, so I don't have the picture from the Capitol handy. We aren't ALL redneck idiots. This guy was an idiot in the House, and now he gets to be a high falutin' idiot Senator!
 
2012-11-13 05:20:58 PM

BSABSVR: skullkrusher: You could just take the dollars and buy gold and silver, Jerry. Not sure you were aware of this. FDR's ban on gold trade ended a long time ago.

Maybe he thinks currency will collapse in the 20 minutes from when he gets his check to when he can get it cashed and head over to the precious metals dealer.


forex is a fickle mistress
 
2012-11-13 05:21:07 PM

Ed Grubermann: If the economy tanks your gold won't be worth a tinkers damn, retard.


I have this shiny metal you can use to make jewelry.

What? You want grain? But JEWELRY!!!!!
 
2012-11-13 05:28:37 PM

Beaver1224: thomps: BSABSVR: thomps: amateur, i've been preparing for the collapse by insisting that i be paid in canned goods, ammo and tight clean pussy for the last few years now. thems the only currency what's gonna matter after obama's done with this joint.

What is the latest tight pussy/dollar conversion rate, anyway?

i dunno, i'm not so good at rationing. i can get you a fairly recent exchange rate for gently used, not-at-all clean pussies though.

Gently used? You've been doing it wrong, methinks.


He's a fighter, not a lover.
 
2012-11-13 05:30:29 PM
Lemme put on my derp filter for this one..

The idea for the gold bugs is that if society collapses, gold will always have some sort of inherent value. As such, it will become the de facto currency. Want a bag of chips, that will be one ounce of gold please!

My in-laws fell into this trap (and they believe every FW:FW:FW e-mal ever, even if it about 2 seconds of Google wizardry to debunk them). I swear, they are good and honest people. They are just so damned conservative that they believe any "liberals bad" sort of argument that it has disabled their bullshiat detectors.

Perfect example: The other day, my FIL was ranting about a transaction tax to my wife. During his rant, I quickly googled it and learned that it was in fact debunked by Snopes a couple of years ago. I don't like getting in the middle of that stuff, because they believe that shiat like a 4 year old believes in Santa Claus and I really do care for these people. I just let it go and let my wife know that the crap they are saying has no basis in reality. As long as I keep her de-derped, it is all good.
 
2012-11-13 05:34:31 PM
I'm not one of those crazy gold-standard people, but I honestly am not sure what this means in the Constitution:

No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts

I think that means that if a state makes its own currency, it must be gold or silver, right? Because one could read it as if a state owes someone money, it must pay them in gold or silver which makes no sense in today's world - you don't see city employees getting paid in gold.

So, any Farkers with GEDs in law care to explain that to me?
 
2012-11-13 05:39:40 PM
I'm not an economics guy but I cannot see how anything could work if we transfer to gold standard. The price of gold an ounce is insane. How would I pay for a gumball? They couldn't dare kick down the price of gold or all the gold investors would riot.
 
2012-11-13 05:42:11 PM
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2012-11-13 05:43:16 PM

Lord Dimwit: I'm not one of those crazy gold-standard people, but I honestly am not sure what this means in the Constitution:

No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts

I think that means that if a state makes its own currency, it must be gold or silver, right? Because one could read it as if a state owes someone money, it must pay them in gold or silver which makes no sense in today's world - you don't see city employees getting paid in gold.

So, any Farkers with GEDs in law care to explain that to me?


that's what it means. States are theoretically allowed to print currency and make it legal tender if and only if that currency is redeemable in gold or silver coins.
Or they can make gold coins legal tender but they can't actually mint them themselves which makes the whole making "tender" sort of pointless.
 
2012-11-13 05:45:53 PM

Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.


And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?
 
2012-11-13 05:45:57 PM

WizardofToast: I'm not an economics guy but I cannot see how anything could work if we transfer to gold standard. The price of gold an ounce is insane. How would I pay for a gumball? They couldn't dare kick down the price of gold or all the gold investors would riot.


We could pin the dollar to a certain weight of gold. Say a dollar is worth 1/1000th of an ounce, for example. That would make a penny 1/100000th of an ounce.
If the US switched to the gold standard it would throw the entire world into turmoil so it isn't going to happen... well amongst other reasons
 
2012-11-13 05:47:19 PM

aevert: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?


with paper currency and low value metal coins acting as "receipts" for gold. Of course that requires some semblance of a banking structure
 
2012-11-13 05:49:41 PM

mediablitz: We aren't ALL redneck idiots.


Some of you are dental floss tycoons?

I keed! I'mma keedder!

I know you guys aren't all Yosemite Sam levels of redneck idiot and on that front Goldbug McBugfark's shenanigans here really aren't helping dispel that negative stereotype caricature AT ALL.

[nothelping]
 
2012-11-13 05:54:05 PM

Ab3: Is this one of those threads where they post pictures of that idiot that turned his skin blue???

I love those...


news.bbc.co.uk
 
2012-11-13 05:54:47 PM
I'd love to see him do this and then watch as the precious metals bubble finally collapses.
 
2012-11-13 06:04:54 PM
No word on if he'll accept beaver pelts, black powder, buffalo robes, etc

If offered, he'd be wise to take them.
 
2012-11-13 06:08:09 PM
Since you can't EAT gold, it's essentially useless should society collapse.
 
Ab3
2012-11-13 06:14:35 PM

UNC_Samurai: Ab3: Is this one of those threads where they post pictures of that idiot that turned his skin blue???

I love those...

[news.bbc.co.uk image 315x180]


Wow.

He really blue himself...
 
2012-11-13 06:15:03 PM
1. Pay it in silver, in one lump sum, out of the blue.
2. Watch the jackass get robbed, and have no recourse.
3. Loss!!!!
 
2012-11-13 06:27:21 PM

Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.


Sure, if things are really, really bad, I doubt any rational person will barter useful things for anything but other useful things (canned goods for ammo, that sort of thing). But after the fall, when some sort of commerce begins to form again, precious metals are likely to become a medium of exchange as they have in every society in history at some point.

Alternatively, if society hasn't collapsed but the currency is suffering from double-digit inflation (or worse, like Wiemar Germany), precious metals will hold onto their value better than currency will. I could indeed see some merchant being happy to accept a gold or silver coin of known weight and composition instead of currency that will lose value if it isn't spent immediately. Also, any hoarded gold and silver could be converted back into currency after the insanity is over, or into the currency of other countries that aren't suffering economic collapse.

In the early days of the USA, a number of other countries' coins were in use in the US. The Dutch Thaler was a popular one, and our "dollar" is named after it. But Spanish "pieces of eight" also saw some use, and of course British pounds. Back when coins were valued according to their metallic content, they had value even if the local government had not issued them.
 
2012-11-13 06:33:01 PM

SixOfDLoC: Since you can't EAT gold, it's essentially useless should society collapse.


It would make pretty good fishing sinkers.
 
2012-11-13 06:49:31 PM
WTF. Only gold (and maybe silver) could be precious. Calling beaver pelts, black powder, buffalo robes precious would be just wrong. My precious.

i49.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-13 06:56:47 PM

aevert: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?


Same way they did it back in the olden days, cut pieces off it. They'd cut a dollar coin into eight pieces, or bits. Hence a quarter is two bits.
 
2012-11-13 07:05:14 PM
It'd be hilarious if the state actually did this, just to watch him eventually have to sell it off to some shady gold-buying place for 60% of it's value to make his mortgage.
 
2012-11-13 07:29:33 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 400x394]

is this the guy in question?


Actually, he looks more like this:

kol.coldfront.net
 
2012-11-13 07:39:11 PM

stevetherobot: aevert: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?

Same way they did it back in the olden days, cut pieces off it. They'd cut a dollar coin into eight pieces, or bits. Hence a quarter is two bits.


Pieces of....eight? You're saying we all need to become pirates again?
 
2012-11-13 07:49:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

I get blank stares every time I ask gold bugs that question.


It's even better if they're not buying the actual gold, but rather something like a gold-based mutual fund. Then you can follow up that question with things like "Okay, so now that we realize you've got no idea if gold will actually be worth anything or how this new economy will work, let's just pretend it's going to be as useful as you think. So now how do you intend to get your hands on this gold you supposedly own? Where's it actually located? How will you get there, being that there isn't any gasoline, and even if there is the gas station won't accept payment with anything but gold, which you don't have in your possession yet? What makes you think that the holder will actually give it up if the rule of law and our society has gone to shiat and it's the only thing that will buy goods? Why would they stay where they are knowing that thousands of panicked, desperate, and most likely armed people will be flooding to them in a state of hysteria? I know I'd just take all the gold and disappear as fast as possible, seeing that you can't tell the difference once you melt it down anyway."

/goldbugs are great
 
2012-11-13 08:25:00 PM

Gyrfalcon: stevetherobot: aevert: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?

Same way they did it back in the olden days, cut pieces off it. They'd cut a dollar coin into eight pieces, or bits. Hence a quarter is two bits.

Pieces of....eight? You're saying we all need to become pirates again?


Arrr, definitely.
 
2012-11-13 08:53:53 PM
THIS is why my in-laws (in Wisconsin) are stocking up on guns and rabbits...
 
2012-11-13 09:36:18 PM
Does he accept Hats and grandfather clocks?
 
2012-11-13 10:24:45 PM

quatchi: Now I somehow imagine the floor of the Montana State Senate as having sawdust everywhere with half filled spittoons aplenty.

Prove me wrong.


Somehow, city boy, I get the feeling your "proof" requirements are going to be along the lines of what the birthers require out of Obama. But do, please, humor me with what your little toy brain would need in order to sort this out.
 
2012-11-13 10:40:01 PM

MontanaDave: quatchi: Now I somehow imagine the floor of the Montana State Senate as having sawdust everywhere with half filled spittoons aplenty.

Prove me wrong.

Somehow, city boy, I get the feeling your "proof" requirements are going to be along the lines of what the birthers require out of Obama. But do, please, humor me with what your little toy brain would need in order to sort this out.


Well, there you have it, sawdust and spittoons.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:46 AM

Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.


You're not going to want gold. You're going to want lead.
 
2012-11-14 12:21:50 AM
OK, so if the sky is falling and the dollar is about to go to hell and we'd all better hoard them gold coins, how come the likes of Goldline are accepting dollars as payment for their gold coins?
 
2012-11-14 12:47:47 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: OK, so if the sky is falling and the dollar is about to go to hell and we'd all better hoard them gold coins, how come the likes of Goldline are accepting dollars as payment for their gold coins?


In God We Trust...all others pay cash.
 
2012-11-14 01:40:42 AM
I'm buying up vintage 1923 Reichmarks for the big collapse.

/Am I doing it Reich?
 
2012-11-14 04:41:44 AM
Payment in silver?

Hm. Would twenty pieces suffice?
 
2012-11-14 08:52:38 AM

Gyrfalcon: stevetherobot: aevert: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

And how in the hell are you supposed to subdivide a gold coin?

Same way they did it back in the olden days, cut pieces off it. They'd cut a dollar coin into eight pieces, or bits. Hence a quarter is two bits.

Pieces of....eight? You're saying we all need to become pirates again?


And yet libs say conservatives have no plan to combat global warming.....
 
2012-11-14 10:20:32 AM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Beaver1224: I am unclear how useful gold will be if the economy (or society) collapses. Will stores will accept gold as currency? Somehow I doubt it.

You're not going to want gold. You're going to want lead.


especially if you're an alchemist
 
2012-11-14 07:43:32 PM
Hellfire!

We just kicked our county's secessionist-gold-crazy nutbag outta the legislature.

I swear--we got us a Hydra o' Crazy here in the Great State of Montana.
 
2012-11-15 12:36:29 AM

quatchi: mediablitz: We aren't ALL redneck idiots.

Some of you are dental floss tycoons?

I keed! I'mma keedder!

I know you guys aren't all Yosemite Sam levels of redneck idiot and on that front Goldbug McBugfark's shenanigans here really aren't helping dispel that negative stereotype caricature AT ALL.

[nothelping]


I attended the "meet the new representatives" luncheon. He was there. I didn't get a chance to talk to him. I really, REALLY wanted to say "so I hear you're really into jewelry". You know, just to start the conversation...
 
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