sprawl15: Secession is unconstitutional. QED.
ciberido: Matt Foley: Perducci: FirstNationalBastard: Give Texas back to Mexico, wait a couple weeks, watch as they beg to return.Problem solved.Or let them try to survive independently. Maybe they can join with Quebec and become some sort of new superpower.The national cuisine would be awesome. Chili Poutine with a maple glazed 20 oz. ribeye.[www.operatorchan.org image 500x375]So hungry now for Téxécoise cuisine.
signaljammer: When Virginia joined the Union it was with the written understanding that they were free to secede.That said, all of this is racism pure and simple. Obama is just a shade to the right of Andrew Jackson.
Gleeman: Because secession worked out so well the last time some states tried it.History books, not just for resting your head...
BgJonson79: More_Like_A_Stain: mark12A: Of course, when the Mexicans take over California, and start agitating for secession, Farkistan will cheer them on as they correct an historic wrong, i.e., Mexico's loss of California to the US..../politically correct disintegration of USA is the best kind of disintegrationSo let me get this straight. Mexicans will endure the hardship and risk of illegally crossing the border presumably in order to build a better life for themselves than they could have in Mexico. And then they will decide that the best way to create that life is to live in Mexico?What makes you think they'd join Mexico? Why not their own country?
Honest Bender: StreetlightInTheGhetto: I think he should just walk into the press room, go behind the podium, pick up the mic, recite Bill Pullman's speech from Independence Day, drop it, and leave. But that's just me.PodiumLectern/TMMK!
doubled99: Why do so many of you have a problem with this? Let em do it.
grimlock1972: Imma be serious on this. if i was the president i would put out a group response to all the succession petitions and close them all down, the response would simply be a cut and paste of the Constitution making succession illegal and nothing else as it doesn't matter how nice you are these nitwits are gonna be pissed with anything short of what the president has no reason or authority to grant.
Gosling: I blogged my response. I'll just link it because, well, first, I get hits that way and ha ha ha, and second, I spare you a tl;dr moment.
Daniels: I think you are vastly overestimating how much of a stomach the remaining US would have for sanctioning them. First of all, current Texans would still be citizens under pretty much every definition of the 14th Amendment so they wouldn't have to apply for visas. Secondly, Congress would be under tremendous economic pressure to add trade treaties for American companies who have clients in Texas. Yes, they would absolutely pull out military assets and contracts would have to be renegotiated. Third, as assholy as the people on Fark are, I don't think most normal people in the country would be OK with the US acting like a spurned boyfriend toward a former state.
ciberido: sodomizer: You go be Democrats in the blue states and try out all your new theories. We'll secede, and then clean up when you implode like your inspiration, the Soviet Union.Oh, you're still here after the election? You're a plucky fella. Shine on, you crazy diamond.Didn't I hear that the red states were largely a net drain on the US economy? You think Texas can make it on its own without the rest of the USA?
Valiente: Dismember the Alamo.
Infernalist: Say what you like but the image of Sherman 'still' scares the hell out of the average southern 'patriot'.
Daniels: FormlessOne: You couldn't have drained the fun out of my satire faster if you'd actually held it underwater and throttled it while screaming in a high-pitched voice about how Kevin Spacey gets all your parts. Honestly, you didn't actually take my post as actual speculation, did you?Not really. I just kinda want to a state to start secession proceedings just to see what happens. I think it would be amusing to watch as long as it's kept to courtrooms.
frunjer: Daniels: FormlessOne: You couldn't have drained the fun out of my satire faster if you'd actually held it underwater and throttled it while screaming in a high-pitched voice about how Kevin Spacey gets all your parts. Honestly, you didn't actually take my post as actual speculation, did you?Not really. I just kinda want to a state to start secession proceedings just to see what happens. I think it would be amusing to watch as long as it's kept to courtrooms.Not being a constitutional lawyer, I think it might go something like:(1) Texas Legislature proposes a state-wide referendum to determine if Texans want independence.(2) IF the referendum passes, the Governor would submit a formal request to the US Congress to reverse the resolution that annexed Texas.(3) IF the House passed a resolution to de-annex Texas (with a tremendous amount of clauses outlining all the financial and relationship issues to be addressed and agreed), the request would go the Senate,(4) IF the Senate accepted the resolution it would go to the President (with whatever amendments they wanted)(5) IF the President signed the bill, hilarity (and a great deal of WTF do we do now) would ensue(6) There would be a national Fark Party on Sixth Street (as Austin would be a US enclave inside Texas).Texan by the way, pro-independence as well. So go ahead Farkers, I await your Nobel-worthy responses.//not going to happen, but thanks for playing.
wildcardjack: phritz: Also we should carpet bomb Dallas. Just in general, I mean, whether they secede or not.Actually, if you could nail the freeways on the south side of downtown, where I-35E, I-30, US75 and I-45 get all jumbled because it was hip to run major freeways next to downtowns in the 1950's, we could finally get those redone in a fashion that works. Maybe get things so the through traffic goes down Loop12 to I-20 back to I-35E instead of through the downtown.If you hit Frisco while you're at it we could use some help with our infestation of Californians.But if you hit Lakewood or Oak Cliff we'd lose the old neighborhoods and have nothing but McMansions rebuilt in their place.
Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.
TheBigJerk: ciberido: Didn't I hear that the red states were largely a net drain on the US economy? You think Texas can make it on its own without the rest of the USA?Interestingly, Texas is one of the few red states with a decent chance and making it as an Independent. Already a donor state, their oil and oil infrastructure (refineries) combined with large amounts of trade with Mexico would provide sizable wealth. Further the trade that currently goes THROUGH Texas would have to re-route or (presumably) pay nominal fees for transit, and that includes both International trade from the southern nations and interstate trade that is most easily routed through Texas' rail and highway system.
rufus-t-firefly: The response should just be a photo of Gen. Sherman.
tallen702: So, seeing as how you are declaring your intent to secede by signing one of these petitions, does that mean you're renouncing your citizenship? And if so, what does that mean for question j on form 4473? Link. Wouldn't be surprised to find out that the people who signed these petitions don't realize they just gave Barry and the BATFE a list of people who technically won't pass their NICS check anymore.....
Nuc_E: I thought Texas could secede without consequence at any time. Ask any "real" Texan and they will tell you that.
whidbey: Pretty sure that wouldn't even cover most highway/road repairs.Try again.
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