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2012-11-13 03:13:18 PM
Meanwhile, in texas...

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-13 03:14:14 PM

shender: What in the world is wrong with you people?


it's fark - our reaction to somebody getting tazed is either proclaiming the presence of jackbooted brownshirts with badges or trumpeted as a clarion call to shock the shiat out of anybody that litters. a circumcision thread will bring comparisons to joseph mengele, a lady taking a picture of a streetlight will turn into thousands of posts of confusion, mockery, and the absolute goofiest shiat one could contemplate.

fark is where people let their id off the leash to wander around and hump the furniture. that isn't what's wrong with us, that's what is right with us.
 
2012-11-13 03:15:42 PM
If a state wants to leave I think they should be allowed to do so. No union or country for that matter is going to last forever.

That said the current issue is merely one of election butt-hurt. I don't think they are really serious about wanting out but trying to embarrass Obama.

Last one out gets stuck with the debt!
 
2012-11-13 03:19:40 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: pxsteel: This could get dicey really fast.

Not as fast as it would be over.


I don't actually believe that such a prop would pass. However, Texas controls about 85% of the petroleum production for the US, also something like 1/3 of the Fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. If it did get on the ballot, I would not take it lightly.
 
2012-11-13 03:21:05 PM
Wow, I wonder how many states threatened to secede when Bush got re-elected?
 
2012-11-13 03:21:55 PM

pxsteel: More_Like_A_Stain: pxsteel: This could get dicey really fast.

Not as fast as it would be over.

I don't actually believe that such a prop would pass. However, Texas controls about 85% of the petroleum production for the US, also something like 1/3 of the Fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. If it did get on the ballot, I would not take it lightly.


I bet you thought Romney would win big too.
 
2012-11-13 03:22:25 PM

gunther_bumpass: Hebalo: Perducci: FirstNationalBastard: Give Texas back to Mexico, wait a couple weeks, watch as they beg to return.

Problem solved.

Or let them try to survive independently. Maybe they can join with Quebec and become some sort of new superpower.

Sure, nothing Texans like better than people who won't speak English, and think they're better than you. They'll get along famously.

They'll be fine - there will be a great trade of potato, cheese, and gravy recipes and much rejoicing.


Aw HELL naw!

FYI, although many of my fellow Quebecois are nationalist idjits, they're also for the most part hard left nationalist idjits. Quebec is easily the most left-wing province in Canada, overall. Add in the strong sentiment of English language superiority you get in Texas (you know, "English as official language") from the same people who would want to separate, and you're looking at a response more akin to "mortal enemy" rather than "let's join forces".
 
2012-11-13 03:22:33 PM
Oil, ports, etc. If they convinced Louisiana to join them, that's like 40% of the US maritime shipping traffic by tonnage via New Orleans, Houston, and Port Arthur. Congress would have an awful lot of constituents who want their shipping to continue uninterrupted pressuring them to make the transition seamless as possible. There's also telecoms who won't want to lose 30 million paying customers, sports teams who won't want to break up their leagues, and foreign shipping interests who will have something to say.

If you think Texas could go without the rest of the country feeling it, you're fooling yourselves. Doesn't mean they can't, just that it's not a simple surgery.
 
2012-11-13 03:23:20 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: pxsteel: More_Like_A_Stain: pxsteel: This could get dicey really fast.

Not as fast as it would be over.

I don't actually believe that such a prop would pass. However, Texas controls about 85% of the petroleum production for the US, also something like 1/3 of the Fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. If it did get on the ballot, I would not take it lightly.

I bet you thought Romney would win big too.


WTF are you talking about?
 
2012-11-13 03:23:55 PM
Imma be serious on this. if i was the president i would put out a group response to all the succession petitions and close them all down, the response would simply be a cut and paste of the Constitution making succession illegal and nothing else as it doesn't matter how nice you are these nitwits are gonna be pissed with anything short of what the president has no reason or authority to grant.
 
2012-11-13 03:24:24 PM

Daniels: Oil, ports, etc. If they convinced Louisiana to join them, that's like 40% of the US maritime shipping traffic by tonnage via New Orleans, Houston, and Port Arthur. Congress would have an awful lot of constituents who want their shipping to continue uninterrupted pressuring them to make the transition seamless as possible. There's also telecoms who won't want to lose 30 million paying customers, sports teams who won't want to break up their leagues, and foreign shipping interests who will have something to say.

If you think Texas could go without the rest of the country feeling it, you're fooling yourselves. Doesn't mean they can't, just that it's not a simple surgery.


Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.
 
2012-11-13 03:24:41 PM

KiltedBastich: FYI, although many of my fellow Quebecois are nationalist idjits, they're also for the most part hard left nationalist idjits. Quebec is easily the most left-wing province in Canada, overall. Add in the strong sentiment of English language superiority you get in Texas (you know, "English as official language") from the same people who would want to separate, and you're looking at a response more akin to "mortal enemy" rather than "let's join forces".


think of it in terms of texas being Jack Klugman and quebec being Tony Randall.
 
2012-11-13 03:24:49 PM

sethen320: Philip Francis Queeg: pxsteel: More_Like_A_Stain: pxsteel: This could get dicey really fast.

Not as fast as it would be over.

I don't actually believe that such a prop would pass. However, Texas controls about 85% of the petroleum production for the US, also something like 1/3 of the Fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. If it did get on the ballot, I would not take it lightly.

I bet you thought Romney would win big too.

WTF are you talking about?


I'm guessing somebody got caught being "concerned."
 
2012-11-13 03:26:14 PM
Everyone sign the petition, ok?
 
2012-11-13 03:26:52 PM

grimlock1972: Imma be serious on this. if i was the president i would put out a group response to all the succession petitions and close them all down, the response would simply be a cut and paste of the Constitution making succession illegal and nothing else as it doesn't matter how nice you are these nitwits are gonna be pissed with anything short of what the president has no reason or authority to grant.


If you were president I would hope you knew the difference between succession and secession.

I'm not picking on you, it's just a peeve. The word has been used extensively throughout the thread.
 
2012-11-13 03:27:41 PM

FormlessOne: They have two choices:
1. Become a new country, separate from the United States and Mexico, or;
2. Become part of another country, like Mexico.

The latter option would be impossible for Texans to swallow; they worked so hard to steal that land in the first place, after all. So, it'd have to be the former.

Imagine the fun inherent in that option. We'd have to put up a border fence around Texas, to prevent Texans from illegally immigrating into the United States. They would have to work out a government that couldn't piss off either the United States or Mexico, because they wouldn't have either on which to depend. They would have to figure out a self-sustaining economy.

heir cluelessness, both domestically and internationally, would result in some form of conflict - Texas would finally be a whole 'nother country, and in short order, one under embargo.

As the only land access to Texas would be through either the United States or Mexico, and without a navy of their own, well, it wouldn't take much to guarantee that such an embargo would make Iraq's decade-long embargo seem like a field day by comparison.


The inevitable result is that either the United States or Mexico would reclaim Texas in a short conflict. If the United States was forced to reclaim Texas, we'd probably treat it as a federal territory, similar to Guam - Texans would lose their right to vote, and would no longer be U.S. citizens.
Texas passports would contain the phrase, "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN." Texans would not be able to destroy public schooling, or screw up elections, or make idiotic proclamations that would be taken seriously by real U.S. citizens. Texas would become as relevant as, well, Puerto Rico - heck, even less so, as we may end up making Puerto Rico a state soon.

Texas out, Puerto Rico in. I could live with that.
.


That's a well thought out scenario for something that will never happen, but you left out 1 thing. Texas oil and gas production means your fuel prices at least double over night, which means every good and service price increases and the dollar is going to drop on the open market further deteriorating buying power. So enjoy that.
 
2012-11-13 03:27:53 PM

grimlock1972: Imma be serious on this. if i was the president i would put out a group response to all the succession petitions and close them all down, the response would simply be a cut and paste of the Constitution making succession illegal and nothing else as it doesn't matter how nice you are these nitwits are gonna be pissed with anything short of what the president has no reason or authority to grant.


I do agree with you though, nothing is going to satisfy the dumbasses.
 
2012-11-13 03:29:26 PM

jaybeezey: FormlessOne: They have two choices:
1. Become a new country, separate from the United States and Mexico, or;
2. Become part of another country, like Mexico.

The latter option would be impossible for Texans to swallow; they worked so hard to steal that land in the first place, after all. So, it'd have to be the former.

Imagine the fun inherent in that option. We'd have to put up a border fence around Texas, to prevent Texans from illegally immigrating into the United States. They would have to work out a government that couldn't piss off either the United States or Mexico, because they wouldn't have either on which to depend. They would have to figure out a self-sustaining economy.

heir cluelessness, both domestically and internationally, would result in some form of conflict - Texas would finally be a whole 'nother country, and in short order, one under embargo.

As the only land access to Texas would be through either the United States or Mexico, and without a navy of their own, well, it wouldn't take much to guarantee that such an embargo would make Iraq's decade-long embargo seem like a field day by comparison.


The inevitable result is that either the United States or Mexico would reclaim Texas in a short conflict. If the United States was forced to reclaim Texas, we'd probably treat it as a federal territory, similar to Guam - Texans would lose their right to vote, and would no longer be U.S. citizens.
Texas passports would contain the phrase, "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN." Texans would not be able to destroy public schooling, or screw up elections, or make idiotic proclamations that would be taken seriously by real U.S. citizens. Texas would become as relevant as, well, Puerto Rico - heck, even less so, as we may end up making Puerto Rico a state soon.

Texas out, Puerto Rico in. I could live with that.
.

That's a well thought out scenario for something that will never happen, but you left out 1 thing. Texas oil ...


In the end though, the chance of any of this happening is 0%.
 
2012-11-13 03:31:45 PM

whidbey: sethen320: Philip Francis Queeg: pxsteel: More_Like_A_Stain: pxsteel: This could get dicey really fast.

Not as fast as it would be over.

I don't actually believe that such a prop would pass. However, Texas controls about 85% of the petroleum production for the US, also something like 1/3 of the Fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. If it did get on the ballot, I would not take it lightly.

I bet you thought Romney would win big too.

WTF are you talking about?

I'm guessing somebody got caught being "concerned."


I guess I missed something. It just looked like the response had nothing to do with the initial statement.
 
2012-11-13 03:31:51 PM

KiltedBastich: gunther_bumpass: Hebalo: Perducci: FirstNationalBastard: Give Texas back to Mexico, wait a couple weeks, watch as they beg to return.

Problem solved.

Or let them try to survive independently. Maybe they can join with Quebec and become some sort of new superpower.

Sure, nothing Texans like better than people who won't speak English, and think they're better than you. They'll get along famously.

They'll be fine - there will be a great trade of potato, cheese, and gravy recipes and much rejoicing.

Aw HELL naw!

FYI, although many of my fellow Quebecois are nationalist idjits, they're also for the most part hard left nationalist idjits. Quebec is easily the most left-wing province in Canada, overall. Add in the strong sentiment of English language superiority you get in Texas (you know, "English as official language") from the same people who would want to separate, and you're looking at a response more akin to "mortal enemy" rather than "let's join forces".


Such negativity on the eve of the Great Deep-Fried Poutine Summit.
 
2012-11-13 03:32:16 PM

heap: shender: What in the world is wrong with you people?

it's fark - our reaction to somebody getting tazed is either proclaiming the presence of jackbooted brownshirts with badges or trumpeted as a clarion call to shock the shiat out of anybody that litters. a circumcision thread will bring comparisons to joseph mengele, a lady taking a picture of a streetlight will turn into thousands of posts of confusion, mockery, and the absolute goofiest shiat one could contemplate.

fark is where people let their id off the leash to wander around and hump the furniture. that isn't what's wrong with us, that's what is right with us.


Well said, that.
 
2012-11-13 03:32:29 PM

hatelabs: The state of Texas shall continue to pay the US government until their current debt is paid off, the USA will allow Texas to pay this debt off in installments with a 9.8% APR.


Texas is one of the few states that actually gives more than it receives. Try a little harder with the basic facts.
 
2012-11-13 03:32:37 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.

A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.

There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.
 
2012-11-13 03:33:37 PM
"Thank you for submitting a petition to whitehouse.gov. Your petition succeeded in passing the 25,000 signature mark that requires a response from White House representatives. Unfortunately your petition requests an action that is not currently allowed by the United States Constitution. If you wish to pursue a Constitutional amendment to allow for such actions, please reference Article V of the US Constitution for the process required. Thank you for participating in our petitioning process."
 
2012-11-13 03:35:53 PM

Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.

A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.

There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.


Would it be worth it though? Seems like a whole lot of trouble just to get away from a president who won't be a problem anymore in a few years. If you look at it, it's a pretty extreme solution to a temporary problem.
 
2012-11-13 03:36:41 PM
FormlessOne: The inevitable result is that either the United States or Mexico would reclaim Texas in a short conflict. If the United States was forced to reclaim Texas, we'd probably treat it as a federal territory, similar to Guam - Texans would lose their right to vote, and would no longer be U.S. citizens.

Texas passports would contain the phrase, "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN." Texans would not be able to destroy public schooling, or screw up elections, or make idiotic proclamations that would be taken seriously by real U.S. citizens. Texas would become as relevant as, well, Puerto Rico - heck, even less so, as we may end up making Puerto Rico a state soon.


It's unlikely the USG would be able to strip citizenship unless each person took an oath to Texas. If citizenship was granted by an act of the legislature, it probably wouldn't fall under the "strip citizenship because you took an oath to a foreign nation." Texas would have no reason to form a military, since there's a zero percent chance the US would let them be invaded by a hostile nation.
 
2012-11-13 03:39:52 PM
This is interesting.
 
2012-11-13 03:41:12 PM

Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.

A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.

There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.


No sanctions, just normal tariffs. Perhaps if Texas shows itself to be a reliable trading partner we could co9insider letting them into NAFTA in a few decades.

Of course the Federal Government would withdraw all assets from Texas, including military assets. As a potentially hostile nation on our border, it wouldn't be wise to allow US arms manufacturers to sell to them. Of course companies based in Texas would be considered no different than any foreign company when it comes to bidding on government contracts. Citizens of the new Sovereign nation who worked in other states would be welcome to apply for Visas. Perhaps we'd even. allow a few Texans to attend US universities as foreign exchange students.
 
2012-11-13 03:43:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.

A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.

There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.

No sanctions, just normal tariffs. Perhaps if Texas shows itself to be a reliable trading partner we could co9insider letting them into NAFTA in a few decades.

Of course the Federal Government would withdraw all assets from Texas, including military assets. As a potentially hostile nation on our border, it wouldn't be wise to allow US arms manufacturers to sell to them. Of course companies based in Texas would be considered no different than any foreign company when it comes to bidding on government contracts. Citizens of the new Sovereign nation who worked in other states would be welcome to apply for Visas. Perhaps we'd even. allow a few Texans to attend US universities as foreign exchange students.


US arms manufacturers do business with other countries.
 
2012-11-13 03:44:01 PM
I blogged my response. I'll just link it because, well, first, I get hits that way and ha ha ha, and second, I spare you a tl;dr moment.
 
2012-11-13 03:45:30 PM

sufferpuppet: If a state wants to leave I think they should be allowed to do so. No union or country for that matter is going to last forever.

That said the current issue is merely one of election butt-hurt. I don't think they are really serious about wanting out but trying to embarrass Obama.

Last one out gets stuck with the debt!


If they win the war for their survival, they can. Texas won't. They can't. Maybe instead we can just encourage the would-be traitors to bolder words and action so that we might hang them and be done with it.
 
2012-11-13 03:45:45 PM
Here's hoping the response is,

My fellow Americans, not only are we more than happy to let you secede, we're going to give you to Mexico.

Mexico has everything you want in a state: a state religion and language, effective one-party rule, low taxes, extensive corporatism, few "job-killing" regulations, and the government stays out of its citizens' way in all the ways you want government to stay out of citizens' way. So what if it's a sham democracy ran by a group of plutocratic families and drug cartels enjoying a state of perpetual warfare. That's what you guys want, isn't it? That's a small price to pay for small government and big liberty.

In the decade it will take your state to inevitable devolve into one giant, cancerous and disgusting brownfield riddled with the burnt-out wreckage of drug cartel warfare, we will be fortifying our borders with concrete walls topped with concertina wire, and posting armed guards and flying drones. When -- not if, when -- you clowns that are right now wandering around with poorly-spelled signs and teabags stapled to your $200 colonist costumes and American flag Zubaz attempt to sneak across the border looking for jobs that have security and labor protection, and government bennies, we will open fire to protect our sovereignty.

In that decade we'll probably also have gotten pretty good at cloning people, so if you keep up the stupid shiat we will clone William T. Sherman and introduce him to nuclear weapons. So think long and hard about your decision to secede, because that's a one-way ticket, assholes.

Thank you, and bless America.
 
2012-11-13 03:47:23 PM

Corvus: MrPenny: This is what happens when regular Internet dwellers stumble onto something like this....

*what a hoot.....I'll sign this for the lulz...."

We need ones making fun of the Tea Party people like.


Petition to make people who say to follow the Constitution read what actually is in the Constitution and have them realize secession is not in there.


They'd first have to go back to elementary school to learn basic reading comprehension.
 
2012-11-13 03:47:37 PM
sethen320: Would it be worth it though? Seems like a whole lot of trouble just to get away from a president who won't be a problem anymore in a few years. If you look at it, it's a pretty extreme solution to a temporary problem.

Probably not... unless you think the federal government is too far away from the state's values and don't see it reversing course any time soon.

Philip Francis Queeg: No sanctions, just normal tariffs. Perhaps if Texas shows itself to be a reliable trading partner we could co9insider letting them into NAFTA in a few decades.

Of course the Federal Government would withdraw all assets from Texas, including military assets. As a potentially hostile nation on our border, it wouldn't be wise to allow US arms manufacturers to sell to them. Of course companies based in Texas would be considered no different than any foreign company when it comes to bidding on government contracts. Citizens of the new Sovereign nation who worked in other states would be welcome to apply for Visas. Perhaps we'd even. allow a few Texans to attend US universities as foreign exchange students.


I think you are vastly overestimating how much of a stomach the remaining US would have for sanctioning them. First of all, current Texans would still be citizens under pretty much every definition of the 14th Amendment so they wouldn't have to apply for visas. Secondly, Congress would be under tremendous economic pressure to add trade treaties for American companies who have clients in Texas. Yes, they would absolutely pull out military assets and contracts would have to be renegotiated. Third, as assholy as the people on Fark are, I don't think most normal people in the country would be OK with the US acting like a spurned boyfriend toward a former state.
 
2012-11-13 03:49:13 PM

Gosling: I blogged my response. I'll just link it because, well, first, I get hits that way and ha ha ha, and second, I spare you a tl;dr moment.


I see where you're going in you post, but I somewhat disagree. I will concede that there is most definitely a racial component (possibly even the majority), but that's not the only problem. There are people who (right or wrong) actually do not agree with the President's position on certain issues. To discount that is disregarding an important fact. People all think differently. What one person sees as right another sees as wrong. That's human nature. To use a broad brush and paint everyone who disagrees as racist is as effective as signing a secession petition.
 
2012-11-13 03:50:26 PM

sethen320: Philip Francis Queeg: Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Of course all those issues go both ways. If you think Texas could go without being absolutely devastated economically, you are fooling yourselves.

A lot would depend on how coonty the US decided to be. If the US decided to apply crippling economic sanctions, which I don't know if the rest of the country would have the stomach for, it would be really hard. If they decided to just treat them like an EU-type neighbor, they'd be generally OK.

There is no reason to believe Texas could not survive as a country after a few very difficult transition years. They have oil, agriculture, infrastructure, functioning cities, and healthy shipping industry. They would have a tremendous amount of difficulty transitioning out of the federal government's budget. And then they would probably be fine.

No sanctions, just normal tariffs. Perhaps if Texas shows itself to be a reliable trading partner we could co9insider letting them into NAFTA in a few decades.

Of course the Federal Government would withdraw all assets from Texas, including military assets. As a potentially hostile nation on our border, it wouldn't be wise to allow US arms manufacturers to sell to them. Of course companies based in Texas would be considered no different than any foreign company when it comes to bidding on government contracts. Citizens of the new Sovereign nation who worked in other states would be welcome to apply for Visas. Perhaps we'd even. allow a few Texans to attend US universities as foreign exchange students.

US arms manufacturers do business with other countries.


Yes, with Allies, not hostile nations. A recently seceded Texas could not possibly be counted on as a dependable ally. I;'mm sure they will be able to provide for their own defense needs. If they can't, oh well, it would be sad. The US might have to militarily intervene like we have been known to in Caribbean and Latin American countries.
 
2012-11-13 03:53:07 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, with Allies, not hostile nations. A recently seceded Texas could not possibly be counted on as a dependable ally. I;'mm sure they will be able to provide for their own defense needs. If they can't, oh well, it would be sad. The US might have to militarily intervene like we have been known to in Caribbean and Latin American countries.

And we'd have even less of a stomach for occupying Texas with the military. It was easier to put down rebellion with the army before TV.
 
2012-11-13 03:53:59 PM

sethen320: I see where you're going in you post, but I somewhat disagree. I will concede that there is most definitely a racial component (possibly even the majority), but that's not the only problem. There are people who (right or wrong) actually do not agree with the President's position on certain issues. To discount that is disregarding an important fact. People all think differently. What one person sees as right another sees as wrong. That's human nature. To use a broad brush and paint everyone who disagrees as racist is as effective as signing a secession petition.


They're not all 100% racist. I'll grant you that much. But I wager enough are that I feel comfortable in using the brush. I'm sure some members of the Tea Party are reasonable people who wouldn't raise their voice to anyone and simply strongly disagree with the direction of the nation. But those people are not the driving factor and everyone knows it.
 
2012-11-13 03:56:30 PM

khyberkitsune: hatelabs: The state of Texas shall continue to pay the US government until their current debt is paid off, the USA will allow Texas to pay this debt off in installments with a 9.8% APR.

Texas is one of the few states that actually gives more than it receives. Try a little harder with the basic facts.


There's more than one kind of debt, also it's pretty widely accepted that Texas cooks their books pretty hard. Also (and this is the really important part) it was a joke Francis.
 
2012-11-13 03:56:59 PM

Daniels: I think you are vastly overestimating how much of a stomach the remaining US would have for sanctioning them. First of all, current Texans would still be citizens under pretty much every definition of the 14th Amendment so they wouldn't have to apply for visas. Secondly, Congress would be under tremendous economic pressure to add trade treaties for American companies who have clients in Texas. Yes, they would absolutely pull out military assets and contracts would have to be renegotiated. Third, as assholy as the people on Fark are, I don't think most normal people in the country would be OK with the US acting like a spurned boyfriend toward a former state.


Citizens? I'm sure the patriots of the newly sovereign nation Texas would reject any benefits of Citizenship from the oppressive United Sates Government they just so bravely seceded from. Surely they could not want the benefits of citizenship without any of the responsibilities. I'm sure the noble people of Texas are not as hypocritical as you make them out to be. Nope, they would be no more citizens of the United States than any other foreign power. They will not be having their cake while eating it too. They will stand or fall based on their own resources, having rejected membership in the Union.
 
2012-11-13 04:00:24 PM

Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, with Allies, not hostile nations. A recently seceded Texas could not possibly be counted on as a dependable ally. I;'mm sure they will be able to provide for their own defense needs. If they can't, oh well, it would be sad. The US might have to militarily intervene like we have been known to in Caribbean and Latin American countries.

And we'd have even less of a stomach for occupying Texas with the military. It was easier to put down rebellion with the army before TV.


True. best to leave them to fend for themselves against whatever hostile groups they might have to contend with. We will just fortify the border to ensure that the bloodshed doesn't spill over and to keep the refugees out.
 
2012-11-13 04:02:22 PM

super_grass: You say that like the White House will actually respond to the petition with something meaningful.

Remember the petition asking for marijuana legalization?


Yes I do. They let someone like the DEA write the response.

And the one calling for the TSA to be dissolved? Yeah they let the director of the TSA write that response. Well no shizz, I know why THAT GUY thinks his department should be saved, but we're dealing in reality here folks.
 
2012-11-13 04:03:33 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: Citizens? I'm sure the patriots of the newly sovereign nation Texas would reject any benefits of Citizenship from the oppressive United Sates Government they just so bravely seceded from. Surely they could not want the benefits of citizenship without any of the responsibilities. I'm sure the noble people of Texas are not as hypocritical as you make them out to be. Nope, they would be no more citizens of the United States than any other foreign power. They will not be having their cake while eating it too. They will stand or fall based on their own resources, having rejected membership in the Union.

Do you feel this way about all expatriates? Or just the ones who don't agree with you?

Bottom line... if Texas left, and the citizens of Texas kept filing a 1040 with the IRS and didn't take up arms against the US... they'd all still be citizens of the US. So would their children. Just like every citizen of the US who lives in some other country.
 
2012-11-13 04:07:23 PM

Daniels: FormlessOne: The inevitable result is that either the United States or Mexico would reclaim Texas in a short conflict. If the United States was forced to reclaim Texas, we'd probably treat it as a federal territory, similar to Guam - Texans would lose their right to vote, and would no longer be U.S. citizens.

Texas passports would contain the phrase, "THE BEARER IS A UNITED STATES NATIONAL AND NOT A UNITED STATES CITIZEN." Texans would not be able to destroy public schooling, or screw up elections, or make idiotic proclamations that would be taken seriously by real U.S. citizens. Texas would become as relevant as, well, Puerto Rico - heck, even less so, as we may end up making Puerto Rico a state soon.

It's unlikely the USG would be able to strip citizenship unless each person took an oath to Texas. If citizenship was granted by an act of the legislature, it probably wouldn't fall under the "strip citizenship because you took an oath to a foreign nation." Texas would have no reason to form a military, since there's a zero percent chance the US would let them be invaded by a hostile nation.


You couldn't have drained the fun out of my satire faster if you'd actually held it underwater and throttled it while screaming in a high-pitched voice about how Kevin Spacey gets all your parts. Honestly, you didn't actually take my post as actual speculation, did you?
 
2012-11-13 04:09:42 PM

Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: Citizens? I'm sure the patriots of the newly sovereign nation Texas would reject any benefits of Citizenship from the oppressive United Sates Government they just so bravely seceded from. Surely they could not want the benefits of citizenship without any of the responsibilities. I'm sure the noble people of Texas are not as hypocritical as you make them out to be. Nope, they would be no more citizens of the United States than any other foreign power. They will not be having their cake while eating it too. They will stand or fall based on their own resources, having rejected membership in the Union.

Do you feel this way about all expatriates? Or just the ones who don't agree with you?

Bottom line... if Texas left, and the citizens of Texas kept filing a 1040 with the IRS and didn't take up arms against the US... they'd all still be citizens of the US. So would their children. Just like every citizen of the US who lives in some other country.


What exactly would be the point of secession BE if the Texans are going to continue paying all Federal taxes and obeying all Federal laws?
 
2012-11-13 04:10:09 PM
FormlessOne: You couldn't have drained the fun out of my satire faster if you'd actually held it underwater and throttled it while screaming in a high-pitched voice about how Kevin Spacey gets all your parts. Honestly, you didn't actually take my post as actual speculation, did you?

Not really. I just kinda want to a state to start secession proceedings just to see what happens. I think it would be amusing to watch as long as it's kept to courtrooms.
 
2012-11-13 04:13:41 PM
Philip Francis Queeg: What exactly would be the point of secession BE if the Texans are going to continue paying all Federal taxes and obeying all Federal laws?

In general? Self-determination? The right of the governance by consent of the governed? You know, founding principles of the US and all.
 
2012-11-13 04:14:38 PM
Let them go and take on Pureto Rico. That way we don't have to change the number of stars on the flag.
 
2012-11-13 04:15:55 PM

CygnusDarius: Infernalist: As said before, go ahead and pull out all national forces, claim as much federal property as possible, drone-strike the bridges and highways at the borders and give Mexico the go-ahead to reclaim Tejas.

Just a thought.

Before you do this, you must remove anyone that is not an insane, racist right-wing GOP militant, and children. Once you do, and enforce all what you just said, Mexico will issue that Texas is now a state-wide prison territory for drug cartels (there's no death penalty in Mexico, except within the ranks of the military).

It's a win-win.


So Texans get to do what Mexico doesn't have the conjones to do and they get to hunt big game while they're at it?
It is a win-win!
 
2012-11-13 04:16:24 PM

Daniels: Philip Francis Queeg: What exactly would be the point of secession BE if the Texans are going to continue paying all Federal taxes and obeying all Federal laws?

In general? Self-determination? The right of the governance by consent of the governed? You know, founding principles of the US and all.


They would actually be denying them selves self -determination if they continued to pay taxes to a country they were no longer a part of. They would be taxed without representation.
 
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