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2012-11-13 06:50:00 PM

shooosh: BronyMedic: shooosh: whargarbl

Back at ya buddy.


You're not taking this seriously anymore. Why should I?

Let's cut to the chase. I've seen the way you've been eyeing me in these threads. It's making me uncomfortable.
 
2012-11-13 07:01:04 PM

BronyMedic: shooosh: BronyMedic: shooosh: whargarbl

Back at ya buddy.

You're not taking this seriously anymore. Why should I?

Let's cut to the chase. I've seen the way you've been eyeing me in these threads. It's making me uncomfortable.


Just taze him when he reaches for his hose
 
2012-11-13 07:36:34 PM

BronyMedic: shooosh: BronyMedic: shooosh: whargarbl

Back at ya buddy.

You're not taking this seriously anymore. Why should I?

Let's cut to the chase. I've seen the way you've been eyeing me in these threads. It's making me uncomfortable.


In the pucker up and run like hell way, or in the "harder, harder, harder" way?

You're not a 13 year old girl are you? I don't need any more of that shiat. Biatch wouldn't shut up and kept making those fish lips.
 
2012-11-13 07:39:54 PM

BronyMedic: shooosh: BronyMedic: shooosh: whargarbl

Back at ya buddy.

You're not taking this seriously anymore. Why should I?

Let's cut to the chase. I've seen the way you've been eyeing me in these threads. It's making me uncomfortable.


Or you're an FBI agent. How you doin'?
 
2012-11-13 08:20:40 PM

MycroftHolmes: shooosh: MycroftHolmes: And it is highly improbably that the amount of water delivered by the garden hose had any effect on the fire.

Right, It appears that he saved his house. He didn't let the fire spread.

More likely that his house would not have caught on fire in the first place. I doubt his rock actually repelled any tigers.


www.faucetdepot.com
 
2012-11-13 08:41:13 PM

BronyMedic: According to the articleshiat I pulled out of my ass, he was in the danger zone of the fire trying to protect his freaking fence from igniting based on radiant exposure, despite repeated attempts by officers to get him to stay the fark back. With a garden hose.


FTFY.

Asking 1 is not a "repeated attempt".
 
2012-11-13 08:48:42 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, just the first third or so, and I've never sprayed water in the vicinity of a structural fire. I certainly make no claims at expertise nor special brilliance. But, somehow, I feel pretty confident I can figure out when I'm too hot.
 
2012-11-13 09:06:53 PM

halB: 2) A fireman would know that this man, on his own property, was not in any danger. How exactly would a collapsing structure hurt him when he's on a different piece of property, behind a fence.


He got smoke inhalation. That means he was too close. Furthermore, what if it fails by falling over because the supports burned through?

3) A fireman would know that soaking the fence with a garden hose would be enough to stop the fire from spreading to the fence, or at least slow it down enough to where the fire on the fence wouldn't spread to the house before the firemen arrived.

And how exactly is he supposed to wet the side that would catch fire?

I won't fault a guy for trying if he can do so safely. This guy didn't.
 
2012-11-13 09:32:34 PM
To BronyMedic....

In this case it sounds like the first responders were morally, if not legaly in the wrong. I have strong dubts about the legality of the actions taken by the first responders in this case.

It's terrifying that you claim to be a first responder yourself. Your attitude and disrespect of the general public leaves me saddened. I have to say that after reading this thread from start to finish I will think twice about contacting the authorities for anything lest I encounter a "first responder" as unthinking, unfeeling, and officous as yourself and the officers presented in this article.
 
2012-11-13 10:17:53 PM

BronyMedic: And this is the heart of the matter. This right here. You honestly think we don't want people to fend for themselves sometimes?


Yes, it endangers your overtime.

There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.

I imagine these Officers were doing the right thing by make sure the amateurs were restrained and everyone waited for the professionals?
 
2012-11-13 10:40:59 PM

fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.


But, but.. professionals! Respect mah authoriteh! You gotta do what I say! PROFESSIONAL!!1!

t.qkme.me
 
2012-11-13 11:45:44 PM
BronyMedic I have never seen anybody suck cop dick like you, and I once saw an all gay police officer dance and blowjob review.
 
2012-11-13 11:57:00 PM

AgentPothead: BronyMedic I have never seen anybody suck cop dick like you, and I once saw an all gay police officer dance and blowjob review.


Liar.

Everyone knows gay men aren't allowed to be Police Officers. Well, maybe now with the repeal of don't ask don't tell.
 
2012-11-14 02:03:18 AM

redmid17: BronyMedic: shooosh: BronyMedic: shooosh: whargarbl

Back at ya buddy.

You're not taking this seriously anymore. Why should I?

Let's cut to the chase. I've seen the way you've been eyeing me in these threads. It's making me uncomfortable.

Just taze him when he reaches for his hose


Do you get it? It's a joke about touching his penis while still referencing the relevant conflict of the thread.

/do you get it?
 
2012-11-14 05:29:40 AM

fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.


I'm calling bullshiat.

No, really. I am. Do you have a link?
 
2012-11-14 05:36:01 AM

Scarlioni: To BronyMedic....

In this case it sounds like the first responders were morally, if not legaly in the wrong. I have strong dubts about the legality of the actions taken by the first responders in this case.

It's terrifying that you claim to be a first responder yourself. Your attitude and disrespect of the general public leaves me saddened. I have to say that after reading this thread from start to finish I will think twice about contacting the authorities for anything lest I encounter a "first responder" as unthinking, unfeeling, and officous as yourself and the officers presented in this article.


That's nice.

For pointing out that a man was endangering his life, and the lives of others around him, and trying to point out WHY what he did was a bad idea using photographic evidence, I've been ridiculed, called a troll/fraud, accused of two misdemeanors in the State of Tennessee in this thread, and personally insulted, and one poster has accused me of being willing to cover up for the police beating a disabled man and throwing him down a flight of stairs. I've also been accused of being homosexual, which for some reason has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

So please. Feel free to go fark yourself. Thanks.
 
2012-11-14 08:41:22 AM

BronyMedic: For pointing out that a man was endangering his life, and the lives of others around him, and trying to point out WHY what he did was a bad idea using photographic evidence, I've been ridiculed, called a troll/fraud, accused of two misdemeanors in the State of Tennessee in this thread, and personally insulted, and one poster has accused me of being willing to cover up for the police beating a disabled man and throwing him down a flight of stairs. I've also been accused of being homosexual, which for some reason has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.


Shoulda followed my advice upthread.
 
2012-11-14 09:29:47 AM

BronyMedic: Scarlioni: To BronyMedic....

In this case it sounds like the first responders were morally, if not legaly in the wrong. I have strong dubts about the legality of the actions taken by the first responders in this case.

It's terrifying that you claim to be a first responder yourself. Your attitude and disrespect of the general public leaves me saddened. I have to say that after reading this thread from start to finish I will think twice about contacting the authorities for anything lest I encounter a "first responder" as unthinking, unfeeling, and officous as yourself and the officers presented in this article.

That's nice.

For pointing out that a man was endangering his life, and the lives of others around him, and trying to point out WHY what he did was a bad idea using photographic evidence, I've been ridiculed, called a troll/fraud, accused of two misdemeanors in the State of Tennessee in this thread, and personally insulted, and one poster has accused me of being willing to cover up for the police beating a disabled man and throwing him down a flight of stairs. I've also been accused of being homosexual, which for some reason has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

So please. Feel free to go fark yourself. Thanks.


I have no idea what triggered the vitriol that you recieved. Your responses have been informed, measured, and correct. Nearest I can figure is that you triggered a very primal response in some people by implying that there are times when they are not in charge and that sometimes they should listen to what the big bad police man says, even if it's not what they want to do.

Brony, feel reassured that there are a lot of people out there who appreciate what you do as a medic and appreciate your contributions to these threads.
 
2012-11-14 11:53:40 AM

BronyMedic: fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.

I'm calling bullshiat.

No, really. I am. Do you have a link?


I notice you didn't answer my question.

And no, I don't have a link. COPS is a copyrighted TV show and I'm not going to risk jail to prove a point. Besides, I doubt it's really popular enough to be Torrented. It was about 15 years ago if that helps.
 
2012-11-14 11:57:22 AM

fnordfocus: BronyMedic: fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.

I'm calling bullshiat.

No, really. I am. Do you have a link?

I notice you didn't answer my question.

And no, I don't have a link. COPS is a copyrighted TV show and I'm not going to risk jail to prove a point. Besides, I doubt it's really popular enough to be Torrented. It was about 15 years ago if that helps.


It would be a civil fine, not jail time
 
2012-11-14 12:17:38 PM

fnordfocus: BronyMedic: fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.

I'm calling bullshiat.

No, really. I am. Do you have a link?

I notice you didn't answer my question.

And no, I don't have a link. COPS is a copyrighted TV show and I'm not going to risk jail to prove a point. Besides, I doubt it's really popular enough to be Torrented. It was about 15 years ago if that helps.


He did answer your question. He basically said that the event did not go down as you described. If it did, it would have been very newsworthy (especially if it was recorded). Do not take the fact that he will not try and explain the actions of officers in a vaguely described and undocumented incident should not be taken as points for your argument at all.

I saw a this guy once who was hurt and a cop showed up and performed open heart surgery right there and saved his life by transplanting his own heart into the chest of the victim. I suppose if cops were as bad as you think, this would never happen.
 
2012-11-14 12:33:18 PM

MycroftHolmes: Do not take the fact that he will not try and explain the actions of officers in a vaguely described and undocumented incident should not be taken as points for your argument at all.


He has no problem jumping to the defense of cops in vaguely described incidents and making up a narrative that supports his defense.
 
2012-11-14 01:31:03 PM

liam76:
He has no problem jumping to the defense of cops in vaguely described incidents and making up a narrative that supports his defense.


Go read through the thread here. There is enough photographic evidence in it, and contradictory information, to make a judgement based on training and experience that was the reason why they removed this guy.

I did not pretend to say I was there. I presented an explanation based on available information. And I was throughly personally attacked for it.

That's beside the point. No less than five people have called me a fraud and a liar, which is a crime in my State. I've been accused of lying and misrepresenting my credentials as a firefighter and paramedic.

I have been accused of being abusive to my patients, and willing to cover up police brutality against a disabled man because I'm "one of them". I have been accused of only doing what I do for the money, and not caring about anyone.

That's completely uncalled for, and that's why I've been rude to people in this thread. That goes beyond "I disagree with you", that's vile.
 
2012-11-14 01:35:21 PM

fnordfocus: BronyMedic: fnordfocus: There was an episode of COPS many years back where bystanders were treating a gunshot victim -- pressure on the wound with a towel, seemed to be working and the victim was alert. Then the Officers showed up and made them stop. By the time EMTs arrived he had essentially bled out and they said there was nothing they could do.

I'm calling bullshiat.

No, really. I am. Do you have a link?

I notice you didn't answer my question.

And no, I don't have a link. COPS is a copyrighted TV show and I'm not going to risk jail to prove a point. Besides, I doubt it's really popular enough to be Torrented. It was about 15 years ago if that helps.


Bullshiat. I'm calling you out over it. First, COPS would not have aired that 15 years ago due to S&P of the networks at the time.

Second.

No trained person is going to pull someone holding pressure on a gunshot wound off them and let someone bleed out, unless they are under fire, or at immediate life risk and can't take the patient with them due to being trapped.

Even then, an extremity tourniquet or chest wound dressing takes all of 10 seconds, and is under fire care according to tactical casualty care/basic tactical first aid.

So bullshiat.
 
2012-11-14 03:01:03 PM

BronyMedic: liam76:
He has no problem jumping to the defense of cops in vaguely described incidents and making up a narrative that supports his defense.

Go read through the thread here. There is enough photographic evidence in it, and contradictory information, to make a judgement based on training and experience that was the reason why they removed this guy.


You made the claim about him being in the "danger zone" before you had the pictures (or at least before anyone posted them). You didn't couch your response there in terms of a "judgement" you were speaking as if it were fact.


BronyMedic: I did not pretend to say I was there. I presented an explanation based on available information. .


No. You stated something that you had no knowledge of as if it were fact to support the police.


BronyMedic: And I was throughly personally attacked for it


Some of the attacks may have been overboard but when you go out on a limb making bold claims about what happened with no proof, as if they were fact, and refuse to acknowledge that, I can see where the bootlicker claims come from.
 
2012-11-14 06:06:54 PM

BronyMedic: No trained person is going to pull someone holding pressure on a gunshot wound off them and let someone bleed out, unless they are under fire, or at immediate life risk and can't take the patient with them due to being trapped.


I agree it would have been easy to treat the victim, but it was presumably another "NHI" incident. Officers don't generally consider civilians to be "someone," so their interest is "controlling the scene" rather than saving a life they don't value anyway.

And, by the way, copyright violation is definitely a criminal offense if committed using a computer network. 17 USC 506 carries a likely three-year sentence.
 
2012-11-14 06:12:46 PM

fnordfocus: BronyMedic: No trained person is going to pull someone holding pressure on a gunshot wound off them and let someone bleed out, unless they are under fire, or at immediate life risk and can't take the patient with them due to being trapped.

I agree it would have been easy to treat the victim, but it was presumably another "NHI" incident. Officers don't generally consider civilians to be "someone," so their interest is "controlling the scene" rather than saving a life they don't value anyway.

And, by the way, copyright violation is definitely a criminal offense if committed using a computer network. 17 USC 506 carries a likely three-year sentence.


17 USC 506 only applies if you're doing it commercially or for financial gain, neither of which are at stake here. There's a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are suing thousands of people in civil court and virtually no one outside of Kim Dotcom-level players are being arrested for it.
 
2012-11-14 06:17:45 PM

redmid17: 17 USC 506 only applies if you're doing it commercially or for financial gain, neither of which are at stake here. There's a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are suing thousands of people in civil court and virtually no one outside of Kim Dotcom-level players are being arrested for it.


That's only one of three options. Under (a)(1)(C) it also applies if you distribute a commercial work using a computer network. I would imagine that torrenting a TV show would count.
 
2012-11-14 06:33:48 PM

fnordfocus: redmid17: 17 USC 506 only applies if you're doing it commercially or for financial gain, neither of which are at stake here. There's a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are suing thousands of people in civil court and virtually no one outside of Kim Dotcom-level players are being arrested for it.

That's only one of three options. Under (a)(1)(C) it also applies if you distribute a commercial work using a computer network. I would imagine that torrenting a TV show would count.


If you can find a single case that's been prosecuted where the person wasn't trying to make money off of it, I'll give you a dollar.
 
2012-11-14 06:47:04 PM

redmid17: If you can find a single case that's been prosecuted where the person wasn't trying to make money off of it, I'll give you a dollar.


I can't find one, I don't have access to those databases.

But if everyone on Fark is as well-connected as they claim, I wouldn't put it past someone to prosecute me out of spite.
 
2012-11-14 06:50:41 PM

fnordfocus: redmid17: If you can find a single case that's been prosecuted where the person wasn't trying to make money off of it, I'll give you a dollar.

I can't find one, I don't have access to those databases.

But if everyone on Fark is as well-connected as they claim, I wouldn't put it past someone to prosecute me out of spite.


That's a defamatory statement. I will file suit now.
 
2012-11-14 06:53:39 PM

redmid17: But if everyone on Fark is as well-connected as they claim, I wouldn't put it past someone to prosecute me out of spite.

That's a defamatory statement. I will file suit now.



Almost to subtle, but clever.

I expect you'll wait until tomorrow unless you're in Hawaii.
 
2012-11-15 03:35:13 AM

fnordfocus: redmid17: If you can find a single case that's been prosecuted where the person wasn't trying to make money off of it, I'll give you a dollar.

I can't find one, I don't have access to those databases.

But if everyone on Fark is as well-connected as they claim, I wouldn't put it past someone to prosecute me out of spite.


Dude. I've had two separate FARKers try to take things IRL because I argued with them.

Anyone who does that needs a kick in the ass
 
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