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(PC Magazine)   Six intriguing features in BlackBerry 10 which still aren't Intriguing enough to persuade the users into buying the phones anymore   (pcmag.com) divider line 71
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2012-11-13 10:34:11 AM
For those who don't care to read this advertisement that is masquerading as a slide show that is pretending to be an article:

6. BlackBerry hub - a sort of meta inbox

5. BlackBerry flow - RIM describes this as "a seamless user experience which provides full control and flexibility in every moment and every touch. Flow keeps the momentum going so that user goals can be achieved quick and efficiently". It also means that apps work in a consistent manner. (whatever that means)

4. Time Shift - takes a bunch of pictures in a short period of time, then displays them in a radial menu so you can pick the one you want.

3. The keyboard - "The keyboard suggests words based on predictions, and when the user swipes the words upwards they nicely animate to the text field where they will end up. It's a nice moment of charm and gives BlackBerry 10 a unique input experience," according to RIM.

2. BlackBerry Balance - This feature allows users to use their BlackBerry 10 device for work and personal use, with the ability to firewall both areas of the device. It also allows for remote management, like wiping company data, if ordered by your IT manager.

1. FIPS approval - RIM said BlackBerry 10 has reached FIPS 140-2 certification, which means government agencies can deploy BlackBerry devices after the OS is released. This is the first time a BlackBerry OS has been certified before its launch.
 
2012-11-13 11:07:33 AM
This is the sound of Rim's death rattle.
 
2012-11-13 11:08:05 AM
Does it still require the IT department to install and maintain special software on the email server? If so, you still fail miserably. Too much overhead required.
 
2012-11-13 11:11:05 AM
DOA. Too little, too late.

Even the government is dumping RIM.
 
2012-11-13 11:25:07 AM
Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding. I do know they're still very popular up here, and strangely enough particularly with kids. My 16 year old cousin and all her friends have BB's.

I'll be sticking with windows phone. Smooth UI is priority for me. Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it, and Apple is just made up of the worst people on earth.
 
2012-11-13 11:28:05 AM
Aren't all of those except maybe FIPS available on android?
 
2012-11-13 11:33:33 AM

Edward Rooney Dean of Students: Aren't all of those except maybe FIPS available on android?


Android and iOS still aren't securable to government or big industry standards. From a 'there are national secrets or billions in corporate secrets potentially accessibly via this phone' perspective, they're toys. Toys that everyone, including the IT managers making the calls, REALLY REALLY want, but still toys. The day a securable Android or iOS phone comes out, sell your RIM shares stat, because they'll be dead less than 6 months later.

That being said, the Balance and FIPS are both important, good upgrades. A lot of guys I work with carry 2 phones - their personal iPhone, and their work BlackBerry. Balance might cut down on some of that; if they can use the free work BB for personal stuff, it's more likely they will. Yeah, iOS has a lot more features, but in my experience 'free' beats almost anything.

FIPS is good because it means it cuts a lot of the red tape out. You can start using it immediately.

The rest of this stuff...is fluff. Although the photo thing is a nifty little idea.
 
2012-11-13 11:50:04 AM

sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it


Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?
 
2012-11-13 12:01:32 PM

HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?


Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing
 
2012-11-13 12:04:57 PM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


Can't say I've ever used a GS3, but having gone through a G2 and a One S, I haven't experienced any of that. Well, I did have some freezes on the G2, when I was running some very dodgy beta community roms, and my One S's battery life isn't quite what I'd like it to be, but other than that, not a thing. Perhaps your wife's phone is defective?
 
2012-11-13 12:06:04 PM
All it takes is one of the other three main mobile OSes (iOS, Android, Windows Phone 8) getting certified and that thing is toast.
 
2012-11-13 12:07:19 PM
Best part? If you have a Blackberry infrastructure, you have to install an entire new server to support Blackberry 10 devices.

Yep, you heard right. You have to have a Blackberry Enterprise Server for your pre-Blackberry 10 devices, and a "Blackberry Mobile Fusion" server for all your post-10 devices.

My company will not be deploying that, and we're going to decommission all our current Blackberry servers due to this stupid change.

Peace out!
 
2012-11-13 12:08:54 PM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


Yawn. Get a Nexus 4. Cheaper, better, smoother.
 
2012-11-13 12:09:33 PM

Rent Party: Too little, too late.


That pretty well sums it up.

I've been using employer-provided BBs for years, and they're really not bad phones. Great keyboard for typing long emails. But if I need to do anything web-related (Poynt, maps, search), I'll reach for my wife's Samsung whenever possible. The BB is painfully slow at those tasks.
 
2012-11-13 12:10:18 PM

HeartBurnKid: Perhaps your wife's phone is defective?


Possibly. But to be honest, it's less of a pain to sell it and go with what she likes, rather than have to call, wait 30 mins for an agent, set them up to fix it, send it away, her be without a phone for 3 weeks, get some refurbished thing back, etc.

Google tells me the texting this is common, that alone is enough that I wouldn't want one. I use my phone for work and personal life. I would not want a... candid text to my wife heading to my VP or something.
 
2012-11-13 12:12:46 PM

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Yawn. Get a Nexus 4. Cheaper, better, smoother.


Yes that's right. One Android device being a piece of junk? Well the obvious solution is to, buy another one!

That would be the definition of the word 'sucker'. I'm sorry you lost your money and want others to as well to make you feel better.

/I know the Nexus is native Android only
//Scruffy don't care
 
2012-11-13 12:18:07 PM

sure haven't: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Yawn. Get a Nexus 4. Cheaper, better, smoother.

Yes that's right. One Android device being a piece of junk? Well the obvious solution is to, buy another one!

That would be the definition of the word 'sucker'. I'm sorry you lost your money and want others to as well to make you feel better.

/I know the Nexus is native Android only
//Scruffy don't care


Sorry you had an isolated bad experience. Androids are better devices than iPhones.

Maybe some day iPhones will catch back up? I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:35 PM

sure haven't: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Yawn. Get a Nexus 4. Cheaper, better, smoother.

Yes that's right. One Android device being a piece of junk? Well the obvious solution is to, buy another one!


Again, there's millions out there that aren't. Your wife's is probably defective. Nice of you to pawn her headaches off on someone else, BTW.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:07 PM
Put it in a Lumina 920 body?
 
2012-11-13 12:26:53 PM

HeartBurnKid: Nice of you to pawn her headaches off on someone else, BTW.


Huh?? To whom am I pawning, and how?

We're getting her an iPhone. She had an iphone before the GS3, and wants one again because android is a buggy mess. I don't understand your comment.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:19 PM

ManOfTeal: Does it still require the IT department to install and maintain special software on the email server? If so, you still fail miserably. Too much overhead required.


BES is probably the best thing RIM has going for them! It's pretty damn easy to use too.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:46 PM

Lego_Addict: ManOfTeal: Does it still require the IT department to install and maintain special software on the email server? If so, you still fail miserably. Too much overhead required.

BES is probably the best thing RIM has going for them! It's pretty damn easy to use too.


This.

Buddy of mine is bringing over the two new devices tonight so I can try them out. The videos have seemed promising, and I need a replacement for my Pearl 3G... soon...
 
2012-11-13 12:50:23 PM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: Nice of you to pawn her headaches off on someone else, BTW.

Huh?? To whom am I pawning, and how?

We're getting her an iPhone. She had an iphone before the GS3, and wants one again because android is a buggy mess. I don't understand your comment.


You said you're selling your GS3 to buy her an iPhone. Your buggy, probably-defective GS3.
 
2012-11-13 01:07:05 PM

Lego_Addict: ManOfTeal: Does it still require the IT department to install and maintain special software on the email server? If so, you still fail miserably. Too much overhead required.

BES is probably the best thing RIM has going for them! It's pretty damn easy to use too.


It is also a buggy irritating piece of crap that sucks to administer.
 
2012-11-13 01:40:54 PM

sure haven't: Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing




As an owner of an iPhone 5 work phone (their preference, not mine), here's the list off the top of my head with my experience thus far:
- Apps crash VERY frequently, resulting in data loss
- Every free app is a "lite" version crippled with ads or limited functionality, due to Apple's app policies
- Emails don't always sync properly, causing "time conflicts" with our enterprise server, requiring action to view them again in Outlook (gets old fast)
- Phone sound quality sounds awful compared to my old BB storm (which was bad enough itself)
- Case scratches extremely easily, one week in and it looked 2 years old already
- No way to just reply to the single sender in a group text message
- Battery life seems ok for 'normal' use, but drains very fast with GPS still (like every other phone/gps)

So, I'd strongly recommend against going with an iPhone 5, but...given this was just my anecdotal experience, I'm sure you'll just disregard it (like I would do with your wife's experience).
 
2012-11-13 02:13:09 PM

FarkGrudge: sure haven't: Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing



As an owner of an iPhone 5 work phone (their preference, not mine), here's the list off the top of my head with my experience thus far:
- Apps crash VERY frequently, resulting in data loss
- Every free app is a "lite" version crippled with ads or limited functionality, due to Apple's app policies
- Emails don't always sync properly, causing "time conflicts" with our enterprise server, requiring action to view them again in Outlook (gets old fast)
- Phone sound quality sounds awful compared to my old BB storm (which was bad enough itself)
- Case scratches extremely easily, one week in and it looked 2 years old already
- No way to just reply to the single sender in a group text message
- Battery life seems ok for 'normal' use, but drains very fast with GPS still (like every other phone/gps)

So, I'd strongly recommend against going with an iPhone 5, but...given this was just my anecdotal experience, I'm sure you'll just disregard it (like I would do with your wife's experience).


Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.
 
2012-11-13 02:16:37 PM

TheTrashcanMan: Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.


Excuse me, I've been told over and over again that Apple "just works", and if you need to actually learn how to use something, that something is poorly designed and obviously not an Apple product.
 
2012-11-13 02:21:17 PM
FTA:"PCMag's Damon Poeter found some other nifty features that he liked: the ability to move the green focus box around the field when preparing to take a shot, for example, which seemed like a handy little solution for those times when the automated focus tool gets confused. There's also a picture mode called Time Shift that basically snaps a bunch of quick pictures of your subject, then generates a radial menu that you can scroll through to find the shot you want-great for capturing that perfect expression on a squirmy subject, like a baby, for example."

So the focus thing is something that digital cameras and phones have had for years, and Time Shift is something my HTC One X has done since it was introduced six months ago, and most likely others did that earlier?
 
2012-11-13 02:23:19 PM

HeartBurnKid: TheTrashcanMan: Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.

Excuse me, I've been told over and over again that Apple "just works", and if you need to actually learn how to use something, that something is poorly designed and obviously not an Apple product.


That's why there are five minute videos on Youtube showing iPhone owners how to set a song as a ringtone (without having to buy the ringtone from iTunes) while my HTC Desire and HTC One X I pick any song, click Menu and click Set As Ringtone....
 
2012-11-13 02:26:22 PM

sure haven't: Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding. I do know they're still very popular up here, and strangely enough particularly with kids. My 16 year old cousin and all her friends have BB's.

I'll be sticking with windows phone. Smooth UI is priority for me. Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it, and Apple is just made up of the worst people on earth.


i love my bb. i hear ya on all the hate, why so hateful...haters??
 
2012-11-13 02:27:07 PM

HeartBurnKid: TheTrashcanMan: Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.

Excuse me, I've been told over and over again that Apple "just works", and if you need to actually learn how to use something, that something is poorly designed and obviously not an Apple product.


Well my personal opinion is that you have to learn how the Apple platform works in general then everything does just kinda "work." If you have been using PC based computers/phones all of your life, there will be a difference, and that difference usually leads to a lot of biotching.
 
2012-11-13 02:32:43 PM
BES is easy to use? Maybe 4.X and prior. We upgraded to 5 and it has been a complete PITA. I'd go further but they want a few thousand bucks in upgrade fees and we only have 3 BB phones in service. Yes I could build up yet another new server and install BES lite, but I really don't feel like it.

BES 5 is lovely because it is web only. But of course it won't run on the web site on the server itself. It has to run on a separate system using IE 7 in compatibility mode, or something similarly silly.
 
2012-11-13 03:02:08 PM

TheTrashcanMan: Well my personal opinion is that you have to learn how the Apple platform works in general then everything does just kinda "work."


You mean, it's like every other platform ever?
 
2012-11-13 03:10:05 PM

sure haven't: Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding.



RIM's problem is that they failed to see the future. Back in the first days of 1G or 2G data (and to a lesser extent 3G) data rates were too slow for much more than email and texting. And BB was king of these things. My neighbor (who was in sales) had one back in the day. He'd be able to talk to his clients, boss, and colleges anywhere. I can't count the number of times we'd be out (even on the weekend) he'd get a call or email from a client, answer it, forward along some info and go back to doing what he was doing. Client loved him; he was available all the time. They loved being able to get intouch (even if only by email...and get a response in 10 minutes..it made my friend look like a big damn hero)

What apple and android recognized was: what is great for business is not great for consumers. youtube, internet browsing, Facebook, games/apps, that is what "the people" want. Big screens, no buttons, not great for business...but good enough.

But BB kept chugging along, making their "business" phones, figuring they at least had locked up the business segment. Right until CEOs decided they wanted their iphones/andoird to be their business phones.

CSB; this happened at my wife's work. The company was set up for blackberries and the CEOs (or someone pretty high up) had just got an iphone and was like, "I want my iphone as my business phone." The tech people said, "well, we're sort of set up for blackberries....we could get you set up with one of those in like 15 minutes" CEO said, "That's nice...so figure out how to set up my iphone as my business phone. I just got and want to use that." And behold...the tech guys figured it out...
 
2012-11-13 03:41:22 PM
None of those are intriguing even a little.
 
2012-11-13 03:45:46 PM

KFBR392: sure haven't: Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding.


RIM's problem is that they failed to see the future.


It's even worse than that. They saw it, and were contemptuously dismissive of it.

Predictions of the completely out of touch...

RIM died from acute hubris.
 
2012-11-13 03:51:03 PM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


As an owner of a one and a half year old HTC Evo 3D, I can say I've experienced none of those, except for occasional app crashing and freezing. Obviously texts arrive late when I'm in a bad/no service area, but the text is placed in the correct part of the conversation.

I have two coworkers that have a GS3 and both upgraded from an iPhone. I've talked with them a decent amount about it since I'm considering upgrading to that myself, and both say they love it and have no complaints.

Off subject, does anyone have any feedback on AT&T or T-Mobiles HSPA+ network? Contract with Sprint is up soon and the Nexus 4 looks pretty awesome and cheap.
 
2012-11-13 03:52:54 PM

FarkGrudge: As an owner of an iPhone 5 work phone (their preference, not mine), here's the list off the top of my head with my experience thus far:
- Apps crash VERY frequently, resulting in data loss
- Every free app is a "lite" version crippled with ads or limited functionality, due to Apple's app policies
- Emails don't always sync properly, causing "time conflicts" with our enterprise server, requiring action to view them again in Outlook (gets old fast)
- Phone sound quality sounds awful compared to my old BB storm (which was bad enough itself)
- Case scratches extremely easily, one week in and it looked 2 years old already
- No way to just reply to the single sender in a group text message
- Battery life seems ok for 'normal' use, but drains very fast with GPS still (like every other phone/gps)


Well luckily she doesn't need her phone for work, she uses cases, she's familiar with the iphone apps already, and isn't a power user, doesn't use her phone really for calls. Mostly texting/surfing.

Good to know though, we've been reading that the reviews of the iphone 5 aren't very good.
 
2012-11-13 03:54:33 PM

wholedamnshow: As an owner of a one and a half year old HTC Evo 3D, I can say I've experienced none of those, except for occasional app crashing and freezing. Obviously texts arrive late when I'm in a bad/no service area, but the text is placed in the correct part of the conversation.

I have two coworkers that have a GS3 and both upgraded from an iPhone. I've talked with them a decent amount about it since I'm considering upgrading to that myself, and both say they love it and have no complaints.


Well maybe it just needs a hard reset, or is actually a bad one.
Nonetheless, Android just ain't her thing, she just likes the simplicity of the Apple way (tm).
 
2012-11-13 03:57:48 PM

KFBR392: RIM's problem is that they failed to see the future. Back in the first days of 1G or 2G data (and to a lesser extent 3G) data rates were too slow for much more than email and texting. And BB was king of these things. My neighbor (who was in sales) had one back in the day. He'd be able to talk to his clients, boss, and colleges anywhere. I can't count the number of times we'd be out (even on the weekend) he'd get a call or email from a client, answer it, forward along some info and go back to doing what he was doing. Client loved him; he was available all the time. They loved being able to get intouch (even if only by email...and get a response in 10 minutes..it made my friend look like a big damn hero)

What apple and android recognized was: what is great for business is not great for consumers. youtube, internet browsing, Facebook, games/apps, that is what "the people" want. Big screens, no buttons, not great for business...but good enough.

But BB kept chugging along, making their "business" phones, figuring they at least had locked up the business segment. Right until CEOs decided they wanted their iphones/andoird to be their business phones.

CSB; this happened at my wife's work. The company was set up for blackberries and the CEOs (or someone pretty high up) had just got an iphone and was like, "I want my iphone as my business phone." The tech people said, "well, we're sort of set up for blackberries....we could get you set up with one of those in like 15 minutes" CEO said, "That's nice...so figure out how to set up my iphone as my business phone. I just got and want to use that." And behold...the tech guys figured it out...


A Consumer products vs Business products thing. Interesting.
Thanks for the write-up, much appreciated.

Also, that link about quotes is interesting too. "camera phones will be rejected" is idiotic looking back... sheesh...
 
2012-11-13 04:02:07 PM
wholedamnshow:Off subject, does anyone have any feedback on AT&T or T-Mobiles HSPA+ network? Contract with Sprint is up soon and the Nexus 4 looks pretty awesome and cheap.

Can't speak for everyone's experience, but between Central CA, San Diego, Las Vegas, and Phoenix I've had numerous issues with AT&T's HPSA+ on my work phone, and a few of my friends in the Los Angeles area recently bailed from both AT&T and T-Mobile to Verizon after getting tired of 'borrowing' my phone's hotspot connectivity in areas where they couldn't reliably get 1x signal. Even with AT&T-supplied boosters inside the building, I get better LTE signal than the work phone does HPSA+.
 
2012-11-13 04:07:00 PM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: Perhaps your wife's phone is defective?

Possibly. But to be honest, it's less of a pain to sell it and go with what she likes, rather than have to call, wait 30 mins for an agent, set them up to fix it, send it away, her be without a phone for 3 weeks, get some refurbished thing back, etc.

Google tells me the texting this is common, that alone is enough that I wouldn't want one. I use my phone for work and personal life. I would not want a... candid text to my wife heading to my VP or something.


I text all the time on my Razr, never had an issue. I've seen some buggy apps, but the phone itself has worked pretty flawlessly for me.
 
2012-11-13 04:16:53 PM
Actually I plan on buying one

Why? Because although my iPhone 5 is impressive for its size, I'm tired of it. I've had Androids, and like my Android tablet, but what I need is a good, reliable phone -- my BlackBerry 8830 was the best phone I've ever had.

Honestly, there's only one thing I can do with my iPhone (now that Apple Maps is installed) that I enjoy and that's using ballistic software made by my scope manufacturer to adjust for bullet drop and wind. But meh, I can work that out in my head if I really need to.

the itunes store is loaded with crappy applications and millions of video games, same with the google play store... so, while the phones themselves are extremely capable, they're only as good as the apps that run on them.

I've just decided that I'd rather settle for an awesome phone and quit expecting either of the two stores to improve.
 
2012-11-13 04:25:30 PM
Blackberries are great. I don't need a phone full of useless "games" that are usually just "build a (insert random food)" or "check back in 8 hours!". I don't need to haphazardly tap at a flat screen to type what I want or have a phone larger than a plate, and I can honestly say I have never had the hankering to watch a show or movie so bad that I couldn't wait til I was in front of a watchable TV. I just want something that securely allows me to text, talk and surf the web with actual buttons so I can quickly type what I actually want to say and my 9900 has provided that for me in spades(best keyboard I've ever seen on a phone). Looks great, works great, I don't understand all the hate. When did phones become worse than sports teams?
 
2012-11-13 04:27:45 PM

whistleridge: Android and iOS still aren't securable to government or big industry standards. From a 'there are national secrets or billions in corporate secrets potentially accessibly via this phone' perspective, they're toys. Toys that everyone, including the IT managers making the calls, REALLY REALLY want, but still toys. The day a securable Android or iOS phone comes out, sell your RIM shares stat, because they'll be dead less than 6 months later.


In most corporations and government agencies - iPhone and iPads can and are being managed exactly like blackberries and are being 'trusted' with 'corporate secrets'. This has been true for at least three years now. And Android devices are being supported more and more due to sandbox based application deployment (i.e. good technologies). And RIM? Its dead. There is no future for it. It will either go bankrupt or be bought and broken apart. Anyone who has any clue in this industry has known that for years. So feel free to continue to talk about "toys" - the rest of us have already moved on.
 
2012-11-13 04:31:38 PM

sure haven't: Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


I've actually had some of those problems with the texts. My battery life is generally fine, but here are some of the problems I've had with my stock Samsung Galaxy S2:

-freezing and crashing - this was a huge problem with Google Chrome (don't know why) once I upgraded to ICS. Dolphin Browser was also terrible and would crash at least once per day until I upgraded to the latest version.

-disappearing autocorrect. I'd be typing something and then the autocorrect menu would just disappear, so if I was trying to type in something slightly abnormal, or even if the predictive text predicted a word I didn't want to use, I couldn't change it unless I restarted the phone. This is probably the worst bug that I have had to deal with as it makes typing effectively impossible.

-takes FOREVER to re-establish a data connection when I emerge from a tunnel. This doesn't always happen, and indeed now seems to be a rare occurrence, but when I get off the subway, I would routinely have to restart the phone in order to re-establish a data connection. I know it's not a network problem because my wife, on the same network with a different device, never had this problem.

Generally, I've been a bit disappointed with this device. I might look into a Windows phone once this contract expires or when I'm eligible for an upgrade.
 
2012-11-13 04:40:45 PM
It's good don't worry.

I just got back from RIM offices a couple of hours ago to see a preview of the new BES and BB10.

RIM has this one in the bag... honestly, they've got some nice stuff there. Some things that no other device offers and other things where they've finally caught up.

Oh.. yeah so their new web browser is incredible.... HUGE focus to make the best/fastest mobile browser and they're even looking at making it comparable or better to Chrome or FireFox on the desktop. 484 +11 points on html5test.com

very very impressed after what I saw and heard today but anyting actually exciting I can't mention cause I'm under NDA!
 
2012-11-13 04:54:32 PM

Cooper420: It's good don't worry.

I just got back from RIM offices a couple of hours ago to see a preview of the new BES and BB10.


Hi Thorsten,

White Kniteing BB10 isn't going to help you any more. You're not the only one that's seen it, and the fact is that what this phone will do is place you nicely in the middle of the pack, but without the massive developer community or applications that make ecosystems like this work.

It could be the most innovative phone you've ever built and it isn't going to matter because the market left you behind five years ago.


Oh.. yeah so their new web browser is incredible.... HUGE focus to make the best/fastest mobile browser and they're even looking at making it comparable or better to Chrome or FireFox on the desktop. 484 +11 points on html5test.com


Again? This is like, what, the third time that they've invented the "best mobile browser evar!!!!"

Here is another reason you are going to fail. Your steadfast refusal to allow a third party browser on the phone is killing you. RIMs browser is notoriously shiat. There's no credibility there. Open the platform and let people use whatever browser they want.

That's kinda the point of Android and iPhone, and why people use it.
 
2012-11-13 04:59:08 PM

whistleridge: For those who don't care to read this advertisement that is masquerading as a slide show that is pretending to be an article:

6. BlackBerry hub - a sort of meta inbox

5. BlackBerry flow - RIM describes this as "a seamless user experience which provides full control and flexibility in every moment and every touch. Flow keeps the momentum going so that user goals can be achieved quick and efficiently". It also means that apps work in a consistent manner. (whatever that means)

4. Time Shift - takes a bunch of pictures in a short period of time, then displays them in a radial menu so you can pick the one you want.

3. The keyboard - "The keyboard suggests words based on predictions, and when the user swipes the words upwards they nicely animate to the text field where they will end up. It's a nice moment of charm and gives BlackBerry 10 a unique input experience," according to RIM.

2. BlackBerry Balance - This feature allows users to use their BlackBerry 10 device for work and personal use, with the ability to firewall both areas of the device. It also allows for remote management, like wiping company data, if ordered by your IT manager.

1. FIPS approval - RIM said BlackBerry 10 has reached FIPS 140-2 certification, which means government agencies can deploy BlackBerry devices after the OS is released. This is the first time a BlackBerry OS has been certified before its launch.



6. Blackberry hub is always running, it's a little menu that slides in from the left which shows all of your 'communication' stuff. Mail, BBM, Linkedin, Facebook etc. Mail is built in, it's no longer an app.

5.It allows for you to move from one thing to another, without the use of buttons or "task switching" through different apps. Saw a demo today, I LOVE IT. People who are focused on productivity will love it.

4. Time Shift... it's neat, it's been done but this is a different way of doing it. The demo was very nice and fluid on this one.

3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.

2. Balance almost allows for a sandbox between work and personal life. This is very, very nice for businesses supporting BYOD or their own deployed devices. More will come in 2013 to sandbox iOS and Android devices for work use.

1. FIPS approval matters for government and some high security businesses... this doesn't really have any bearing on consumers or SMB's
 
2012-11-13 05:02:18 PM

Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.


Ok that is genius, and is sorely needed everywhere. I hope Miscrosoft steals it :D

Cooper420: 5.It allows for you to move from one thing to another, without the use of buttons or "task switching" through different apps. Saw a demo today, I LOVE IT. People who are focused on productivity will love it.


Could you elaborate? This sounds intriguiging. But if it's not app switching, then... what is it?
 
2012-11-13 05:03:08 PM

Rent Party: Cooper420: It's good don't worry.

I just got back from RIM offices a couple of hours ago to see a preview of the new BES and BB10.


Hi Thorsten,

White Kniteing BB10 isn't going to help you any more. You're not the only one that's seen it, and the fact is that what this phone will do is place you nicely in the middle of the pack, but without the massive developer community or applications that make ecosystems like this work.

It could be the most innovative phone you've ever built and it isn't going to matter because the market left you behind five years ago.


Oh.. yeah so their new web browser is incredible.... HUGE focus to make the best/fastest mobile browser and they're even looking at making it comparable or better to Chrome or FireFox on the desktop. 484 +11 points on html5test.com


Again? This is like, what, the third time that they've invented the "best mobile browser evar!!!!"

Here is another reason you are going to fail. Your steadfast refusal to allow a third party browser on the phone is killing you. RIMs browser is notoriously shiat. There's no credibility there. Open the platform and let people use whatever browser they want.

That's kinda the point of Android and iPhone, and why people use it.


Their browser was built on HTML5..... You can develop apps in HTML5 or even C/C++ and of course Flash and Java support if you ever need it. Sounds pretty open to me.

This is also the first time they've actually had a great browser. I've seen it first hand, I've compared it... sorry but it's better than what Android and iOS offer... I did direct comparisons today.

Dev community is growing and feedback is getting better. One thing for sure is you can't beat Apple marketing or the retards that write the crappy articles.

Believe all you want, plug your ears and close your eyes. Refuse to think of anything RIM puts out as possibly good... just immediately call it a failure... that's always the best stance to take.
 
2012-11-13 05:07:35 PM

sure haven't: Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.

Ok that is genius, and is sorely needed everywhere. I hope Miscrosoft steals it :D

Cooper420: 5.It allows for you to move from one thing to another, without the use of buttons or "task switching" through different apps. Saw a demo today, I LOVE IT. People who are focused on productivity will love it.

Could you elaborate? This sounds intriguiging. But if it's not app switching, then... what is it?


The best example was within mail. lets say you get a meeting request. Instead of switching over to your calendar to see your availability, or going to the address book to see some extra info on the invitees... it keeps it all within the one space. swipe swipe swipe and you're there, swipe back and you're at the initial e-mail. Also BB10 is a real multitasking OS. Any apps you switch from still run in the background, just in a lower priority state BUT they're still active and running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI0xD8DA48 This is a reasonable video showing a bit of it.

They are really looking to create a future environment for workflow... as I said, not just on smartphone or tablet, but beyond. Very good vision and what felt like some solid dedication to what they're doing.

2013 requires great execution and continual plugging of the beneficial traits they've built into this system.
 
2012-11-13 05:16:33 PM

Cooper420:
Their browser was built on HTML5..... You can develop apps in HTML5 or even C/C++ and of course Flash and Java support if you ever need it. Sounds pretty open to me.


Really? How open is it if I want to use Opera? And HTML 5? Are people still doing that? Especially in mobile, where, you know, apps seem to rule the day?


This is also the first time they've actually had a great browser. I've seen it first hand, I've compared it... sorry but it's better than what Android and iOS offer... I did direct comparisons today.


I've seen it too. Like I said, it's going to put you squarely in the middle of the pack. But unlike iPhone or Android, if I decide I don't like the browser, I'm just stuck with it.


Dev community is growing and feedback is getting better. One thing for sure is you can't beat Apple marketing or the retards that write the crappy articles.


You also can't beat 92% market share, which is where iOS and Android sit right now, which is why no one is writing apps for Blackberry. Which is why it doesn't matter what gets released. No one is going to buy it. It's too late.


Believe all you want, plug your ears and close your eyes. Refuse to think of anything RIM puts out as possibly good... just immediately call it a failure... that's always the best stance to take.


Hey, did you go to the Lazaridis School of I Can't Hear You?

"The most exciting mobile trend is full Qwerty keyboards. I'm sorry, it really is. I'm not making this up."
 
2012-11-13 05:32:10 PM

Cooper420: Also BB10 is a real multitasking OS. Any apps you switch from still run in the background, just in a lower priority state BUT they're still active and running.


Kinda like Android?
 
2012-11-13 05:32:19 PM

whistleridge: Android and iOS still aren't securable to government or big industry standards. From a 'there are national secrets or billions in corporate secrets potentially accessibly via this phone' perspective, they're toys. Toys that everyone, including the IT managers making the calls, REALLY REALLY want, but still toys. The day a securable Android or iOS phone comes out, sell your RIM shares stat, because they'll be dead less than 6 months later.


Start getting ready to sell then, since there are several FIPS-certified Android devices already out there, and more on the way.

My own employer is rolling out software that allows employees to use their own personal Android phones and tablets for work, and meets all of the security requirements that both the movie and music recording industries have demanded (including the ability to remote wipe, which is why I haven't jumped on it myself).

A friend in Military Intel was issued a custom Android device a couple of months ago for evaluation as well, and there have been reports about devices that are actually meant to be used in combat for real-time communications (albeit probably very short range, no calling back home from Afghanistan). Granted, it's tech the consumers probably won't see for at least a year, but they're far beyond the prototype stages.
 
2012-11-13 05:54:07 PM

The Angry Hand of God: Lego


I wouldn't call it a pain to administer. The only problem I have with it is the web interface, I preferred the application interface, the web interface does run a little slow. Other than that I don't see a major problem with it. Right now, in my opinion, it's all they got going for them.
 
2012-11-13 06:03:33 PM

Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.


Been done. It's called Swift Keyboard for Android.
Lemme give you an example.
Say I'm texting my friend that a few of us are coming to a party and I say "Me, Travis, and ____", the first suggestion for the next word is going to be Travis's wife Jessica because I regularly associate these two together in my text messages.
This is not new.
 
2012-11-13 06:30:55 PM

TheTrashcanMan:
Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.


Obviously he was holding it wrong. Everyone knows you have to hold an Apple product above your head reverently at all times.

/Finally had enough iAdvertising and switched to an S3 this weekend.
//It was over for me the second I heard Jeff Daniels say cheeeeeeeeeee.... eeeeeeeezzzzzee
 
2012-11-13 06:39:13 PM

wholedamnshow: Off subject, does anyone have any feedback on AT&T or T-Mobiles HSPA+ network? Contract with Sprint is up soon and the Nexus 4 looks pretty awesome and cheap.


If T-Mobile has coverage in your area, go with that. The Nexus 4 does support T-Mo's HSPA+ 42 protocol, so you'll get 4G-like speeds.
 
2012-11-13 07:44:22 PM
6 intriguing features that Droid and Apple already have that are on obsolete hardware presented to you in slideshow format. Double Fail.
 
2012-11-13 11:27:01 PM
I can't recall exactly if it was 2007 or 2008 (was just before the launch of the Bold)... but I remember listening to Lazaridis talk once when I was there for a coop placement.

He was discussing how they had the next big thing - he didn't use his personal laptop anymore, just this new secret device for all office type applications. I sometimes wonder if it was an early model of the Playbook he was talking about.... then wonder what happened. Because I think at that time if they had a solid productivity tablet come out - they'd have had the market?
 
2012-11-14 01:26:18 AM

sure haven't: Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding. I do know they're still very popular up here, and strangely enough particularly with kids. My 16 year old cousin and all her friends have BB's.

I'll be sticking with windows phone. Smooth UI is priority for me. Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it, and Apple is just made up of the worst people on earth.


Having gone from a Droid to a Blackberry and regretted every minute of it I can tell you that there isn't a single aspect of owning a Blackberry that doesn't suck in comparison. From the little things like having to log in to use it when it is plugged into the charger, to the keyboard lacking the @ symbol, to the screen being just barely too small to read a webpage on without having to scroll, to the bigger things like the trackpad totally sucking balls and being forced to use it due to the lack of touchscreen and yes, the lack of apps.

I don't use very many apps at all, but when EVERYTHING only comes in I-Phone/Droid compatibility you are screwed. I used to use a bus tracking app on those occasions when I took the bus, but even this isn't compatible with the Blackberry, so I am stuck standing around in the rain (Seattle, all the time) waiting who knows how long for a bus, when I could go get a coffee or an adult beverage if I was able to check and see that the damn bus isn't going to show up for 20-40 minutes.

Blackberry deserves to die, they farked themselves.
 
2012-11-14 01:28:47 AM
Oh, and the camera on the Blackberry totally blows too. Blurry all the time, WTF?
 
2012-11-14 04:16:30 AM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


1: your provider not the phone
2: you can turn features off you know.. lots of people very much like the threaded texts
3: bollocks, stop installing crap that runs all the time and your battery will stop being used
4: one of the most stable phones on the market. ZERO freezes among me and others I just asked.
5: never happened to anyone I can find. Not even once.
6: I don't even know what that means but it sounds like whargarbl
7: see 4

Basically you are full of shiat, and your apparent forcing of your apple fetish on your wife is pathetic.
 
2012-11-14 08:10:59 AM

wholedamnshow: Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.

Been done. It's called Swift Keyboard for Android.
Lemme give you an example.
Say I'm texting my friend that a few of us are coming to a party and I say "Me, Travis, and ____", the first suggestion for the next word is going to be Travis's wife Jessica because I regularly associate these two together in my text messages.
This is not new.


So if they do it better it's not worth it?

What if they do everything that supposedly already exists on other phones but it's all done better, plus their interface turns out to be super smooth. It still won't be good enough for the nay-sayers. Most who've probably never owned a BlackBerry to begin with.

Best line I got from them was "we knew we were driving a NASCAR in an F1 race for years... that's changed"

I'm trying to be confident, they're showing off good product so I'm not certain why everyone is so down.

debt-free, highest spending for R&D in Canada, QNX (makes lots of money, runs space shuttles and most vechiles on the road today), $2.3Billion in cash reserves (up $100 million recently)

They've massively restructured the company, and they're poshing hard at doing this right. IF what they do is the exact same as the others but it's done much better.... WHY is that a bad thing after all they've farked up? If they get back to a level playing field, they're just as viable as any modern smartphone offering.
 
2012-11-14 09:45:36 AM

gaspode: Basically you are full of shiat


I have experienced some similar problems with my S2. My wife does not experience the same problems and she is with the same provider as me. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's enough to give me cause for reconsideration when it's time to replace this device eventually.
 
2012-11-14 10:42:22 AM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


I'll buy GS3 from you.
 
2012-11-14 11:34:55 AM
sure haven't

You have no E in your P and I want to buy your wife's GS3.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:52 PM

gaspode: sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing

1: your provider not the phone
2: you can turn features off you know.. lots of people very much like the threaded texts
3: bollocks, stop installing crap that runs all the time and your battery will stop being used
4: one of the most stable phones on the market. ZERO freezes among me and others I just asked.
5: never happened to anyone I can find. Not even once.
6: I don't even know what that means but it sounds like whargarbl
7: see 4

Basically you are full of shiat, and your apparent forcing of your apple fetish on your wife is pathetic.


Haha, holy sh*t your a dumbass.

I hate Apple, I'd never get an iphone. she loves them and took a chance with the GS3, and it's not been a good experience, so she wants an iphone again. I know it's complicated but try to keep up.
You obviously didn't read any other of my posts. I have a Windows phone, and will be sticking with that.

Now please don't quote me again, you brainless waste of oxygen.
 
2012-11-14 06:54:17 PM
Ah sorry I identified the wrong apple-fetishist. My bad. Reading your other posts sounds dull.

Also all of my points were valid, the problems you describe are not likely ones on an S3 at all.
 
2012-11-14 06:56:14 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: gaspode: Basically you are full of shiat

I have experienced some similar problems with my S2. My wife does not experience the same problems and she is with the same provider as me. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's enough to give me cause for reconsideration when it's time to replace this device eventually.


S2 did have some of thse issues, I have a couple of clients with S2s and they have reported a few things like that. S3 pretty much never though.. only complaint I have heard is battery usage but it turned out to be too much shiat running all the time.
 
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