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(PC Magazine)   Six intriguing features in BlackBerry 10 which still aren't Intriguing enough to persuade the users into buying the phones anymore   (pcmag.com) divider line 71
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2012-11-13 05:03:08 PM

Rent Party: Cooper420: It's good don't worry.

I just got back from RIM offices a couple of hours ago to see a preview of the new BES and BB10.


Hi Thorsten,

White Kniteing BB10 isn't going to help you any more. You're not the only one that's seen it, and the fact is that what this phone will do is place you nicely in the middle of the pack, but without the massive developer community or applications that make ecosystems like this work.

It could be the most innovative phone you've ever built and it isn't going to matter because the market left you behind five years ago.


Oh.. yeah so their new web browser is incredible.... HUGE focus to make the best/fastest mobile browser and they're even looking at making it comparable or better to Chrome or FireFox on the desktop. 484 +11 points on html5test.com


Again? This is like, what, the third time that they've invented the "best mobile browser evar!!!!"

Here is another reason you are going to fail. Your steadfast refusal to allow a third party browser on the phone is killing you. RIMs browser is notoriously shiat. There's no credibility there. Open the platform and let people use whatever browser they want.

That's kinda the point of Android and iPhone, and why people use it.


Their browser was built on HTML5..... You can develop apps in HTML5 or even C/C++ and of course Flash and Java support if you ever need it. Sounds pretty open to me.

This is also the first time they've actually had a great browser. I've seen it first hand, I've compared it... sorry but it's better than what Android and iOS offer... I did direct comparisons today.

Dev community is growing and feedback is getting better. One thing for sure is you can't beat Apple marketing or the retards that write the crappy articles.

Believe all you want, plug your ears and close your eyes. Refuse to think of anything RIM puts out as possibly good... just immediately call it a failure... that's always the best stance to take.
 
2012-11-13 05:07:35 PM

sure haven't: Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.

Ok that is genius, and is sorely needed everywhere. I hope Miscrosoft steals it :D

Cooper420: 5.It allows for you to move from one thing to another, without the use of buttons or "task switching" through different apps. Saw a demo today, I LOVE IT. People who are focused on productivity will love it.

Could you elaborate? This sounds intriguiging. But if it's not app switching, then... what is it?


The best example was within mail. lets say you get a meeting request. Instead of switching over to your calendar to see your availability, or going to the address book to see some extra info on the invitees... it keeps it all within the one space. swipe swipe swipe and you're there, swipe back and you're at the initial e-mail. Also BB10 is a real multitasking OS. Any apps you switch from still run in the background, just in a lower priority state BUT they're still active and running.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtI0xD8DA48 This is a reasonable video showing a bit of it.

They are really looking to create a future environment for workflow... as I said, not just on smartphone or tablet, but beyond. Very good vision and what felt like some solid dedication to what they're doing.

2013 requires great execution and continual plugging of the beneficial traits they've built into this system.
 
2012-11-13 05:16:33 PM

Cooper420:
Their browser was built on HTML5..... You can develop apps in HTML5 or even C/C++ and of course Flash and Java support if you ever need it. Sounds pretty open to me.


Really? How open is it if I want to use Opera? And HTML 5? Are people still doing that? Especially in mobile, where, you know, apps seem to rule the day?


This is also the first time they've actually had a great browser. I've seen it first hand, I've compared it... sorry but it's better than what Android and iOS offer... I did direct comparisons today.


I've seen it too. Like I said, it's going to put you squarely in the middle of the pack. But unlike iPhone or Android, if I decide I don't like the browser, I'm just stuck with it.


Dev community is growing and feedback is getting better. One thing for sure is you can't beat Apple marketing or the retards that write the crappy articles.


You also can't beat 92% market share, which is where iOS and Android sit right now, which is why no one is writing apps for Blackberry. Which is why it doesn't matter what gets released. No one is going to buy it. It's too late.


Believe all you want, plug your ears and close your eyes. Refuse to think of anything RIM puts out as possibly good... just immediately call it a failure... that's always the best stance to take.


Hey, did you go to the Lazaridis School of I Can't Hear You?

"The most exciting mobile trend is full Qwerty keyboards. I'm sorry, it really is. I'm not making this up."
 
2012-11-13 05:32:10 PM

Cooper420: Also BB10 is a real multitasking OS. Any apps you switch from still run in the background, just in a lower priority state BUT they're still active and running.


Kinda like Android?
 
2012-11-13 05:32:19 PM

whistleridge: Android and iOS still aren't securable to government or big industry standards. From a 'there are national secrets or billions in corporate secrets potentially accessibly via this phone' perspective, they're toys. Toys that everyone, including the IT managers making the calls, REALLY REALLY want, but still toys. The day a securable Android or iOS phone comes out, sell your RIM shares stat, because they'll be dead less than 6 months later.


Start getting ready to sell then, since there are several FIPS-certified Android devices already out there, and more on the way.

My own employer is rolling out software that allows employees to use their own personal Android phones and tablets for work, and meets all of the security requirements that both the movie and music recording industries have demanded (including the ability to remote wipe, which is why I haven't jumped on it myself).

A friend in Military Intel was issued a custom Android device a couple of months ago for evaluation as well, and there have been reports about devices that are actually meant to be used in combat for real-time communications (albeit probably very short range, no calling back home from Afghanistan). Granted, it's tech the consumers probably won't see for at least a year, but they're far beyond the prototype stages.
 
2012-11-13 05:54:07 PM

The Angry Hand of God: Lego


I wouldn't call it a pain to administer. The only problem I have with it is the web interface, I preferred the application interface, the web interface does run a little slow. Other than that I don't see a major problem with it. Right now, in my opinion, it's all they got going for them.
 
2012-11-13 06:03:33 PM

Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.


Been done. It's called Swift Keyboard for Android.
Lemme give you an example.
Say I'm texting my friend that a few of us are coming to a party and I say "Me, Travis, and ____", the first suggestion for the next word is going to be Travis's wife Jessica because I regularly associate these two together in my text messages.
This is not new.
 
2012-11-13 06:30:55 PM

TheTrashcanMan:
Are you an usual Apple user or is this your first Apple Product?


/Everytime I hear someone complain about Apple products they usually don't know how to use the damn thing.


Obviously he was holding it wrong. Everyone knows you have to hold an Apple product above your head reverently at all times.

/Finally had enough iAdvertising and switched to an S3 this weekend.
//It was over for me the second I heard Jeff Daniels say cheeeeeeeeeee.... eeeeeeeezzzzzee
 
2012-11-13 06:39:13 PM

wholedamnshow: Off subject, does anyone have any feedback on AT&T or T-Mobiles HSPA+ network? Contract with Sprint is up soon and the Nexus 4 looks pretty awesome and cheap.


If T-Mobile has coverage in your area, go with that. The Nexus 4 does support T-Mo's HSPA+ 42 protocol, so you'll get 4G-like speeds.
 
2012-11-13 07:44:22 PM
6 intriguing features that Droid and Apple already have that are on obsolete hardware presented to you in slideshow format. Double Fail.
 
2012-11-13 11:27:01 PM
I can't recall exactly if it was 2007 or 2008 (was just before the launch of the Bold)... but I remember listening to Lazaridis talk once when I was there for a coop placement.

He was discussing how they had the next big thing - he didn't use his personal laptop anymore, just this new secret device for all office type applications. I sometimes wonder if it was an early model of the Playbook he was talking about.... then wonder what happened. Because I think at that time if they had a solid productivity tablet come out - they'd have had the market?
 
2012-11-14 01:26:18 AM

sure haven't: Thanks whistleridge.

That "blackberry flow" sounds like a garbage app that no one will use.

As a Canadian I really hope this goes well for them. To be honest, I'm not even sure what the actual cause of the hate is. Cause they didn't have "apps"? I've never owned one, that's probably the source of my non-understanding. I do know they're still very popular up here, and strangely enough particularly with kids. My 16 year old cousin and all her friends have BB's.

I'll be sticking with windows phone. Smooth UI is priority for me. Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it, and Apple is just made up of the worst people on earth.


Having gone from a Droid to a Blackberry and regretted every minute of it I can tell you that there isn't a single aspect of owning a Blackberry that doesn't suck in comparison. From the little things like having to log in to use it when it is plugged into the charger, to the keyboard lacking the @ symbol, to the screen being just barely too small to read a webpage on without having to scroll, to the bigger things like the trackpad totally sucking balls and being forced to use it due to the lack of touchscreen and yes, the lack of apps.

I don't use very many apps at all, but when EVERYTHING only comes in I-Phone/Droid compatibility you are screwed. I used to use a bus tracking app on those occasions when I took the bus, but even this isn't compatible with the Blackberry, so I am stuck standing around in the rain (Seattle, all the time) waiting who knows how long for a bus, when I could go get a coffee or an adult beverage if I was able to check and see that the damn bus isn't going to show up for 20-40 minutes.

Blackberry deserves to die, they farked themselves.
 
2012-11-14 01:28:47 AM
Oh, and the camera on the Blackberry totally blows too. Blurry all the time, WTF?
 
2012-11-14 04:16:30 AM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


1: your provider not the phone
2: you can turn features off you know.. lots of people very much like the threaded texts
3: bollocks, stop installing crap that runs all the time and your battery will stop being used
4: one of the most stable phones on the market. ZERO freezes among me and others I just asked.
5: never happened to anyone I can find. Not even once.
6: I don't even know what that means but it sounds like whargarbl
7: see 4

Basically you are full of shiat, and your apparent forcing of your apple fetish on your wife is pathetic.
 
2012-11-14 08:10:59 AM

wholedamnshow: Cooper420: 3. The new keyboard is interesting. The predictive text where it actually learns the words you commonly use which allows you to swipe up on a letter of the keyboard to fill in the word. I saw an 8 word sentence created with a few taps and swipes, much much faster than typing it out completely. Also the keyboard maps touch spots... do you sometimes find when typing on a virtual keyboard you hit the letter left or right to the one you wanted? Well under the hood it actually adapts the touch map for your keys to assist with this based on your use.

Been done. It's called Swift Keyboard for Android.
Lemme give you an example.
Say I'm texting my friend that a few of us are coming to a party and I say "Me, Travis, and ____", the first suggestion for the next word is going to be Travis's wife Jessica because I regularly associate these two together in my text messages.
This is not new.


So if they do it better it's not worth it?

What if they do everything that supposedly already exists on other phones but it's all done better, plus their interface turns out to be super smooth. It still won't be good enough for the nay-sayers. Most who've probably never owned a BlackBerry to begin with.

Best line I got from them was "we knew we were driving a NASCAR in an F1 race for years... that's changed"

I'm trying to be confident, they're showing off good product so I'm not certain why everyone is so down.

debt-free, highest spending for R&D in Canada, QNX (makes lots of money, runs space shuttles and most vechiles on the road today), $2.3Billion in cash reserves (up $100 million recently)

They've massively restructured the company, and they're poshing hard at doing this right. IF what they do is the exact same as the others but it's done much better.... WHY is that a bad thing after all they've farked up? If they get back to a level playing field, they're just as viable as any modern smartphone offering.
 
2012-11-14 09:45:36 AM

gaspode: Basically you are full of shiat


I have experienced some similar problems with my S2. My wife does not experience the same problems and she is with the same provider as me. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's enough to give me cause for reconsideration when it's time to replace this device eventually.
 
2012-11-14 10:42:22 AM

sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing


I'll buy GS3 from you.
 
2012-11-14 11:34:55 AM
sure haven't

You have no E in your P and I want to buy your wife's GS3.
 
2012-11-14 12:17:52 PM

gaspode: sure haven't: HeartBurnKid: sure haven't: Android is so buggy it amazes me that anyone uses it

Let me guess... haven't used it since version 1.6?

Nope, my wife has a GS3 that we'll be selling shortly to get her an iPhone 5.

Here's a list off the top of my head:
-doesn't receive all texts
-combines ancient texts to the end of new texts
-zero battery life
-freezing, freezing, and more freezing
-lock screen freezing up
-data drain
-crashing, freezing, and crashing

1: your provider not the phone
2: you can turn features off you know.. lots of people very much like the threaded texts
3: bollocks, stop installing crap that runs all the time and your battery will stop being used
4: one of the most stable phones on the market. ZERO freezes among me and others I just asked.
5: never happened to anyone I can find. Not even once.
6: I don't even know what that means but it sounds like whargarbl
7: see 4

Basically you are full of shiat, and your apparent forcing of your apple fetish on your wife is pathetic.


Haha, holy sh*t your a dumbass.

I hate Apple, I'd never get an iphone. she loves them and took a chance with the GS3, and it's not been a good experience, so she wants an iphone again. I know it's complicated but try to keep up.
You obviously didn't read any other of my posts. I have a Windows phone, and will be sticking with that.

Now please don't quote me again, you brainless waste of oxygen.
 
2012-11-14 06:54:17 PM
Ah sorry I identified the wrong apple-fetishist. My bad. Reading your other posts sounds dull.

Also all of my points were valid, the problems you describe are not likely ones on an S3 at all.
 
2012-11-14 06:56:14 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: gaspode: Basically you are full of shiat

I have experienced some similar problems with my S2. My wife does not experience the same problems and she is with the same provider as me. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it's enough to give me cause for reconsideration when it's time to replace this device eventually.


S2 did have some of thse issues, I have a couple of clients with S2s and they have reported a few things like that. S3 pretty much never though.. only complaint I have heard is battery usage but it turned out to be too much shiat running all the time.
 
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