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(Talking Points Memo)   President Obama's approval rating the highest it's been since July of 2009   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2012-11-13 11:15:53 AM  
How does one get a backdated troll account?
 
2012-11-13 11:16:41 AM  

propasaurus: Christ On A Stick: James F. Campbell: Christ On A Stick: I see that Romney won the popular vote

fark off, shiatmonger.

You're just mad because someone is forcing you to face inconvenient truths about your dear leader. if you weren't able to see the truth when he gave a pass to the Black Panthers, or when he was off on his Ameriocan apology tour, kowtowing to forien leaders, I doubt anything will change your tiny little libtard mind at this point

You were getting more bites when you weren't so obvious.


Being stupid on purpose is HARD
 
2012-11-13 11:21:12 AM  

sprawl15: You are just upset because libby lib liberals have lol cry boohoo. Prove me wrong, bro.


You got me there. May I mambo dogface to the banana patch?

/Obscure?
 
2012-11-13 11:23:03 AM  

propasaurus: How does one get a backdated troll account?


You get one for free with a six month TF subscription, and it's also a tiered reward for thirty greenlit American Thinker articles.
 
2012-11-13 11:30:37 AM  

sprawl15: propasaurus: How does one get a backdated troll account?

You get one for free with a six month TF subscription, and it's also a tiered reward for thirty greenlit American Thinker articles.


Dammit. I've been submitting SocialistWorker.org links.
 
2012-11-13 11:31:58 AM  

Christ On A Stick: propasaurus: Christ On A Stick: James F. Campbell: Christ On A Stick: I see that Romney won the popular vote

fark off, shiatmonger.

You're just mad because someone is forcing you to face inconvenient truths about your dear leader. if you weren't able to see the truth when he gave a pass to the Black Panthers, or when he was off on his Ameriocan apology tour, kowtowing to forien leaders, I doubt anything will change your tiny little libtard mind at this point

You were getting more bites when you weren't so obvious.

Being stupid on purpose is HARD


The irreverent Fark handle should have been my first clue.
 
2012-11-13 11:48:05 AM  

propasaurus: How does one get a backdated troll account?


In Korea, one of their favored culinary treats is called Kim-chi. It's basically cabbage that they put into a soup and then bury in the ground for a long time.

It ferments and goes bad and then they dig it up and eat it.

Consider this the Kim-chi of trolling.
 
2012-11-13 12:47:24 PM  
Why even use Rasmussen numbers anymore????
 
2012-11-13 01:17:12 PM  

Jackson Herring: Christ On A Stick: I see that Romney won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college.

You mean people do this? Just go on the internet and lie?


The correct reply is "is this math you do as a Republican just to make yourself feel better?"
 
2012-11-13 01:20:46 PM  

wotthefark: Why even use Rasmussen numbers anymore????


I won't cite Rasmussen anymore even if I like their numbers.
 
2012-11-13 01:33:39 PM  

mrshowrules: wotthefark: Why even use Rasmussen numbers anymore????

I won't cite Rasmussen anymore even if I like their numbers.


Haven't read the post-mortem, but I recall Nate saying after 2008 that Rasmussen was the most consistent in their numbers (less variation from their mean), even though they were consistently off from where the rest of the polls were.

If my super-secret and all-kinds-of-weird-math model just uses Ras+5 and is more consistent that another poll aggregator/statistical model that uses every piece of data collected in the US from 1750-2013, which is the better model?

// not that I'd support using only a "Ras+5" model
 
2012-11-13 01:42:25 PM  

Christ On A Stick: I see that Romney won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college.


No. No, he didn't. He actually lost by about 2 2/3%
 
2012-11-13 01:48:35 PM  

Dr Dreidel: mrshowrules: wotthefark: Why even use Rasmussen numbers anymore????

I won't cite Rasmussen anymore even if I like their numbers.

Haven't read the post-mortem, but I recall Nate saying after 2008 that Rasmussen was the most consistent in their numbers (less variation from their mean), even though they were consistently off from where the rest of the polls were.

If my super-secret and all-kinds-of-weird-math model just uses Ras+5 and is more consistent that another poll aggregator/statistical model that uses every piece of data collected in the US from 1750-2013, which is the better model?

// not that I'd support using only a "Ras+5" model


I did see that but Rasmussen was way off in 2010 and 2012. Rasmussen's first article after the last election was basically saying how phone polling doesn't work anymore. Seems like a pathetic thing to say after many people got it right and you got it wrong. Like blowing a PGA game and saying the sport of golf is broken in some way.

If nothing else, if they don't have faith in polling, why should we have faith in them. They kept on adjusting their methodology to keep the right happy.
 
2012-11-13 01:52:49 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Christ On A Stick: I see that Romney won the popular vote, but lost the electoral college.

No. No, he didn't. He actually lost by about 2 2/3%


Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

/the more you repeat his initial derp, the more likely others are to get sucked in.
 
2012-11-13 02:29:24 PM  

mrshowrules: If nothing else, if they don't have faith in polling, why should we have faith in them. They kept on adjusting their methodology to keep the right happy.


If you know that the sight of your rifle is off such that a 100-yard shot will end up a half-inch below and left of (or..whatever, off by a consistent and measurable amount) your target, the rifle is good enough to use for sharpshooting - you just know to account for that error. It's my understanding that a rifle like that - assuming it's always off by the same amount and in the same direction(s) - is as good as a perfectly accurate one (again, for sharpshooting purposes).

Anyway, if they're wrong by different amounts every time (I'll say "within one election", because everyone changes the methodology between elections), that's a problem. Consistency - even in being wrong - is useful. Remember how so many farkers want to know what Bill Kristol/Jonah Goldberg/Bernie Goldman/whoever says just so they know to do/think the exact opposite? It's like that.

// and I guess we can't quantify how wrong they were until after the election
// though we can know by how much they deviate from the other polls/models before the election - does that yield consistent results?
 
2012-11-13 02:50:05 PM  

Dr Dreidel: mrshowrules: If nothing else, if they don't have faith in polling, why should we have faith in them. They kept on adjusting their methodology to keep the right happy.

If you know that the sight of your rifle is off such that a 100-yard shot will end up a half-inch below and left of (or..whatever, off by a consistent and measurable amount) your target, the rifle is good enough to use for sharpshooting - you just know to account for that error. It's my understanding that a rifle like that - assuming it's always off by the same amount and in the same direction(s) - is as good as a perfectly accurate one (again, for sharpshooting purposes).

Anyway, if they're wrong by different amounts every time (I'll say "within one election", because everyone changes the methodology between elections), that's a problem. Consistency - even in being wrong - is useful. Remember how so many farkers want to know what Bill Kristol/Jonah Goldberg/Bernie Goldman/whoever says just so they know to do/think the exact opposite? It's like that.

// and I guess we can't quantify how wrong they were until after the election
// though we can know by how much they deviate from the other polls/models before the election - does that yield consistent results?


I get the theory. Kristol is a good example. He is consistently wrong but now he is advocating tax increases for the rich so what am I supposed to do with that?

I'll take consistent accuracy over consistently precise inaccuracy any day.
 
2012-11-13 03:11:56 PM  

mrshowrules: I'll take consistent accuracy over consistently precise inaccuracy any day.


Well, sure, but if we're asking which is more consistent...

// this is the thing people forget about statistics/data modeling:
// consistency is consistency, whether it comports with what you "want to" or "would rather" see or not
 
2012-11-13 05:43:43 PM  
Imagine the problems with their economy if they did leave. Would they remain tied to the Dollar, for stability? Or would that defeat the purpose of leaving. How can they institute their own currency, Crocketts or Alamos or Dillos or try to scrape up some Gold or what? Would people like to be paid in Crocketts when one day they are 40 to the Dollar and the next day 100? Would they try to stabilize their new currency and would they have any reserves to do that? Would you have to carry around actual Gold with all the counterfeit and underweight problems? Or would they go on the "gold standard" for their currency? Everyone is going to try to hedge the new prices which will cause instant inflation. The whole thing would go down in flames with wild currency fluctuations.
 
2012-11-13 05:45:06 PM  
and... wrong thread. Duh. I meant to do that.
 
2012-11-13 11:41:02 PM  

wotthefark: Why even use Rasmussen numbers anymore????


It employs people who would otherwise be selling placemats door-to-door.
 
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