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2012-11-13 05:41:38 PM  

jimw: To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia. The action scenes were simply makeovers from other movies, not all necessarily Bond movies. There were also a lot of slips and loose ends. Unless they get a new Bond, and some new creative writers, it is time for Bond to end before it turns into an absolute disaster. I would rate Skyfall at a D. Yesterday I saw three movies: Skyfall; Cloud Atlas; Flight. Flight was the best of all of these.


So you liked that movie where Denzel Washington played Denzel Washington. Got it. Say no more.
 
2012-11-13 05:46:33 PM  

jimw: It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia. The action scenes were simply makeovers from other movies, not all necessarily Bond movies. There were also a lot of slips and loose ends. Unless they get a new Bond, and some new creative writers, it is time for Bond to end before it turns into an absolute disaster.


It was a celebration of 50 years of Bond. I thought it achieved that very well. Whats the other main character? Q? What loose ends? Absolute disasters in this franchise happen every so often. I don't get you is what I'm getting at.

Haven't seen flight yet. It might be better so I'm not going to argue that.
 
2012-11-13 05:48:23 PM  
For comparison:

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Casino Royale - 94
Thunderball - 91
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81
Goldeneye - 80
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71
You Only Live Twice - 70
Diamonds Are Forever - 67
Moonraker - 64
Live and Let Die - 63
Quantum of Solace - 63
Die Another Day - 59
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39
 
2012-11-13 05:51:56 PM  

Lego_Addict: Goldeneye will always be my #1 because of the N64 game. Nick Nack and Proximity Mines FTW!


Frequently heard at my place "Buddy, I hear you placing the mines, and now you're not using your controller. And if you screen check me one more time, you're getting punched!"
 
2012-11-13 05:54:10 PM  

jimw: To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia.


Maybe I'm missing something, but who was the 2nd?

This didn't suck. It did take a weird turn with the Bond homestead there at the end, and it seemed they owed Albert Finney a favor by just shoe-horning him in there. But I thought it was a good overall story. It was how about the old-fashioned way of doing things has its advantages over the sleek, newer (and younger) methods to espionage.

And I've not seen all of them, but is this the first one where the villain more or less succeeded in his goals? We saw that he wanted M to shoot them both through the head with the same bullet, so he had no desire to save his own life, unless it was just a taunt. I say he more or less succeeded because M succumbed to her wound.
 
2012-11-13 05:56:03 PM  
they got the top one correct.

no question.
 
2012-11-13 06:00:13 PM  

mjohnson71: Snatch Bandergrip: Music was overwhelming, took away from the action scenes.

That's one statement I just don't get.

If you think the music is overwhelming in Skyfall, just check out all the ones scored by John Barry.


Not denying that; just that I wanted to hear the roar of engines, the crack of gunfire, the smashing of fists. I didn't hear any of it under the thunderous score of the usually reliable Thomas Newman, even though it sounded exactly like David Arnold.

I really liked Skyfall, but I'd say it's still struggling to fight off the Bourne influence. Bond is glamour, wacky stunts, old-school charm, romance. Bourne is a set of pragmatic techno-thrillers, heavy on visceral action, unconcerned with the flavor of its exotic locales, action flicks for the post-9/11 crowd. I love both, but I want them to be different. Separate but equal, if you will.

/Cares way too much
 
2012-11-13 06:01:12 PM  
I'm sorry, there's no way in hell "A View to a Kill" is better than any of the Connery movies.
 
2012-11-13 06:02:26 PM  

Falco09: BronyMedic:

It made absolutely zero sense for this car to be in the movie. There's only one James Bond; Sean Connery's Bond doesn't exist in the Daniel Craig Bond universe. Are we to believe that this Aston Martin was just some MI6 relic? Bond won a DB5 in Casino Royale. It should have been this car in the movie (sans ejector seat and machine guns) that Bond had simply been keeping in storage.


I've always liked the idea that James Bond is just a codename for a series of top agents who have filled the role over the years. Connery was one, Moore was one and Craig is the latest. I think the fact that they had one of the old Bond's cars is a pretty strong hint that this is how the current filmmakers view the Bond role. Now this could be different from other filmmakers interpretations, or Flemming's idea, but whoever takes the reigns is allowed to make it their own interpretation.

Personally that version makes the most sense to me.
 
2012-11-13 06:04:24 PM  

fusillade762: For comparison:

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Casino Royale - 94
Thunderball - 91
Skyfall - 91
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81
Goldeneye - 80
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71
You Only Live Twice - 70
Diamonds Are Forever - 67
Moonraker - 64
Live and Let Die - 63
Quantum of Solace - 63
Die Another Day - 59
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39


FTFY
 
2012-11-13 06:08:52 PM  

dehehn: Falco09: BronyMedic:

It made absolutely zero sense for this car to be in the movie. There's only one James Bond; Sean Connery's Bond doesn't exist in the Daniel Craig Bond universe. Are we to believe that this Aston Martin was just some MI6 relic? Bond won a DB5 in Casino Royale. It should have been this car in the movie (sans ejector seat and machine guns) that Bond had simply been keeping in storage.


I've always liked the idea that James Bond is just a codename for a series of top agents who have filled the role over the years. Connery was one, Moore was one and Craig is the latest. I think the fact that they had one of the old Bond's cars is a pretty strong hint that this is how the current filmmakers view the Bond role. Now this could be different from other filmmakers interpretations, or Flemming's idea, but whoever takes the reigns is allowed to make it their own interpretation.

Personally that version makes the most sense to me.


I've heard that theory as well, but that doesn't make sense either given the context of the film. We see Bond's parents' gravestones with their family name on them.
 
2012-11-13 06:22:26 PM  

Neums: jimw: To say say it in two words - Skyfall sucked. It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia.

Maybe I'm missing something, but who was the 2nd?

This didn't suck. It did take a weird turn with the Bond homestead there at the end, and it seemed they owed Albert Finney a favor by just shoe-horning him in there. But I thought it was a good overall story. It was how about the old-fashioned way of doing things has its advantages over the sleek, newer (and younger) methods to espionage.

And I've not seen all of them, but is this the first one where the villain more or less succeeded in his goals? We saw that he wanted M to shoot them both through the head with the same bullet, so he had no desire to save his own life, unless it was just a taunt. I say he more or less succeeded because M succumbed to her wound.


At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded
 
2012-11-13 06:24:13 PM  

dehehn: fusillade762: For comparison:

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Dr No - 98
From Russia with Love - 97
Goldfinger - 96
Casino Royale - 94
Thunderball - 91
Skyfall - 91
On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 81
Goldeneye - 80
The Spy Who Loved Me - 78
For Your Eyes Only - 74
Living Daylights - 73
License to Kill - 71
You Only Live Twice - 70
Diamonds Are Forever - 67
Moonraker - 64
Live and Let Die - 63
Quantum of Solace - 63
Die Another Day - 59
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The Man with the Golden Gun - 52
The World Is Not Enough - 51
Octopussy - 47
A View to a Kill - 39

FTFY


Ah, thanks. That was an old list I threw together in chronological order. In the midst of re-ordering it by rank I totally forgot to put Skyfall in there.
 
2012-11-13 06:40:00 PM  

thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded


Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.
 
2012-11-13 06:49:58 PM  

Magorn: DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

I have, and I second his opinion. Connery as Bond was the perfect mix of sauve, self-assurance that comes from Pre-WWII upper class British breeding, and down and dirty man of violence who was willing to do whtever it takes to get a job done. Moore was too effette, and Dalton and Brosnan played it too much as "generic Schwazenegger-esque action hero". FWIW Craig is the first bond since Connery I think has it right, but Connery was raised in the same cultural milleu as Ian Flemming, and "got" some of the subtlties of the character instinctively that Craig has to consciously ape.


Craig's Bond is the first openly-working-class version of the character (Vesper lampshades this when they meet) so he doesn't have to ape anything. After his parents died he left home to stick it out rather than sit and rot on their money.
 
2012-11-13 06:50:36 PM  

Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.


I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m
 
2012-11-13 06:52:49 PM  

fusillade762: For comparison:

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Die Another Day - 59
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The World Is Not Enough - 51


24-CARAT HORSEPISS. Both those last scores are harsh.
 
2012-11-13 06:53:51 PM  

thecpt: Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m


Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.
 
2012-11-13 07:10:09 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: thecpt: Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.


Mommy was very bad. He was actually saying mom and was speaking with a Spanish accent. It was quite apparent
 
2012-11-13 07:15:37 PM  
Spoilers (highlight!)

Here's the real question - what was M's name? The groundsman called her 'Emma' as he misheard Bond stating her name was M, and through some of Silva's garbled speech 'Mama' sounded like 'Marla'. Weird.
 
2012-11-13 08:17:18 PM  
LET THE SKY FALL!
APPLE CRUMBLE!
 
2012-11-13 08:38:28 PM  

Cndn Bacon: I like GoldenEye but mostly because I've always had a thing for Famke Janssen and she was pretty damn hot in that movie:

[images.hollywood.com image 400x300]



I was probably 12 when i first saw GoldenEye. Famke Janssen hate-tonguing Pierce Brosnan's face in that scene gave me one of my earliest why-boners.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:34 PM  
Haven't seen Skyfall yet. I'm weird in that my favorite Bond movie (even though I know it's terrible) is A View To A Kill, simply because it was the first one I saw. It also has the best song and WALKEN.

Connery
Brosnan
Moore
Craig
Dalton
Lazenby

is my Bond rating. Though I haven't seen a Dalton movie in forever. Craig is too hard edged to be Bond for me, plus Quantum of Solace wasn't very good. Best movie for each Bond in my opinion:

From Russia With Love
On Her Majesty's Secret Service
The Spy Who Loved Me
The Living Daylights
Goldeneye
Casino Royale

Lois Maxwell is the best Moneypenny, Dame Judi the best M. Desmond Llewellyn is the ONLY 'Q'
 
2012-11-13 08:59:42 PM  
Armond White farking LOVES Skyfall. Says its Oscar territory

He's neutral on Quantum of Solace. Seems like he was interested but not entertained.

and he did a nice piece Bond themes too. I wish there were more like him, I am sick of moronic plebs "reviewing" and shilleriffic pay-per-quote boilerplate bullshiat.
 
2012-11-13 09:05:40 PM  
The Bond list goes Connerry > Craig > Dalton > Brosnan > Lazenby > Nelson > Moore

And yes, Never Say Never Again is a Bond film, and the superior adaptation of Thunderball (especially an upgrade at villain).
 
2012-11-13 09:32:29 PM  
Moonraker, Octopussy, AVTAK... Ugg. Moore was way too old for the part by the end.

And even FYOE sucks for the most part. The beginning is simply atrocious.
 
2012-11-13 09:59:07 PM  

JosephFinn: The Bond list goes Connerry > Craig > Dalton > Brosnan > Lazenby > Nelson > Moore

And yes, Never Say Never Again is a Bond film, and the superior adaptation of Thunderball (especially an upgrade at villain).


media.comicvine.com

Dalton was the worst Bond. For some reason, looking at him, I wish Alan Rickman had been chosen to be 80s Bond.
 
2012-11-13 10:15:04 PM  
Roger Moore's James Bond was what the 70's and 80's demanded in action films, and were the very popular then. Bond movies are made from their era.
 
2012-11-13 10:23:25 PM  

sephjnr: fusillade762: For comparison:

Rotten Tomatoes ranking of James Bond films:

Die Another Day - 59
Tomorrow Never Dies - 56
The World Is Not Enough - 51


24-CARAT HORSEPISS. Both those last scores are harsh.



I will say that TMS and TWINE are both light years ahead of DAD....but all three were pretty bad.

/Ok, Tomorrow Never Dies is ok
//World is only tolerable because I have an extreme hard-on for Sophie Marceau
//Die Another can just, die. Seriously
 
2012-11-13 10:34:33 PM  

expobill: Roger Moore's James Bond was what the 70's and 80's demanded in action films, and were the very popular then. Bond movies are made from their era.


Roger Moore = Bill Shatner.

Is this what people expected in the 70s?

A perfect, awesome stunt ruined by a SLIDE WHISTLE. And why the fat southern sheriff hanging out with Bond? Screw that guy.
I think Austin Powers pretty much was making fun of the Moore era.

Also, A View to a Kill is a terrible movie. How can you waste Walken? And Grace Jones as a sex symbol is the shame the 80s must carry. Octopussy? Crazy title, crummy movie.
 
2012-11-13 10:35:22 PM  
Goldeneye is my favorite
 
2012-11-13 10:39:17 PM  

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


I would have said that, till I saw Craig. I have to say he's closer to the books than Connery ever was.

I think my panties are still wet after seeing "Skyfall."
 
2012-11-13 10:39:41 PM  
I'm ok with GF at #1, but #2 and 3 are way too high. Nice to see the current offering rated fairly highly.
 
2012-11-13 10:39:52 PM  

thecpt: jimw: It was simply a long drawn out move designed to say good-by to two of the main characters with some added nostalgia.

Whats the other main character?.


I believe he was indirectly referring to this:

www.rmauctions.com

/If I ever com across an obscene amount of wasteful money, this car will be mine
 
2012-11-13 10:47:17 PM  
I don't like trying to order *all* of the movies, mostly because the actors all differently. The only things I will say are:

1. Connery, being the originator, ALWAYS gets a pass.
2. Lazenby has some issues, but he wasn't as bad as people make it out to be. (Example: the non-reaction to getting found out by Blofeld just seems like something he wouldn't normally do.)
3. Moore, for all intents and purposes, had some really good and really horrid parts to most of his movies. The space scene of Moonraker trumps all for stupidity and pandering to what's popular at the time, though, and the AFB circus scene where James Bond dresses up as a clown will always be the absolute nadir. The flip side to that is that he went up against Lee and Walken, two of the greatest Bond villains ever, and his movies are still mostly based off of original Fleming material.
4. Dalton... again with the bipolar. The Living Daylights wasn't bad until he (a) joins the Mujahideen, and (b) kills Joe Don Baker in his war room. And License to Kill was too much of a James Bond does Miami Vice movie (plus, FFS, Wayne Newton?!).
5. Brosnan was good, probably my second favorite, but on most days I'll say that his movies went downhill until the crash landing into complete implausibility that was Die Another Day. (The "most days" part is that I go back & forth between the two middle movies, mostly dependent on how much I can stomach Paris Carver at any given time.)
6. Craig was incredible in Casino Royale, but as stated a million places in a million ways, Quantum sucked extreme donkey balls. I've yet to see Skyfall so I can't comment on that, but if it's as good as advertised, then he's into a tie with Pierce for my favorite Bond not named Sean Connery.

That's where I stand on all of that.
 
2012-11-13 10:51:11 PM  
Come on, QoS was AWESOME. It was 2 hours of pure shakey-cam with no plot!
 
2012-11-13 10:51:23 PM  
I gotta say this. Even if/when I disagree vehemently, I love these Bond threads.
 
2012-11-13 10:52:21 PM  

Shazam999: Come on, QoS was AWESOME. It was 2 hours of pure shakey-cam with no plot!


Please stop. You're making me nauseous.
 
2012-11-13 10:52:47 PM  

fatalvenom: //World is only tolerable because I have an extreme hard-on for Sophie Marceau


What was so bad about that film? Okay, Denise Richards as a nuclear weapons specialist. That wasn't the first movie to have a hot girl in unlikely fields of expertise. And I maintain it had the best song. They should have put Shirley Manson in the opening number.
 
2012-11-13 10:54:36 PM  

Apos: Shazam999: Come on, QoS was AWESOME. It was 2 hours of pure shakey-cam with no plot!

Please stop. You're making me nauseous.


QoS makes everyone nauseous!
 
2012-11-13 10:55:53 PM  

expobill: Roger Moore's James Bond was what the 70's and 80's demanded in action films, and were the very popular then. Bond movies are made from their era.


I dunno, I was a youngin' back then, and I asked my dad about those later Moore Bond films.

He frowned, shook his head and said "they are awful".
 
2012-11-13 10:56:52 PM  

Fano: JosephFinn: The Bond list goes Connerry > Craig > Dalton > Brosnan > Lazenby > Nelson > Moore

And yes, Never Say Never Again is a Bond film, and the superior adaptation of Thunderball (especially an upgrade at villain).

[media.comicvine.com image 209x277]

Dalton was the worst Bond. For some reason, looking at him, I wish Alan Rickman had been chosen to be 80s Bond.




You realize that Never Say Never was a Connery flick, not a Dalton one, right?
 
2012-11-13 10:59:26 PM  

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


Your basically right. That said, I like to think I've overcome that (I originally liked Moore the best - yes, Moore - that's who I grew up with), and I find that all the actors who played Bond add their own unique touches and value. Looking back more objectively, I like them all for different reasons and don't really have a "favorite" any more. Each one brings a different style to the character, and the variety makes the long string of movies more interesting.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:22 PM  

karmachameleon: docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

You're basically right. That said, I like to think I've overcome that (I originally liked Moore the best - yes, Moore - that's who I grew up with), and I find that all the actors who played Bond add their own unique touches and value. Looking back more objectively, I like them all for different reasons and don't really have a "favorite" any more. Each one brings a different style to the character, and the variety makes the long string of movies more interesting.


FTFM.
 
2012-11-13 11:01:05 PM  

Shazam999: Apos: Shazam999: Come on, QoS was AWESOME. It was 2 hours of pure shakey-cam with no plot!

Please stop. You're making me nauseous.

QoS makes everyone nauseous!


It certainly does.
 
2012-11-13 11:04:33 PM  

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


There's a quantum of truth there. I've always liked Moore.

//Like 'em all, except for Lazenby.
 
2012-11-13 11:24:41 PM  

omnimancer28: Fano: JosephFinn: The Bond list goes Connerry > Craig > Dalton > Brosnan > Lazenby > Nelson > Moore

And yes, Never Say Never Again is a Bond film, and the superior adaptation of Thunderball (especially an upgrade at villain).

[media.comicvine.com image 209x277]

Dalton was the worst Bond. For some reason, looking at him, I wish Alan Rickman had been chosen to be 80s Bond.



You realize that Never Say Never was a Connery flick, not a Dalton one, right?


Why would I have thought otherwise? Never Say Never may be bad... but Sean did enough to create the Bond legacy. Dalton is just crummy, and his scripts were crummy too.
 
2012-11-13 11:37:31 PM  
Combination no sleep and the giant picture of Dalton. Didn't realize you were just responding to the best to worst bond comment. Many apologies. I will now go watch Dalton's Oscar winning performance in Flash Gordon as penance for my actions.
 
2012-11-13 11:37:50 PM  

Fano: omnimancer28: Fano: JosephFinn: The Bond list goes Connerry > Craig > Dalton > Brosnan > Lazenby > Nelson > Moore

And yes, Never Say Never Again is a Bond film, and the superior adaptation of Thunderball (especially an upgrade at villain).

[media.comicvine.com image 209x277]

Dalton was the worst Bond. For some reason, looking at him, I wish Alan Rickman had been chosen to be 80s Bond.



You realize that Never Say Never was a Connery flick, not a Dalton one, right?

Why would I have thought otherwise? Never Say Never may be bad... but Sean did enough to create the Bond legacy. Dalton is just crummy, and his scripts were crummy too.


License To Kill was a significant improvement over The Living Daylights merely by having better Bond girls, a leaner script and a formidable villain. Davi was outstanding.
 
2012-11-13 11:41:52 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: thecpt: Neums: thecpt: At the same time he died before he got what he wanted. But I can't think of any villain who fully succeeded

Still, he ultimately succeeded in his goal of killing M, even if he died before he realized it. I don't think killing James was necessarily something he strove for; I think he was trying to make James see the error of his ways (i.e. "Think on your sins.") and show him that blind faith would get you nowhere.

I liked how he constantly referred to m as mom including when talking with bond. I really think his character believed they were figurative siblings and that he pitied bond because he thought bond would die if he stayed under m's control. So I do believe in your theory, but his original plan seemed to be living post courtroom shoot out. I think his primary goal was kill m and the think on your sins was only meant for m

Of course in reality-land, the word "ma'am" is often pronounced "mum" or "mom" in England.


Silva actually referred to M as "Mommy" though.
 
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