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2012-11-13 12:16:13 PM
Screw all you Moonraker haters. I like it better than most Bond films and find it holds up really well compared to most with repeated viewings and age. Some of the Connery movies are hard to watch now with the fake screens, 60's acting style. Likewise the Dalton era was an awful time for movies as a whole. Late 80's bad scripts, bad directing, bad music, bad hair.  Just a terrible time to be alive.
 
2012-11-13 12:16:45 PM

I_C_Weener: Moore's problem was that he wasn't the Saint anymore. He was a charicature of himself like Shatner


I read this and now I want to go back in time so that I can get a Moore Bond movie made where the Shatner is the villian. Maybe replace Walken in A View to a Kill?
 
2012-11-13 12:18:10 PM

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


The first Bond I saw in a theater was License to Kill>. I haven't been motiviated to see it again. I liked Craig and Brosnan, even if their performances couldn't be more dissimilar. My main complaint about every single Bond film is that the writing sucks. Spy movies that are utterly lacking in intrigue and mystery.
 
2012-11-13 12:20:04 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:20:23 PM

NewWorldDan: docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

The first Bond I saw in a theater was License to Kill>. I haven't been motiviated to see it again. I liked Craig and Brosnan, even if their performances couldn't be more dissimilar. My main complaint about every single Bond film is that the writing sucks. Spy movies that are utterly lacking in intrigue and mystery.


If you want spy films, stick with Lecarre adaptations. Bond films are action flicks.
 
2012-11-13 12:23:05 PM

docmattic: If you want spy films, stick with Lecarre adaptations. Bond films are action flicks.


Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy sucked and sucked hard. The last "spy" movie I liked was the debt.
 
2012-11-13 12:24:03 PM

Mugato: docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

I grew up with Roger Moore and, no.


I will say, it was a good post. Dear lord, I did not enjoy Moore Bond movies. Connery is definitive Bond. Brosnan was number 2 but saddled with crummy movies after Goldeneye.

I hear people like this gritty blonde fellow, good for him.
 
2012-11-13 12:24:40 PM

swaxhog: Screw all you Moonraker haters. I like it better than most Bond films and find it holds up really well compared to most with repeated viewings and age.


Double-take pigeon from Venice would like a word with you.
 
2012-11-13 12:25:16 PM
Say what you want, Diamonds are Forever ranks among the best Pwned endings; Bond-wise...
 
2012-11-13 12:26:17 PM

thecpt: docmattic: If you want spy films, stick with Lecarre adaptations. Bond films are action flicks.

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy sucked and sucked hard. The last "spy" movie I liked was the debt.


I wanted to like TTSS. But Jesus it was a waste of time.

And yes, Bond was the prototype for action heroes.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:52 PM
Holy shiat, Jane Seymour was smokin' in '73!
 
2012-11-13 12:29:40 PM

FeedTheCollapse: as an aside, I always hated the title "Goldeneye." It felt like a half-ass title made up because it sounded like a James Bond title; that further annoys me because it also sounds too much like Goldfinger.


Ian Fleming was a former Intelligence Operative during WWII. He designed a contingency plan should the NAZI's attack Great Britain through Spain. The title of plan:
Operation Goldeneye.
When Fleming retired to Jamaica post war, he bought an estate there. It was at this estate he wrote all of his James Bond books.
The name of the Estate?
Goldeneye.

BTW - after seeing Skyfall twice this weekend in the theater, I went and watched Casino Royale and QoS back to back. CR hold up but QoS really doesn't, other than to tie up some loose threads from CR. I have always loved Goldeneye, it was the best of the Bronson movies and I was always a huge fan, but watching it yesterday for the first time in a while, I found it... difficult.
It was like I had to reset my brain to watch it. All things being equal, I'm glad for the reboot. Craig certainly returned some of the humor to the role, but it's far from the cliche ridden scripts we used to have.

s7.postimage.org

/"They always said the pen (puts on glasses) was mightier than the sword.."
//YAAAAHHHH!!!
 
2012-11-13 12:32:15 PM

Wellon Dowd: From the article:

23. Moonraker
22. Die Another Day
21. Quantum of Solace
20. The World is Not Enough
19. You Only Live Twice
18. The Living Daylights
17. Diamonds Are Forever
16. The Man With the Golden Gun
15. Tomorrow Never Dies
14. Live and Let Die
13. Dr. No
12. A View to a Kill
11. License to Kill
10. Octopussy
9. For Your Eyes Only
8. The Spy Who Loved Me
7. GoldenEye
6. Casino Royale
5. Thunderball
4. Skyfall
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. From Russia With Love
1. Goldfinger


Thanks....I wasn't keen on slide show viewing. I agree with the top choice, but AFAIC, NO Bond flick is more odious than The Living Daylights, which was so mind-numbingly dull that I barely remember what it was about.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:42 PM
Sorry subby, but "Thunderball" is the best Bond movie of all time. OF ALL TIME. (shrugs)
 
2012-11-13 12:35:35 PM

edip1976: I found it... difficult.


I still rewatch it about once a year, and you're absolutely right about resetting your brain. Once the mountain car race scene starts playing that weird seinfeld theme like music I just have to say to myself "it was like 17 years ago." Still a great movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:37:08 PM
BTW -
You've all noticed this, right?

Ben Whishaw's Q
s7.postimage.org

Is a dead ringer for Moss from the IT Crowd.
s15.postimage.org

Makes it even funnier if you imagine Moss saying
"Now do be careful Double-Oh-Seven, and try to return the equipment in one piece."
 
2012-11-13 12:39:11 PM

DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.


Im in agreement with BillCo on this one and I am an obsessed Bond Fan. I think the list is:

1) Connery
2) Craig
3) Moore
4) Brosnan (Lost a lot of points for Die Another Day)
5) Lazenby
6) Dalton
 
2012-11-13 12:41:06 PM
My top 5:

1. Goldfinger
2. Live and Let Die
3. The Man with the Golden Gun
4. Casino Royale
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
 
2012-11-13 12:43:33 PM

edip1976: BTW -
You've all noticed this, right?

Ben Whishaw's Q
[s7.postimage.org image 640x474]

Is a dead ringer for Moss from the IT Crowd.
[s15.postimage.org image 640x426]

Makes it even funnier if you imagine Moss saying
"Now do be careful Double-Oh-Seven, and try to return the equipment in one piece."


Hello Q Branch? This is Bond and my Car's missiles aren't firing. "Did you try turning it off and turning it on again?
 
2012-11-13 12:43:50 PM
Okay, aside from Madonna and a white North Korean and a sun laser thing and an invisible car (Wonder Woman's I think) what was so bad about Die Another Day?  I liked the opening sequence, the sword fight, and the North Korean war plot.  And I thought Remington Steele did a good job as Bond in it.  Oh wait...Halle Berry was in it wasn't she?  Yeah, Jinx was bad.
 
2012-11-13 12:45:18 PM

EMCGuy: Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.


I'm with you. Bond looks like an incompetent agent through the whole film and if it were not for the obfuscating stupidity of Goldfinger to keep him alive, Goldfinger would have been able to carry out his plan. The last-second save with Pussy Galore informing the U.S. authorities about Operation Grand Slam felt more like deus ex machina than a logical character choice. Had a bad-ass theme tune though. And Pussy Galore was smokin'.
 
2012-11-13 12:48:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: QoS was Bond in name only. It was a revenge flick, not a spy flick and had a terrible plot/bad guy motivation to boot.


QoS was like a spin off movie that had nothing to do with Bond but he kept sort of popping up. It would have been a good Jinx spin off with a Bond cameo.
 
2012-11-13 12:48:46 PM
Deadliest Bond villainess = SMERSH/SPECTRE agent Rosa Klebb.


That is all.
 
2012-11-13 12:49:48 PM

hundreddollarman: EMCGuy: Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.

I'm with you. Bond looks like an incompetent agent through the whole film and if it were not for the obfuscating stupidity of Goldfinger to keep him alive, Goldfinger would have been able to carry out his plan. The last-second save with Pussy Galore informing the U.S. authorities about Operation Grand Slam felt more like deus ex machina than a logical character choice. Had a bad-ass theme tune though. And Pussy Galore was smokin'.


There were quite a few memorable scenes and lines from that movie. Also I do like the idea that Bond is not infallible, unlike his later movies with Pierce Brosnan.

/yes, I expect you to die.
//no, I'm not dreaming
 
2012-11-13 12:52:20 PM

scottydoesntknow: Lego_Addict: Goldeneye will always be my #1 because of the N64 game. Nick Nack and Proximity Mines FTW!

No Oddjob!!!!


That's right, it was Oddjob, not Nick Nack...this was a long time ago and I smoked a lot of weed back then. God damn, why do we have to grow up?
 
2012-11-13 12:53:26 PM

I_C_Weener: Okay, aside from Madonna and a white North Korean and a sun laser thing and an invisible car (Wonder Woman's I think) what was so bad about Die Another Day?  I liked the opening sequence, the sword fight, and the North Korean war plot.  And I thought Remington Steele did a good job as Bond in it.  Oh wait...Halle Berry was in it wasn't she?  Yeah, Jinx was bad.


Not only Jinx was bad, the writers had the gall to compare her to Ursula Andress with the costume. I'll have to rewatch to see why it's so bad, but it was awful.

Still, Remington Steele should have been Bond during the Dalton interregnum. Jeez those were bad movies. I rate him lower than Lazenby.
 
2012-11-13 12:53:57 PM

I_C_Weener: Okay, aside from Madonna and a white North Korean and a sun laser thing and an invisible car (Wonder Woman's I think) what was so bad about Die Another Day?


The building of ice. Parasurfing off an inceberg with a terrible cgi tidal wave.
 
2012-11-13 01:00:53 PM

Bobby_and_The_Gorilla: Barbara Bach (Agent XXX) was the best Bond girl ever. Nope sorry, not debatable, no discussion, she was the best, LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!


Second best after Jane Seymour.
 
2012-11-13 01:01:50 PM
As far as the hottest bond girl, I would have to say either Jane Seymour or Carole Bouquet.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:14 PM

swaxhog: I_C_Weener: Okay, aside from Madonna and a white North Korean and a sun laser thing and an invisible car (Wonder Woman's I think) what was so bad about Die Another Day?

The building of ice. Parasurfing off an inceberg with a terrible cgi tidal wave.


The plan to invade worstkorea using floating hover craft.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:33 PM

edip1976: Craig certainly returned some of the humor to the role


He did? I found the movie rather dour and humorless. Very... British. Not that that's bad, it just didn't have the levity that Bond movies usually have. Which is not a criticism, previous Bond movies could get goofy at times but I guess I just miss the fun that the Brosnan ones had.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:44 PM

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


I grew up with Moore and the goofy, gadget-heavy movies were my favorites as a kid, but by my late teens Connery had become the definitive Bond to me and has remained so ever since. Craig has my number two spot but could take the top position if he continues to impress for a couple of more films.
 
2012-11-13 01:03:01 PM
Saw SKYFALL today. I've never been a big Bond fan, but it was good. Though I noticed a lot of Dark Knight parallels.

SPOILERS BELOW!!!! SPOILERS BELOW!!!! SPOILERS BELOW!!!! SPOILERS BELOW!!!!


Burning mansion with the hero inside, the bad guy caught on purpose, bad guys disfigurement is his mouth. I couldn't help but think of the scene where Joker is sticking his head out of the car window as M was reading her poetry and the quiet scene of the bad guy in the car. His girlfriend dies by the bad guys hand. There were a couple more I can't remember right now.
 
2012-11-13 01:07:04 PM

Wyalt Derp: Bobby_and_The_Gorilla: Barbara Bach (Agent XXX) was the best Bond girl ever. Nope sorry, not debatable, no discussion, she was the best, LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

Second best after Jane Seymour.



Hear, hear!

"Solitaire, my dear, I want you to listen to me very, very carefully....."
 
2012-11-13 01:11:16 PM
Kind of amazed by the hate for The Living Daylights. To me, it plays way better now than most of the 80s Bond films, and would probably have more appeal to Craig fans than any of the others of that decade.

And how does A View to Kill rank so highly? At times, it feels like one of the Schumacher Batman films.
 
2012-11-13 01:15:51 PM
Get ready to stone me, but I'm a Dalton fan.
 
2012-11-13 01:16:14 PM

yves0010: DjangoStonereaver: BillCo: Sean Connery is the best bond ever. This is not arguable.

You've obviously not seen any of the Craig movies, or read any of the books.

Im in agreement with BillCo on this one and I am an obsessed Bond Fan. I think the list is:

1) Connery
2) Craig
3) Moore
4) Brosnan (Lost a lot of points for Die Another Day)
5) Lazenby
6) Dalton


My list is something like this:

1> Craig*
1.1> Connery*
2> Brosnan
3> Moore**
4> Dalton***
5> David Niven
6> Peter Sellars****
7> Lazenby*****

*
I rate Craig higher than Connery, but only by a hair; it is really not a fair comparison
since they approached the part from very different places, and with very different guiding principles.

** Mostly on the strength of his performance in FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, which redeemed
much in my eyes, for all his silliness.

*** I'd rate him higher if he'd had one more movie, or if either of his 2 movies were better
scripted; his performance itself was damn good, but you can only seperate the performance from the
script so much.

****I am of the heretical opinion that, had he been given the chance, Sellars would have
made an excellent James Bond.

***** Lazenby is a favourite of many so-called 'Bond Purists', but for every flash of
brilliance (brutal fight scenes, his emotion at Tracy's killing), he undercuts it by being very flippant,
to the point that I strongly feel that his take on the character strongly pre-figures Moore's over-the-top
silliness to a very great degree.
 
2012-11-13 01:21:37 PM
So I know Thunderball and Never Say Never Again have the same plot but why isnt Never Say Never on the list?
 
2012-11-13 01:24:30 PM

docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.


I don't agree with this. The Bond when I was growing up was Moore and I would rank him last of the actors to portray Bond in the movies. To me, Craig has the best arc, going from 'blunt object' in the first film to 'Bond' in 'Skyfall'. Connery is second because he was the first Bond but a couple of his movies, including Diamond are Forever, are just terrible movies. Dalton/Lazenby are next. Dalton really set the stage for Craig as a less 'spy' type Bond and more action hero. License to Kill was the precursor to QoS as a revenge film. I thought Lazenby would have been better give more films, but his one film is still one of the best Bond films. Brosnan loses major points because he was in Die another Day, which really drags down his overall average.
 
2012-11-13 01:24:31 PM

hundreddollarman: EMCGuy: Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.

I'm with you. Bond looks like an incompetent agent through the whole film and if it were not for the obfuscating stupidity of Goldfinger to keep him alive, Goldfinger would have been able to carry out his plan. The last-second save with Pussy Galore informing the U.S. authorities about Operation Grand Slam felt more like deus ex machina than a logical character choice. Had a bad-ass theme tune though. And Pussy Galore was smokin'.


IIRC Pussy Galore did that in the book too.
 
2012-11-13 01:30:24 PM
Skyfall was pretty awesome. I have to find someplace to buy Q's Scrabble mug.
 
2012-11-13 01:32:08 PM

swaxhog: Screw all you Moonraker haters. I like it better than most Bond films and find it holds up really well compared to most with repeated viewings and age. Some of the Connery movies are hard to watch now with the fake screens, 60's acting style. Likewise the Dalton era was an awful time for movies as a whole. Late 80's bad scripts, bad directing, bad music, bad hair.  Just a terrible time to be alive.


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-13 01:32:21 PM

bluenote13: docmattic: Tthe Bond actor who you grew up with becomes, de facto, your definitive Bond.

Discuss.

I don't agree with this. The Bond when I was growing up was Moore and I would rank him last of the actors to portray Bond in the movies. To me, Craig has the best arc, going from 'blunt object' in the first film to 'Bond' in 'Skyfall'. Connery is second because he was the first Bond but a couple of his movies, including Diamond are Forever, are just terrible movies. Dalton/Lazenby are next. Dalton really set the stage for Craig as a less 'spy' type Bond and more action hero. License to Kill was the precursor to QoS as a revenge film. I thought Lazenby would have been better give more films, but his one film is still one of the best Bond films. Brosnan loses major points because he was in Die another Day, which really drags down his overall average.


The only reason to watch the Lazenby movie was for the super hot Diana Rigg. Besides that, the whole movie was boring. The pacing was slow and the acting by Lazenby was so bad that it was on par with Talisa Soto's acting on License to Kill.
 
2012-11-13 01:33:49 PM

groppet: So I know Thunderball and Never Say Never Again have the same plot but why isnt Never Say Never on the list?


'Never Say Never Again' never happened. Do you hear me? NEVER. HAPPENED.

Seriously, I think it was because it was not done by the same company so it is pretty much ignored as a Bond movie. Interesting bit of trivia I did not know. It was directed by the guy who directed Empire Strikes Back.
 
2012-11-13 01:35:38 PM

Kirby Muxloe: hundreddollarman: EMCGuy: Am I the only one that thinks Goldfinger is overrated? It's always near the top of the list of Bond films, but I never considered it that great. It also seems to be overplayed. If you flip through TV channels and there's a Bond film on, it's either Goldfinger or a Brosnan or later movie.

I'm with you. Bond looks like an incompetent agent through the whole film and if it were not for the obfuscating stupidity of Goldfinger to keep him alive, Goldfinger would have been able to carry out his plan. The last-second save with Pussy Galore informing the U.S. authorities about Operation Grand Slam felt more like deus ex machina than a logical character choice. Had a bad-ass theme tune though. And Pussy Galore was smokin'.

IIRC Pussy Galore did that in the book too.


True. But the movie never makes any hint of Pussy Galore contemplating turning against Goldfinger until the end.
 
2012-11-13 01:36:02 PM

bluenote13: groppet: So I know Thunderball and Never Say Never Again have the same plot but why isnt Never Say Never on the list?

'Never Say Never Again' never happened. Do you hear me? NEVER. HAPPENED.

Interesting bit of trivia I did not know. It was directed by the guy who directed Empire Strikes Back.


Yep. And that painful irony is just one more reason to loathe it.
 
2012-11-13 01:37:55 PM

Klippoklondike: Quantum of Solace wasn't that bad.


PanicMan: Skyfall was pretty awesome. I have to find someplace to buy Q's Scrabble mug.


BronyMedic: Uh, okay. I'll say it.

SKYFALL made me need new pants as a life-long Bond movie fan. All of the mytharc callbacks, and half-answered lore teasers (Including the hint that the "people" are truely different people, despite all being the same name and designators) were awesome.

And the old Aston Marton with the ejector seat? Wonderful.


Is it necessary or advisable for me to see QoS before watching Skyfall? Or can I just skip QoS?
 
2012-11-13 01:37:55 PM
"I thought Christmas only came once a year.' Is enough to make me hate Brosnan forever.
 
2012-11-13 01:38:38 PM

groppet: So I know Thunderball and Never Say Never Again have the same plot but why isnt Never Say Never on the list?


It's not considered an official Bond film - Same with Casino Royale (the original version and tv show). It wasn't made by Eon although it was licensed all proper. However, MGM or whoever it is today bought all the rights to both Eon productions and NSN so they now reside under the same umbrella. Skyfall is the 23rd Bond film by Eon.
 
2012-11-13 01:40:10 PM
Lifelong bond fan. Seen every movie opening weekend since the early 80s.

Best Bond = Connery. I like all the actors playing Bond, even Dalton, who's take on the character was very similar to Craigs. Least favorite is probably Brosnan, but that has more to do with the scripts of his last 3 movies.

Best Bond movie: Hmm, toss up. Top 5 would be For Your Eyes Only, Casino Royale, Thunderball, Goldfinger, and OHMSS. Skyfall might sneak in there, but holding judgement for some repeat viewings.

Worst Movie: Again, toss up. REALLY hated QoS. Licence to Kill and View to a kill were pretty bad too. The over the top cheese of Moonraker doesn't bother me so much, its a fun movie after a beer or two, and it has Jaws, so how bad can it really be?

Hottest bond girl: Very fond of Carole Boquet, Famke Janssen and Emma Peel.
 
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