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2012-11-13 10:54:58 AM
Hopefully Ballmer will be right behind him.
 
2012-11-13 11:12:54 AM
I hope this means an update to w8 so i can have the old w7 ui without having to resort to third party software
 
2012-11-13 11:14:45 AM
when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.
 
2012-11-13 11:15:22 AM
If he is responsible for Windows 8, the honorable thing for a man to do would be Seppuku.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:23 AM
Who in the hell has soccer practice for 2 1/2 hours?
 
2012-11-13 12:22:19 PM
I wonder how the new headmistress of Windows is going to work out. The culture at Microsoft is or at least was very much a boys only club.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:21 PM
Boy, if Steve Ballmer thiinks you're a dick, you must be a BIG one.
 
2012-11-13 01:51:28 PM

macdaddy357: If he is responsible for Windows 8, the honorable thing for a man to do would be Seppuku.


This is the guy who fixed the Vista mess. And delivered Windows 7 and 8 actually close to ontime and without making tons of promises they couldn't deliver on (unlike every other Microsoft product). He's too competent for Microsoft - so of course he gets shown the door.
 
2012-11-13 02:47:38 PM

Dinobot: I hope this means an update to w8 so i can have the old w7 ui without having to resort to third party software


It's Windows. You're going to have to have some 3rd party software to do something that should have been included a decade ago.

/windows user
 
2012-11-13 03:10:06 PM

Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.


What does Linux do better than Windows?
 
2012-11-13 03:11:51 PM

jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


It's free. Runs faster. Much more customizable. And does windows too. What else do you want?
 
2012-11-13 03:16:36 PM

espiaboricua: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?

It's free. Runs faster. Much more customizable. And does windows too. What else do you want?


My copy of windows was free (wink). I've never had a problem with its speed. I don't need to customize it and it does everything I need it to do and then some without my having to do anything.
 
2012-11-13 03:48:02 PM

jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?



i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights.

it uses (usually) the ext4 filesystem, so defragging is all but completely unnecessary.
it is a clone of UNIX, well known as the most secure OS available.

its faster. 95% of all supercomputers in the world run Linux.

its much more customizable. you can configure it pretty much any way you want

its command line interface (shell) is much more powerful than windows. u can do everything from the command line, or you can point and click, your preference.

it does not slow down over time like windows can. same speed as the day it was installed.

its code is Open Source. so anyone who can program can look at the source code. all bugs are shallow if enough eyeballs are looking at it. microsoft is closed source so only their programmers have access to the source code.

bugs are fixed quicker, see above.

don't need antivirus, because of the way Linux is designed. the noise that hackers don't write viruses because so few use Linux is BULLshiat. 66+% of all web servers in the world are running Linux --- a wonderful target for virus writers.

AVATAR and most animated movies are now rendered on Linux servers. because its so fast and so much more scalable.

its free of cost because it is built by a community of programmers around the world.

i loved XP (at the time) until i got a taste of Linux, then i never looked back. it gave me my computer back.

for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

even the U.S. Navy (as well as the NSA, etc) is moving to Linux with their drone fleet because they were tired of dealing with viruses and they learned Linux is more reliable than windows.

Linux is the fastest growing OS in the world, except the U.S. where Microsoft does everything they can to keep a grip on the OEM market.

that should keep you for awhile anyways.

Linux and Open Source software is the future.

other open source software examples: Firefox, Open Office, Thunderbird email , Chromium browser (which google's chrome is built on)

AND

Google runs Linux on their half million (or more ) servers because its fast, scalable, and reliable. (and more secure)

Facebook? Linux

Amazon? Linux

i could go on and on.
 
2012-11-13 03:56:20 PM
Now that a huge number of people are calling for Ballmer's head, he decided to toss them the head of the guy behind Windows 7 instead.
 
2012-11-13 03:59:36 PM

Skyfrog: Hopefully Ballmer will be right behind him.



oh, he was behind him alright. that what stevie does.
 
2012-11-13 05:36:03 PM

Linux_Yes: for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.


I've not been impressed with Mint's I/O over USB 3 or network compared to Ubuntu.

The default UI is better though.
 
2012-11-13 05:54:24 PM

Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...



Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.
 
2012-11-13 06:25:20 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.



Wine does a good job but won't run everything.
 
2012-11-13 06:26:15 PM

clovis69: Linux_Yes: for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

I've not been impressed with Mint's I/O over USB 3 or network compared to Ubuntu.

The default UI is better though.



well its Ubuntu under the hood.
 
2012-11-13 06:34:23 PM

Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.


And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.
 
2012-11-13 07:36:13 PM
Millions of people use Linux everyday, better known as Android. If one Linux desktop ever got the support it needs to get a big push it would probably succeed. As it is there are too many distros with horrible support/documentation and still worse driver problems than Windows.

I still wonder why Red Hat desktop never caught on.
 
2012-11-13 07:47:36 PM

espiaboricua: It's free. Runs faster. Much more customizable. And does windows too. What else do you want?


Games, Blu-ray support, Netflix support, etc. etc.

Also, saying that Linux is faster is kind of disingenuous. "Faster" can mean many things; the Linux kernel itself has a great scheduler for servers, not so much for real-time tasks. There's also the issue of drivers -- graphics performance on Linux is somewhere between terrible and abysmal.

/Linux software programmer
 
2012-11-13 07:48:41 PM
This looks really, really bad for Microsoft.
 
2012-11-13 08:15:26 PM

skinink: Millions of people use Linux everyday, better known as Android. If one Linux desktop ever got the support it needs to get a big push it would probably succeed. As it is there are too many distros with horrible support/documentation and still worse driver problems than Windows.

I still wonder why Red Hat desktop never caught on.


Three words - Microsoft Office, Games

It has changed to some degree. You can do a hell of a lot with virtualized desktops including almost all of the business apps, now but Skyrim? Not so much
 
2012-11-13 09:24:40 PM

Mr. Eugenides: I wonder how the new headmistress of Windows is going to work out. The culture at Microsoft is or at least was very much a boys only club.


Tami's a farking moron. With Steve gone, she'll soon be heading for greener pastures, because there isn't anyone there who believes she can do the job without stevesi behind her.
 
2012-11-13 09:26:51 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Mr. Eugenides: I wonder how the new headmistress of Windows is going to work out. The culture at Microsoft is or at least was very much a boys only club.

Tami's a farking moron. With Steve gone, she'll soon be heading for greener pastures, because there isn't anyone there who believes she can do the job without stevesi behind her.


Or maybe not. My FB feed is filled with people wondering why it took so long for stevesi to go.
 
2012-11-13 11:31:02 PM
The last year of watching Windows 8, RT, phone 7.5 oops you're boned phone 8, metro-wait-not-metro modern, has been one continuous facepalm.

Meanwhile MS pisses away things like Live Mesh and inking, which worked great. Samsung made a freakishly large galaxy and put a wacom digitizer on it, and has sold more of that model than all WP7s combined. You walk in an MS store and you get vile colored tablets with big squares all over them because they believed what Steve Jobs said about styluses. I guess Nintendo should redo the DS because 30 million kids must not really be enjoying using their stylus. Wait, they know not to kill the golden goose, because they're not stupid.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If you're in a hole, stop digging.

That dog don't hunt.

If you stick feathers up your ass it doesn't make you a rooster.

etc

Wake up before it's too late MS
 
2012-11-14 04:10:09 AM

Linux_Yes: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights..


Yes, can it play full screen flash video at a decent framerate yet?
 
2012-11-14 05:37:12 AM

jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


You mist be new here, jigger.

NEVER give Linux_Yes an opening like that.

I have three Linux boxes, and Linux_Yes's kneejerk support of Linux makes me want to re-install
Windows on all of them.....
 
2012-11-14 05:40:12 AM

Linux_Yes: clovis69: Linux_Yes: for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

I've not been impressed with Mint's I/O over USB 3 or network compared to Ubuntu.

The default UI is better though.


well its Ubuntu under the hood.


What? You don't run LMDE, Linux_Yes???

You may as well be wiping the Windows on Steve Balmer's limousine then.
 
2012-11-14 08:36:47 AM

Bad_Seed: Linux_Yes: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights..

Yes, can it play full screen flash video at a decent framerate yet?



yes it can. flash at full screen looks great on my monitor. i'm running 64 bit flash, btw.
 
2012-11-14 08:37:43 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes: clovis69: Linux_Yes: for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

I've not been impressed with Mint's I/O over USB 3 or network compared to Ubuntu.

The default UI is better though.


well its Ubuntu under the hood.

What? You don't run LMDE, Linux_Yes???

You may as well be wiping the Windows on Steve Balmer's limousine then.



no.

64 bit Linux Mint 13 with the MATE desktop. Schweet.
 
2012-11-14 08:38:39 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes: clovis69: Linux_Yes: for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

I've not been impressed with Mint's I/O over USB 3 or network compared to Ubuntu.

The default UI is better though.


well its Ubuntu under the hood.

What? You don't run LMDE, Linux_Yes???

You may as well be wiping the Windows on Steve Balmer's limousine then.



and steve ballmer needs a limo, because his fat ass could not get a girlfriend without one.
 
2012-11-14 08:39:30 AM

DjangoStonereaver: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?

You mist be new here, jigger.

NEVER give Linux_Yes an opening like that.

I have three Linux boxes, and Linux_Yes's kneejerk support of Linux makes me want to re-install
Windows on all of them.....



you may want to, but deep down you know it would be a mistake down the road....
 
2012-11-14 08:40:59 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.

And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.



you are correct. you run what Monopoly$oft decides you are going to run. how's that Freedom thing working out for ya'??
 
2012-11-14 08:43:53 AM

Linux_Yes: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights.

it uses (usually) the ext4 filesystem, so defragging is all but completely unnecessary.
it is a clone of UNIX, well known as the most secure OS available.

its faster. 95% of all supercomputers in the world run Linux.

its much more customizable. you can configure it pretty much any way you want

its command line interface (shell) is much more powerful than windows. u can do everything from the command line, or you can point and click, your preference.

it does not slow down over time like windows can. same speed as the day it was installed.

its code is Open Source. so anyone who can program can look at the source code. all bugs are shallow if enough eyeballs are looking at it. microsoft is closed source so only their programmers have access to the source code.

bugs are fixed quicker, see above.

don't need antivirus, because of the way Linux is designed. the noise that hackers don't write viruses because so few use Linux is BULLshiat. 66+% of all web servers in the world are running Linux --- a wonderful target for virus writers.

AVATAR and most animated movies are now rendered on Linux servers. because its so fast and so much more scalable.

its free of cost because it is built by a community of programmers around the world.

i loved XP (at the time) until i got a taste of Linux, then i never looked back. it gave me my computer back.

for newbies, the best desktop Linux, imo, is Linux Mint.

even the U.S. Navy (as well as the NSA, etc) is moving to Linux with their drone fleet because they were tired of dealing with viruses and they learned Linux is more reliable than windows.

Linux is the fastest growing OS in the world, except the U.S. where Microsoft does everything they can to keep a grip on the OEM market.

that should keep you for awhile anyways.

Linux and Open Source ...



oops, did i mention Android is Linux too??
 
2012-11-14 08:51:13 AM

Linux_Yes:

oops, did i mention Android is Linux too??.


And you'd be wrong.

Using the Linux kernel does not equal it "Being Linux".

Different userland, different OS.
 
2012-11-14 08:52:05 AM
I use linux a lot. I'm typing this on a 64 bit Mint laptop. i have linux servers at work, and a server & workstation at home running linux.

Linux_Yes makes me want to install windows on all of them, just to piss him off.

When I can install and run games that people want to play, and GOOD office apps, then come talk to me. Until then, Windows runs business & home computing and will continue to do so. You are not helping.
 
2012-11-14 09:13:37 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes:

oops, did i mention Android is Linux too??.

And you'd be wrong.

Using the Linux kernel does not equal it "Being Linux".

Different userland, different OS.



here we go, again.


Android is a Linux-based operating system designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers. It is currently developed by Google in conjunction with the Open Handset Alliance.[2] Initially developed by Android Inc, whom Google financially backed and later purchased in 2005,[9] Android was unveiled in 2007 along with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 86 hardware, software, and telecommunication companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[10]

Google releases the Android code as open source, under the Apache License.[1


Link


you're welcome.
 
2012-11-14 09:22:24 AM

Linux_Yes: DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes:

oops, did i mention Android is Linux too??.

And you'd be wrong.

Using the Linux kernel does not equal it "Being Linux".

Different userland, different OS.


here we go, again.


Android is a Linux-based operating system designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers. It is currently developed by Google in conjunction with the Open Handset Alliance.[2] Initially developed by Android Inc, whom Google financially backed and later purchased in 2005,[9] Android was unveiled in 2007 along with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 86 hardware, software, and telecommunication companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[10]

Google releases the Android code as open source, under the Apache License.[1


Link


you're welcome.


Pity that the Linux kernel is licensed under the GPL, not Apache.

Therefore it is not the same kernel, and therefore not the same OS.
 
2012-11-14 10:28:21 AM

Linux_Yes: i could go on and on.


and usually do.
/i think i see your PR problem....
 
2012-11-14 10:48:32 AM

DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes: DjangoStonereaver: Linux_Yes:

oops, did i mention Android is Linux too??.

And you'd be wrong.

Using the Linux kernel does not equal it "Being Linux".

Different userland, different OS.


here we go, again.


Android is a Linux-based operating system designed primarily for touchscreen mobile devices such as smartphones and tablet computers. It is currently developed by Google in conjunction with the Open Handset Alliance.[2] Initially developed by Android Inc, whom Google financially backed and later purchased in 2005,[9] Android was unveiled in 2007 along with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 86 hardware, software, and telecommunication companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices.[10]

Google releases the Android code as open source, under the Apache License.[1


Link


you're welcome.

Pity that the Linux kernel is licensed under the GPL, not Apache.

Therefore it is not the same kernel, and therefore not the same OS.



but its all Open Source, baby.

and that is the future.

have a nice day!
 
2012-11-14 11:03:19 AM

Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.

And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.


you are correct. you run what Monopoly$oft decides you are going to run. how's that Freedom thing working out for ya'??


I will make sure to tell that to my employer, the makers of various software packages I need to complete my work, as well as the manufacturers of various software packages that I require to connect to instrumentation that I use in the field, that it's their fault I use Windows.

So no Microsoft isn't deciding what I can run. It's the world. Many software packages I use day to day are for small markets and there is no way that they are going to make versions for Mac let alone Linux, ever.
 
2012-11-14 11:15:45 AM

Linux_Yes: Bad_Seed: Linux_Yes: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights..

Yes, can it play full screen flash video at a decent framerate yet?


yes it can. flash at full screen looks great on my monitor. i'm running 64 bit flash, btw.


Yeah, well it sucked last time I tried it, halting and stuttering. That's when I uninstalled Linux. No point in messing around with an O/S that can't get the basics to work. Now that Win 7 is here, I've got no reason to go back. At least not until they release Android for desktop.
 
2012-11-14 11:23:56 AM

Bad_Seed: Linux_Yes: Bad_Seed: Linux_Yes: jigger: Linux_Yes: when a window closes, you realize that Linux is better.

What does Linux do better than Windows?


i could go on for hours but i'll stick with some highlights..

Yes, can it play full screen flash video at a decent framerate yet?


yes it can. flash at full screen looks great on my monitor. i'm running 64 bit flash, btw.

Yeah, well it sucked last time I tried it, halting and stuttering. That's when I uninstalled Linux. No point in messing around with an O/S that can't get the basics to work. Now that Win 7 is here, I've got no reason to go back. At least not until they release Android for desktop.



i use Nvidia chip graphics cards because they have the best drivers for Linux. AMD/ATI are getting better, but Nvidia has always been the best for Linux drivers.

its not Linux that sucked, its the lack of good drivers which are released by the company that made the chip

the Open source commnity tried to get nvidia and others to release their windows drivers/specs to they could write drivers for Linux but the companies said no.
 
2012-11-14 11:26:23 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.

And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.


you are correct. you run what Monopoly$oft decides you are going to run. how's that Freedom thing working out for ya'??

I will make sure to tell that to my employer, the makers of various software packages I need to complete my work, as well as the manufacturers of various software packages that I require to connect to instrumentation that I use in the field, that it's their fault I use Windows.

So no Microsoft isn't deciding what I can run. It's the world. Many software packages I use day to day are for small markets and there is no way that they are going to make versions for Mac let alone Linux, ever.


because Microsoft owns the OEM market. and they keep competition to a minimum.
 
2012-11-14 11:37:08 AM
Linux_Yes has so effectively threadshiat that there is very little useful information regarding Sinofsky's departure. I usually ignore your childish exuberance but you've tried to take over another thread. Does anybody MODERATE these threads after they've been approved?

Douchebag, why do YOU give a shiat what anyone else uses? Why do you proselytize Linux? [rhetorical question because I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU DO]

You're a cliché.

You might become my 1st ignore threadshiatter.

NOCGFY
 
2012-11-14 11:40:36 AM

Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.

And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.


you are correct. you run what Monopoly$oft decides you are going to run. how's that Freedom thing working out for ya'??

I will make sure to tell that to my employer, the makers of various software packages I need to complete my work, as well as the manufacturers of various software packages that I require to connect to instrumentation that I use in the field, that it's their fault I use Windows.

So no Microsoft isn't deciding what I can run. It's the world. Many software packages I use day to day are for small markets and there is no way that they are going to make versions for Mac let alone Linux, ever.

because Microsoft owns the OEM market. and they keep competition to a minimum.


riveraveblues.com

The point is that the companies that make the software I use don't make it for millions of people. The market is more like thousands. It makes no sense for them to make it for a tiny handful of people who might use Mac or Linux. Therefore they only make software for one system, Windows.

But you go ahead and keep telling yourself that Steve Balmer is the devil, have fun with that.
 
2012-11-14 11:42:01 AM
SFW


Link
 
2012-11-14 11:52:56 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes: Representative of the unwashed masses: Linux_Yes:

Wall of text ...


Yes but can it run the programs that I need to use for work that are made for Windows only?

No?

Then it wouldn't be useful to me.


Wine does a good job but won't run everything.

And that right there is the reason that Linux will never be the domiant OS on the market. It's like making a car that runs on vinegar. I can get gasoline anywhere but there are no vinegar stations. Therefore it will not appeal to the mass market and have to be content for specialist or hobbyist markets.


you are correct. you run what Monopoly$oft decides you are going to run. how's that Freedom thing working out for ya'??

I will make sure to tell that to my employer, the makers of various software packages I need to complete my work, as well as the manufacturers of various software packages that I require to connect to instrumentation that I use in the field, that it's their fault I use Windows.

So no Microsoft isn't deciding what I can run. It's the world. Many software packages I use day to day are for small markets and there is no way that they are going to make versions for Mac let alone Linux, ever.

because Microsoft owns the OEM market. and they keep competition to a minimum.

[riveraveblues.com image 235x206]

The point is that the companies that make the software I use don't make it for millions of people. The market is more like thousands. It makes no sense for them to make it for a tiny handful of people who might use Mac or Linux. Therefore they only make software for one system, Windows.

But you go ahead and keep telling yourself that Steve Balmer is the devil, have fun with that.



you would be shocked at all the open source software available for what was once only available in proprietary format.
 
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