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(Telegraph)   On the bright side of Obama's reelection, sales are up. Well, for guns anyway. (With handy pics. of what the press is sure to call AK-47s)   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 185
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2012-11-13 07:00:23 AM
Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?
 
2012-11-13 07:14:07 AM

Nofun: Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?


Yes, but they were as always... wrong.
 
2012-11-13 07:21:42 AM
Good friend of mine went to a gun show here in Florida and sold crap loads of guns for outrageous prices. He said he couldn't stop laughing at the rubes.
 
2012-11-13 07:36:32 AM
These people never tire of getting fleeced.
 
2012-11-13 07:38:15 AM
I went to a gun show last weekend with the hopes of picking up some bulk ammunition, but nobody had any. What they did have was a boatload of way overpriced AR-15s.

Most of the people with booths are right-wing nutters, but they're clearly not against fleecing other nutters whose brains are soaked with paranoia.
 
2012-11-13 08:27:21 AM
It should be noted Obama is coming for YOUR guns.

/not really
//but the NRA will convince you he is
///no matter what facts and logic say
 
2012-11-13 09:06:50 AM
This sounds familiar. Can't help but wonder just how freaked these people would be if they voted in the proven gun-grabber. Glad the NRA didn't tell it's members to vote for him...
 
2012-11-13 09:10:00 AM
Target sales are also up:
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2012-11-13 09:23:54 AM
www.majhost.com
 
2012-11-13 10:01:31 AM
I wish I owned guns so I could price gouge in the nimrods.
 
2012-11-13 10:13:46 AM
A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.
 
2012-11-13 10:17:21 AM

dr_blasto: I went to a gun show last weekend with the hopes of picking up some bulk ammunition, but nobody had any. What they did have was a boatload of way overpriced AR-15s.

Most of the people with booths are right-wing nutters, but they're clearly not against fleecing other nutters whose brains are soaked with paranoia.



Pretty much. And like you say, you can't find an SP1 for anything under $1000 unless it is a rusted hulk with a shattered and chipped grip. Which is weird considering you can go to your local Academy and buy a *new* .223, 16" barrel, redneck special for $800 or less (and people are buying them like crazy).
 
2012-11-13 10:31:21 AM
Gun nuts are nuts when it comes to guns?

/you don't say
 
2012-11-13 10:54:24 AM
Piss away those welfare checks, teabaggers. God knows you don't need any more food.
 
2012-11-13 10:55:20 AM
There is plenty of money to be made from the paranoid right pandering to their fear and xenophobia. All you have to do is find a way to cash in.
 
2012-11-13 10:55:35 AM
If the Right Wing Gun Nuts ever take over America just shoot me.
 
2012-11-13 10:56:15 AM

Raharu: Nofun: Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?

Yes, but they were as always... wrong.


Ho ho ho. I want all Farkers to revisit this comment in April 2015
 
2012-11-13 10:56:31 AM
SECEDE!
 
2012-11-13 10:56:56 AM
I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???
 
2012-11-13 10:57:35 AM
ironically im going to try to sell my rifle later today or tomorrow... not cause i want to gouge but because i want to buy my Ninja 300 instead
/well the gouging aspect does increase my cashflow...
//seriously waited until the election because of this reason
 
2012-11-13 10:58:15 AM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


Pretty much. Living in GA, it's teabaggers and churches everywhere. The south is still steeped in its pre-Civil War mindset.
 
2012-11-13 10:59:03 AM

UberDave: Pretty much. And like you say, you can't find an SP1 for anything under $1000


Well it is a Colt.

Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.
 
2012-11-13 10:59:49 AM
Think I'll hit the range today.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:46 AM
As someone who bought a bunch of SWHC stock back in August I'm glad the paranoid right is as predictable as always.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:49 AM
Obama did say that he wants to establish another assault weapons ban.
 
2012-11-13 11:01:00 AM

BillCo: [www.majhost.com image 420x600]


You laugh, but in 2009 he was considered gun salesman of the year by a number of different publications.
 
2012-11-13 11:01:00 AM
Gun sales in America are soaring in the wake of President Barack Obama's re-election with weapons retailers reporting AK-47s flying off shelves "like hotcakes."

The Telegraph be trollin'!
 
2012-11-13 11:01:21 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Piss away those welfare checks, teabaggers. God knows you don't need any more food.


Some of those red states from the welfare map went blue this election....do you think democrats will ever post the image again?
 
2012-11-13 11:01:37 AM
Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around. The people that Barnum was talking about.
 
2012-11-13 11:02:22 AM
Apparently things are going to change drastically now that Obama is President.
 
2012-11-13 11:02:27 AM
Please, no real American would use an AK-47. That's a marxist weapon.
 
2012-11-13 11:02:59 AM
Should have bought stock in gun companies before election night. If there's any industry in America that's recession proof, it's the firearms business.

The liquor companies might also be a good example.
 
2012-11-13 11:03:07 AM
I'm debating getting a Sig 551A1 SBR or a AKS-74U Krinkov as my panic purchase.

I'm not sure if it is a panic when the paperwork takes 6 months.
 
2012-11-13 11:04:02 AM

trotsky: Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around. The people that Barnum was talking about.


This. A fool and his money, etc.
 
2012-11-13 11:05:13 AM
These stupid Teahaddist assholes have driven up prices on ammo to the point that a lefty commie pinko liberal like myself just can't afford a couple of boxes of shells to go out and shoot skeet.

Hey, dipshiats: Do you know the only piece of firearms legislation Obummer has signed? You can now take guns into national parks. That's it. Stop driving up prices based on your fantasies.
 
2012-11-13 11:06:21 AM
Isn't this a repeat of 2008?
 
2012-11-13 11:07:43 AM

trotsky: Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around. The people that Barnum was talking about.


Went to a gun show a couple of weeks ago and picked up a 'correct' M1 in excellent condition from some guy walking around. All the parts match July 1943. Probably paid too much for it though. Need to replace the unmodified op rod with a 'new' one and take it to the range.
 
2012-11-13 11:08:25 AM

China White Tea: Please, no real American would use an AK-47. That's a marxist weapon.


pegitboard.com 

AKs have their pros. The best one being it still works when dirty and not properly maintained. Definitely a plus in a civil war where basic services and supply lines have broken down.
 
2012-11-13 11:08:26 AM
Subby lacks any understanding of firearms. The pictured firearms are clearly Glocks.
 
2012-11-13 11:09:42 AM

basemetal: A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.


I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.
//And lots of powder and primers.
 
2012-11-13 11:09:52 AM
Love him or hate him, Obama has provided effortlessly yet another opportunity for anyone with spare firearms in the safe to SELL HIGH. Now is the time to trim your inventory, if you have "spares" and I know several people that do.

Let the free market benefit you directly for once!
 
2012-11-13 11:10:21 AM
Nov. 2008: "YOU BETTER BUY GUNS BEFORE HE WON'T LET YOU." Spike in sales.
Nov. 2008 - Nov. 2012: no new gun laws, no talk of new gun laws
Nov. 2012: "YOU BETTER BUY GUNS BEFORE HE WON'T LET YOU." Spike in sales.

Firearms sounds like an easy industry.

/someone want to find the fark post from last time?
 
2012-11-13 11:10:47 AM

calm like a bomb: These stupid Teahaddist assholes have driven up prices on ammo to the point that a lefty commie pinko liberal like myself just can't afford a couple of boxes of shells to go out and shoot skeet.


This lefty commie pinko liberal reloads his own.
 
2012-11-13 11:10:57 AM
Just wait until Zimmerman is dusted off.
 
2012-11-13 11:10:58 AM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


Only you can determine the handgun model and caliber that is best suited for you. Try to find a local gun range that offers a diverse selection of rental firearms.

I am pleased with my Springfield Armory XD .45ACP compact, but I do not begrudge anyone who chooses a different model.
 
2012-11-13 11:11:17 AM
I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.
 
2012-11-13 11:11:30 AM
I remember I went to buy some rounds for the range shortly after the 2008 election, not even thinking anything about it, and walked into the place I usually purchase from to find the shelves more depleted that I've ever seen them. The guy behind the counter tells me that they've put everything they had in stock on the shelves and it would be a while before they got another shipment. It was only then that it struck me that the place had been emptied by the raving nutbags. I just had to shake my head and laugh.
 
2012-11-13 11:12:14 AM

ElFugawz: Nov. 2008: "YOU BETTER BUY GUNS BEFORE HE WON'T LET YOU." Spike in sales.
Nov. 2008 - Nov. 2012: no new gun laws, no talk of new gun laws
Nov. 2012: "YOU BETTER BUY GUNS BEFORE HE WON'T LET YOU." Spike in sales.

Firearms sounds like an easy industry.

/someone want to find the fark post from last time?


*No practical talk of legislation
 
2012-11-13 11:12:26 AM
Serious firearms enthusiasts know to have their purchases completed and delivered before the party conventions. Then hunker down until April of the following year.

The urge is strong to dip into my milsurp supply and sell at a 500% mark-up from November to January, but I can't be bothered, because I didn't plan for that.

I buy with a plan towards a year's worth of shooting when I buy my ammo. i have a long-range event in April. I bought my NM ammo last July, enough for nine months of practice and a couple days of shooting. You get a good discount at those volumes. Just check your inventory every six months and make sure you're good for another twelve.
 
2012-11-13 11:12:41 AM

PiffMan420: Should have bought stock in gun companies before election night. If there's any industry in America that's recession proof, it's the firearms business.

The liquor companies might also be a good example.


Bought Ruger stock a couple years back (up 125%) wish I had bought it earlier than that.
 
2012-11-13 11:12:55 AM

basemetal: A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.


Is there a special line at the gun store for people who aren't raving lunatics but just want to buy a gun at the regular price?

Maybe if you can stare at a picture of the President for 60 seconds without turning red you can get the "reasonable person" price.
 
2012-11-13 11:13:32 AM
Fark it, I'll make my own:

englishrussia.com

englishrussia.com

englishrussia.com

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englishrussia.com

englishrussia.com

englishrussia.com

englishrussia.com
 
2012-11-13 11:13:57 AM
I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.
 
2012-11-13 11:14:08 AM

Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.


President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.
 
2012-11-13 11:14:57 AM

Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.


Additionally, you have approximately three minutes to purchase this AR-15 for $725.
 
2012-11-13 11:15:28 AM

Dimensio: I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.
//And lots of powder and primers.



Don't use lead weights

Buy your powder and primer at a gun show or dealer to avoid paying ~$40 hazardous material mailing fees.

Avoid the vibrating brass cleaners like the plague. Get a Thumler Tumbler. They're quiet and will last decades.
 
2012-11-13 11:16:07 AM
I wanted to do my part, especially since my range is having their once a year members sale this evening.
I had talked myself into a nice little Taurus 992 Tracker. (I shoot a lot, and love my 22's!)
Just called them, and they are sold out!
// so much for trying to do my part!
 
2012-11-13 11:16:24 AM
Hey wing/gun nuts:

WE GET IT. HE'S BLACK.

/14GOP88
 
2012-11-13 11:16:28 AM

CygnusDarius: Fark it, I'll make my own:

[englishrussia.com image 640x480]

[englishrussia.com image 800x600]

[englishrussia.com image 800x600]

[englishrussia.com image 850x637]

[englishrussia.com image 800x600]

[englishrussia.com image 800x600]

[englishrussia.com image 800x600]

[englishrussia.com image 768x1024]


Looks like some of the items that were on sale at Durra.

Ever been to the FATA?
 
2012-11-13 11:17:57 AM
It makes sense that they want to defend themselves since Obama has been rounding up and executing conservatives for the last four years.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:14 AM

Giltric: Looks like some of the items that were on sale at Durra.

Ever been to the FATA?


Nope, but apparently, those are made by the Chechen rebels, so great minds think alike?.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:53 AM
a4.mzstatic.com
 
2012-11-13 11:19:05 AM

SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.


How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.
 
2012-11-13 11:19:54 AM

nmemkha: AKs have their pros. The best one being it still works when dirty and not properly maintained. Definitely a plus in a civil war where basic services and supply lines have broken down.


fark you, commie! You're the reason fartbongo is going to turn the nation into a muslin paradise.
 
2012-11-13 11:20:18 AM

Dimensio: Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.

President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.


As a resident of NYS, I fully understand how stupid and nonsensical that piece of legislation was. COLLAPSIBLE STOCKS AND PISTOL GRIPS OH GNOES!!!111
 
2012-11-13 11:22:10 AM

dofus: Dimensio: I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.
//And lots of powder and primers.


Don't use lead weights

Buy your powder and primer at a gun show or dealer to avoid paying ~$40 hazardous material mailing fees.

Avoid the vibrating brass cleaners like the plague. Get a Thumler Tumbler. They're quiet and will last decades.


I had planned on just using my dishwasher. Perhaps your suggestion is preferable.
 
2012-11-13 11:22:25 AM
humorcastle.com
 
2012-11-13 11:22:30 AM
Tell me about it. I was going to wait until my next paycheck to buy some bulk ammo for my ever-expanding Mosin Nagant collection, but when I went to my favored online ammo supply shop I was greeted by a long letter on the front page pre-apologizing for their slow response time and low stock due to extraordinarily high demand and an unforseen immediate spike in wholesale costs as of Nov 6.

So I guess I'll have to take a bite early just to avoid being left out. Thanks, you empty-headed SHTF wet dream fantasists. When I grow up, I wanna be just like you!
 
2012-11-13 11:22:35 AM

China White Tea: nmemkha: AKs have their pros. The best one being it still works when dirty and not properly maintained. Definitely a plus in a civil war where basic services and supply lines have broken down.

fark you, commie! You're the reason fartbongo is going to turn the nation into a muslin paradise.


That it! I am going to shoot ... at you and miss. Instead, I'll hit the 50 people on either side of you, a few birds, and maybe put a few divots in the grass.
 
2012-11-13 11:22:48 AM

CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.


Requires a few pieces of fairly cheap machinery to make reloads. Definitely not illegal at all (IANAL, I live in Pennsylvania); I have a friend with buckets of reloads in his basement.
 
2012-11-13 11:23:21 AM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


The kind with an 18" barrel, a full tubular magazine underneath it, and a nice shoulder stock.  Preferably in 12 gauge.
 
2012-11-13 11:24:26 AM

Dimensio: dofus: Dimensio: I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.
//And lots of powder and primers.


Don't use lead weights

Buy your powder and primer at a gun show or dealer to avoid paying ~$40 hazardous material mailing fees.

Avoid the vibrating brass cleaners like the plague. Get a Thumler Tumbler. They're quiet and will last decades.

I had planned on just using my dishwasher. Perhaps your suggestion is preferable.


My vibrating brass cleaner works damn well. What exactly's wrong with them?
 
2012-11-13 11:24:49 AM
I go to the shows from time to time, and there's always signs out in front of various booths telling people to hurry up and buy before *insert democrat name* takes them away.

Fact is, your crazy to blow all your money buying up as much as you can. If there's a war on our soil, there will be plenty of people shoving in to your hands, better weapons than you can legally buy today.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have a few of them yourself with lots of ammo, but don't be frightened in to blowing all your disposable income on a big stockpile.
 
2012-11-13 11:25:22 AM
And so, my dreams of owning and shooting a Walther P99 go unfulfilled for another year at least.
 
2012-11-13 11:26:12 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Target sales are also up:
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images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-13 11:26:20 AM

CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.


It's very legal and a lot of people, myself included, do it. For larger caliber stuff, say 308 Win and up, you can save ~60% off store bought. For smaller stuff, the savings is less. For 25 auto and 9 mm, it probably isn't worth it unless you're going to set up to reload thousands of rounds. I mostly hand load .223 Remington with match bullets for about two thirds of what Wal*Mart sells the crappy stuff for and they shoot inside a half inch at 100 yards. Of course a 'tack driver' rifle helps :)
 
2012-11-13 11:26:37 AM

EdNortonsTwin: I go to the shows from time to time, and there's always signs out in front of various booths telling people to hurry up and buy before *insert democrat name* takes them away.

Fact is, your crazy to blow all your money buying up as much as you can. If there's a war on our soil, there will be plenty of people shoving in to your hands, better weapons than you can legally buy today.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea to have a few of them yourself with lots of ammo, but don't be frightened in to blowing all your disposable income on a big stockpile.


That's assuming the ones doing the panic-buying are thinking logically. Paranoia is big business. Play into their fears and prejudices and cash-in big time.
 
2012-11-13 11:27:43 AM
The same thing happened after he was elected the first time. The whackos are convinced that this time, the Dangerous N!gg3rs are coming for their white womens.
 
2012-11-13 11:28:44 AM

Kit Fister: My vibrating brass cleaner works damn well. What exactly's wrong with them?


They're noisy and they tend to shake themselves apart after a while. Perhaps the one I had was junk, I don't know. I went with the red tumbler and haven't looked back.
 
2012-11-13 11:28:51 AM
So what are all these guns for? Who do they think is going to attack?
 
2012-11-13 11:29:17 AM

Sybarite: I remember I went to buy some rounds for the range shortly after the 2008 election, not even thinking anything about it, and walked into the place I usually purchase from to find the shelves more depleted that I've ever seen them. The guy behind the counter tells me that they've put everything they had in stock on the shelves and it would be a while before they got another shipment. It was only then that it struck me that the place had been emptied by the raving nutbags. I just had to shake my head and laugh.


I looked online at the typical sellers. Almost all of them are out of non-match non-tracer 5.56/.223

It's always the stupid people ruining all the fun stuff for everyone else.
 
2012-11-13 11:29:33 AM

Clutch2013: And so, my dreams of owning and shooting a Walther P99 go unfulfilled for another year at least.


You could buy online.
 
2012-11-13 11:34:39 AM

calm like a bomb: These stupid Teahaddist assholes have driven up prices on ammo to the point that a lefty commie pinko liberal like myself just can't afford a couple of boxes of shells to go out and shoot skeet.



$6.49/ 25 box. They were around $4.50 back in the early 90's. 9 mm $10.95/ 50 box. Up from $9.00 during the same time period.

ZOMG, skyrocketing!
 
2012-11-13 11:35:06 AM

basemetal: A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.


Where is he? Last year, at a Georgia gun show, I bought 1000 rds 9mm ($220) and 500 rds .40 ($135) As of today, those prices are exactly the same, both at the show and over the 'net.

Sept 2011, from a different retailer, I bought I bought 1000 rds 9mm ($172) and 500 rds .40 ($110) As of today, those prices are $20 higher over the 'net.

I'm not seeing the doubling prices and running-out-of-ammo situation. I can order thousands of rounds of ammo today for almost the same cost as I paid last year. I don't see why other people, with access to the same websites, are unable to do the same.
 
2012-11-13 11:35:32 AM

Deep Contact: So what are all these guns for? Who do they think is going to attack?


If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.
 
2012-11-13 11:36:29 AM

dr_blasto: Sybarite: I remember I went to buy some rounds for the range shortly after the 2008 election, not even thinking anything about it, and walked into the place I usually purchase from to find the shelves more depleted that I've ever seen them. The guy behind the counter tells me that they've put everything they had in stock on the shelves and it would be a while before they got another shipment. It was only then that it struck me that the place had been emptied by the raving nutbags. I just had to shake my head and laugh.

I looked online at the typical sellers. Almost all of them are out of non-match non-tracer 5.56/.223

It's always the stupid people ruining all the fun stuff for everyone else.


I love this: "Idiots are buying up all the ammo *I* wanted to buy!".

I have yet to note a shortage of black powder, linen, lead, or flints.
 
2012-11-13 11:37:48 AM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-13 11:41:40 AM
Tinfoil hats R Us, to add a third shift.
 
2012-11-13 11:43:33 AM
"What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." --Barrack Obama

Then Mr. President, you are a moron, or at least so steeped in nonsensical political rhetoric, you can't see the facts.

Chicago, the place where you, Mr. President cut your political teeth, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest murder rates, violent crime rates, and highest incidents of gun violence.

Across the US, generally speaking, the places that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. During your administration, Mr. President, the number of semiautomatic rifles on the streets of the US has skyrocketed, as have the number of semiautomatic pistols that come equipped with clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. If what you are saying is true, the US should now resemble Beirut during the high of the civil war there in the 1980s. In reality, the national violent crime rate has declined.

www.fbi.gov

At best, there is no correlation between gun laws and the violent crime rate, if anything it is a negative correlation.

You, Mr. President, have work out a plan to see that trillions in debt is repaid. You have to work out a budget and get it through Congress that is balanced or at least heading in that direction just once during your time in office. We have enemies in foreign lands who have stated that they will kill us if given the chance. We have enemies both in foreign lands and domestically that poison our children with drugs and thus far we have shown no ability to stop them. The money spent on making sure Billy Bob can't get his 7.62 semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round clip would be much better spent on mental health diagnosis and treatment and programs that steer youth away from gangs and drugs in our inner cities. You, Mr. President, have other things to worry about. Leave this issue alone--it's only an issue for people who want to blame car for the drunk driver killing the soccer mom in a head on collusion.
 
2012-11-13 11:45:56 AM

hdhale: "What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." --Barrack Obama

Then Mr. President, you are a moron, or at least so steeped in nonsensical political rhetoric, you can't see the facts.

Chicago, the place where you, Mr. President cut your political teeth, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest murder rates, violent crime rates, and highest incidents of gun violence.

Across the US, generally speaking, the places that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. During your administration, Mr. President, the number of semiautomatic rifles on the streets of the US has skyrocketed, as have the number of semiautomatic pistols that come equipped with clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. If what you are saying is true, the US should now resemble Beirut during the high of the civil war there in the 1980s. In reality, the national violent crime rate has declined.

[www.fbi.gov image 800x600]

At best, there is no correlation between gun laws and the violent crime rate, if anything it is a negative correlation.

You, Mr. President, have work out a plan to see that trillions in debt is repaid. You have to work out a budget and get it through Congress that is balanced or at least heading in that direction just once during your time in office. We have enemies in foreign lands who have stated that they will kill us if given the chance. We have enemies both in foreign lands and domestically that poison our children with drugs and thus far we have shown no ability to stop them. The money spent on making sure Billy Bob can't get his 7.62 semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round clip would be much better spent on mental health diagnosis and treatment and programs that steer youth away from gangs and drugs in our inner cities. You, Mr. President, have other thin ...


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Settle down, Beavis.
 
2012-11-13 11:53:17 AM
I don't know about AR's, but I just picked up a very nice scoped revolver for hunting (454 casull) at a very fair price.
 
2012-11-13 11:55:35 AM

dofus: Went to a gun show a couple of weeks ago and picked up a 'correct' M1 in excellent condition from some guy walking around. All the parts match July 1943. Probably paid too much for it though. Need to replace the unmodified op rod with a 'new' one and take it to the range.


What's a nice Garand going for these days? I've got a few extras, if the money is right.
 
2012-11-13 11:57:37 AM

dofus: Kit Fister: My vibrating brass cleaner works damn well. What exactly's wrong with them?

They're noisy and they tend to shake themselves apart after a while. Perhaps the one I had was junk, I don't know. I went with the red tumbler and haven't looked back.


I have a 20 year old dillon that's still going strong without any issues...
 
2012-11-13 11:58:14 AM
It would be nice if we had that ban on assault weapons back..

Safety aside, it's be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.
 
2012-11-13 12:02:17 PM

pxlboy: Deep Contact: So what are all these guns for? Who do they think is going to attack?

If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.


Amazingly, people are allowed to believe whatever they want so long as they do nothing to harm society and act within the law. How dare they!
 
2012-11-13 12:04:35 PM

havocmike: It would be nice if we had that ban on assault weapons back..

Safety aside, it's be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.


It would be nice if we had that ban on news aggregators back..

Safety aside, it'd be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.

If the premise that media hysteria and violent language/imagery induces the crazies to commit mass murder, then maybe we should ban the media!
 
2012-11-13 12:04:51 PM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


An .88 magnum.
 
2012-11-13 12:05:17 PM

dr_blasto: I went to a gun show last weekend with the hopes of picking up some bulk ammunition, but nobody had any. What they did have was a boatload of way overpriced AR-15s.

Most of the people with booths are right-wing nutters, but they're clearly not against fleecing other nutters whose brains are soaked with paranoia.


The stupid thing with the paranoids is:

If Republicans control the government: The Dems are going to win and ban all guns as the first order of business.

If the Dems control the government: The Dems didn't ban all guns last term, but now they are going to.

Thus no matter what, prices jump during the election. It seems to be ~6 to 8 months before a midterm election you start to see the climb and a year or so before a presidential.

/bought a bunch of bulk ammo last year and have been avoiding guns until the post election slump sometime in Winter 2013
 
2012-11-13 12:06:16 PM

pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.


On the one end of the scale, people are hoarding ahead of what they feel is an inevitable re-introduction of the AWB. That made pre-ban stuff (high-capacity magazines, for instance) really valuable for resale. Also they're trying to "beat the rush" that will drive up ammo prices, even though they're too late and are definitely buying high. These folks do use the ammunition they buy: hunting, range time, you know, even if the "inevitable" part of the AWB is iffy.

On the far end of the scale, obviously you have the NRA devotees that eat up every word out of La Pierre's mouth like you said. They buy guns, ammo, canned goods and watch that survivalist reality show for pointers instead of schadenfreude.
 
2012-11-13 12:09:13 PM

djh0101010: What's a nice Garand going for these days? I've got a few extras, if the money is right.


It depends a lot on what parts are on it and the condition of the barrel. Anywhere from $450 to $2500. I wouldn't mind having something decent I can take to the range without having to worry about the fact that it's a valuable collector's item. That would be about $800-$1000 worth I guess.

Wouldn't mind swapping private emails on the subject but I've never done that on Fark and pretty much don't have the time to figure it out
 
2012-11-13 12:14:42 PM

Dimensio: Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.

President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.


I wonder how much he got "donated" to superPACs that support him for that line. He knew he'd be looking at a Republican dominated house after this election (Yay Gerrymandering!) so the opportunity to actually sign such a piece of legislation was zero. He should be selected as "Firearm salesman of the year" again in 2013.
 
2012-11-13 12:17:57 PM

pxlboy: TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???

Pretty much. Living in GA, it's teabaggers and churches everywhere. The south is still steeped in its pre-Civil War mindset.


That's "War of Northern Aggression", Georgia boy.

/Once lived in Alabama, and am proud of the "once"
 
2012-11-13 12:18:42 PM

hdhale: "What I'm trying to do is to get a broader conversation about how do we reduce the violence generally. Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced." --Barrack Obama

Then Mr. President, you are a moron, or at least so steeped in nonsensical political rhetoric, you can't see the facts.

Chicago, the place where you, Mr. President cut your political teeth, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. It also has one of the highest murder rates, violent crime rates, and highest incidents of gun violence.

Across the US, generally speaking, the places that have the strictest gun control laws have the highest violent crime rates. During your administration, Mr. President, the number of semiautomatic rifles on the streets of the US has skyrocketed, as have the number of semiautomatic pistols that come equipped with clips that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition. If what you are saying is true, the US should now resemble Beirut during the high of the civil war there in the 1980s. In reality, the national violent crime rate has declined.

[www.fbi.gov image 800x600]

At best, there is no correlation between gun laws and the violent crime rate, if anything it is a negative correlation.

You, Mr. President, have work out a plan to see that trillions in debt is repaid. You have to work out a budget and get it through Congress that is balanced or at least heading in that direction just once during your time in office. We have enemies in foreign lands who have stated that they will kill us if given the chance. We have enemies both in foreign lands and domestically that poison our children with drugs and thus far we have shown no ability to stop them. The money spent on making sure Billy Bob can't get his 7.62 semiautomatic rifle with a 30 round clip would be much better spent on mental health diagnosis and treatment and programs that steer youth away from gangs and drugs in our inner cities. You, Mr. President, have other things to worr ...


Dude, you got trolled by a master. Seriously, since no AWB showed up in early 2009, it never will. As far as I can tell Obama wanted to see if the dog whistle really works in a way that could be measured. I think the answer is "Oh shiat, Pavlov was right!"
 
2012-11-13 12:19:10 PM
Great. Paranoid conservative assholes are going to start hoarding ammo again, making my occasional trips to the range unaffordable. Again. Effing loonies.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:49 PM
Has anything changed since Obama got an "F" rating from a gun control advocacy group? What has got these gun nuts so scared?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gi v es-obama-an-f
 
2012-11-13 12:23:49 PM
So hold on.

When card hold NRA member middle-aged white men stockpile restricted firearms, mags, and ammo - it's because why? The King of England or some shiat?

But when Sideshow Bob does it, it's because he's obviously a psycho and people should have seen his murder rampage coming a mile away?
And god forbid a Black or Hispanic person even own a firearm. That would be grounds for being deported, even if they were born here.
 
2012-11-13 12:25:34 PM
The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:36 PM

dittybopper: dr_blasto: Sybarite: I remember I went to buy some rounds for the range shortly after the 2008 election, not even thinking anything about it, and walked into the place I usually purchase from to find the shelves more depleted that I've ever seen them. The guy behind the counter tells me that they've put everything they had in stock on the shelves and it would be a while before they got another shipment. It was only then that it struck me that the place had been emptied by the raving nutbags. I just had to shake my head and laugh.

I looked online at the typical sellers. Almost all of them are out of non-match non-tracer 5.56/.223

It's always the stupid people ruining all the fun stuff for everyone else.

I love this: "Idiots are buying up all the ammo *I* wanted to buy!".

I have yet to note a shortage of black powder, linen, lead, or flints.


I really want a cap-and-ball BP pistol reproduction. Those things are neat.
 
2012-11-13 12:28:51 PM

MadHatter500: Dude, you got trolled by a master. Seriously, since no AWB showed up in early 2009, it never will. As far as I can tell Obama wanted to see if the dog whistle really works in a way that could be measured. I think the answer is "Oh shiat, Pavlov was right!"


I wouldn't say never. During the 1st term, Obama had this free healthcare thing he wanted to push through. All of his capital was spent on that, then it was time to keep quiet so he could win re-election. Now, he's got no worry on re-election for the following year so if he wanted, he could blow his wad on this. Honestly, I don't think he will. That's one area where he's surprised me - in spite of his personal leanings, he actually signed the law that allowed firearms in Federal parks.
 
2012-11-13 12:29:02 PM

Dimensio: basemetal: A friend of mine called me from a gun show this weekend. Said ammo prices had damn near doubled over last year's prices. Idiot's drive that market increase, give it two years and prices will go down again.

I should purchase a reloading kit.

/And lead weights.
//And lots of powder and primers.


I was reading some gun threads on reddit/r/guns and some people were reporting primers as hard to get or very expensive.

I haven't checked, myself.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:41 PM
First time Obama was elected I traded a AK clone I paid $250 for straight up for a $1200 20ga O/U (always wanted one, could never afford it). So I'm kinda glad...

This time around I didn't have the funds needed to build up trade goods, so I've just been helping a FFL buddy of mine at gunshows... $100/day pay, work my butt off but worth it for both of us.
 
2012-11-13 12:32:59 PM

Giltric: Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.


Aww, DPMS is bad? They were on my potential list for a first build eventually. I've got DPMS, RRA and LMT all within an hour drive, was planning on some combination from each. Now to rethink!
 
2012-11-13 12:37:03 PM
I'm sure that there is absolutely no reason why the firearms industry supported NRA would make false claims or induce a false panic in gun-toting retards. Certainly no reason that I can think of. Nope, none at all. I'd say that it's all on the up-and-up, so you better stock up now before Obammy comes to confiscate your guns and ammo! Glock is running a post-election special right now - 2 guns for the price of 3! Hurry, while supplies last!
 
2012-11-13 12:43:19 PM

fruitbatnt: And god forbid a Black or Hispanic person even own a firearm.


Might want to look up who McDonald of McDonald v. Chicago is.
 
2012-11-13 12:45:54 PM

angry_scientist: Giltric: Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.

Aww, DPMS is bad? They were on my potential list for a first build eventually. I've got DPMS, RRA and LMT all within an hour drive, was planning on some combination from each. Now to rethink!


Not bad per se, perfectly fine for a general gun. I can give a big thumbs up to LMT though, mines been performing flawlessly.
 
2012-11-13 12:51:07 PM

trotsky: Gun shows are hives of stupidity and ignorance. I like going to them to get deals on stuff (idiots selling good milsurp to buy some sub-par AK (Century) or AR). But the people who attend them, and jack prices, are the biggest morons around.


Century is just an importer. I have a Yugo AK from them that I would take the pepsi challenge with it to any other semi-auto AK. Even their cheapo WASR-10's will go bang every time you pull the trigger and put the bullet within a salad plate at 200 yards, which is all you can ask out of an assault rifle.
 
2012-11-13 01:01:22 PM

Nofun: Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?


These are the same people who bought firearms at a 400% markup when he was elected last time and ended up having to sell them all for pennies on the dollar when the economy collapsed. Now they are doing the same thing again, because like Obama will take all their guns just like he did the last time he was elected. After all the NRA said so, and so you should have voted for the guy who signed in the massive restrictions to gunrights in MA when he was Governor instead of the guy who has done nothing to restrict firearms access whatsoever.
 
2012-11-13 01:01:42 PM
Actually, all of Mitt's friends are skeet shooters. I'm buying clay pigeon futures.

i76.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-13 01:01:50 PM

dr_blasto:
I really want a cap-and-ball BP pistol reproduction. Those things are neat.


you can buy the kits fairly cheap @ Cabella's, the Navy .36 Cal. is less than $300 and includes, caps, powder, patches. Everything you need to bring out your inner Josie Whales.

Unless you live in New Jersey.
 
2012-11-13 01:14:15 PM

2CountyFairs: The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.


The real fear is that a UN Small Arms treaty, even if the US doesn't sign it, might make foreign ammo and guns more expensive, and perhaps unattainable in some cases, in the US. That will drive prices up, cut down the diversity of guns available for a while, and perhaps permanently limit the types of guns and ammo that could be imported, not because we won't let it in, but because the signatories have agreed not to sell them anymore.

The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).
 
2012-11-13 01:15:16 PM

havocmike: It would be nice if we had that ban on assault weapons back..

Safety aside, it's be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.


What "lolz" would result from prohibiting a popular subset of a rarely criminally misused class of firearms based upon cosmetic appearance?
 
2012-11-13 01:16:08 PM

YixilTesiphon: fruitbatnt: And god forbid a Black or Hispanic person even own a firearm.

Might want to look up who McDonald of McDonald v. Chicago is.


Heh. Imagine his look of horror: "OMG, the NRA supported a black man in his right to bear arms! Michael Moore *LIED* to me!"
 
2012-11-13 01:17:35 PM

mod3072: I'm sure that there is absolutely no reason why the firearms industry supported NRA would make false claims or induce a false panic in gun-toting retards.


The NSSF is the industry supported group. The NRA is a user's group that is occasionally at odds with individual manufactures, for example Smith and Wesson in 2000, and Ruger back in 1994.
 
2012-11-13 01:18:25 PM

havocmike: It would be nice if we had that ban on assault weapons back..

Safety aside, it's be worth it just for the lolz it would cause.


What "lolz" would result from prohibiting a popular subset of a rarely criminally misused class of firearms based upon cosmetic appearance?

MadHatter500: Dimensio: Doom MD: I was dreading something like this happening. I was in my local gun shop the day after the election looking for some solvent. The Herp Derp patrol was in a frenzy. I wanted to get an AR15 for xmas but if the prices are insane forget it. This is why we cant have nice things. Btw, I saw the debates, I thought Obama and Romney both sort of dismissed the gun debate question. Has Obama actually said he'd reinstitute the AWB? That was a real piece of garbage legislation.

President Obama did explicitly endorse a renewed "assault weapons ban" fraud during the second Presidential debate.

I wonder how much he got "donated" to superPACs that support him for that line. He knew he'd be looking at a Republican dominated house after this election (Yay Gerrymandering!) so the opportunity to actually sign such a piece of legislation was zero. He should be selected as "Firearm salesman of the year" again in 2013.


A possibility exists that President Obama is genuinely as ignorant of firearm issues as "birthers" are of reality.
 
2012-11-13 01:18:35 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: dr_blasto:
I really want a cap-and-ball BP pistol reproduction. Those things are neat.

you can buy the kits fairly cheap @ Cabella's, the Navy .36 Cal. is less than $300 and includes, caps, powder, patches. Everything you need to bring out your inner Josie Whales.

Unless you live in New Jersey.


Buy a Uberti. Of the repro cap and ball revolvers, they are the best quality.
 
2012-11-13 01:21:03 PM

dittybopper: 2CountyFairs: The paranoia I've been reading about (by people I know that I didn't think was this insane) is with the UN small weapons ban treaty. They really believe that it will apply to all guns throughout the country and that if the US signs this treaty and fails to take away the guns from the people, then the UN will come in and take them. It's crazy. This election has completely stripped any shreds of sanity that my more extreme right wing friends had left.

The real fear is that a UN Small Arms treaty, even if the US doesn't sign it, might make foreign ammo and guns more expensive, and perhaps unattainable in some cases, in the US. That will drive prices up, cut down the diversity of guns available for a while, and perhaps permanently limit the types of guns and ammo that could be imported, not because we won't let it in, but because the signatories have agreed not to sell them anymore.

The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).


That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.
 
2012-11-13 01:34:19 PM

2CountyFairs: That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.


They are a tiny subset.
 
2012-11-13 01:41:37 PM
Obama will take away our guns!
Obama will take away our guns!
Obama will take away our guns!
bmadore.squarespace.com
Obama will take away our guns! 
 

/You've won. Shuddup already.
 
2012-11-13 01:43:08 PM

pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.


Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.
 
2012-11-13 01:46:03 PM

Chakro: PiffMan420: Should have bought stock in gun companies before election night. If there's any industry in America that's recession proof, it's the firearms business.

The liquor companies might also be a good example.

Bought Ruger stock a couple years back (up 125%) wish I had bought it earlier than that.


Yeah, God, I wish I'd bought into Ruger. The herp derp patrol is strong.

I mean, I thought my parents were pretty smart, but they're card-carrying NRA members and buy into it (heh) lock, stock, and barrel. Rahm Emanuel being in Chicago, home of the local gun ban? Proof. The increased sales? More proof. High ammo prices? Still more proof. If Obama never tries it, they and their NRA buddies will be smug because they'll know, they'll just know, their angry rhetoric stopped the HUSSEIN Obummer from taking their guns.
 
2012-11-13 01:47:57 PM

The Irresponsible Captain: Obama will take away our guns!
Obama will take away our guns!
Obama will take away our guns!
[bmadore.squarespace.com image 800x430]
Obama will take away our guns!  

/You've won. Shuddup already.


As soon as people stop spreading the lies, misinformation, and fear associated with "look, a guy got shot with a crossbow! BAN ASSAULT RIFLES!" and other such talking points, we'll be happy to stop bringing up data to refute the claims.
 
2012-11-13 01:48:46 PM

djh0101010: pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.

Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.


This.
 
2012-11-13 01:52:22 PM

Kit Fister: djh0101010: pxlboy: If you're kidding, I had a good laugh at that. If not, it's a paranoid fantasy that the "government" is going to ban guns and go house-to-house confiscating them.

Yes, there are people who really believe this. And are still allowed to buy firearms.

Yeah, that's just crazy talk. Oh wait, it's not. Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." [Chris W. Cox (2004-03-07). "2nd Amendment Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in". The San Francisco Chronicle]

While Obama might not have gun control at the top of his list, I certainly don't trust him to stand up against Feinstein, Schumer, Pelosi, Clinton, and the others, if they decide it's time to give it a try again. Hooray for congressional deadlock, I guess.

This.


After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.
 
2012-11-13 01:52:51 PM

dittybopper: 2CountyFairs: That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

They are a tiny subset.


Unfortunately, that "tiny subset" is also the most prominent in their objections, and thus counter-arguments are tailored to their irrational concerns rather than to legitimate concerns regarding firearm and ammunition imports.
 
2012-11-13 01:58:13 PM

Kit Fister: As soon as people stop spreading the lies, misinformation, and fear associated with "look, a guy got shot with a crossbow! BAN ASSAULT RIFLES!" and other such talking points, we'll be happy to stop bringing up data to refute the claims.


Please, do show us the data explaining how Obama is all set to take all the guns now that he's won the election.
 
2012-11-13 02:04:41 PM

Dimensio: dittybopper: 2CountyFairs: That's not their fear, though. They don't say "we'll pay more for ammo" or "we won't have access to foreign made guns". The people I'm talking about are foaming at the mouth because they think that the treaty will allow the UN to come to their home and take their guns and that the treaty will nullify the 2nd amendment.

They are a tiny subset.

Unfortunately, that "tiny subset" is also the most prominent in their objections, and thus counter-arguments are tailored to their irrational concerns rather than to legitimate concerns regarding firearm and ammunition imports.


Doesn't that pretty much apply to everything? The squeaky wheel, and all that? Is that not, in fact, a perfect encapsulation of human nature?
 
2012-11-13 02:05:24 PM

djh0101010: Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995


Well, at least you're not still living in the 80's.
 
2012-11-13 02:10:22 PM

Raharu: Nofun: Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?

Yes, but they were as always... wrong.


Guns = the economy?
 
2012-11-13 02:11:09 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: It should be noted Obama is coming for YOUR guns.

/not really
//but the NRA will convince you he is
///no matter what facts and logic say


i asked this in another thread, but perhaps you can lend a hand

my boss goes on at length about how he needs to stock up on ammo and guns

when i dared to say 'i don't think there are any new laws about taking all guns, maybe something about full auto rifles, but i'm not even sure about that'

he called me naive - with all due respect, of course

thanks
 
2012-11-13 02:11:10 PM
Mrs. JailhouseFistfark and I did enjoin the NRA to gain free access to the gun show last year. Furthermore, I live only a few miles from the NRA headquarters where they have a lovely shooting range and membership in their organization affords me a discount on range-time. McBOOM.

Indeed, the Derp factor is alarming, and unfortunately that demographic can rationalize pretty much everything. No appeal to fact or reason will register. When you point out that he signed that National Parks act, they say, "Oh, well he HAD to do that to get the credit card bill passed" or some such thing. Derp.
 
2012-11-13 02:14:34 PM
He's totally going to take away everyone's guns this time. He just didn't have time to do it during his first term.
 
2012-11-13 02:15:59 PM
And Dick's Sporting Goods has discounts on the ammo, though as someone else pointed out, it's still expensive. Winchester 9mm Lugar is regularly $14 for a 50-round box, right now on sale for about $11. CheaperThanDirt's got sweet deals on bulk, but then the shipping can make the cost close to the Gun and Sporting Goods store's sale prices.

I do like the shooting, though, as it is an extension of my penis. This is particularly true for my deliciously phallic Mossberg 500 12ga. shotgun. Oh, to stroke the pump action as it discharges it's thick and potent slug is immensely gratifying. The heat, the thrust of the butt, firmly and irresistably squeezing that trigger until it releases again...such power, it is glorious. Afterwards we are bruised and spent.
 
2012-11-13 02:18:22 PM

dittybopper: After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.


All I heard him say this election is that he'd see if it was possible. And it's not possible. He doesn't have the votes. This would be filibustered and challenged in the courts.
 
2012-11-13 02:26:09 PM

Thunderpipes: Raharu: Nofun: Aren't these the same people who said Obama would be bad for the economy?

Yes, but they were as always... wrong.

Guns = the economy?


No, the economy = the economy.
 
2012-11-13 02:29:40 PM

CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.


I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.
 
2012-11-13 02:31:53 PM

Lando Lincoln: djh0101010: Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

Well, at least you're not still living in the 80's.


She's still a sitting senator.
 
2012-11-13 02:34:05 PM

SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.


You don't have room for a Lee Loader?

www.titanreloading.com

Must be a very small apartment.
 
2012-11-13 02:40:03 PM

PanicMan: dittybopper: After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.

All I heard him say this election is that he'd see if it was possible. And it's not possible. He doesn't have the votes. This would be filibustered and challenged in the courts.


This election wasn't about legislation. It was about the Supreme Court. Heller and McDonald were both decided by bare 5 to 4 majorities.
 
2012-11-13 02:41:33 PM

Lando Lincoln: djh0101010: Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

Well, at least you're not still living in the 80's.


She's still in the Senate. So is Chuck Schumer, and a bunch of other anti-gun congresscritters.
 
2012-11-13 02:43:57 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: I do like the shooting, though, as it is an extension of my penis. This is particularly true for my deliciously phallic Mossberg 500 12ga. shotgun. Oh, to stroke the pump action as it discharges it's thick and potent slug is immensely gratifying. The heat, the thrust of the butt, firmly and irresistably squeezing that trigger until it releases again...such power, it is glorious. Afterwards we are bruised and spent.


You may wish to consult a urologist or a gunsmith. Possibly both.
 
2012-11-13 02:43:58 PM

dittybopper:
The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).


The Supremacy Clause says otherwise.

/Having an off day or just trolling.
//Poked through without looking.
 
2012-11-13 02:45:16 PM

dittybopper: SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.

You don't have room for a Lee Loader?

[www.titanreloading.com image 413x450]

Must be a very small apartment.


I am considering installation of a small table in the corner of my bedroom for setup of a reloading station. I do not know how easily I will be able to cast bullets, however, should I choose to do so.
 
2012-11-13 02:45:29 PM

angry_scientist: Giltric: Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.

Aww, DPMS is bad? They were on my potential list for a first build eventually. I've got DPMS, RRA and LMT all within an hour drive, was planning on some combination from each. Now to rethink!


They might be good....but I have 4 Colts in various configurations and 2 Noveskes....from high speed low drag to totally tacti-cool....so I may be biased.
 
2012-11-13 02:48:40 PM

angry_scientist: Giltric: Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.

Aww, DPMS is bad? They were on my potential list for a first build eventually. I've got DPMS, RRA and LMT all within an hour drive, was planning on some combination from each. Now to rethink!


I have enjoyed my DPMS Panther Lite 16 A3 rifle, though I am a more casual shooter.

/Still have not tested my Beta-C magazine.
 
2012-11-13 02:55:44 PM

angry_scientist: Giltric: Trying to compare it to ill machined mom and pop manufacturers like a Stag or DPMS is kind of stupid.

Aww, DPMS is bad? They were on my potential list for a first build eventually. I've got DPMS, RRA and LMT all within an hour drive, was planning on some combination from each. Now to rethink!


It was suggested to me by two DPMS owners not to get one when I was getting my first AR15. I ended up with a DS Arms AR15. It has worked flawlessly. 3k+ rounds of mostly steel cased, not a single FTE/FTF, accurate, only ran me $700 (in 2010).
 
2012-11-13 02:57:43 PM

dittybopper: Zeb Hesselgresser: dr_blasto:
I really want a cap-and-ball BP pistol reproduction. Those things are neat.

you can buy the kits fairly cheap @ Cabella's, the Navy .36 Cal. is less than $300 and includes, caps, powder, patches. Everything you need to bring out your inner Josie Whales.

Unless you live in New Jersey.

Buy a Uberti. Of the repro cap and ball revolvers, they are the best quality.


Are they? That 1860 Army looks nice.
 
2012-11-13 03:25:24 PM
Great. Just when I start running low on ammo the gun nuts have gone and decided to panic buy once again driving up the cost.
 
2012-11-13 03:25:32 PM

Giltric: so I may be biased.


Dimensio: DPMS Panther Lite 16 A3


Lincey: DS Arms AR15


All great info, thanks. After finding my STG58 not as tinker friendly as I'd hoped, and still kinda expensive to feed! I think an AR platform may be just the ticket. The options and selection is just beautiful, like a .223 shooting lego
 
2012-11-13 03:30:30 PM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


Handgun? Glock 17 with a whole lot of 33 round magazines. It shoots 9mm which is one of the more inexpensive rounds out there.

For home protection a sturdy 12 Guage pump shotgun is pretty effective. Load it with 00 buckshot.

Honestly though, if we are talking about home protection there are a number of things that can be done to deter someone from even entering before you get into a gunfight. Shooting is a last resort scenario.
 
2012-11-13 03:30:42 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper:
The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).

The Supremacy Clause says otherwise.

/Having an off day or just trolling.
//Poked through without looking.


Nope:

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957)

From the actual decision:

Article VI, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, declares:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; . . ."
There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution. Nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification of the Constitution which even suggests such a result. These debates, as well as the history that surrounds the adoption of the treaty provision in Article VI, make it clear that the reason treaties were not limited to those made in "pursuance" of the Constitution was so that agreements made by the United States under the Articles of Confederation, including the important peace treaties which concluded the Revolutionary War, would remain in effect. [Footnote 31] It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions.


In other words, Constitution trumps all. Even if we signed a treaty making it illegal for civilians to own guns, *AND* the Senate ratified it, it would still be a nullity because of the Second Amendment.
 
2012-11-13 03:33:03 PM

JDAT: Handgun? Glock 17 with a whole lot of 33 round magazines clips


Sorry, pet peeve
 
2012-11-13 04:08:44 PM

tallguywithglasseson: JDAT: Handgun? Glock 17 with a whole lot of 33 round magazines clips

Sorry, pet peeve


Sorry, you're wrong
 
2012-11-13 04:10:38 PM

Doom MD: Sorry, you're wrong


New here? This is pretty standard Fark silliness, nothing more.
 
2012-11-13 04:12:37 PM

Doom MD: Sorry, you're wrong


Jesus Christ, you guys are worse than correcting a Star Trek nerd on a fact about the Millennium Falcon.
 
2012-11-13 04:20:03 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Doom MD: Sorry, you're wrong

Jesus Christ, you guys are worse than correcting a Star Trek nerd on a fact about the Millennium Falcon. Serenity


You think you'd at least get the right show.
 
2012-11-13 04:33:20 PM

factoryconnection: Doom MD: Sorry, you're wrong

New here? This is pretty standard Fark silliness, nothing more.


Damn, I took the bait.
 
2012-11-13 05:05:53 PM

angry_scientist: Giltric: so I may be biased.

Dimensio: DPMS Panther Lite 16 A3

Lincey: DS Arms AR15

All great info, thanks. After finding my STG58 not as tinker friendly as I'd hoped, and still kinda expensive to feed! I think an AR platform may be just the ticket. The options and selection is just beautiful, like a .223 shooting lego


If .223 itself becomes too costly to fire regularly, CMMG offers an inexpensive and easy to install bolt carrier replacement kit to convert the firearm to fire .22LR ammunition (total installation time is typically less than one minute). Cheaper Than Dirt also sells a.22LR AR-15 50-round drum magazine that actually works well and that is easy to load.
 
2012-11-13 05:10:02 PM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper:
The sky won't fall, of course, because the US Constitution trumps any treaty in the US, but there are potential problems with it, mainly related to cost (we import most of that cheap ammo).

The Supremacy Clause says otherwise.

/Having an off day or just trolling.
//Poked through without looking.

Nope:

Reid v. Covert, 354 U.S. 1 (1957)

From the actual decision:

Article VI, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, declares:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof, and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; . . ."
There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution. Nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification of the Constitution which even suggests such a result. These debates, as well as the history that surrounds the adoption of the treaty provision in Article VI, make it clear that the reason treaties were not limited to those made in "pursuance" of the Constitution was so that agreements made by the United States under the Articles of Confederation, including the important peace treaties which concluded the Revolutionary War, would remain in effect. [Footnote 31] It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions.

In other words, Constitution trumps all. Even if we signed a treaty making it illegal for civilians to own guns, *AND* the Senate ratified it, it would still be a nullity because of the Second Amendment.


That case was about whether the protections of the Constitution apply to US citizens being tried by US authorities outside the territory of the United States. It was in direct response and clarification of the decision regarding the power of consular authorities to try US citizens in foreign countries. It was not about the applicability of duly ratified treaties freely entered into by the United States, which is why the United States has not ratified certain treaties in recent years.
 
2012-11-13 06:38:32 PM

tblax: Has anything changed since Obama got an "F" rating from a gun control advocacy group? What has got these gun nuts so scared?

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/76717-gun-control-group-gi v es-obama-an-f


Oh, I don't know.
Maybe this?
Link
 
2012-11-13 07:04:27 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: That case was about whether the protections of the Constitution apply to US citizens being tried by US authorities outside the territory of the United States. It was in direct response and clarification of the decision regarding the power of consular authorities to try US citizens in foreign countries. It was not about the applicability of duly ratified treaties freely entered into by the United States, which is why the United States has not ratified certain treaties in recent years.


Let me quote the relevant part again:

"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions."

That's a general principle, not a narrow holding on some particular set of facts.

And it could be no other way, either: Under your reading, a treaty ratified by the Senate could in theory dissolve the United States, which is patently ridiculous, and one of the hypotheticals considered in that case. Constitution trumps everything. Even ratified treaties.
 
2012-11-13 07:05:07 PM
Even old crows can be wrong once in a while.
 
2012-11-13 07:07:50 PM

dittybopper: PanicMan: dittybopper: After all, he has explicitly said he'd like to re-enact the Assault Weapons Ban, and make it permanent. It was even part of his platform in 2008. We're just taking him at his word.

All I heard him say this election is that he'd see if it was possible. And it's not possible. He doesn't have the votes. This would be filibustered and challenged in the courts.

This election wasn't about legislation. It was about the Supreme Court. Heller and McDonald were both decided by bare 5 to 4 majorities.


And the most recent SCOTUS justices lied to the Senate about supporting existing gun cases. They wanted to throw Heller out during McDonald.
 
2012-11-13 07:12:27 PM

Dimensio: dittybopper: SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.

You don't have room for a Lee Loader?

[www.titanreloading.com image 413x450]

Must be a very small apartment.

I am considering installation of a small table in the corner of my bedroom for setup of a reloading station. I do not know how easily I will be able to cast bullets, however, should I choose to do so.


I could probably make or find room for a small station, but again my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.
 
2012-11-13 07:16:49 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Dimensio: dittybopper: SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.

You don't have room for a Lee Loader?

[www.titanreloading.com image 413x450]

Must be a very small apartment.

I am considering installation of a small table in the corner of my bedroom for setup of a reloading station. I do not know how easily I will be able to cast bullets, however, should I choose to do so.

I could probably make or find room for a small station, but again my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.


None of their business. How would they really know? Put the stuff in a desk drawer when not using it (you can C-clamp a press to the desk when using it, unless you go whole-hog and get a progressive). Landlord wouldn't find out. Not that it's anything illegal anyway.
 
2012-11-13 08:39:24 PM

HST's Dead Carcass: It should be noted Obama is coming for YOUR guns.


Then I'd better rush out and buy more.

They'd never take my new ones.
 
2012-11-13 09:13:44 PM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: That case was about whether the protections of the Constitution apply to US citizens being tried by US authorities outside the territory of the United States. It was in direct response and clarification of the decision regarding the power of consular authorities to try US citizens in foreign countries. It was not about the applicability of duly ratified treaties freely entered into by the United States, which is why the United States has not ratified certain treaties in recent years.

Let me quote the relevant part again:

"It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States to exercise power under an international agreement without observing constitutional prohibitions."

That's a general principle, not a narrow holding on some particular set of facts.

And it could be no other way, either: Under your reading, a treaty ratified by the Senate could in theory dissolve the United States, which is patently ridiculous, and one of the hypotheticals considered in that case. Constitution trumps everything. Even ratified treaties.


No, it was narrowly directed at the government's argument that her rights under the Constitution were waived by the treaty due to extraterritoriality. it directly affected two murder cases where insanity was claimed by the defendants but disallowed by the Court Martial.
 
2012-11-13 09:27:28 PM
Better hurry before Obama takes your guns and herd derp de derp MERICA'
 
2012-11-13 09:50:36 PM

SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.


Reloading doesn't take a lot of room and it's probably safer than your meth lab.
 
2012-11-13 10:23:34 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Dimensio: dittybopper: SN1987a goes boom: CygnusDarius: SN1987a goes boom: I wish these crazy assholes would kill themselves and stop driving up the price of guns/ammo, especially ammo.

How hard is it to make your own ammo, or is it illegal?.

I live in an apartment building. No room, and my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.

You don't have room for a Lee Loader?

[www.titanreloading.com image 413x450]

Must be a very small apartment.

I am considering installation of a small table in the corner of my bedroom for setup of a reloading station. I do not know how easily I will be able to cast bullets, however, should I choose to do so.

I could probably make or find room for a small station, but again my landlords would probably be pretty pissed.


You seem to think there is something particularly dangerous about reloading. There are probably more dangerous items under youur sink than a cannister of smokeless powder and a few hundred primers. Modren smokeless powder burns, it doesn't explode and it is not terribly sensitive to shock or friction. Don't reload by candle light or burn incense on your reloading table. Primers will go off if you hit them solidly or maybe if you step on one on a tile floor but they are about as loud as a cap pistol (if you are old enough to remember what one sounded like before the far left PC crowd banned them). If your landlord is an extreme anti-gun nut he would be pissed if he found out you owned a gun to reload ammunition for in the first place. Move someplace that respects your rights.
 
2012-11-14 12:20:51 AM
Funny thing is that Barry would totally do it if he could get the votes in either house of congress. Romney would have held it out as a bargaining chip. Not happening when the reps just have to close ranks and it stops literally anything, and they will do it just to score political points. Gridlock is awesome, and kinda the whole point of the checks and balances system. When the man said "government is best that which governs least" what he meant is that if we hold popularity contests(elections) to weed out the sociopaths from any given population and send them all into one town and turn them all all against eachother, they won't have time to hurt anyone.

Seems to work perfectly for about a century or so, and then things start getting piled up and they can't be undone because the system is based on the idea of retarding anything getting done at all.
 
2012-11-14 12:29:08 AM

China White Tea: Please, no real American would use an AK-47. That's a marxist weapon.


Yeah, but AR-15s were designed by a pothead, so what to do?
 
2012-11-14 01:38:40 AM

TheNewJesus: I live in a red state and I am surrounded by privileged tea-party assholes.

What sort of handgun do you guys suggest so that I can protect myself once these crazies decide to start "revoultion inc."

???


Smith and Wesson M&P 9!
 
2012-11-14 07:25:56 AM

China White Tea: Please, no real American would use an AK-47. That's a marxist weapon.


Why not? It's actually American in origin. Gospodin Kalashnikov cribbed very heavily from our Lord and Savior John Moses Browning. The AK is essentially a Remington Model 8 Police, converted from long recoil action to gas, and to an intermediate cartridge.
 
2012-11-14 11:40:22 AM

djh0101010: Lando Lincoln: djh0101010: Diane Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

Well, at least you're not still living in the 80's.

She's still in the Senate. So is Chuck Schumer, and a bunch of other anti-gun congresscritters.


And you don't understand that the Democrats have moved on from the gun wedge issue since 1995.

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are against the AWB. If they're against it, then it isn't going anywhere.
 
2012-11-14 05:20:40 PM
So the next day after Barry got re-elected I invested in Ruger. My stock went up by 4 bucks in two days. Netted me a cool $250.
Thanks Fartbongo!
 
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