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(Talking Points Memo)   Hey, remember that Senate race I conceded? Never mind. Also, could you count ballots a little faster? It's been like a week now   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 25
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2012-11-13 08:06:55 AM
Oh come on, you already redlit this and greened mine then greened this one? What the hell, admins?

/takes ball
//goes home
 
2012-11-13 08:34:07 AM
Is it just a matter of time, Carmona?
 
2012-11-13 08:34:42 AM
FTFA: The latest figures show Carmona trailing by some 78,000 votes with nearly half a million ballots still uncounted. Victory for the Democrat would be uphill climb by any reckoning, but it's mathematically possible.

Confirmed. The math checks out.

At any rate, why isn't Arizona counting all their votes? Laziness?
 
2012-11-13 08:38:31 AM
It's been a week. Do people in Arizona not know how to count?
 
2012-11-13 08:43:16 AM
I appreciate your trying, Arizona, but we already have a Florida tag.

I really hope Obama pushes federal election reform. There should be uniform policies, procedures, ballots and machines in all 50 states for all federal elections. This embarrassing banana republic circus sideshow needs to end.
 
2012-11-13 08:44:48 AM
Dude, good job and all running in the Arizona Asylum, but it's a lost cause. You got in a hair under 4%, so you beat Nate Silver's expectations. But there's no realistic chance of you pulling this one out. Let's not get pissy like Norm Coleman and send this thing into a months-long recount.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:25 AM

Craptastic: FTFA: The latest figures show Carmona trailing by some 78,000 votes with nearly half a million ballots still uncounted. Victory for the Democrat would be uphill climb by any reckoning, but it's mathematically possible.

Confirmed. The math checks out.

At any rate, why isn't Arizona counting all their votes? Laziness?


Here's a brief article on the issue.

Relevant section: Nearly a third of votes cast in Arizona remained uncounted the day after the election. Most of them were probably cast by Latinos, organized and newly registered by multiple civil rights groups in the state to combat candidates like the notorious Maricopa County Sheriff, Joe Arpaio.

/Get out the latino vote turns into get out, latino vote!
 
2012-11-13 08:54:35 AM

UNC_Samurai: months-long recount.


A precondition to a recount is a count.
 
2012-11-13 08:56:28 AM
Also, could you count ballots a little faster? It's been like a week now

Hold your horses, all right? Election fraud takes time.
 
2012-11-13 09:06:43 AM
Every vote counts and every vote should be counted.
 
2012-11-13 09:07:50 AM
At first I assumed that this was pure, footdraging derp. And then I read the article. Seriously Arizona? Over half a million ballots uncounted? Is there one ninety year old woman with Alzheimer's counting every ballot in the state by hand?
 
2012-11-13 09:08:20 AM

Notabunny: I really hope Obama pushes federal election reform. There should be uniform policies, procedures, ballots and machines in all 50 states for all federal elections. This embarrassing banana republic circus sideshow needs to end.


Once republicans were put in charge of this, we'd never have a fair election in any state ever again. At least the way it is now, no shiat-heel in Arizona can change the way the election is conducted in my state.
 
2012-11-13 09:09:15 AM

sadbad: Is there one ninety year old woman with Alzheimer's counting every ballot in the state by hand?


And shouldn't she be busy with her duties as governor?
 
2012-11-13 09:13:41 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: sadbad: Is there one ninety year old woman with Alzheimer's counting every ballot in the state by hand?

And shouldn't she be busy with her duties as governor?


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2012-11-13 09:23:40 AM
500,000 / 78000 = 6.4...

A 6.4:1 ratio? F--k yeah you wait until they are counted!

/for the record, I agree with Allen West waiting, too, so don't gimme that partisan crap
 
2012-11-13 09:54:58 AM

SineSwiper: 500,000 / 78000 = 6.4...

A 6.4:1 ratio? F--k yeah you wait until they are counted!

/for the record, I agree with Allen West waiting, too, so don't gimme that partisan crap


It seems kinda unlikely he'll win... for every 43 votes in the uncounted pile that the GOP gets, Carmona would need to get more than 82 to make up the deficit. Still though, I agree, this should be counted at least once since it's not outside the bounds of reality that a candidate could have a 2:1 advantage in a small enough sample of votes when the sample has some likely demographic similarities to it (provisional votes, for example are probably more likely to be Dem in a GOP controlled state).
 
2012-11-13 10:24:00 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Once republicans were put in charge of this, we'd never have a fair election in any state ever again. At least the way it is now, no shiat-heel in Arizona can change the way the election is conducted in my state.


Yeah. I don't want the federal government RUNNING the elections, but there do need to be some minimum standards. I was shocked that people were in line for hours. That's straight up bullshiat and there should be penalties imposed on whomever is responsible. When I voted there was no line, and it took 5 minutes, that's how it should be everywhere.

As a side note, the story about the republicans who tried to 'test' voter fraud and got arrested was the funniest day after story.
 
2012-11-13 10:45:45 AM

Notabunny: I appreciate your trying, Arizona, but we already have a Florida tag.

I really hope Obama pushes federal election reform. There should be uniform policies, procedures, ballots and machines in all 50 states for all federal elections. This embarrassing banana republic circus sideshow needs to end.


He's attacking states' rights! Socialism!
 
2012-11-13 10:46:06 AM

Craptastic: At any rate, why isn't Arizona counting all their votes? Laziness?


Republicans can't even run an election, never mind the whole country.
 
2012-11-13 10:50:50 AM
I don't know why the article said it was 'mathematically possible' for him to win. He only needs 58% of the outstanding vote - that is not a terribly difficult thing to do. It isn't like he was down by 480k with 500k left to count.
 
2012-11-13 10:58:09 AM

madgonad: I don't know why the article said it was 'mathematically possible' for him to win. He only needs 58% of the outstanding vote - that is not a terribly difficult thing to do. It isn't like he was down by 480k with 500k left to count.


Yeah, the word "mathematically" really isn't necessary here. It implies a statistical possibility but also a very low probability, which isn't necessarily the case here.
 
2012-11-13 11:10:53 AM

madgonad: I don't know why the article said it was 'mathematically possible' for him to win. He only needs 58% of the outstanding vote - that is not a terribly difficult thing to do. It isn't like he was down by 480k with 500k left to count.


You forgot about that new "Repbulican Math", where the count is wrong until a Republican wins.
 
2012-11-13 02:09:32 PM

madgonad: I don't know why the article said it was 'mathematically possible' for him to win. He only needs 58% of the outstanding vote - that is not a terribly difficult thing to do. It isn't like he was down by 480k with 500k left to count.


You're forgetting some votes are only worth 3/5 of a vote in AZ. Specifically, 2 out of those five votes will be discarded for "irregularities" such as "voting in a predominantly Latino district".
 
2012-11-13 04:29:10 PM

Craptastic: FTFA: The latest figures show Carmona trailing by some 78,000 votes with nearly half a million ballots still uncounted. Victory for the Democrat would be uphill climb by any reckoning, but it's mathematically possible.

Confirmed. The math checks out.

At any rate, why isn't Arizona counting all their votes? Laziness?


Brewer's trying to figure out how to cook the books so that Arpaio keeps his job and Republicans stay in power, I expect.
 
2012-11-14 02:52:31 PM

Craptastic: At any rate, why isn't Arizona counting all their votes? Laziness?


If I understand it correctly, they forced a shiat ton of people to cast provisional ballots, which is a bullshiat process designed to disenfranchise voters. There were at least three ways you could be forced to cast a provisional ballot - they put you on the "designated early voter list" and you voted election day instead, you changed your address and didn't update your voter registration, or you showed up at the polling place with the wrong ID.

Now, some people who were supposed to receive early voting ballots - vote by mail - didn't get their ballots. Those that did and dropped them off within a few days before the election or the day of are still sitting in boxes because Maricopa County only had 11 machines to process something like 200,000 early ballots and they didn't start working on them until after the election, anyway. Those that didn't bring the right ID were going to have to show up at the county office later on with the right ID in order for their provisional ballot to be counted.

Basically, as Maddow said the other night, it was a system "designed to fail" by the birther SOS who put it in place (and also killed about 400 precincts in Maricopa County - from 1140 to 750). No wonder it's such a mess over there.
 
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