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2012-11-13 11:08:08 AM  

Linux_Yes: Joe Blowme: Linux_Yes: sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?

well, if you like sticking your tongue up corporate/wealthy ass and thing the richest 2% should be allowed to do as they please, including taking over your government, then go live with the CONservatives.

if you think Democracy is a good thing and that power must not be allowed to become too concentrated and that the citizens have the right to establish the goverment they choose and to be represented in that government, then go live with the liberals.

its a profoundly easy choice for me. i'm educated and i don't listen to FOX "news" corporate owned propaganda.

"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." - TJ
therein lies the problem...eventually you run out of other peoples money


Democracy works because the masses inherently are right 99% of the time. mob rule?? sure, if you don't have an education system that teaches the citizens how to read. you can't have a democracy without a literate population.

you take any random 1000 people and 99% of the time, they will chose the right path to a problem.

course, the Fascists believe that they are the one's with all the knowledge and wisdom. that is where they fail.

1000 minds will always defeat 20 minds.


You don't deal with the general public often do you?

/or watch "reality" TV shows
 
2012-11-13 11:08:37 AM  

vegasj: amazing.

If liberals deport those who feel this current admin is doing a shiat job... who will be left to pay into the welfare system for the liberals to get their monthly checks?


You do realize that there are a lot of high earning liberals right? It's not just field workers and welfare queens in the left wing. Most of the people I know are liberals. They are also engineers. Engineers make more money than rednecks driving pickups pretending to work while they watch the Mexicans do the actual labor. Engineers make more than the monkeys they train to run around with hardhats and hammers at a job site who think they're smarter than the guy that designed the building they are assembling. Liberals have jobs. Good paying jobs. And it's the conservative states that are the welfare leaches in this country, getting back more in federal money than they pay in taxes.

Sorry if that burst your bubble about how you've decided the world is but that's reality.
 
2012-11-13 11:09:15 AM  
I would sign that petition but there's no guarantee that people who sign the petition to deport those other people who signed that other petition won't be deported too.

i283.photobucket.com

Even the governor of Texas, Rick Perry says it's a terrible idea
 
2012-11-13 11:09:31 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: sorhed: Jon iz teh kewl: indarwinsshadow: Jon iz teh kewl: darwin

Thanks. But. You keep saying British. We're not British. Toronto is a like a cleaner version of Buffalo NY. Hell the border is like a big mish mash of our two countries now.

really a generic city is like another generic city. wow what with the big buildings, and grocery stores, etc..

It's more like Chicago, except with 50 murders a year instead of 500.You seriously cannot get murdered in Canada.

that's cause Canada is so friggin cold. Has basically nothing to do with politics


ok so it's 2 hours away, so temperature is not the problem. i'm guessing maybe the problem MIGHT be due to the vast number of immigrants coming in and out. your country is more or less homogenized.

ANYTHING BUT GUNS
U CAN NEVER TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY
 
2012-11-13 11:09:53 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?


Just send em down to Rapture.
 
2012-11-13 11:12:07 AM  

sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?


Except that in most of the developed world our "liberals" would be conservative and our conservatives would be considered fascists.

/think I'll move to Australia where a god fearing christian man is in charge and I can still own all the guns that god intended or something.
 
2012-11-13 11:14:37 AM  
My favorite thing about these petitions is that they have revealed how many of my friends and family have no idea how to spell the word "secede."
 
2012-11-13 11:15:25 AM  

heavymetal: Those on the left side of the ideological divide have a good choice of places to choose from with decent to good healthcare, solid infrastructure, and national stability like Canada or Sweden.


So long as you're rich and white.

The core of the Democratic party? Not so much.
 
2012-11-13 11:16:34 AM  

Linux_Yes: boogie_down: sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?

50-50 for socialism or fascism would be more accurate.


Democratic Socialism is the term.




"Democratic socialism is a variant of socialism that rejects centralized, elitist or authoritarian means of transitioning from capitalism to socialism."


That doesn't sound like an accurate description. "Centralized, elitist and authoritarian" was basically the current administration's campaign slogan.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:13 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.


That's not the point. The goal is to openly mock these idiots for my entertainment and show that thier petitions mean nothing.
 
2012-11-13 11:18:52 AM  

heavymetal: Rent Party: If we are trolling petitions, let's make them at least believable.

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway"/a>

I am in tears laughing after reading that. I am doing my best not to disturb my co-workers. Masterful troll.


Sign it and SHARE!
 
2012-11-13 11:19:17 AM  
I completely agree with the whole first amendment thing and took that into consideration even before signing the petition. I just want everybody who thought it was a cute idea to start a stupid secession petition to go "Wait... what?" when they read the petition that not only supported, but wished to expedite their secession.

Kind of a "So you want to leave? There are actually people totally willing to help you pack and feed your US Passport through the shredder for you." kinda thing.

I'm not a "AMURKAH! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT YOU COMMIE PINKO!" kinda guy. I firmly believe that we need all walks of life to make this country work. But if you want to leave so badly that you want to actually secede, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
2012-11-13 11:20:39 AM  
God bless America!

I am going to Google a giant American flag and then I'm going to salute it.

And then I'm going to see if the designers of this petition site are smart enough to restrict voting to Americans. If they're not, I'm going to sign the petition. I wonder if I can amend it to exclude deportations to Canada? Hell, I'll throw in Mexico out of neighbourliness. Us NAFTA members have to stick together for the greater good of the Amero.
 
2012-11-13 11:21:42 AM  
I can't be the first. Seriously?

F the south

Link 
(NSFW- Language)

/The big question should be, once you red-states secede, who will care for your people? Because us blue-staters pay for your lazy ignorant asses.
 
2012-11-13 11:22:00 AM  
hoofin.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-13 11:22:14 AM  
Alabama, Florida and Tennessee are getting close to the 25K mark as well now.
 
2012-11-13 11:23:02 AM  

Rent Party: If we are trolling petitions, let's make them at least believable.

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway"/a>


Holy crap, that would be hilarious. I still see stickers here in GA from right-wingers whining about the governor du jour not changing the flag.
 
2012-11-13 11:24:10 AM  
Oh and Louisiana has made 25K. Two petitions that will get told STFU.
 
2012-11-13 11:25:14 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: well if a state leaves we can immediately add Pureto Rico cause it would be cheaper than printing new American flags


The ones made in China? Not even.
 
2012-11-13 11:25:14 AM  

SilentStrider: PETITION

Damn IPad leyboard!


Eh, screw the whole thing.
 
2012-11-13 11:25:35 AM  

heavymetal: Hunter_S_Thompson: h0lmesdaddy: Can someone look up a legal rationale for charging these guys with something and make a real petition to look into formal criminal charges?

So, this is what it's come to? There are actually a substantial number of people who are calling for others to be jailed simply because they are making political statements. Right here in the United States of America. No one else sees a problem with this? I'm really the only one?

I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. To protect the freedom of speech, you have to protect even the most abhorrent speech. I thought that was universally known in this country. (Maybe just not on Fark...who knows)

And we protect scumbags like the Westboro Baptist Church, but we want to throw these guys under the bus? Please tell me most of you are just flexing keyboard muscles, and don't really believe, in your heart, that we should lock people up (or put them in work camps, or re-education camps, as has been suggested) because they have crazy political views.

Because if you really believe that, then you are going out of your way to prove these nutjobs right. A free country does NOT have re-education camps for dissenters, or imprison people for their political views. That is something else entirely.

Lighten up Francis. It is a joke, a "troll", and a way to show the "keyboard seccessionists" how silly they look. Well that or scare them depending how gullible they are.


I know it's trolling, on both sides, but a few commenters here seemed to actually be advocating imprisonment or re-education. If it's a troll, fine. But I can usually tell a troll when I see one, and these guys seemed serious. My WTF meter really pegged, but anyway, carry on.
 
2012-11-13 11:28:25 AM  

pxlboy: Rent Party: If we are trolling petitions, let's make them at least believable.

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway"/a>

Holy crap, that would be hilarious. I still see stickers here in GA from right-wingers whining about the governor du jour not changing the flag.


Another benefit: They'd use up all their ammunition shooting at the Sherman signs.
 
2012-11-13 11:29:39 AM  
Like Lincoln's Plan To Deport All Negroes?

Or, General Grant's General Order 11 Link

"Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand."
General Robert E. Lee, August 1870 to Governor Stockdale of Texas

"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."
Charles Dickens, 1862

"I loved the old government in 1861. I loved the old Constitution yet. I think it is the best government in the world, if administered as it was before the war. I do not hate it; I am opposing now only the radical revolutionists who are trying to destroy it. I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth - men who would not hesitate at no crime, and who have only one object in view - to enrich themselves."
Nathan Bedford Forrest, in an interview shortly after the war

"Any society which suppresses the heritage of its conquered minorities, prevents their history or denies them their symbols, has sown the seeds of their own destruction."
Sir William Wallace, 1281

Honesty, plainly spoken - and all the more vile for it

"The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing... it is very clear that the South gains by this process and we lose. No...we must not let the South go".
Union Democrat Manchester, New Hampshire. 19 February, 1861

And ... bone deep truth ...

"Had the cotton gin of Massachusetts inventor Eli Whitney not come on the scene in the late 1700's, African slavery in this country was most likely doomed. The antislavery and emancipation feeling in the South was ascendant, but thwarted by profitable slave-trading and hungry cotton mills in New England which gave rise to more plantations in the South, and the perpetuation of slavery. And after years of treating the American South as an agricultural colony, New England set out in 1861 to strip it of political power."
Bernhard Thuersam- Director Cape Fear Historical Institute NC.

Truth -

"When the South raised its sword against the Union's Flag, it was in defense of the Union's Constitution."
Confederate General John B. Gordon

And citizens of twenty seven states agree with the man who led the war on the nation's Constitution ...

"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world".
Abraham Lincoln - U.S. Congress, 1847

A little over 10 years later after the South attempted precisely that, Lincoln, when asked, "Why not let the South go in peace"? replied; "I can't let them go. Who would pay for the government"? "And, what then will become of my tariff"?
Abraham Lincoln to Virginia Compromise Delegation March 1861

Sign the Petition for your State, if you love the Constitution.

If you love lawlessness and rule by brute power, continue on as you are.
 
2012-11-13 11:34:52 AM  

Krymson Tyde: Slaxl: All you need to do is designate one state "Republicanland", promise them their independence once all proponents of a Republican Jesus state have moved there. That way it's not in anyway a violation of free speech. It's people getting what they want. Just choose a state you can all be rid of happily, preferably one that is already majority Republican, to avoid the impact on Democrats who will have to move out.

Arizona would work well. We could finance moving everyone out who wants out since we'd ultimately be saving tons of money. Also we could admit Puerto Rico to return to 50 states.


Arizona is beginning a looooong slide to swing-state status, thanks to Hispanic demographics. Utah, on the other hand, shows no sign of changing in any meaningful way for probably another century. Especially if you leave out SLC.
 
2012-11-13 11:38:03 AM  

Clemkadidlefark:

Herpaderp


I am enjoying the crying far, far more than I ever thought. Please proceed, Separatist.
 
2012-11-13 11:40:39 AM  
I approve of this. For the LULz (RIP)
 
2012-11-13 11:40:49 AM  
...aaand with one quarter left to go, it's all tied up in this epic clash between idiots and morons. We'll be back after thses messages...
 
2012-11-13 11:42:37 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Sign the Petition for your State, if you love the Constitution.

If you love lawlessness and rule by brute power, continue on as you are.


Golf clap.
 
2012-11-13 11:43:29 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.


What the Hell do you have all those overseas territories for? Guam, Guantanamo, Puerto Rico, Hawaii? Personally I would choose Alaska but it is not a proper isle, it is a peninsula of Canada. Let them experience global warming first hand since they're so big on denial. The Florida Keys are also a possibility. Lots of global warming and sea level rise to observe first hand there.

Just as long as it is a long swim back to Civilization I don't much care where they are exiled.

As for punishing them for signing a petition being a violation of their First Amendment rights, that never stopped them from violating the constitutional rights of everybody else with their Jim Crow voter suppression and such. I'm sure we could wing a treason charge for illegal succession. After all, the Supreme Court has already decided (1869) that Texas does NOT, contrary to urban legend, have the right to succede, and thus that the only way you can do this is winning a civil war or obtaining a Constitutional Amendment declaring the terms of a legal succession.

You have the right to rule of law. You do not have the right to pick and choose which laws you abide by. You have the right to vote. You do not have the right to ignore other people's votes.

To those who mutter about succession and the Second Revolution and civil disobedience if not civil uprising and war, I say this:

You lost fair and square despite all sorts of double dealing and crookiness on your part or your behalf. If the democratic majority decides on ostracism, ostracism is what you'll get.

Or have you conveniently misrembered the Japanese and German Internment camps? have you forgotten the Indian reservations even though they are still there? and just what did involuntary immigrants do to you that you would deny them the Universal Rights of Man and the rights of American citizenship, right down to the one who was just re-elected President despite widespread denial of his birth, citizenship, and right to be President?

Yep. Now is not the time to agitate for supposed rights that belong especially to you and not to everyone. The Majority is inexorably waking up. The suffrage has inexorably spread to every adult person who is not a felon (and to a lot of not quite adult people who are felons).

Stand against the tide of history and civilization if you must, but be prepared to step aside when politely asked, or else to do your standing behind a chickenwire fence. Chickenwire if you're lucky. The American people are patient, even of certain types of subversion by certain types of people, but they've proven to have limited patience with successionists in the past, and if you want to make it best two out of three, I can only hope they are ready for the re-match.
 
2012-11-13 11:43:30 AM  
cwcrossroads.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-13 11:48:12 AM  

brantgoose: Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.

What the Hell do you have all those overseas territories for? Guam, Guantanamo, Puerto Rico, Hawaii? Personally I would choose Alaska but it is not a proper isle, it is a peninsula of Canada. Let them experience global warming first hand since they're so big on denial. The Florida Keys are also a possibility. Lots of global warming and sea level rise to observe first hand there.

Just as long as it is a long swim back to Civilization I don't much care where they are exiled.

As for punishing them for signing a petition being a violation of their First Amendment rights, that never stopped them from violating the constitutional rights of everybody else with their Jim Crow voter suppression and such. I'm sure we could wing a treason charge for illegal succession. After all, the Supreme Court has already decided (1869) that Texas does NOT, contrary to urban legend, have the right to succede, and thus that the only way you can do this is winning a civil war or obtaining a Constitutional Amendment declaring the terms of a legal succession.

You have the right to rule of law. You do not have the right to pick and choose which laws you abide by. You have the right to vote. You do not have the right to ignore other people's votes.

To those who mutter about succession and the Second Revolution and civil disobedience if not civil uprising and war, I say this:

You lost fair and square despite all sorts of double dealing and crookiness on your part or your behalf. If the democratic majority decides on ostracism, ostracism is what you'll get.

Or have you conveniently misrembered the Japanese and German Internment camps? have you forgotten the Indian reservations even though they are still there? and just what did involuntary immigrants do to you that you would deny them the ...


A reminder of why I have you Farkied as 'sensible Farker'.
 
2012-11-13 11:52:52 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so the left doesn't want to deport people who are in the country illegally, but does want to deport US citizens who exercise their constitutional rights.

that is all you need to know about the left.


Nobody wants to deport anybody, any more than anybody actually wants to secede.
This entire conversation, and the petitions, are horseshiat.
 
2012-11-13 11:53:03 AM  

LittleSmitty: Arctic Phoenix: Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

Guam? That's still in the US, but it's not a state.

Guam is already about to tip over. Add a bunch of Republicans and...

Wait, why am I arguing against this?


You have nothing better to do, like me?

/So it's unanimous, then! Guam!
 
2012-11-13 11:56:28 AM  
No litmus test for Americanism. No litmus test for citizenship in any truly free country--not race, nationality, sex, age, religion, sexual orientation, class, income, education, language or place of origin.

No litmus test for entitlements either.

Your fat white Tea Bagger ass is no more deserving of Medicare than any other. So when you waddle out with your Patriot cosplay and your lawn chairs to demand the Gubbermint keep its hands of your social security or your Medicare, remember to smile, Pilgrim, and say OUR social security and OUR Medicare even though your relatively well-off white middle class conservatives are the biggest pigs with their heads in the trough.

Remember Grandpa, that there are plenty of people who want it, there are plenty of people who need it, and if anybody stands up to be counted in front of the trough, it should be those who need it most, not the Me Toos! who can't be arsed to pay for what they demand and get, let alone to provide for those who are in genuine need, namely the young, the wed and unwed young couples, the children, the rural and urban poor, the marginalized, and the just plain poor hardworking families who work their asses off at umpteen day and night jobs and still can't make ends meet!

Go yell at clouds!

Your fat white Christian ass is no more entitled to create an establishment of religion via the US Government or State governments or any government than any other fat-assed believer, be he or she a Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or Animist.

Your fat white male ass still hasn't gotten around to equal pay for equal work after fifty or sixty years.

Your fat conservative ass is unreconstructed and unredeemed. You're too busy looking out for number one to be a real Christian or a real patriot or even a real Neighbor.
 
2012-11-13 11:57:09 AM  

Clemkadidlefark: Like Lincoln's Plan To Deport All Negroes?

Or, General Grant's General Order 11 Link

"Governor, if I had foreseen the use those people designed to make of their victory, there would have been no surrender at Appomattox Courthouse; no sir, not by me. Had I foreseen these results of subjugation, I would have preferred to die at Appomattox with my brave men, my sword in this right hand."
General Robert E. Lee, August 1870 to Governor Stockdale of Texas

"The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states."
Charles Dickens, 1862

"I loved the old government in 1861. I loved the old Constitution yet. I think it is the best government in the world, if administered as it was before the war. I do not hate it; I am opposing now only the radical revolutionists who are trying to destroy it. I believe that party to be composed, as I know it is in Tennessee, of the worst men on Gods earth - men who would not hesitate at no crime, and who have only one object in view - to enrich themselves."
Nathan Bedford Forrest, in an interview shortly after the war

"Any society which suppresses the heritage of its conquered minorities, prevents their history or denies them their symbols, has sown the seeds of their own destruction."
Sir William Wallace, 1281

Honesty, plainly spoken - and all the more vile for it

"The Southern Confederacy will not employ our ships or buy our goods. What is our shipping without it? Literally nothing... it is very clear that the South gains by this process and we lose. No...we must not let the South go".
Union Democrat Manchester, New Hampshire. 19 February, 1861

And ... bone deep truth ...

"Had the cotton gin of Massachusetts inventor Eli Whitney not come on the scene in the late 1700's, African slavery in this country was most likely doomed. The antislavery and emancipation feeling in the South was ascendant, but thwarted by profitable slave-trading a ...


I like your style - you make me feel smart.
Keep saying things.
 
2012-11-13 11:58:52 AM  

This text is now purple: heavymetal: Those on the left side of the ideological divide have a good choice of places to choose from with decent to good healthcare, solid infrastructure, and national stability like Canada or Sweden.

So long as you're rich and white.

The core of the Democratic party? Not so much.


Yeah, Toronto is pretty damn white:

Toronto is one of the world's most diverse cities by percentage of non-native-born residents, with about 49% of the population born outside Canada.

In 2006, people of European ethnicities formed the largest cluster of ethnic groups in Toronto, 52.6%,[67] mostly of British, Irish, Italian, and French origins. The five largest visible minority groups in Toronto are South Asian (12.0%), Chinese (11.4%), Black (8.4%), Filipino (4.1%) and Latin American (2.6%).[67] Aboriginal peoples, who are not considered visible minorities, formed 0.5% of the population.[67] This diversity is reflected in Toronto's ethnic neighbourhoods, which include Chinatown, Corso Italia, Greektown, Kensington Market, Koreatown, Little India, Little Italy, Little Jamaica, Little Portugal and Roncesvalles.
 
2012-11-13 12:02:17 PM  
1) Declare all requesting states as sovereign nations
2) Deport all those that signed to their home country.

Everybody wins?
 
2012-11-13 12:02:28 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so the left doesn't want to deport people who are in the country illegally, but does want to deport US citizens who exercise their constitutional rights.

that is all you need to know about the left.


Deportations of illegal immigrants have increased during Obama's presidency.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:38 PM  
To everyone arguing about the real merits of this petition, just shut up and sign it.

Obviously the premise is silly. the whole point is that it would be fun to send a great big 100,000 person "Good...get the fark out" message to the thousands of dill holes who signed the secession petitions.

Just sign it... for the lulz
 
2012-11-13 12:08:27 PM  

brantgoose: What the Hell do you have all those overseas territories for? Guam, Guantanamo, Puerto Rico, Hawaii? Personally I would choose Alaska but it is not a proper isle, it is a peninsula of Canada.


Can we just give them the parts that Sarah Palin can see Russia from? Those are islands.
 
2012-11-13 12:11:35 PM  

bacongood: Would this include any idiot who put up one those "Bush isn't my president" signs?

Everyone needs to grow up; we picked from two different flavors of vanilla.


I thought it was chocolate and vanilla.

/That's racist.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:40 PM  

doyner: Slaxl: I did not know signing an online petition was an armed and violent uprising.

The more you know


I'm not sure changing insurrection to sedition is acceptable.

Rent Party: Slaxl: sammyk: Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.

I did not know insurrection was protected speech under the 1st amendment.

I did not know signing an online petition was an armed and violent uprising.

It's not. It's more aptly called "sedition."


Shoulda said that first then, shouldn't he?
 
2012-11-13 12:29:35 PM  
Every time I see General Sherman I think: Sam Vymes of the Watch.

Seriously. Apparently Pratchett had a British actor in mind, while one of the illustrators thought of Clint Eastwood, but for my money, Sherman is Sam Vymes incarnate: a rascally old drunk who's ready to take names and kick ass but hasn't got a note pad to write the names down on but is sure he'll remember them if he needs them.

Turns out he's a distant American cousin of mine through the Taylor family. Hey! I'm cousin to a Discworld character! Yaaaaay!

I'm also descended from the King of Hearts, but that is another story of fiction and fact overlapping in odd ways.
 
2012-11-13 12:32:02 PM  
The Freepers seem to be on it already

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2958990/posts#comment
 
2012-11-13 12:37:56 PM  
Looks like Texas is leading the secession petition war with 70,000+ signers.

The Feds have gotten out of the deportation business. They won't even deport drunk illegals that run over US citizens that aren't signing secession petitions.
 
2012-11-13 12:39:09 PM  
I don't want to punish anyone for expressing their opinion. I want to allow them to leave. Is that so wrong?

;-)
 
2012-11-13 12:40:47 PM  

LazarusLong42: Don Dokken: Oh, one more thing. As a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk who is socially progressive, I wish the Tea Party would just DIAF....now.

Wait, wait, wait. You think Obama is the worst President in modern history, despite him being a fiscal moderate, socially progressive, foreign policy hawk?

When the alternative was a socially regressive, fiscally irresponsible warmonger?


Fiscal moderate and foreign policy hawk? We obviously aren't talking about the same Obama.
 
2012-11-13 12:42:43 PM  
Dear every farking idiot who can't spell,
It's spelled SECEDE.
There is no farking U.
And while I'm at it, LOOSE and LOSE are two different words.
kill yourself.
 
2012-11-13 12:52:56 PM  
I think there should be some legal inquiry asking point blank:

Does a petition to secede from the Union constitute sedition? This should be a yes or no, even if qualifiers need to be established.

If that were the case, every person signing the petition should be informed that they have committed an act of sedition, explain fully what sedition means, and then offer them amnesty if they wish to renounce their claim to secession as they weren't fully informed of the consequence.

Also, if such a petition is deemed as sedition, the petition makers should be charged with it.

Perhaps, it won't be until the petition is actually delivered to the right authority that such a judgement is made.
 
2012-11-13 12:54:38 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: Baz744: Sure. But people who report bad news or poorly aim a missile don't have any actual intent to harm the country. By contrast, secession petition signers have demonstrated an unambiguous intent to tear the country apart.


In 1947, in Haupt v. United States, the Supreme Court upheld his conviction for treason by stating that that his intent was immaterial. His actions in support of his spy son were what counted, and they were considered "Aid and Comfort".

"No matter whether young Haupt's mission was benign or traitorous, known or unknown to the defendant, these acts were aid and comfort to him."


It's a bit technical for Fark, but that's really a misreading of this case. I assure you an accused's subjective purpose--what you're calling "intent"--is not immaterial to a treason prosecution. The line you quoted comes from the Court's discussion of the "overt act" element to a treason prosecution. The Court there is directing focus away from the question of knowledge and purpose to more clearly examine the question of "aid or comfort."

First, use your common sense. This case is about a father who allowed his son to stay with him in the United States for six days, knowing that the son was a German saboteur on a mission to sabotage an American factory used to make war materials. If your reading of this quote is accurate, you're saying that the father's treason conviction would have stood whether or not he knew of his son's sabotage mission. You're saying that the United States Supreme Court said that a treason conviction can stand for conduct which in and of itself has a wholly innocent purpose. That doesn't make any sense. That's baloney.

But we need not rely solely on common sense, because in the full opinion the Court cites approvingly jury instructions to the effect that the defendant's subjective purpose was material:

It is urged that the conviction cannot be sustained because there is no sufficient proof of adherence to the enemy, the acts of aid and comfort being natural acts of aid for defendant's own son. Certainly that relationship is a fact for the jury to weigh along with others, and they were correctly instructed that if they found that defendant's intention was not to injure the United States but merely to aid his son "as an individual, as distinguished from assisting him in his purposes, if such existed, of aiding the German Reich, or of injuring the United States, the defendant must be found not guilty." The defendant can complain of no error in such a submission. It was for the jury to weigh the evidence that the acts proceeded from parental solicitude against the evidence of adherence to the German cause. It is argued that Haupt merely had 642*642 the misfortune to sire a traitor and all he did was to act as an indulgent father toward a disloyal son. In view however of the evidence of defendant's own statements that after the war he intended to return to Germany, that the United States was going to be defeated, that he would never permit his boy to join the American Army, that he would kill his son before he would send him to fight Germany, and others to the same effect, the jury apparently concluded that the son had the misfortune of being a chip off the old block - a tree inclined as the twig had been bent - metaphors which express the common sense observation that parents are as likely to influence the character of their children as are children to shape that of their parents. Such arguments are for the jury to decide.

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What's really telling about this instruction as it relates to subjective purpose is that it suggests that even though the father knew about the son's mission, but acted merely to provide him shelter from the elements rather than with any subjective purpose to harm the United States or assist its enemy, he couldn't be convicted of treason. On the contrary, to convict of treason, the jury had to find that the defendant's actual subjective purpose was to harm the United States or assist its enemy. 

Sorry, but this case absolutely stands for the proposition that what you call "intent" is material to a treason prosecution.
 
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