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2012-11-13 10:31:34 AM
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/relax guys
//if we keep being dicks to them they might very well self-deport
 
2012-11-13 10:32:01 AM
The party in power is never in favor of self determination.
 
2012-11-13 10:32:06 AM

Baz744: The prospect of an American civil war aids America's enemies, and gives them comfort by boosting their morale.


"Emboldening our enemies" != treason. If it was, simply reporting bad news, like say a rise in the unemployment rate, Petreus' affair, or the impact of a mis-aimed drone missle, could be considered treason.

The treason bar is much, much higher than that.
 
2012-11-13 10:33:17 AM
Are some of the people signing the petition to withdraw secede from the US also some of the same ones who suggested Warren Buffett could simply write a check to the treasury so that his tax rate was the same as his secretary? If so maybe they should voluntarily self deport themselves from the U.S. to be consistent.
 
2012-11-13 10:34:34 AM

miscreant: Krymson Tyde: Arizona would work well. We could finance moving everyone out who wants out since we'd ultimately be saving tons of money. Also we could admit Puerto Rico to return to 50 states.

Why not Alaska? It's not even connected to continental US.


Too close to Canada, we don't want them either
 
2012-11-13 10:34:56 AM

doyner: A perfect troll move by Obama would be to introduce a bill that explicitly makes secession attempts paramount to an act of sedition or treason. Let the Teabaggers go on record with a vote on that one...


To defy that fascist I'd be happy to sign a petition of seditious secession. Let that evil motherfarker wage a war of Eastern Agression
 
2012-11-13 10:35:10 AM

Cubicle Jockey: Baz744: The prospect of an American civil war aids America's enemies, and gives them comfort by boosting their morale.

"Emboldening our enemies" != treason. If it was, simply reporting bad news, like say a rise in the unemployment rate, Petreus' affair, or the impact of a mis-aimed drone missle, could be considered treason.

The treason bar is much, much higher than that.


Sure. But people who report bad news or poorly aim a missile don't have any actual intent to harm the country. By contrast, secession petition signers have demonstrated an unambiguous intent to tear the country apart.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:22 AM

Joe Blowme: Linux_Yes: sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?



well, if you like sticking your tongue up corporate/wealthy ass and thing the richest 2% should be allowed to do as they please, including taking over your government, then go live with the CONservatives.

if you think Democracy is a good thing and that power must not be allowed to become too concentrated and that the citizens have the right to establish the goverment they choose and to be represented in that government, then go live with the liberals.

its a profoundly easy choice for me. i'm educated and i don't listen to FOX "news" corporate owned propaganda.

"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%." - TJ
therein lies the problem...eventually you run out of other peoples money



Democracy works because the masses inherently are right 99% of the time. mob rule?? sure, if you don't have an education system that teaches the citizens how to read. you can't have a democracy without a literate population.

you take any random 1000 people and 99% of the time, they will chose the right path to a problem.

course, the Fascists believe that they are the one's with all the knowledge and wisdom. that is where they fail.

1000 minds will always defeat 20 minds.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:37 AM

Frank N Stein: Reading this thread is making me feel like I'm on reddit


Methadone helps you get off Reddit.
 
2012-11-13 10:37:56 AM

JackieRabbit: Frank N Stein: Reading this thread is making me feel like I'm on reddit

Methadone helps you get off Reddit.


Reddit. Not even once.

/I didn't make that statement in praise of Reddit
 
2012-11-13 10:38:26 AM

ursomniac: Slaxl: All you need to do is designate one state "Republicanland", promise them their independence once all proponents of a Republican Jesus state have moved there. That way it's not in anyway a violation of free speech. It's people getting what they want. Just choose a state you can all be rid of happily, preferably one that is already majority Republican, to avoid the impact on Democrats who will have to move out.

I'm really REALLY starting to think this is a solution. Give them Texas - put Romney in charge, build a wall, and broadcast a live feed to the US from cameras on the top.

As they completely portray the "Bob the Angry Flower" cartoon depicting the aftermath of Atlas Shrugged, we can both laugh at their stupidity and educate everyone else as to why a functioning society has to actually function on more than "screw you I've got mine".


The lengths that some people will go through to feel superior. Do you feel happier with yourself now?
 
2012-11-13 10:38:50 AM

Don Dokken: Oh, one more thing. As a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk who is socially progressive, I wish the Tea Party would just DIAF....now.


Wait, wait, wait. You think Obama is the worst President in modern history, despite him being a fiscal moderate, socially progressive, foreign policy hawk?

When the alternative was a socially regressive, fiscally irresponsible warmonger?
 
2012-11-13 10:39:25 AM

Joe Blowme: Linux_Yes



other people's money?? Wall street didn't mind taking other people's money when their asses were caught in a jam. your argument is full of pot holes.
 
2012-11-13 10:41:07 AM

Baz744: Millennium: Except that there is no credible prospect of an American civil war, and even if there were, "boosting their morale" is not material aid nor comfort.

1) Depends on what you mean by "credible." Civil war is definitely on the national radar screen in a way it wasn't in, say, 1996. I'm not saying it's more likely than not. But I am saying it can't be completely discounted now.


Sure it can. Do you really think these morons are going to pick up their guns and fight the Union government? For better or for worse, the days when their culture produced people capable of doing that in any significant numbers are long gone. The few who would went out to the wilderness long before this, and they wouldn't have dared sign this sort of thing (the whole "sovereign citizen" bit: playing Calvinball with contract law and maritime law as dictated by a libretto for H.M.S. Pinafore, the latter of which they claim must have been doctored by revisionists because they cannot find the lyrics to I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major-General).

The people who signed these petitions pretty much, in doing so, marked themselves as the lowest level of threat. Even their opposition is more threatening: after all, you might make some signs, march somewhere, and shout slogans for a couple of days. These people won't even do that: the couple of button-presses it took to sign an online petition is the limit of their will to do anything about it. Can that really be called treason? Can it be called aiding the enemy? I don't think so.
 
2012-11-13 10:41:11 AM

Bendal: Hawaii


How about the Bikini Atoll?

Notice how those on the political left threaten to leave the country while those on the political right always threaten to secede? I think I know why. Those on the left side of the ideological divide have a good choice of places to choose from with decent to good healthcare, solid infrastructure, and national stability like Canada or Sweden. On the right side of the ideological divide on the other hand; the places which actually practice their core ideologies are pretty much shiatholes, and unless you are filthy rich you are pretty much farked if living there.
 
2012-11-13 10:41:12 AM
I bet the author of this petition is shining up their jackboots right now.
 
2012-11-13 10:42:21 AM

sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?


50-50 for socialism or fascism would be more accurate.
 
2012-11-13 10:42:35 AM
Just have them self deport to Mexico
 
2012-11-13 10:42:39 AM

Mrbogey: Linux_Yes



how is allowing the richest 2% to steal even more wealth from the middle/working classes spreading power around? money/wealth is power.

the CONservatives think its perfectly fine to allow the wealthy to run this nation and its government and make the rules up as they go.

which, of course, explains why the upper 2% are getting richer while everyone else is getting poorer.
 
2012-11-13 10:42:54 AM
Can someone look up a legal rationale for charging these guys with something and make a real petition to look into formal criminal charges?
 
2012-11-13 10:44:11 AM

Cubicle Jockey: sammyk: I did not know insurrection was protected speech under the 1st amendment.


Depends on how specific you are.
Brandenburg v. Ohio says it is protected unless it involves imminent unlawful action.

"The government needs to be overthrown!" = protected
"Im off to overthrow the government today!" not-protected


Ok, fair enough. Starting a petition to get your state to succeed from the union is taking action to actually do it and not just saying it should happen. While it falls short of organizing an armed rebellion it is still a form of organizing and/or joining a rebellion.

Can we at least make them wear a scarlet "T" for traitor? Seriously, these asshats love to wrap themselves in the flag and go on and on about what patriots they are until the blah man is rightfully elected under the constitution they profess to honor, serve and wish to protect.
 
2012-11-13 10:44:22 AM

This text is now purple: Biness: the south wasn't trying to take over the country

There are some villages in southern Pennsylvania that might dicker with that assessment.


Don't forget Kentucky and Maryland, too. Neither state seceded but both were invaded by Confederate armies.
 
2012-11-13 10:45:50 AM

boogie_down: sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?

50-50 for socialism or fascism would be more accurate.



Democratic Socialism is the term.
 
2012-11-13 10:46:45 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: darwin


Thanks. But. You keep saying British. We're not British. Toronto is a like a cleaner version of Buffalo NY. Hell the border is like a big mish mash of our two countries now.
 
2012-11-13 10:47:05 AM

Slaxl: sammyk: Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.

I did not know insurrection was protected speech under the 1st amendment.

I did not know signing an online petition was an armed and violent uprising.


It's not. It's more aptly called "sedition."
 
2012-11-13 10:47:14 AM

Bendal: This text is now purple: Biness: the south wasn't trying to take over the country

There are some villages in southern Pennsylvania that might dicker with that assessment.

Don't forget Kentucky and Maryland, too. Neither state seceded but both were invaded by Confederate armies.


Kentucky, yes, but be careful with using Maryland as an example of pretty much anything about the Civil War: the whole situation with that state was a gigantic clusterfark possibly rivaling that of West Virginia.
 
2012-11-13 10:47:14 AM

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.


The Alien and Sedition Acts specifically describe speech that can be prosecutable. The First Amendment is not a toupee that covers the bald head of treason.
 
2012-11-13 10:49:51 AM

Linux_Yes: Mrbogey: Linux_Yes


how is allowing the richest 2% to steal even more wealth from the middle/working classes spreading power around? money/wealth is power.

the CONservatives think its perfectly fine to allow the wealthy to run this nation and its government and make the rules up as they go.

which, of course, explains why the upper 2% are getting richer while everyone else is getting poorer.


how do you explain how the rich are getting richer under your guy? The richest and most powerful thing in America is the govt also.

Also, capitalism isn't theft.
 
2012-11-13 10:50:27 AM

Prevailing Wind: Just have them self deport to Mexico


Combine it with immigration reform. For every one deported we should allow a Mexican who actually wants to be part of the U.S. stay. They usually add more to the local economies than the "job creators" anyway.
 
2012-11-13 10:50:49 AM
 
2012-11-13 10:51:03 AM
I think it's safe to say that none of these petitions will be enacted upon. Nobody's getting deported, and no state's going to secede, as a result of them. The deportation petitions are a logical ("Fine, you don't like it here? Then you go, but leave the states.), albeit extreme reaction to the secession petitions. Which are also extreme. I'm looking forward to the official response to the secession petitions, and I really want to see an official response to the deportation ones as well. No, seriously, I'm curious.
 
2012-11-13 10:51:36 AM
follow up petition to deport the ones who petitioned for the ones petitioning to secede, to confuse the hell out of everyone as it spirals off into an infinite number of counter petitions
 
2012-11-13 10:52:10 AM

99.998er: Dear Red States:

We're ticked off at your Neanderthal attitudes and politics and we've decided we're leaving.

We in New York intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Colorado, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.

We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation and especially to the people of the new country of The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A).

To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.

We get stem cell research and the best beaches.

We get Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren. You get Bobby Jindal and Todd Akin.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.

We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.

We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs.

You get Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue. You get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

With the Blue States in hand we will have firm control of 80% of the country's fresh water, more than 90% of the pineapple and lettuce, 92% of the nation's fresh fruit, 95% of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90% of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the US low sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States you will have to cope with 88% of all obese Americans and their projected health care costs, 92% of all US mosquitoes, nearly 100% of the tornadoes, 90% of the hurricanes, 99% of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100% of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

38% of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62% believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44% say that evolution is only a theory, 53% that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61% of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

We're taking the good weed too. You can have that crap they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,

Citizens of the Enlightened States of America


Oh how I wish I had a computer so I could copy and paste this to my democrat friends
 
2012-11-13 10:52:32 AM

Baz744: Sure. But people who report bad news or poorly aim a missile don't have any actual intent to harm the country. By contrast, secession petition signers have demonstrated an unambiguous intent to tear the country apart.



In 1947, in Haupt v. United States, the Supreme Court upheld his conviction for treason by stating that that his intent was immaterial. His actions in support of his spy son were what counted, and they were considered "Aid and Comfort".

"No matter whether young Haupt's mission was benign or traitorous, known or unknown to the defendant, these acts were aid and comfort to him."
 
2012-11-13 10:53:42 AM

Frank N Stein: Mouser: Is it just me, or is this "We the People" website turning into 4chan/pol/?


JIDF pls go.
 
2012-11-13 10:53:58 AM
Petition to deport signed.

I hear Somalia is nice this time of year. Has that fervently religious minimalist government thing going on as well. They should like it.
 
2012-11-13 10:53:58 AM
Closer and closer every day...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-13 10:54:13 AM

indarwinsshadow: Jon iz teh kewl: darwin

Thanks. But. You keep saying British. We're not British. Toronto is a like a cleaner version of Buffalo NY. Hell the border is like a big mish mash of our two countries now.


really a generic city is like another generic city. wow what with the big buildings, and grocery stores, etc..
 
2012-11-13 10:56:23 AM

BoxOfBees: The problem isn't that the US is that bad. It just is too big to administer the governance of the states very well. Secession is a pretty good solution - smaller, more manageable states with trade agreements and defense pacts is perfectly viable. It isn't a solution that will come to fruition.

When I say it is too big, it really isn't, but it is when your government is a constitutional republic that everyone pretends is a democracy. Having a tyrant/dictator/king/emperor rule over all the states through a system of appointing local and state officials is a much more viable option. Capitalism as we know it would have to die. Oh well. The king is dead; long live the king.

Few states could survive well on their own. Texas would be just fine, and the Gulf states could band together or even join with Texas. I don't think any of the landlocked states could do it unless they joined with a state that has a legitimate port. States are pretty intertwined when it comes to power grids, transportation, food supply, etc. Again, Texas comes out pretty much unscathed. But they don't have enough to gain by leaving, so they won't.


The original intent of putting the states in charge of their fortunes or failures. The federal govt was never supposed to be this big. Each state was intended to be almost it's own "country" but they stand united in defence of all the states.
 
2012-11-13 10:56:34 AM

h0lmesdaddy: Can someone look up a legal rationale for charging these guys with something and make a real petition to look into formal criminal charges?


So, this is what it's come to? There are actually a substantial number of people who are calling for others to be jailed simply because they are making political statements. Right here in the United States of America. No one else sees a problem with this? I'm really the only one?

I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. To protect the freedom of speech, you have to protect even the most abhorrent speech. I thought that was universally known in this country. (Maybe just not on Fark...who knows)

And we protect scumbags like the Westboro Baptist Church, but we want to throw these guys under the bus? Please tell me most of you are just flexing keyboard muscles, and don't really believe, in your heart, that we should lock people up (or put them in work camps, or re-education camps, as has been suggested) because they have crazy political views.

Because if you really believe that, then you are going out of your way to prove these nutjobs right. A free country does NOT have re-education camps for dissenters, or imprison people for their political views. That is something else entirely.
 
2012-11-13 10:57:15 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: indarwinsshadow: Jon iz teh kewl: darwin

Thanks. But. You keep saying British. We're not British. Toronto is a like a cleaner version of Buffalo NY. Hell the border is like a big mish mash of our two countries now.

really a generic city is like another generic city. wow what with the big buildings, and grocery stores, etc..


It's more like Chicago, except with 50 murders a year instead of 500.You seriously cannot get murdered in Canada.
 
2012-11-13 11:00:49 AM
The important thing is we give the attention whores on both sides lots of attention and seriously debate the legalities, benefits, and possibilities of secession. I never thought I would miss Nate Silver and poll threads but here we are.

/no one is farking seceding you farking morons
//it would also be a bad thing if it happened you farking morons, stop pretending you want it to happen or that it would be a good thing for the country
 
2012-11-13 11:01:17 AM

Rent Party: If we are trolling petitions, let's make them at least believable.

Rename portions of federal highways between Atlanta and Savannah the "William Tecumseh Sherman Memorial Highway"/a>


I am in tears laughing after reading that. I am doing my best not to disturb my co-workers. Masterful troll.
 
2012-11-13 11:01:44 AM

Biness: indarwinsshadow: What you need is a petition to give up your United States and become provinces of Canada. You'd have universal health care, a dollar that's worth something, access to all the oil you'd need, room to expand, you'd be able to travel anywhere in the world without being shot at, and access to Tim Hortons and all the hockey games you ever wanted to attend. The only draw back is you have to tolerate Quebec.

FALSE. THERE IS NO HOCKEY.


Correction, no overpaid rich boy hockey. Still lots of university and minor league games
 
2012-11-13 11:02:40 AM
Where does free speech become hate speech? Is saying you hate the US and want to leave either?

/I have no idea personally
//just spitballing
 
2012-11-13 11:02:48 AM

sorhed: Jon iz teh kewl: indarwinsshadow: Jon iz teh kewl: darwin

Thanks. But. You keep saying British. We're not British. Toronto is a like a cleaner version of Buffalo NY. Hell the border is like a big mish mash of our two countries now.

really a generic city is like another generic city. wow what with the big buildings, and grocery stores, etc..

It's more like Chicago, except with 50 murders a year instead of 500.You seriously cannot get murdered in Canada.


that's cause Canada is so friggin cold. Has basically nothing to do with politics
 
2012-11-13 11:03:57 AM
I don't know who is trolling who anymore...
 
2012-11-13 11:04:04 AM

Hunter_S_Thompson: h0lmesdaddy: Can someone look up a legal rationale for charging these guys with something and make a real petition to look into formal criminal charges?

So, this is what it's come to? There are actually a substantial number of people who are calling for others to be jailed simply because they are making political statements. Right here in the United States of America. No one else sees a problem with this? I'm really the only one?

I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it. To protect the freedom of speech, you have to protect even the most abhorrent speech. I thought that was universally known in this country. (Maybe just not on Fark...who knows)

And we protect scumbags like the Westboro Baptist Church, but we want to throw these guys under the bus? Please tell me most of you are just flexing keyboard muscles, and don't really believe, in your heart, that we should lock people up (or put them in work camps, or re-education camps, as has been suggested) because they have crazy political views.

Because if you really believe that, then you are going out of your way to prove these nutjobs right. A free country does NOT have re-education camps for dissenters, or imprison people for their political views. That is something else entirely.


Lighten up Francis. It is a joke, a "troll", and a way to show the "keyboard seccessionists" how silly they look. Well that or scare them depending how gullible they are.
 
2012-11-13 11:04:26 AM

untaken_name: Hey, didn't someone already write a book about this happening?

[www.overthinkingit.com image 259x387]


I don't remember exactly this happening in Idiocracy...
 
2012-11-13 11:07:48 AM

Eraic: Guys.. Texas isn't the answer for deportation. I mean.. there is a much better answer.. the biggest state in the Union awaits all potential secessionists... it isn't even geographically connected to the rest of the U.S.... it's perfect... and for your new president.. you can have the former Governor... I present you... Alaska....!


You are now tagged as "doesn't know how to use elipses"
 
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