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2012-11-13 10:16:35 AM  
Florida ... send them to Florida.
 
2012-11-13 10:16:39 AM  

Biological Ali: Biness: And whilst we're near the subject, the conflict of 1861-1865 was not a civil war. A civil war, by definition, is two or more factions fighting for control of one government or one nation. The American "civil war" was not that. It was a war for independence. The south did not seek to control the country, just their territory.

Not sure if serious...


entirely serious. All judgments aside, the american civil war was not a civil war. call it insurrection, call it independence, the south wasn't trying to take over the country, they were trying to leave it.
 
2012-11-13 10:16:39 AM  

untaken_name: Hey, while we're at it, can we also deport all the people who said they were going to leave the country if Bush Junior got re-elected, then didn't?


Those people weren't advocating secession, so no.
 
2012-11-13 10:16:49 AM  
amazing.

If liberals deport those who feel this current admin is doing a shiat job... who will be left to pay into the welfare system for the liberals to get their monthly checks?
 
2012-11-13 10:16:57 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?

2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.


Agreed. I may think they're being hyperventilating jacka$$es, but that doesn't negate their rights.
 
2012-11-13 10:17:03 AM  
Still waiting for Donal Trump to be charged with sedition and federal asshattery.
 
2012-11-13 10:17:19 AM  
If you really want to get the conspiracy theorists to go full derp, create a petition to send all the people who signed a secession petition to be sent to a FEMA Camp. That would be too funny.
 
2012-11-13 10:18:00 AM  

Graffito: untaken_name: Hey, while we're at it, can we also deport all the people who said they were going to leave the country if Bush Junior got re-elected, then didn't?

Those people weren't advocating secession, so no.


But according to other people, it would be helping them since "they weren't happy here". If one side isn't allowed to mouth off like idiots in the face of defeat, neither should the other side be.
 
2012-11-13 10:18:22 AM  

Biness: the south wasn't trying to take over the country


There are some villages in southern Pennsylvania that might dicker with that assessment.
 
2012-11-13 10:18:30 AM  

tuxq: socratesthekidd: You know... it's just a strange damned thing and speaks to a much bigger issue.

I really didn't like bush, I even hung a flag upside down out of my dorm, because I was an overzealous college idiot with little understanding of things.

But even then, my thing was "we are in trouble, and need help." not "eff this i'm out"

as bad as i have ever thought it was, i never wanted out.

In the end, it's the money that politicians care about, the party affiliation is the road they travel to get there.

I see them like preachers on TV... they can pick baptist, methodist, whatever... the truth is, they just want the $$$. They don't agree with simple peons such as ourselves -- they could care less about us. Their political party is how they "connect" with us. But, in my experiences, it has been nothing but an easier way for them to use our predictable weaknesses against us. Republicans want less government, so the lying "republican" will promise less government. Will they provide? Hell no. Same goes for democrats, "we need national healthcare," they say. I'm still paying for my health insurance. In fact, now I'm required to ... WTF?!? I just can't believe that people still fall for these people that are none other than snakeoil salesmen with a twist -- that twist being that they not only try to sell you bs, but they try to connect to you on an extremely fake emotional level.

/Libertarians FTW.


I hear what you're saying, but Libertarians are a problematic bunch as well.

I admit, I only know RonPaul and people I've debated with, but in my opinion, a lot of it goes way too far. We need public schools, we need an epa, we need osha.

And from what I have seen, libertarians want to get rid of that kind of stuff. If I'm wrong, please feel free to correct me.
 
2012-11-13 10:18:37 AM  

Mouser: Is it just me, or is this "We the People" website turning into 4chan/pol/?


i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-13 10:18:56 AM  

Biness: Baz744: Millennium: phrawgh: The very definition of traitor.

They have not made war upon the US, nor aided its enemies. Thus, what they've done doesn't fit the Constitutional definition of a traitor. It's very clear about that.

The prospect of an American civil war aids America's enemies, and gives them comfort by boosting their morale.

Well thats a reach if i've ever seen one.

And whilst we're near the subject, the conflict of 1861-1865 was not a civil war. A civil war, by definition, is two or more factions fighting for control of one government or one nation. The American "civil war" was not that. It was a war for independence. The south did not seek to control the country, just their territory.


1) It doesn't matter, because I don't want to punish America's conservative enemies for treason. I just want to help them find a nationality arrangement better suited to their happiness.

2) Civil war: "a war between citizens of the same country."

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3) Not only is your definition of "civil war" wrong, but so is your factual predicate. The American south is American territory by convention, constitution, and sovereignty. The Confederacy was fighting for control of our country. Not theirs. So even under your pedantically restricted definition of civil war, you're wrong.
 
2012-11-13 10:19:30 AM  

miscreant: Krymson Tyde: Arizona would work well. We could finance moving everyone out who wants out since we'd ultimately be saving tons of money. Also we could admit Puerto Rico to return to 50 states.

Why not Alaska? It's not even connected to continental US.


I thought about that, and have even suggested it in the past. I decided Alaska is just too beautiful to give up, plus it wouldn't be fair to our Canadian neighbors.
 
2012-11-13 10:19:37 AM  
Can't we just put them in FEMA work camps or have them toil in underground sugar caves? You know, something productive.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:36 AM  

Biness: Biological Ali: Biness: And whilst we're near the subject, the conflict of 1861-1865 was not a civil war. A civil war, by definition, is two or more factions fighting for control of one government or one nation. The American "civil war" was not that. It was a war for independence. The south did not seek to control the country, just their territory.

Not sure if serious...

entirely serious. All judgments aside, the american civil war was not a civil war. call it insurrection, call it independence, the south wasn't trying to take over the country, they were trying to leave it.


A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same nation state or republic,[1] or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly united nation state.[2] The aim of one side may be to take control of the country or a region, to achieve independence for a region, or to change government policies.[1] The term is a calque of the Latin bellum civile which was used to refer to the various civil wars of the Roman Republic in the 1st century BC.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:38 AM  
lolsignedforthelols

Anyone who signed the other petitions has no faith in or loyalty to the United States of America. We've weathered revolution, war, civil war, world war, pearl harbor, the great depression, the 60s, Nixon, Carter and 9/11. Any American thinking that we can't weather a little unliked policy for a term or two is a fat moron who needs to be deported to France and forced to grow a mustache and eat stinky cheeses with bad wine. So you didn't vote for the guy. Man up and accept that you're fair-weather American who only sticks with the USA when you like the President and his policies and everything goes your way, you whining, wide-eyed p*ssy.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:45 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so the left doesn't want to deport people who are in the country illegally, but does want to deport US citizens who exercise their constitutional rights.

that is all you need to know about the left.


You still sound so angry? You gonna be okay, Sparky? I worry about you.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:50 AM  
I was a Romney supporter and I think Obama is one of the worst presidents in modern history, but I would never sign one of these stupid petitions. Get a grip people, we lost and Obama rightfully won a second term. This country will survive and go on.
 
2012-11-13 10:20:53 AM  
A. First Amendment.

B. While I don't like to use points without evidence, my guess is that petition signers are trapped in the GOP information bubble, and thus, are not making rational decisions. If you want to punish someone, I'd say start with people who lie for their own personal profit.

In short: Your petition sucks, knows it will go nowhere because it is ridiculous on it's premise, and does nothing to solve the problem of misinformation that leads to things like this in the first place, and in fact, contributes to the problem by being something they can point to as against them.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-13 10:21:45 AM  

Krymson Tyde: I thought about that, and have even suggested it in the past. I decided Alaska is just too beautiful to give up, plus it wouldn't be fair to our Canadian neighbors.


Alaska is already a red state with a relatively prominent secession movement.
 
2012-11-13 10:22:21 AM  
Add the people that sign this petition in with them. The secessionists and the reactionary fascists can all go together.
 
2012-11-13 10:22:26 AM  
well if a state leaves we can immediately add Pureto Rico cause it would be cheaper than printing new American flags
 
2012-11-13 10:22:29 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 1) Assuming that the signees were born and raised in the U.S., where are they to be deported?


Antarctica is nice this time of year. Summer's just starting.
 
2012-11-13 10:23:16 AM  

Linux_Yes: ...that power must not be allowed to become too concentrated and that the citizens have the right to establish the goverment they choose and to be represented in that government, then go live with the liberals.


power is becoming more concentrated under the liberals. Isn't this call for secession a demand for better more localized representation?
 
2012-11-13 10:23:34 AM  
Oh, one more thing. As a fiscal conservative, foreign policy hawk who is socially progressive, I wish the Tea Party would just DIAF....now.
 
2012-11-13 10:23:45 AM  

vegasj: who will be left to pay


other people would fill the void if any republican shop owners or workers decided to throw a temper tantrum, no worries.
 
2012-11-13 10:24:33 AM  
These petitions, the secession ones as well as DEPORT. farkING. EVERYONE petition will be about as successful as giving joe the bird
 
2012-11-13 10:24:40 AM  
Guys.. Texas isn't the answer for deportation. I mean.. there is a much better answer.. the biggest state in the Union awaits all potential secessionists... it isn't even geographically connected to the rest of the U.S.... it's perfect... and for your new president.. you can have the former Governor... I present you... Alaska....!
 
2012-11-13 10:24:44 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: 2) Punishing them for signing a petition would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.


You're absolutely right. But I also ask you what the Derpsters would do about a bunch of ultra-liberal commie atheist anarchists who signed a petition to dissolve religion in America and officially make us subservient to the UN. They would be talking about stripping citizenship, and they would mean it.
 
2012-11-13 10:24:59 AM  

sammyk: I did not know insurrection was protected speech under the 1st amendment.



Depends on how specific you are.
Brandenburg v. Ohio says it is protected unless it involves imminent unlawful action.

"The government needs to be overthrown!" = protected
"Im off to overthrow the government today!" not-protected
 
2012-11-13 10:25:01 AM  

Linux_Yes: sodomizer: It's inevitable. The country is divided 50-50 for liberalism or conservatism.

I wonder on which side of that line most of us would like to live?



well, if you like sticking your tongue up corporate/wealthy ass and thing the richest 2% should be allowed to do as they please, including taking over your government, then go live with the CONservatives.

if you think Democracy is a good thing and that power must not be allowed to become too concentrated and that the citizens have the right to establish the goverment they choose and to be represented in that government, then go live with the liberals.

its a profoundly easy choice for me. i'm educated and i don't listen to FOX "news" corporate owned propaganda.


What about the conservatives like me who think too much power is being consolidated at the federal vice state level?

And the bit about establishing the government they choose and be represented in that government.. isn't that what they're trying to do through secession?

Not that it matters anyway, a state does not have the right to seceed from the union nor is the President going to entertain the idea of releasing them from the nation. This whole topic has been given way more attention than it deserves from both sides of the aisle. At best this can be viewed as a OWS-esque bit of statement of discontent. The idea that any maps are going to be updated as a result of this is pretty ridiculous.
 
2012-11-13 10:25:08 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: indarwinsshadow: What you need is a petition to give up your United States and become provinces of Canada. You'd have universal health care, a dollar that's worth something, access to all the oil you'd need, room to expand, you'd be able to travel anywhere in the world without being shot at, and access to Tim Hortons and all the hockey games you ever wanted to attend. The only draw back is you have to tolerate Quebec.

you're Britain. Didn't we fight a war to separate from you guys??


We're Britain? We are? I wasn't aware we're Britain. I know were a commonwealth country like Australia and NZ, but we're not Britain. Hey, we even have our own money and guess what? It's worth more than yours *GASP*. And you didn't fight a war to separate from us. The United Empire Loyalists packed up their sh*t and headed north to British held NA. Actually, my ancestors owned a big chunk of Pittsburgh but somehow I don't think I'm about to see a residual check anytime soon. Gimme my money you dead beats.
Think of it this way, you dump the United States moniker, become provinces and we scare the living sh*t out of the rest of the world by becoming the largest double double country on the planet. Magine how pissed off Putin will be when he wakes up and reads the news.
 
2012-11-13 10:25:13 AM  

museamused: Still waiting for Donal Trump to be charged with sedition and federal asshattery.



you can't be charged with acts against your country unless you aren't rich.
 
2012-11-13 10:25:34 AM  
How about a petition to make them take and pass high school level Social studies and American history classes?
 
2012-11-13 10:25:44 AM  
Hey, didn't someone already write a book about this happening?

www.overthinkingit.com
 
2012-11-13 10:25:47 AM  

the_geek: They may enjoy being part of the Free State Project.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_State_Project


Ah. "Free States" have such a proud history!

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-13 10:25:52 AM  
Hey now! I signed the petition so we could get rid of them, not because I want to be part of them!
 
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2012-11-13 10:25:53 AM  
That's stupid. Both sides in this need to grow up and get over themselves, this is a collosal waste of time and resources.

/Says the guy posting on Fark in a politics thread. :P
//Doesn't matter who started it, it needs to be finished.
///Don't make the First Lady spank/ground/make you sit in the naughty chair for this.
 
2012-11-13 10:26:06 AM  
Help 'em leave, if they wanna leave so much. The fewer mouth-breathing shiatfarking right-wingers we have in this country, the better.
 
2012-11-13 10:26:19 AM  

Millennium: Except that there is no credible prospect of an American civil war, and even if there were, "boosting their morale" is not material aid nor comfort.


1) Depends on what you mean by "credible." Civil war is definitely on the national radar screen in a way it wasn't in, say, 1996. I'm not saying it's more likely than not. But I am saying it can't be completely discounted now.

2) The constitutional definition of "treason" does not contain the word "material." Any judicial attempt to append such a requirement to the definition violates that provision's declaration that it is the only definition of treason.

3) I think it is wrongheaded to punish America's conservative enemies anyway. I just want to help them find a nationality arrangement better suited to their happiness. Per Mr. Justice Scalia, therefore, my approach has no punitive intent, and therefore doesn't require a conviction for treason to be justified.
 
2012-11-13 10:26:22 AM  
Punishment of people that signed a petition happened in Wisconsin. The Right even put up a web site so that you could look up the names of people that signed to recall their Scott Walker. Leave it to the teabaggers to actually violate people's rights. Now they want protection?
 
2012-11-13 10:26:55 AM  

GAT_00: I didn't sign one of these, the whole petition thing is ridiculous, but I'm pretty sure a decent number of the signers did so as a joke.


I don't know. Throb Boneminator seems legit.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:10 AM  

Frank N Stein: Krymson Tyde: I thought about that, and have even suggested it in the past. I decided Alaska is just too beautiful to give up, plus it wouldn't be fair to our Canadian neighbors.

Alaska is already a red state with a relatively prominent secession movement.


I know. I just don't want to give it up.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:21 AM  

untaken_name: Hey, didn't someone already write a book about this happening?


yeah right before she went on the dole and became a 47%er
 
2012-11-13 10:27:42 AM  
You people who are objecting to this because it's not legally possible are adorable.
 
2012-11-13 10:27:55 AM  

vegasj: amazing.

If liberals deport those who feel this current admin is doing a shiat job... who will be left to pay into the welfare system for the liberals to get their monthly checks?


THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL WITH A JOB
 
2012-11-13 10:28:16 AM  

indarwinsshadow: Jon iz teh kewl: indarwinsshadow: What you need is a petition to give up your United States and become provinces of Canada. You'd have universal health care, a dollar that's worth something, access to all the oil you'd need, room to expand, you'd be able to travel anywhere in the world without being shot at, and access to Tim Hortons and all the hockey games you ever wanted to attend. The only draw back is you have to tolerate Quebec.

you're Britain. Didn't we fight a war to separate from you guys??

We're Britain? We are? I wasn't aware we're Britain. I know were a commonwealth country like Australia and NZ, but we're not Britain. Hey, we even have our own money and guess what? It's worth more than yours *GASP*. And you didn't fight a war to separate from us. The United Empire Loyalists packed up their sh*t and headed north to British held NA. Actually, my ancestors owned a big chunk of Pittsburgh but somehow I don't think I'm about to see a residual check anytime soon. Gimme my money you dead beats.
Think of it this way, you dump the United States moniker, become provinces and we scare the living sh*t out of the rest of the world by becoming the largest double double country on the planet. Magine how pissed off Putin will be when he wakes up and reads the news.


dude i like your style. legalized marijuana. marmite at publix. let it happen! BRITISH STYLE! *drinks a cup of earl gray*
 
2012-11-13 10:28:52 AM  

Headso: untaken_name: Hey, didn't someone already write a book about this happening?

yeah right before she went on the dole and became a 47%er


1%er, 47%er, 2%er, there's too many damned percenters anymore. All I need to know is my whiskey is still 40% alcohol by volume.
 
2012-11-13 10:29:27 AM  

Pichu0102: If you want to punish someone, I'd say start with people who lie for their own personal profit.


Now see, that's the whole point your getting wrong. Deportation isn't "punishment" in this case, and therefore cannot violate the First Amendment. Deporting secession petition signers is doing them the favor of helping them find a nationality arrangement better suited to their happiness.
 
2012-11-13 10:31:28 AM  

JerseyTim: You people who are objecting to this because it's not legally possible are adorable.


Heh. I'm glad someone else gets it.
 
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