AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.
foxyshadis: inner ted: does this mean we are foregoing hydrogen? cause that seems to have a whole ass load of potential/probably can't have infrastructure for both electric & hydrogen along with petrol//we need a new 'standard'Despite the volatility of gasoline, on the whole it's actually remarkably stable at normal temps and Hollywood explosions are extremely rare even in the worst built cars of the 60's. Hydrogen, on the other hand, is one of the most reactive materials in existence. Yes, in liquid form it holds a lot of energy in a compact volume and is incredibly easy to manufacture, but the safety drop tends to outweigh the benefits in a world where accidents are common. They'll always be a niche.That's not to say Li batteries can't explode, but that danger level is roughly similar to gasoline's.my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: So since we covered that gas has zero advantages over Lithium Ion batteries (from an environmental standpoint, obviously the economic side hasn't matured yet, but it is catching up) lets see...You seem to be arguing with someone who feels we should abandon modern life and go back to farming our own food; it's the only premise any of his arguments make sense for.
jshine: Hollie Maea: Also, goddamn there is some ignorance in this thread. Why are people so terrified of progress?It's nice that these are cheap to refuel, but it seems like a step backward to go from a vehicle that can be refueled in 5 minutes to one that takes hours to "fuel". Electric cars are great in principle, but battery technology sucks, quite frankly, and its at the core of the design. Fuel cells or some kind of internal generator (similar to the Chevy Volt) would seem like a better idea.
Hollie Maea: Why are people so terrified of progress?
chevydeuce: /Tesla is a good looking car, but 60K for a glorified golf cart?
Rapmaster2000: I heard that these cars will make you gay.
Mrbogey: Ingenuity would be making one of these for the price of a standard car. If costs aren't a factor, you can build damn near anything.
Rapmaster2000: People talk about these cars like they're so great, but what if you have to get to an island. Then what do you do? Exactly. That's why I only commute by hovercraft.
MrSteve007: This text is now purple: Those stations supplement from solar, but are primarily driven by grid energy.They are indeed connected to the grid, but I wouldn't call generating an excess of power a "supplement."BusinessWeek: "Musk also serves as the chairman of SolarCity, a residential and commercial solar-panel installer that has built car port technology for the Tesla stations. The stations will generate more power than the cars need, which means Tesla will sell power back to the grid" Link This is their post 2-year plan for 30 minute charging stations, which supplement the thousands of standard, public charging stations already in place. (I currently have 13 public charging spots on the 25 mile drive between work and home).
Kraftwerk Orange: If you don't see the visual similarities, you're blind.
knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.
Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: My opinion has nothing to do with the basics law of thermodynamics getting in the way of your tree-hugging circle jerk.
CeroX: But i bet your REAL issue, is that the car doesn't go RRRRRAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRR when you rev the engine at a stop light next to the 18 year old with the fart can on his civic...
Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Yes, and I'm sure the recycling furnaces are heated with warm fuzzy feelings about baby seals and polar bears.
DSanchez: AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.Actually, the civic won in 2006.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year
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