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2012-11-13 08:04:41 AM  

ThunderPelvis: The price will go down after infrastructure and production start ramping up. You think Joe Sixpack was driving the first production models of gasoline-powered cars?


Maybe you should ask Henry Ford?
 
2012-11-13 08:05:47 AM  

ryarger: I wonder where TM would be if they named themselves "Smith Motors" rather than trade on the name of the most popular engineer in history.

The five letters "Tesla" are like an orgasmatron for nerds who understand engineering better than they do science.

/But his music rocked, I'll give him that


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2012-11-13 08:10:54 AM  

Icetech3: P.S. you should learn the truth behind recycling.. just recycling paper is VERY bad for the environment... the chemicals used.. AND the power used to recycle even paper is unreal..


Can we use your property as a landfill?
 
2012-11-13 08:14:10 AM  

abhorrent1: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

$49K according to their website. And I doubt most people drive 200 or more miles a day. I probably do 60 with work and misc errands. I don't think they had cross-country road trips in mind when they came up with the idea. It's a shame they can't make them affordable enough that regular people could get one though.


FTFA:

2013 Tesla Model S (85); SP85

POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
BATTERY TYPE 85 kW-hr lithium-ion

CONSUMER INFO
BASE PRICE $78,950; $107,350*
PRICE AS TESTED $84,050; $107,350*
CHARGE TIME, 240 4 hrs (std range)/ 6 hrs (extended) V/80 AMPS 265 mi (extended charge)
RANGE est 240 mi (std chg)
RECOMMENDED POWER SOURCE 240-volt electricity



From the Edmunds buyer guide:

Powertrains and Performance

Tesla will sell the Model S with three different lithium-ion battery pack choices. The base Model S features a standard 40 kWh battery pack good for a range of 160 miles. (For reference, the Leaf has a 24 kWh battery pack.) It can be upgraded with a 60 kWh pack that Tesla claims will be good for up to 230 miles of range, or an 85 kWh pack that the EPA has rated at 265 miles of range. Tesla won't get EPA ratings for the two smaller packs until the models that use them are launched. The Performance, Signature and Signature Performance models come standard with the 85 kWh pack.

Driving Impressions

Tesla has been stingy with seat time in the Model S, limiting reviewers to just 10 minutes on a tightly proscribed course in the just-released production versions of the Signature and Signature Performance.



So it's a bit more than $49K or $60K for the model that has a claimed (not tested) range of > 200mi
 
2012-11-13 08:19:02 AM  
Didn't Rmoney say that Tesla was a waste of money, ala Solyndra?

And definitely want!
 
2012-11-13 08:22:03 AM  

Greymalkin: Bladel: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

I'm interested. The range seems closer to 275, which should cover most days. $60k is about the same as a BMW, except for the "never buy gas again" bit.

Or you could still just buy a BMW (yes it does still use a little bit of fuel) but doesn't have that distance limitation if you want to have a good day's country highway driving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i8

IMO it looks better too. 

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...and is twice the price, and isn't available.
 
2012-11-13 08:26:09 AM  

Honest Bender: But if I had the means I'd definitely snap one of these up. Slap some solar panels on the roof of the garage and a small battery array... For most people, it would save them a couple/few hundred dollars a month. Not really enough to recoop your costs on everything, but still pretty nice. Maybe even enough to take a good sized bite out of the monthly car payment...


The amount of roof area for solar panels is tiny, you might have a single square meter of area on top of your car. At 100% efficiency that's about 50 watt hours in perfect sunlight. The Tesla S battery is 85,000 watts. The models of Prius that have a solar panel on top use it to run a fan to keep it cool when you park in the sun, its more efficient to just park in the shade.
 
2012-11-13 08:28:46 AM  
I'll have two, please.
 
2012-11-13 08:29:49 AM  
So it impressed a few organizations that only exist to fellate the auto industry. I'll wait to see what Consumer Reports says about it.
 
2012-11-13 08:30:43 AM  
Other Motor Trend "Cars of the year?" The Chevrolet Corvair. The Ford Maverick. Mighty fine company you are keeping there, Tesla.

chrysler k cars. amc/reliant alliance.
 
2012-11-13 08:32:04 AM  

Icetech3: Lets not talk about how bad electric cars are for the environment... A: Create a shiatton of batterys.. take a look at the chemicals used... B: Batteries have a VERY short lifespan, especially compared to a gas motor.. C: Hey! Lets dispose of those shiatty toxic batteries by the thousands now... The whole electric car idea is bullshiat being pushed on people. Just horrible...


This is, of course, entirely bullshiat. The typical lifespan for these batteries is about 10 years and they are typically recycled because the rare earth materials in them are valuable. Those that aren't are often repurposed as purely energy storage to, as an example, create arrays of battery backups for equipment.

And your recycling rant is also mostly bullshiat as well in that it relies upon strictly focusing on the problems with recycling - which are almost entirely caused by the behaviors of the recyclers and consumers - and then blaming those failings on the process itself.

1. It is ALWAYS better to reduce consumption than increase recycling. This is obvious and nobody disputes it
2. SOME materials SOME of the time have a higher environmental cost through recycling either through energy expenditure or pollutants released than simply creating new virgin materials, however, this usually happens where the recycling is being done for economic rather than environmental reasons
3. The fact that consumers can't figure out that they shouldn't throw farking pizza boxes in the paper bin doesn't mean recycling is bad, it just means consumers are stupid and lazy and won't do it right
 
2012-11-13 08:32:14 AM  

Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?


http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/11/bmw-i-drive-electric-vehicles/
 
2012-11-13 08:33:58 AM  
Why does everyone feel they need a full-lane four seat vehicle for their solo daily commute?
 
2012-11-13 08:35:56 AM  
I hope people realize where mercantilism (aka our current economy, sadly) fits in with ingenuity: it prevents it.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/11/10/154211/tesla-motors-sued-by-c a r-dealers

People don't want Tesla to exist, because it could *GASP* compete with the oil industry and the automotive industry.

/fark the dealerships
 
2012-11-13 08:38:42 AM  

ph0rk: Why does everyone feel they need a full-lane four seat vehicle for their solo daily commute?


I have a wife, kids, and a dog. So we actually have a need for a full size vehicle. I also have a 250cc maxi-scooter that I drive when weather permits. I would love to get an electric vehicle though. I'm tired of gas engines... well... more to the point I'm tired of gas stations.
 
2012-11-13 08:39:18 AM  

farkingatwork: I hope people realize where mercantilism (aka our current economy, sadly) fits in with ingenuity: it prevents it.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/11/10/154211/tesla-motors-sued-by-c a r-dealers

People don't want Tesla to exist, because it could *GASP* compete with the oil industry and the automotive industry.

/fark the dealerships

 


i116.photobucket.com 
 
2012-11-13 08:40:04 AM  

Icetech3: Lets not talk about how bad electric cars are for the environment... A: Create a shiatton of batterys.. take a look at the chemicals used... B: Batteries have a VERY short lifespan, especially compared to a gas motor.. C: Hey! Lets dispose of those shiatty toxic batteries by the thousands now... The whole electric car idea is bullshiat being pushed on people. Just horrible...

P.S. you should learn the truth behind recycling.. just recycling paper is VERY bad for the environment... the chemicals used.. AND the power used to recycle even paper is unreal..


The battery thing is why I just shake my head when the hippies get all jazzed up about hybrids and EVs. The metals that go into those batteries don't grow on trees... they're typically strip-mined. Then shipped somewhere to be smelted, shipped somewhere else to be processed into batteries, which are then shipped to the automaker's plant to be installed in the car, which is then shipped to a distributor, that then ships it to a dealer, that sells it to you. A Prius is about as green as a tire fire... any illusions had about reducing one's carbon footprint by owning one are just that... illusions. By the time you buy one and drive it home, the batteries alone have traveled more miles than you'll likely drive the first year of ownership.

Besides, if you drive like you actually have someplace to be, your mileage isn't any better than your typical gasoline-powered mid-size car. Yes, I'm talking to you, Mr. pass-me-doing-90-in-your-Prius.
 
2012-11-13 08:42:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?

The Chevy Volt does that.


But the Chevy Volt has no place to haul a ton of feed and doesn't look like it could pull a 5th wheeler with four one-ton drafters aboard. Are there plans for a locomotive on rubber tires that can go down the freeway or down a rutty two-track with nary an electrical outlet in sight?
 
2012-11-13 08:44:27 AM  
Only you pretentious metrosexuals living in craphole known as California complain about the range. Living in Philadelphia my work and everything else I need is within a 10 mile radius, I could drive all week and only need to charge it 1 time.
 
2012-11-13 08:44:40 AM  

Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff, this car is not for me.

 
2012-11-13 08:48:53 AM  

DSanchez: AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.

Actually, the civic won in 2006.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_Trend_Car_of_the_Year


Hell the Ford Probe won in 1993
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2012-11-13 08:49:10 AM  
Definitely a step in the right direction.
 
2012-11-13 08:51:42 AM  
And yet the major car companies and all their years and billions in research gave us...the Chevy Volt

That's because their big brother OIL Company doesn't want an electric car.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:10 AM  

Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?


A key thing to consider is that railways are by their nature the most energy-efficient means of transportation in existence (except maybe for the bicycle, but those don't carry thousands of tons of goods at a time). That's more a function of steel wheels on steel rails, rather than the specific drivetrain, and if the wires are available, straight electrics are more efficient than diesels. Diesel-electric locomotives are a thing because it's one of the better methods for large-scale torque conversion. There are diesel-hydraulic locos around, but that's mainly done in Europe where the freight trains are shorter. There have also been hybrids with batteries, first tried in the 1930s with some Alco/GE/Ingersoll-Rand units, but they have generally been switchers rather than road locomotives.

What works for trains isn't likely to work well for cars; a car has a vastly better power-to-weight ration than a train. It would take a hefty engine to make a Model S perform well when the batteries were drained (at least during acceleration).
 
2012-11-13 08:56:18 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I'm in. I'll tool down the road. My horn will blare "I PAY NO ROAD USE TAX SUCKERS!" I'll tell the SUV fatass in the cube next to me "Kindly, fatass, perchance thee to fill your tank tonight. There's an awful pothole on my commute and I desire it filled. My car, lamentably, pays naught a cent of tax for such trifles."

Then I would push the company to set up a charging station near the entrance. Like a Handicapped parking but without all those gimpy overtones. When I walk past it, I'll say something like "Look that person is making a difference. Reducing our reliance on terrist oil and pushing U S American technology forward. What a real American hero he must be. Not like those lazy get blowed up soldiers in AfgahnIraq."


Would Real American Women be fighting over which of them gets to ride shotgun? Cause they really should be.
 
2012-11-13 08:58:22 AM  

MindStalker: Honest Bender: But if I had the means I'd definitely snap one of these up. Slap some solar panels on the roof of the garage and a small battery array... For most people, it would save them a couple/few hundred dollars a month. Not really enough to recoop your costs on everything, but still pretty nice. Maybe even enough to take a good sized bite out of the monthly car payment...

The amount of roof area for solar panels is tiny, you might have a single square meter of area on top of your car. At 100% efficiency that's about 50 watt hours in perfect sunlight. The Tesla S battery is 85,000 watts. The models of Prius that have a solar panel on top use it to run a fan to keep it cool when you park in the sun, its more efficient to just park in the shade.


I belive the Origina poster meant to put the solar panel on top od the garage, not the car.
 
2012-11-13 09:00:41 AM  
hacknmod.com

/Only reason I clicked the link...
//Disappointed to see it was just a car...
 
2012-11-13 09:00:53 AM  

Icetech3: Lets not talk about how bad electric cars are for the environment... A: Create a shiatton of batterys.. take a look at the chemicals used... B: Batteries have a VERY short lifespan, especially compared to a gas motor.. C: Hey! Lets dispose of those shiatty toxic batteries by the thousands now... The whole electric car idea is bullshiat being pushed on people. Just horrible...

P.S. you should learn the truth behind recycling.. just recycling paper is VERY bad for the environment... the chemicals used.. AND the power used to recycle even paper is unreal..


clutch those pearls, environmentalist.

I love how you guys have convinced yourselves the earth is dying, when any evidence of human beings would be gone in 2000 years, tops.

And thats nothing to natural history. A blip.

Kind of like how fast things like asteroids or super volcanoes can really kick-start Climate Change.

Meanwhile we putz around arguing about plastic bags or battery disposal. LOL. Just, LOL.
 
2012-11-13 09:03:21 AM  

ph0rk: Why does everyone feel they need a full-lane four seat vehicle for their solo daily commute?


So the asswit in the other four seat full lane vehicle doesnt plow me over when he/she's distracted-driving.

Also, so I don't look like those smug douchebags on bikes thinking they're better than everyone.

Also, good heavens, I might actually need to give others a ride to and from someplace, or carry some purchased goods home from the local suburban retail outlet.
 
2012-11-13 09:04:46 AM  

knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.


To anyone who has this kind of negative gut reaction to Tesla Motors and the Model S, I offer a question: Have you found that your gut reactions have been wrong an awful lot lately? I mean, it turns out Apple made billions off the iPad, the auto bailout was a smart move, and George W really was a dick. You haven't exactly been batting 1.000 lately, have you?

And did you completely miss the whole last half of the article? Y'know, the part about the operational supercharger stations throughout California today, and the whole country in two years? The superchargers that give you 150 MILES IN 30 MINUTES VIA SOLAR FOR FREE?!?

Let me speak up for the cheap seats in here: Drive for five hours, eat a quick lunch, drive for two and a half hours more FOR FREE. For me (31 mile commute both ways at 38 MPG) this lands me 15k in savings over 8 years, which is how long the battery warranty lasts.

You can think with your lower intestines or you can think about the numbers with your higher brain. And here's a number for you: 2. That's how many cars Tesla Motors have developed to date. They've got good cash flow, happy enthusiastic customers, and a billionaire CEO who designs rockets in his spare time. These guys are just getting started.
 
2012-11-13 09:04:57 AM  

Harry Freakstorm: I'm in. I'll tool down the road. My horn will blare "I PAY NO ROAD USE TAX SUCKERS!" I'll tell the SUV fatass in the cube next to me "Kindly, fatass, perchance thee to fill your tank tonight. There's an awful pothole on my commute and I desire it filled. My car, lamentably, pays naught a cent of tax for such trifles."

Then I would push the company to set up a charging station near the entrance. Like a Handicapped parking but without all those gimpy overtones. When I walk past it, I'll say something like "Look that person is making a difference. Reducing our reliance on terrist oil and pushing U S American technology forward. What a real American hero he must be. Not like those lazy get blowed up soldiers in AfgahnIraq."


And if these ever catch on, they'll just pass a tax on car batteries. Done and done.
 
2012-11-13 09:15:02 AM  

Fubegra: Mr. Right: Having a farm and needing to haul heavy stuff and also not being very darned close to anything so that driving is required, the idea of an electric car appeals to me not even a little bit. However, train locomotives are electric vehicles that happen to have their own, onboard diesel generator, They can obviously haul heavy loads and trains offer the most best ton/mile fuel efficiency, other than a barge floating down the river.

Not an engineer so can any of the Fark automotive experts tell me if a car/truck with an efficient diesel engine powering an electric motor is feasible? It would seem to me that a 2 cylinder diesel could run a significant electric motor and, with even a modest storage battery on board, could be a lot more efficient and allow a much greater range. Or are there vehicles out there that do that already? Or is it just a colossally stupid idea?

A key thing to consider is that railways are by their nature the most energy-efficient means of transportation in existence (except maybe for the bicycle, but those don't carry thousands of tons of goods at a time). That's more a function of steel wheels on steel rails, rather than the specific drivetrain, and if the wires are available, straight electrics are more efficient than diesels. Diesel-electric locomotives are a thing because it's one of the better methods for large-scale torque conversion. There are diesel-hydraulic locos around, but that's mainly done in Europe where the freight trains are shorter. There have also been hybrids with batteries, first tried in the 1930s with some Alco/GE/Ingersoll-Rand units, but they have generally been switchers rather than road locomotives.

What works for trains isn't likely to work well for cars; a car has a vastly better power-to-weight ration than a train. It would take a hefty engine to make a Model S perform well when the batteries were drained (at least during acceleration).


Thanks for the info.
 
2012-11-13 09:16:50 AM  
Tesla's technology will have a bright future under Toyota ownership.

if Tesla had used another car maker's platform for the Model S rather than insist on building its own, it wouldn't be teetering on the edge right now and have a much brighter future.
 
2012-11-13 09:19:06 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: MindStalker: Honest Bender: But if I had the means I'd definitely snap one of these up. Slap some solar panels on the roof of the garage and a small battery array... For most people, it would save them a couple/few hundred dollars a month. Not really enough to recoop your costs on everything, but still pretty nice. Maybe even enough to take a good sized bite out of the monthly car payment...

The amount of roof area for solar panels is tiny, you might have a single square meter of area on top of your car. At 100% efficiency that's about 50 watt hours in perfect sunlight. The Tesla S battery is 85,000 watts. The models of Prius that have a solar panel on top use it to run a fan to keep it cool when you park in the sun, its more efficient to just park in the shade.

I belive the Origina poster meant to put the solar panel on top od the garage, not the car.


Facepalm, thanks ....
 
2012-11-13 09:20:09 AM  

swingbozo: Other Motor Trend "Cars of the year?" The Chevrolet Corvair. The Ford Maverick. Mighty fine company you are keeping there, Tesla.


I just saw a Ford Maverick on the road yesterday. It was the first time I had ever seen one. It was NOT in good shape.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:05 AM  

GameSprocket: swingbozo: Other Motor Trend "Cars of the year?" The Chevrolet Corvair. The Ford Maverick. Mighty fine company you are keeping there, Tesla.

I just saw a Ford Maverick on the road yesterday. It was the first time I had ever seen one. It was NOT in good shape.


You mean to tell me you saw one example of a car not produced for the American Domestic Market in 35 years, and it wasn't in great shape?

Say it isn't so.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:48 AM  
Herp derp Solyndra!
 
2012-11-13 09:32:57 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: The 'Car of the Year' awards are all slanted towards luxury models.

You'll never see the Toyota Tercel or Honda Civic winning one. The basis for judgment is skewed towards high end models.


1992 Golf was the European Car of the Year. And I think the Rabbit won once in the US.
 
2012-11-13 09:33:48 AM  

Greymalkin: Bladel: knbber2: Who wants a car that can only go about 200 miles and then has to recharge for most of the day? And the baseline is only $60K, what a bargain.

I'm interested. The range seems closer to 275, which should cover most days. $60k is about the same as a BMW, except for the "never buy gas again" bit.

Or you could still just buy a BMW (yes it does still use a little bit of fuel) but doesn't have that distance limitation if you want to have a good day's country highway driving.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_i8

IMO it looks better too. 

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x533]


Kinda looks like a TRON kitchen appliance.
 
2012-11-13 09:34:08 AM  
With a base price of $58,570, obviously the people buying these are no paying their fair share if they can buy these.
 
2012-11-13 09:35:48 AM  
Saw one of these at the Oregon electric vehicle association the other day. Probably the best car ever made. No, it is not cheap, and no you wouldn't expect the best car ever made to be cheap, especially when it is using emerging technology.

Also, goddamn there is some ignorance in this thread. Why are people so terrified of progress?
 
2012-11-13 09:38:49 AM  

Mr. Right: Fubegra: Mr. Right:
...................
What works for trains isn't likely to work well for cars; a car has a vastly better power-to-weight ration than a train. It would take a hefty engine to make a Model S perform well when the batteries were drained (at least during acceleration).

Thanks for the info.


One also has to consider the energy efficiency of the distribution system. While our electric grid is inefficient it is way more efficient than tanker trucks hauling gas to your local gas station. One main efficiency of trains and power plants is that the fuels can be shipped at a high efficiency to a central location.
 
2012-11-13 09:45:29 AM  

farkingatwork: I hope people realize where mercantilism (aka our current economy, sadly) fits in with ingenuity: it prevents it.
http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/11/10/154211/tesla-motors-sued-by-c a r-dealers

People don't want Tesla to exist, because it could *GASP* compete with the oil industry and the automotive industry.

/fark the dealerships


since you didn't bother reading the article that slashdot linked to:

In Massachusetts, franchise law 93B prohibits a manufacturer from owning a dealership

Massachusetts isn't the only state that has laws like this. Most states do. Tesla feels like it shouldn't have to abide by the law for some reason. Fisker doesn't have these dealer network problems, since it signed a deal with Penske.

car companies big and small have tried to get around these laws, and were sued into submission. More recently, Chrysler was forced to sell its Motor Village in Los Angeles rather than risk losing the ability to sell cars in the state, and the CA law wasn't as tough as the Mass. law.

Link
 
2012-11-13 09:48:50 AM  
This is NOT American ingenuity. It doesn't use gasoline, and is therefore unAmerican.
 
2012-11-13 09:51:19 AM  
49k starting price with a 7k federal grant price reduction? Just paid off my car today, so I just may look into getting one of these come this time next year if i could get one used for around 30!
 
2012-11-13 09:54:39 AM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: Icetech3: Lets not talk about how bad electric cars are for the environment... A: Create a shiatton of batterys.. take a look at the chemicals used... B: Batteries have a VERY short lifespan, especially compared to a gas motor.. C: Hey! Lets dispose of those shiatty toxic batteries by the thousands now... The whole electric car idea is bullshiat being pushed on people. Just horrible...

P.S. you should learn the truth behind recycling.. just recycling paper is VERY bad for the environment... the chemicals used.. AND the power used to recycle even paper is unreal..

The battery thing is why I just shake my head when the hippies get all jazzed up about hybrids and EVs. The metals that go into those batteries don't grow on trees... they're typically strip-mined. Then shipped somewhere to be smelted, shipped somewhere else to be processed into batteries, which are then shipped to the automaker's plant to be installed in the car, which is then shipped to a distributor, that then ships it to a dealer, that sells it to you. A Prius is about as green as a tire fire... any illusions had about reducing one's carbon footprint by owning one are just that... illusions. By the time you buy one and drive it home, the batteries alone have traveled more miles than you'll likely drive the first year of ownership.

Besides, if you drive like you actually have someplace to be, your mileage isn't any better than your typical gasoline-powered mid-size car. Yes, I'm talking to you, Mr. pass-me-doing-90-in-your-Prius.


I love how people who somehow try to argue, "enviromentalism doesn't work, because doing the same thing we've been doing since the car has been created is better for the enviroment than your hippy ideas" ("those hippy ideas" include breathing clearly or drinking from water sources untainted by harmful chemicals!).

Unless you have stock in an oil company, you shouldn't care that we're trying to find alternative methods to power vehicles. Batteries can be recycled and that car is made of metal that goes through the same industrial processes as building the battery! What we want to reduce is the "additional impact" that vehicle would make on the enviroment through reducing or hopefully eliminating the emissions it produces. Why do people like you act having an "well, it won't effect it quickly in the short term, so why bother doing it at all?" additude? What is the harm in trying!?
 
2012-11-13 09:56:59 AM  
good, the closer we are to full electric cars the better, hydrids are just a stepping stone anyhow
 
2012-11-13 10:01:56 AM  

dp3: For those talking about range issues, EVs are not at the stage where you can do a practical long-haul drive. They are for city commuting and smaller trips,


Yes

dp3: nobody realistically drives 100-200 miles daily in a single go...


Maine is 7 hours North to South and 5 hours East to West
Some people have really long commutes for our few crappy jobs.
 
2012-11-13 10:04:19 AM  
Wow.. nobody else noticed this???

The new Tesla S:

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Aston Martin DB9:

www.sportscarcup.com
 
2012-11-13 10:07:04 AM  

BHShaman: dp3: For those talking about range issues, EVs are not at the stage where you can do a practical long-haul drive. They are for city commuting and smaller trips,


Yes

dp3: nobody realistically drives 100-200 miles daily in a single go...

Maine is 7 hours North to South and 5 hours East to West
Some people have really long commutes for our few crappy jobs.


Renault and Better Place have an interesting solution for the range problem: battery switching stations, not battery charging stations.

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