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(CNN)   One week later, a reminder to conservatives: In 1962, the government regulated the price of every airline ticket, all men prepared for the draft, the top income tax rate was 91%, and owning a telephone or gold bars was illegal under federal law   (cnn.com) divider line 176
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2012-11-13 10:41:21 AM

verbaltoxin: Supes: verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.

Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.

1. Men created the male-only draft. It was created during a much more openly sexist time in American history, when gender roles were more binary, fixed and assumed.

2. A male-only draft assumes women aren't worthy or capable of being drafted. They have to stay home and care for the babies while men fight.

3. Military service grants benefits (Like ones I detailed above), and having a male-only draft ensures more men have access to them then women, in the event the draft is used.

4. A male-only draft assumes men to be more fit for service, and if the draft is used men are at greater risk for having their lives disrupted and being killed.

Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men. So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether. That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.



it's pretty simple, women are much more valuable to the continuation of the species(or the tribe, nation, whatever). 1 man can do the work of many in this regard. 1 woman can not do the reproduction of 10 or 100 women. That's why we as a speices have tended to keep them out of harms way.
 
2012-11-13 10:49:39 AM

SuperT: 1 woman can not do the reproduction of 10 or 100 women.


These ladies would like a word with you...

haveuheard.net


www.thehollywood5.com
 
2012-11-13 10:50:16 AM
FTFA:
The government regulated "the commission on every purchase or sale of stock."

False. It was set by the New York Stock Exchange under a pricing scheme that was later deemed to be illegal price-fixing.
 
2012-11-13 10:53:36 AM

Mr_Fabulous: That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.


The GOP needs to gather up what sanity is left in their party and come up with a plan. Get Steele, Rubio, Christie, Frum, Stein, Krystol and anyone not a bloody evangelical or racist together in a room and get them to talking and soon or the party's dead.
 
2012-11-13 11:07:34 AM

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


WHERE ARE THE JOBS, MR PRESIDENT?!? UNEMPLOYMENT IS SO HIGH!!!

YOU DAMN LAZY LIBERALS, GET A JOB ALREADY!!!!!
 
2012-11-13 11:43:05 AM
Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

Because these things had no effect on the economy.
 
2012-11-13 11:50:25 AM
Here's a story about a lady who leased a phone for over 40 years at the cost of $29.10 every three months
 
2012-11-13 11:51:09 AM
 
2012-11-13 12:06:25 PM
THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

www.whitetrashnyc.com
 
2012-11-13 12:21:02 PM

verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.


I briefly recall that to be the case when gender equality in selective service was first raised by Carter but it seems to have fallen by the wayside once it was clear that women would not be required to register and therefore ceased to be a "women's issue". Now I will agree that some feminists argue against the draft but that is more a function of it being congruent with their personal anti-war stance rather than from a feminists / gender equality stance.
 
2012-11-13 12:35:30 PM

eddiesocket: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

And these were the good ol' days the Republicans pine for. (Aka days that never ever existed).


Owning it wasn't. Connecting it to a Ma Bell line, however, was.
 
2012-11-13 12:46:17 PM

verbaltoxin: Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men.


It seems that we're in agreement with respect to selective service registration being gender biased.

So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether.

This is where you lose me because I have literally never seen feminists agitate for selective service registration. A google search for "feminists against selective service" results in very few references to actual feminist agitation against this gender inequality. Getting rid of the draft appears to be more a function on congruence of the peace and feminist movements rather than it being a function of feminism alone.

That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

I absolutely agree, I was just pointing out one of the things I always found to be slightly irksome about selective service i.e. that registration is compulsory for men but not for women.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.

I have yet to see it on a sign at a slut walk. ;-)
 
2012-11-13 01:01:40 PM

keylock71: ...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.


Hell, even dialing up the person you were going to biatch out was fun. SNAP-tic-tic-tic-tic... SNAP-tic-tic-tic-tic...etc for 7-9 digits. Dialing took just long enough that you had time to practice your verbal biatchslap. Finish it up by slamming the phone on the cradle, knowing it won't damage the phone, delivering a loud crash followed by an annoying dial tone -- and the person you called KNEW they had been dissed. Unlike the meek little silence that follows hanging up on somebody via a cell phone.

Hmm, now that I'm feeling all nostalgic, it might be nice to have a landline and tank phone around just for making those rare angry calls.
 
2012-11-13 01:24:27 PM

theknuckler_33: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

Citation please?


Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

Hobodeluxe: but subsidizing oil,gas and coal companies is


What "subsidies" do oil and gas get? Thats right, this is a liberal myth. There are no subsidies, only deductions for equipment depreciation, failed exploration, expenses and other liabilities that every industry gets to write off against their profits. The Oil/energy industry pays a tremendous amount of money in taxes. If you can point to any Oil/petrol Solyndras that dont make or produce anything and rake in billions in government cheese, I'm all ears to hear about it.
 
2012-11-13 01:26:04 PM

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


You're right. Some of us would like to get out of at-risk, white-trash neighborhoods by studying and bettering ourselves, and maybe providing lives for our younger relatives, who can't get out yet.

/F**k you. Seriously. F**k you.
 
2012-11-13 01:36:01 PM

o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -


and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?
 
2012-11-13 01:58:08 PM
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This was my favourite. The handset weighed around 30 pounds if I recall. As a bonus, I think the cord was insulated with Asbestos. Truly a weapon of the ages.
 
2012-11-13 02:01:06 PM

o5iiawah: What "subsidies" do oil and gas get? Thats right, this is a liberal myth. There are no subsidies, only deductions for equipment depreciation, failed exploration, expenses and other liabilities that every industry gets to write off against their profits.


The three largest Fossil Fuel subsidies in the US in 2009:

Foreign tax credit ($15.3 billion)
Credit for production of non-conventional fuels ($14.1 billion)
Oil and Gas exploration and development expenses ($7.1 billion)

Source (PDF)

Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.
 
2012-11-13 02:38:41 PM

unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?


That the president's belief that there should be public ownership and state control of industry is the furthest thing from a "center-right" or republican/conservative position?

Teufelaffe: Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.


Thanks for proving my point. All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America. Oil and Gas development expenses are COSTS of business, they are usually DEDUCTED from the revenue of an overall business, thereby forming the tax LIABILITY of the unit. The Oil company then pays taxes on the earnings - costs.

If an oil company makes $60BN in profit and has $6Bn in expenses, it pays a tax liability on $54BN in income. It does not get $6BN in welfare.

Oil companies are simply an easy target for liberals who havent the slightest understanding of how economics or taxes work, makes for amusing reads however...
 
2012-11-13 03:23:39 PM

o5iiawah: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?

That the president's belief that there should be public ownership and state control of industry is the furthest thing from a "center-right" or republican/conservative position?

Teufelaffe: Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.

Thanks for proving my point. All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America. Oil and Gas development expenses are COSTS of business, they are usually DEDUCTED from the revenue of an overall business, thereby forming the tax LIABILITY of the unit. The Oil company then pays taxes on the earnings - costs.

If an oil company makes $60BN in profit and has $6Bn in expenses, it pays a tax liability on $54BN in income. It does not get $6BN in welfare.

Oil companies are simply an easy target for liberals who havent the slightest understanding of how economics or taxes work, makes for amusing reads however...


tax credits are subsidies.

a rose by any other name.
 
2012-11-13 08:18:23 PM

o5iiawah: All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America.


The federal and state governments offer oil & gas companies multiple tax credits and exemptions that no other industry receives or credits and exemptions that they shouldn't be receiving. Some examples:

Percentage depletion
Companies are generally allowed to deduct the costs of an investment over the life span of that investment. As the value of the investment depreciates, the deduction goes down. Oil companies on the other hand, get to use a special method for their deductions called "percentage depletion." Instead of deducting the costs of a well as its value declines, oil companies can deduct a flat percentage of the income they derive from it. Thus a gas or oil well's tax benefits do not depreciate over time, and the more profitable a well, the greater the tax benefit. No other industry is allowed to do this.

Domestic manufacturing deduction
Manufacturing companies were extended special deductions starting in 2004 for keeping manufacturing jobs in the US. The gas & oil companies managed to lobby enough to get included in these special deductions, even though they can't outsource most of their business since it depends on geographically fixed resources.

Immediate deductions for drilling costs
Whereas companies in every other industry have to spread their deductions for investments over the life of the investment, oil & gas companies can take immediate full deductions for some expenses involved in the building of oil and gas wells. No other industry is allowed to do this.

"Dual capacity taxpayer" rules
We allow companies that do business internationally to reduce from their tax bill for taxes paid to other governments. Oil companies get "dual capacity taxpayer" status, which allows them to claim tax reductions on royalty payments (which are not taxes) to other countries.

Seriously, if you think oil & gas companies aren't getting a totally sweet deal from the federal and state governments that is not being extended to other industries, you're completely clueless.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

Yes, it was. Ma Bell owned the phone in your house, not you.


They were good phones, too. You could drop them 100 times and they wouldn't break.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:27 PM

keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )


Hah. After we got our push button phone, we went out and shot BB guns and no one called the police.

//was really baffled by the * and # keys
 
2012-11-14 02:28:35 AM

Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)


Actually that started with Carter in 1980.
 
2012-11-14 11:58:33 AM

SuperT: tax credits are subsidies.

a rose by any other name.


Either way, you as the consumer/taxpayer end up shouldering the burden, either through higher taxes, or higher prices at the pump.
 
2012-11-15 06:34:35 PM

dittybopper: But no, if you owned a phone, provided you didn't steal it (ie., walk off with TPC property that you were leasing), it wasn't illegal. You could even hook it up, it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.


Bell would demand to know where you got a phone that they didn't lease. Then they'd try to recover the phone. I believe they liberalized it and allowed the sale of phones later.

Bell had it's own security team for handling people using equipment in unauthorized ways. They'd often check to see how many phones a customer had. If they had more phones than they were paying for, expect to be disconnected.
 
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