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(CNN)   One week later, a reminder to conservatives: In 1962, the government regulated the price of every airline ticket, all men prepared for the draft, the top income tax rate was 91%, and owning a telephone or gold bars was illegal under federal law   (cnn.com ) divider line
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2012-11-13 01:54:11 AM  
Sounds almost...Communist.
 
2012-11-13 03:29:49 AM  
You "prepared" for the draft in the sense of letting it come and get you. The path to manhood was blocked by a dude in a big hat who yelled a lot.
 
2012-11-13 03:58:57 AM  
It took a long time to shake the last of the FDR compulsory socialism.
 
2012-11-13 06:45:54 AM  
Sometimes, the old ways are the best.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-11-13 06:55:34 AM  
Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because I think that guy is a dumbass who did real damage to us.

I really don't want to hear from him until he apologizes for that.
 
2012-11-13 07:08:58 AM  
Nostalgia is great when one can cherry-pick only the good parts.

thefeministwire.com
 
2012-11-13 07:10:24 AM  
The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.
 
2012-11-13 07:10:31 AM  
Speaking of which, here's an interesting article I dug up recently.
Were the early 1960s a golden age for healthcare?
 
2012-11-13 07:14:15 AM  
This article will go resonate in conservative circles about as well as a fart in church.
 
2012-11-13 07:15:18 AM  

RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?


Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.
 
2012-11-13 07:17:49 AM  
Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?
 
2012-11-13 07:18:41 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


If you did, it would be a nice change of pace from all your whining and crying. So the article didn't get through to you at all, did it? Let me guess: David Frum is a RINO, a traitor, a commie, etc. Oh, and also Romney still had a chance at taking Ohio!
 
2012-11-13 07:19:50 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


I have no idea why you're laughing even harder, but the mere fact that you attacked it makes me think it's 100% true. Your track record of supporting complete and utter bs has preceded you.
 
2012-11-13 07:20:09 AM  

I Like Bread: Speaking of which, here's an interesting article I dug up recently.
Were the early 1960s a golden age for healthcare?


This is why Politifact sucks:
As soon as we heard this, we wondered whether his portrayal was accurate. We considered putting his comment to the Truth-O-Meter, but we decided that it was impossible to do so. We couldn't prove a negative -- that "there was nobody out in the street suffering with no medical care" during that era.
That's not attempting to prove a negative. The statement that "nobody suffered from lack of health care" is a testable assertion. All you need to do is find one destitute person who died of a treatable condition or a living person who had no access to health care in that time frame and recalls suffering for it.
 
2012-11-13 07:20:17 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


And these were the good ol' days the Republicans pine for. (Aka days that never ever existed).
 
2012-11-13 07:21:05 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


You'll have to laugh pretty loudly to hear yourself over everyone laughing at you.

I'm sure you're used to this by now.
 
2012-11-13 07:21:08 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Yes, it was. Ma Bell owned the phone in your house, not you.
 
2012-11-13 07:21:09 AM  

Generation_D: Nostalgia is great when one can cherry-pick only the good parts.

[thefeministwire.com image 850x551]


Good parts? I only watched two seasons, but from L: knocked up and ignored, dunno who that is, raped by her fiancee, too dumb to realize she repeatedly cheated on by her husband, nympho whoreson identity thief who shunned his brother before suicide, closeted gay, alcoholic, closeted gay
 
2012-11-13 07:22:30 AM  
THEN WHO WAS PHONE?
 
2012-11-13 07:25:34 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?


Ma Bell had the monopoly on the telephone system. They owned the phones, they owned the lines, they owned it all. If you had a working telephone, it was either owned by Ma Bell or stolen property. It was an absolute monopoly on our communications infrastructure. That's why you had a running skit on SNL with the punch line "what are you going to do, we're the phone company?".

The break up of Bell Telephone was a huge deal, how did you miss it?
 
2012-11-13 07:25:50 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Actually, yes. You rented your Western Electric phone when you subscribed from American Telephone and Telegraph. I'm pretty sure the other phone company out in the rural parts of the country did it exactly the same.

In the 1970s the only way to own Western Electric equipment was to buy it off of Bell system employees who were gray-market selling it at HAM radio fests.
 
2012-11-13 07:26:01 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Yes, it was. Ma Bell owned the phone in your house, not you.


According to Apple, they own all iPhones.
 
2012-11-13 07:26:29 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

Ma Bell had the monopoly on the telephone system. They owned the phones, they owned the lines, they owned it all. If you had a working telephone, it was either owned by Ma Bell or stolen property. It was an absolute monopoly on our communications infrastructure. That's why you had a running skit on SNL with the punch line "what are you going to do, we're the phone company?".

The break up of Bell Telephone was a huge deal, how did you miss it?


By not being born when it happened would be my guess.
 
2012-11-13 07:27:56 AM  
Look, I may be a RINO because I believe evolution is a thing and that men are likely warming the climate of the planet. But when did we get so far away from the conservative tenet of "If something does not work, return to the previous, working method."

The 90s had tax rates that worked for America. Start there if you want to start reigning this defecit in.
 
2012-11-13 07:28:40 AM  

Generation_D: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

Actually, yes. You rented your Western Electric phone when you subscribed from American Telephone and Telegraph. I'm pretty sure the other phone company out in the rural parts of the country did it exactly the same.

In the 1970s the only way to own Western Electric equipment was to buy it off of Bell system employees who were gray-market selling it at HAM radio fests.


Yep and you had to pay a rental fee for each phone in your house every month. That is why homes back then only had one phone in them, and on the rare occasion they had two.
 
2012-11-13 07:30:26 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

there was a time when that was the phone you could get, because that's all that was being rented from the phone company - i could be remember it sideways, but i don't think it was a matter of 'owning a phone is illegal' so much as it was illegal for them to be sold - i remember when a phone store opened up in a local mall (right next to the Lowrey Organ, complete with fat housewifes playing ooompa-music) and it being a momentous occasion, at least.
the day the world changed, and you could get a phone shaped like Garfield. Garfield! we didn't get our flying cars, but dammit we got garfield phones.

now if you'll excuse me, my belt onion needs adjusting
 
2012-11-13 07:33:13 AM  

heap: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

there was a time when that was the phone you could get, because that's all that was being rented from the phone company - i could be remember it sideways, but i don't think it was a matter of 'owning a phone is illegal' so much as it was illegal for them to be sold - i remember when a phone store opened up in a local mall (right next to the Lowrey Organ, complete with fat housewifes playing ooompa-music) and it being a momentous occasion, at least.
the day the world changed, and you could get a phone shaped like Garfield. Garfield! we didn't get our flying cars, but dammit we got garfield phones.

now if you'll excuse me, my belt onion needs adjusting


mine too.
 
2012-11-13 07:34:36 AM  

BarrRepublican: Look, I may be a RINO because I believe evolution is a thing and that men are likely warming the climate of the planet. But when did we get so far away from the conservative tenet of "If something does not work, return to the previous, working method."


You're really missing the whole "cherry picking" thing, aren't you?

See also: a lack of understanding of this concept when it comes to the modern GOP vs the modern Democratic Party:
oi50.tinypic.com

Today's GOP blindly abhors every piece of watered-down conservative legislation that originates from someone with a D in front of their name. Rush Limbaugh's head would explode into thousands of oxycontin-soaked pieces if someone suggested an actual liberal policy. On anything.
 
2012-11-13 07:34:44 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


It's certainly why I pulled the lever for Gary Johnson and went straight Dem downticket.

If only one side acts like adults and treats me with enough respect to say "here are the details of our plan" then they get my vote. Congressional Republicans acted like petulant children over at least the last two years.

And I work for a defense contractor. I know I'd see more work once Romney bombed Iran. That's how bad they've farked this up. I don't trust the GOP anymore after the shiat they pulled in the '00s.
 
2012-11-13 07:35:37 AM  
No one should be required to register for the draft. More importantly, draft registry should have no bearing on the ability of a citizen to perform his/her voting duties and no affect on his/her ability to procure education aid.

Also, 91% is high to me and I fall somewhere within a triangle made up of Democrats, non-authoritarian libertarians and the Green party. I do, however, agree that taxes on the richest among us should be increased as well as cutting the defense budget.
 
2012-11-13 07:36:22 AM  
Don't all men still have to register for the draft?
 
2012-11-13 07:38:00 AM  
Having watched an AirTran flight from Philadelphia to Orlando board I would vote for a candidate who would reregulate the airlines.
 
2012-11-13 07:39:25 AM  

clkeagle: BarrRepublican: Look, I may be a RINO because I believe evolution is a thing and that men are likely warming the climate of the planet. But when did we get so far away from the conservative tenet of "If something does not work, return to the previous, working method."

You're really missing the whole "cherry picking" thing, aren't you?

See also: a lack of understanding of this concept when it comes to the modern GOP vs the modern Democratic Party:


Today's GOP blindly abhors every piece of watered-down conservative legislation that originates from someone with a D in front of their name. Rush Limbaugh's head would explode into thousands of oxycontin-soaked pieces if someone suggested an actual liberal policy. On anything.


I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

Barack Obama, despite the gasbags' penchant to label thing communist, is the best Republican president in my lifetime. Period.
 
2012-11-13 07:40:40 AM  

Gulper Eel: RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.


Without excusing the violence committed over the years by Iran, we can acknowledge that the United States committed grave offenses against the sovereignty of Iran and against the Iranian people for many decades before factions of that society turned to asshattedness. Perhaps, they should have sought a non-violent means of protesting U.S. interference in their affairs, but their failure to seek a path to peaceful resistance does not negate the role of the USA in our past conflicts.
 
2012-11-13 07:40:56 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?


It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)
 
2012-11-13 07:42:11 AM  
You don't own something that is leased.

saying it's illegal to own a phone is technically correct but doesn't accurately convey the issue.

Also, marginal tax rates are synonymous with tax burden.
 
2012-11-13 07:44:43 AM  

clkeagle:
Today's GOP blindly abhors every piece of watered-down conservative legislation that originates from someone with a D in front of their name. Rush Limbaugh's head would explode into thousands of oxycontin-soaked pieces if someone suggested an actual liberal policy. On anything.


it's worse than that even. Ther even abhor legislation that they proposed and spent two decades promoting because someone with a (D) said 'ok, we'll give your way a go'.
 
2012-11-13 07:45:23 AM  
I just hope we don't get into any wars in these next 4 years.
 
2012-11-13 07:45:43 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

Yes, and you had to use a rotatory dial too. NO PUSH BUTTONS.

 
2012-11-13 07:46:20 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?


At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)
 
2012-11-13 07:50:23 AM  

Lunaville: Without excusing the violence committed over the years by Iran, we can acknowledge that the United States committed grave offenses against the sovereignty of Iran and against the Iranian people for many decades before factions of that society turned to asshattedness. Perhaps, they should have sought a non-violent means of protesting U.S. interference in their affairs, but their failure to seek a path to peaceful resistance does not negate the role of the USA in our past conflicts.


While true, that wasn't even my point. My point was that in 2001/2002, regardless of our past histories, Iran and the US seemed to be at a good place to make progress towards each other, and Frum's speech, way too clever by far, alienated and positioned Iraq as an enemy when we might have been able to turn things around.
 
2012-11-13 07:51:24 AM  
Look, they aren't EVER going to let go of the delusion that only white republicans have or want jobs. They are NEVER changing their tune on that, ever. That is their biggest and hardest selling point to their base.

It seriously turns them on to imagine themselves as this besieged, oppressed minority, valiantly struggling against the corrupt ravening hordes of evil, godless jobless liberals. Mighty Christian soldiers doing the Good Work but constantly under attack by the very people they labor for.

Reality of course is a little different. Reality has a liberal bias, and the simple facts are that RedStates are welfare states, that by and large survive by the largess of productive blue states. Liberals and democrats and humanist libertarians all over America work and pay taxes so that back country white trash can live on welfare and food stamps and angrily decry minorities getting "obamaphones"(that were a bush administration invention).
 
2012-11-13 07:51:45 AM  
Both of my parents worked for the phone company. In 1962, we had a party line. It was prohibitively expensive to get your own line at that point, and there were long waiting lists even to get a party line. The phone was permanently installed; you couldn't unplug a phone and move it to a jack in a different room. You couldn't disconnect it or turn off the ringer either. If some jackass wanted to keep calling you at 2 AM, you could take the phone off the hook. If you did that, there would be loud tone coming from it for a few minutes. And the phone company didn't like you doing that; they considered that abusing the system, and they'd call you up and yell at you about it. Also, when the phone was off the hook, an operator could listen in. If someone was speaking near the phone, she could hear it.

I remember hearing my dad gripe about crazy little old ladies who would "just sit and talk all day." With disgust and scorn in his voice. What were they doing wrong? "Well they just sat there and talked...all day. About nothing."

How do you know they talked about nothing?

No response to that--I think he didn't like admitting that they all regularly eavesdropped illegally on people.

And why is it a problem? Isn't a phone to talk?

Yeah, but if everybody talked all the time, the lines would be busy all the time, and then nobody could make a call.

So is there a rule that says how much you can talk? When someone buys a phone, are they told, you can only use it a certain number of minutes a day?

No. But these crazy little old ladies, they just sit and talk...all day.

So that was 1962. Cranky white men angry about sad, lonely old women using telephones to talk to each other. Now rolling forward to 2012, and I hear cranky white men angry at, of all things, teachers, and I think, really, not much has changed.
 
2012-11-13 07:51:59 AM  

RoyBatty: heap: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

there was a time when that was the phone you could get, because that's all that was being rented from the phone company - i could be remember it sideways, but i don't think it was a matter of 'owning a phone is illegal' so much as it was illegal for them to be sold - i remember when a phone store opened up in a local mall (right next to the Lowrey Organ, complete with fat housewifes playing ooompa-music) and it being a momentous occasion, at least.
the day the world changed, and you could get a phone shaped like Garfield. Garfield! we didn't get our flying cars, but dammit we got garfield phones.

now if you'll excuse me, my belt onion needs adjusting

mine too.


Hot damn. I remember when the breakup of Ma Bell was a big deal.

....

Goddammit. :-/ I feel old now.
 
2012-11-13 07:52:37 AM  

Mrbogey: You don't own something that is leased.

saying it's illegal to own a phone is technically correct but doesn't accurately convey the issue.


No, it's not technically correct. You could own a phone. It didn't violate any law to own one. No one was ever arrested for owning their own phone.

The issue was that Ma Bell leased the phones to customers, it didn't sell them retail. While this had some disadvantages, it also had advantages: If the phone broke*, TPC would replace it for you. They were responsible for maintenance from "lip to ear", anything between those two was owned by the phone company, and they were responsible for fixing it if it went wrong.

But no, if you owned a phone, provided you didn't steal it (ie., walk off with TPC property that you were leasing), it wasn't illegal. You could even hook it up, it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.
 
2012-11-13 07:53:31 AM  
FTA:

"Compare the United States of 2012 to the United States of 1962. Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy."

While the article makes a fair point, this part in particular is what irks me. It would be easy to disregard that little bit of American social behavior of '62 if it weren't still being harped by the fringe of the right to this day.

It's just not PC to do so these days, so they've got to be subtle about it. Instead, you've got to turn the argument around and call those dirty liberals racist for demonizing their culture and placing preference on those damn minorities, what with their ever-growing voices in politics these days.

Whatever, I'm nit-picking a CNN article that actually made an honest attempt at being reasonable. I can at least say I somewhat agree. Nobody voted for socialism, and the commie boogey man isn't coming for anybody's money.

I do think the GOP is slowly becoming irrelevant, though, primarily because of their social stances. It'll take a lot more than reflection for them to regain their footing with the electorate.
 
2012-11-13 07:58:17 AM  

dittybopper: it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.



Remember all those old movies in which people used the table-top models as freaking weapons? Guy breaks in, resident grabs phone, and THWACK! upside the head.

I'm not trying that with my RAZR.
 
2012-11-13 08:01:04 AM  

dittybopper:

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.


yah, again, i think it's just one of those things you either have as a memory, or you missed out - we lived in an era where it was not only easy, but so very tempting to *kill somebody with a telephone*.

and the sonofabiatch would still work after you caved someones skull in with it.


ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.
 
2012-11-13 08:02:15 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)


Unfortunately, there are a few. I've long opposed anyone being required for selective service. I formed my opposition in the nineties. I had this boyfriend that was quite knowledgeable about issues. He was the most truly peaceful person I had met at that time. He didn't just run his mouth about peace; he tried to live and practice what he believed. And he did not vote. Prior to meeting him, I had not realized how our selective service registration requirements tilt our electorate away from peace and toward war.

it is absolute discrimination against men. And it is discrimination against the most peaceful in our population. I repeat, no one should be required to register for the draft.

Our meeting for worship encourages boys to register as conscientious objectors and to proceed with voting, but they are still registered and it strikes me as wrong, wrong, wrong. As a Mom of a boy and a girl, I don't want both my children equitably discriminated against via a co-gender draft. I want draft requirements nixed for both of them. My son is just as valuable to me as my daughter is.

This statement is so long. If I ever go to grad school, I'm going to post my dissertation to FARK. Ha!
 
2012-11-13 08:03:50 AM  

RoyBatty: Lunaville: Without excusing the violence committed over the years by Iran, we can acknowledge that the United States committed grave offenses against the sovereignty of Iran and against the Iranian people for many decades before factions of that society turned to asshattedness. Perhaps, they should have sought a non-violent means of protesting U.S. interference in their affairs, but their failure to seek a path to peaceful resistance does not negate the role of the USA in our past conflicts.

While true, that wasn't even my point. My point was that in 2001/2002, regardless of our past histories, Iran and the US seemed to be at a good place to make progress towards each other, and Frum's speech, way too clever by far, alienated and positioned Iraq as an enemy when we might have been able to turn things around.


Ah, noted.
 
2012-11-13 08:04:47 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?
 
2012-11-13 08:05:08 AM  
Then later the phone company allowed you to "buy" the phone, however they still owned the inside, you owned just the outside.
Of course, they made this clear to the consumer (not)
 
2012-11-13 08:07:52 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.

You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?


He is working. This is his job.
 
2012-11-13 08:07:59 AM  

neongoats: Look, they aren't EVER going to let go of the delusion that only white republicans have or want jobs.


I think what annoys me most about that delusion is the sheer number of people with that sort of view who don't have a job. Of course, it's always someone elses' fault: either women are taking the jobs for less pay, or affirmative action is giving all the jobs to "the blacks", or "illegals" are stealing all the jobs. Their unemployed status has nothing at all to do with them.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:02 AM  
Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:22 AM  
Did anybody else have black market phones at their house?

Muta: This article will go resonate in conservative circles about as well as a fart in church.


Well, as you can see a few comments prior to yours, one reaction will be to put their fingers in their ears.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:52 AM  
The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.
 
2012-11-13 08:09:28 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: dittybopper: it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.


Remember all those old movies in which people used the table-top models as freaking weapons? Guy breaks in, resident grabs phone, and THWACK! upside the head.

I'm not trying that with my RAZR.


Oh man, those Ma Bell phones were amazingly solid. I have no idea what you would have to do to them to break them. Now it's like you have to replace your phone every two years or something. I blame Obama.
 
2012-11-13 08:11:31 AM  

heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.


Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )
 
2012-11-13 08:11:41 AM  
And, when modems came along, they had to have a documented "ringer-equivalent". You could only connected a limited number of devices to your home phone wiring and those that weren't owned by Ma Bell had to be registered with Ma Bell. There was a reasonable reason for this rule, though. Back in the day, connecting too many devices could create too much draw on the line and phones wouldn't ring if someone called.
 
2012-11-13 08:14:04 AM  

RubberBandMan: Then later the phone company allowed you to "buy" the phone, however they still owned the inside, you owned just the outside.
Of course, they made this clear to the consumer (not)


I remember walking to the At&T facility to buy a phone. They were still, mostly, rotary dial models. The lowest priced model was basic phone that came in black or beige. It was the defend yourself against an intruder style referenced up-thread. I splurged an extra ten dollars on a little red phone that was almost triangle like. It was the most stylish object in my apartment.
 
2012-11-13 08:15:22 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


le'me guess...you were told they just want free stuff?

yeah, hey, didn't those same people tell you Mitt was ahead in the polls? how hard did you laugh at that?

/Obama voter who works hard, pays taxes, owns a home, and is tired of GOPers crying about the lack of interest in their terrible ideas.
//I know it's everyone else's fault, they're moochers. Keep telling yourself that as you watch the country move right on past you.
 
2012-11-13 08:15:57 AM  

Lunaville: Gulper Eel: RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.

Without excusing the violence committed over the years by Iran, we can acknowledge that the United States committed grave offenses against the sovereignty of Iran and against the Iranian people for many decades before factions of that society turned to asshattedness. Perhaps, they should have sought a non-violent means of protesting U.S. interference in their affairs, but their failure to seek a path to peaceful resistance does not negate the role of the USA in our past conflicts.


STOP APOLOGIZING FOR 'MURICA!
 
2012-11-13 08:17:24 AM  
...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.
 
2012-11-13 08:19:22 AM  

keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )


I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.
 
2012-11-13 08:19:39 AM  
The only sensible thing to conclude from TFA is that David Frum is obviously a flaming libby lib who is an atheist who sucks dicks, performs abortions in his spare time and wants free stuff.
 
2012-11-13 08:23:09 AM  

Kibbler: we had a party line


My mothers' entire family was on the same party line. We rarely dialed one another. We picked up the receiver and said "Are you there? Hello! Are you there?" I remember picking up the phone every time I walked through the living room just in case one of my cousins might be on the line saying "Hello, are you there?"
 
2012-11-13 08:23:19 AM  

dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.


You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?
 
2012-11-13 08:23:36 AM  

way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.


I feel bad for kids today... They'll never know the joy of nailing your best friend in the head with a rock while playing "War". My particular favorite was stink bomb wars with those nasty smelling fruit that fell from certain trees. Still don't know the actual name to this day. They'll always be "stink bombs" to me. : )
 
2012-11-13 08:23:39 AM  
The line between "making" and "taking" is not a racial line. The biggest government program we have, Medicare, benefits a population that is 85% white.

When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.

Even today, the GOP is the party of choice of those who would apply a religious (Fundamentalist Protestant Christian) and a racial (White) litmus test to voting, to holding office, to "entitlements", and to full membership (Real Americanism) in American politics and society.

This is the Party of Jim Crow.

What they did was take the racist South's convinction that blacks are immoral, stupid, lazy monkeys who have to be beaten and coerced into work and metastasized it to apply to any whites who oppose them, which means Democrats and liberals and non-fundamentalist Christians coontil recently Jews and Roman Catholics were "the Enemy" although the change of heart on abortion and the furor over gay rights and marriage have brought many of the Neo-Con Roman Catholics and Jews under the "Movement"'s sway, not to mention the Deification of the State of Israel by fundamentalists who anticipate it's destruction and the conversion of the Jews as part of their End Times and the Triumph of their own brand of Christianity in this world and the next.

In the double-think which has come to dominate the Republican Party and the Conservatives and the Movementaryans, black equals slack and white equals might and right. Thus, they promote a narrative in which all Democrats, all liberals, all non-whites, all non conservatives, non-fundamentalists, are undermining America, Right Religion, the World, Work, the Economy, etc.

They are takers. We are makers. Arbeit macht frei.

This ideology (hypocritical and counter-factual as it is) underlies policy ("right to work legislation), tactics and strategy ("voter fraud" equals vote supression for partisan advantage and to disenfrancise the hated minorities, starting with non-whites, and proceeding on to all "enemy" groups such as the poor, liberals, Democrats, women, college students, the urban masses, etc.).

But as David Frum points out from his more traditional Republican, old world Conservative, point of view, this is simply untrue.

Most of the benefits of the "entitlements" go to whites not only because they are more numerous (for now) but because the entitlements are skewed towards the more prosperous members of the middle classes (who do most of the vote, campaigning and donating) rather than to the people who need help most.

Frum is right that 85% of the money goes to whites, but he neglects to point out that blacks alone are 12% of the population, Asians another 3%, then there are Hispanics, native Americans, women, etc.

The system is skewed to give to the self-style "makers" while not giving enough to the so-called "takers" who are the whole point of welfare, healthcare, education and so forth--the people who need help meetng basic physical and other needs because they are too poor to pay for costly treatments and high-priced schools (and the bad schools are often more costly than the best schools--you can pay way more to go to Dickwad University than Harvard, where the tuition and scholarships are better balanced).

Every furious Replublican, even those who are not consciously racist, regards the Democrat as a natural born N***** and since the real N****** are voting Democratic at a rate up to 95% or even more in some districts, the equation holds subconsciously even when the conscious mind abhors it.

And now the whole system of kick-backs to white middle class Christians is in jeopardy because there are other churches, other mosques, other synagagues and temples stepping up to the line to collect their share of the kickbacks, while the percentage of the population which is Pure White Protestant Christian is declining rapidly, and by mid-century the White Africaaners of America will be in the minority as they are a political minority even now.

The 46% who vote Republican are even more greedy and needy and stupid and vicious than the 47% who pay no income tax. In reality, of course, many of the.46% who vote Republican are not the bootstrapy, but the very needy and greedy who howl because there's a naturally born unentitled black man in the welfare line when they collect their own entitlement. In fact, most of the 47% are the grandparents, wives, college-bound sons and daughters of the bootstrapy. It is white people, "hard-working families" who collect most of the entitlements even though they will privately acknowledge that like Grandpa Simpson, they don't want the money, they don't need the money, but they'll raise Hell if even one payment is late.

Old age pensions, medicare, medicaid--all of these go to the bootstrapy even more than the needy. The white Christians are eager to pick up their government subsidies on top of their government tax exemptions on top of their government make-work projects and "charity" and so forth. They get way more money in their comfortably padded pews than the poor "community organizer" gets in the slums, even if the "community organizer" is the pastor of a large but needy congregation.

In short, double think, hypocrisy, egotism, selfishness, racism, bigotry and hatred, are the sacrements of the Bootstrapy Gun-Toting Jesus.

David Frum, as a Canadian is a moderate born and bred. Well, at least he is no Conrad Black. But even in his moderation he misses the point he is making, namely that the Democrats have no monopoly on sin and the Republicans no monopoly on bootstrapy.

But let us shout the Truth that he does latch on to: THE LINE BETWEEN MAKER AND TAKER IS NOT A RACIAL LINE.

It is also not a religious line, a sex line, a class line, an age line, a sexual orientation line, or a political line.

To quote The Economist, the Republicans are like terrorists. When they are out of office they attack government as a monstrous evil, but when they get into office they settle in and spend even more freely than Democrats.

The double-think is so thick that American conservatives don't even notice it, while even their opponents don't notice it. It's just so, "normal", that it is not perceived.

This is the supreme failing of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the whole American political system. The blind are leading the blind into a pit. David Frum, being an outsider (Canadian), can see some of the Beast that the Beast itself can not see. David Frum may be a conservative, but he is an old school, pre-Southern Take-Over conservative.

Well, Bless His Evil Little Soul, but he does see where the Romney campaign went wrong, where Republicans have been going wrong since, oh, let's say 1962 or so, and where the whole system is wrong.

You want the Truth? You can't handle the Truth!
 
2012-11-13 08:23:47 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


"The people who voted against the president aren't racist."

Let me laugh even harder.
 
2012-11-13 08:25:48 AM  
does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.
 
2012-11-13 08:26:25 AM  

ongbok: dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.

You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?


holy crap you guys are knockin the dust off some memories now....
 
2012-11-13 08:27:06 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.


www.coverbrowser.com

There are probably earlier versions of it, I'm sure...
 
2012-11-13 08:27:47 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)


That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.
 
2012-11-13 08:28:19 AM  

keylock71: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

[www.coverbrowser.com image 420x420]

There are probably earlier versions of it, I'm sure...


uhg...is that a children's book?
 
2012-11-13 08:29:10 AM  

Lunaville: neongoats: Look, they aren't EVER going to let go of the delusion that only white republicans have or want jobs.

I think what annoys me most about that delusion is the sheer number of people with that sort of view who don't have a job. Of course, it's always someone elses' fault: either women are taking the jobs for less pay, or affirmative action is giving all the jobs to "the blacks", or "illegals" are stealing all the jobs. Their unemployed status has nothing at all to do with them.


Yeah, precisely. In this particular delusion they are just temporarily embarrassed Atlases, kept from their righteously deserved riches, and correspondingly righteously deserved praise by the evil immigrants, furriners, turrists, and pantywaist liberals that took away their jerbs.

In actuality they are about as bootstrappy as Ayn Rand was.
 
2012-11-13 08:29:19 AM  

Kibbler: If some jackass wanted to keep calling you at 2 AM, you could take the phone off the hook.


The best part was that the person on the other end couldn't use his/her phone until you hung up yours. You could periodically go into the room with the phone and hear the faint sound of his/her shouting "Please! Please, hang up! I have to use this phone. I have more calls on my list to make." I wish we could do that today to those telemarketers who call over and over and over again. I'm looking at you ADT security systems.
 
2012-11-13 08:29:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.


You do realise that the US played a large part in deposing a democratically elected Iranian government in the late '70s and then sold chemical weapons to their Iraqi foes during the '80s, right? Right?
 
2012-11-13 08:29:55 AM  
Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.
 
2012-11-13 08:31:16 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


conservative or conservativetm
 
2012-11-13 08:31:23 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?


It is just the latest iteration of the stupid "Robin Hood", take-from-the-rich-and-give-to-the-poor, talking point they have been saying for 30+ farking years.
 
2012-11-13 08:31:42 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.

You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?


This is his job.
 
2012-11-13 08:32:38 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.


There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:14 AM  

keylock71: ...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.


Slamming the handset down is not recommended when you yourself own the handset.

Those old bakelite phones were built. Hand to hand weapon, recipient of abuse, slightly chipped case after years of child (and grownup) treatment....

And then one day they were all gone.


Anyone else ever set a ringer phone down on top of a 5 1/4" floppy disk? The phone ringer magnet was enough to scramble the data and render the disk useless.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:22 AM  

brantgoose: When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.


Racism exploited by the Republicans? That's preposterous. Let's ask the guy who worked as a campaign strategist to Reagan, both Bushs, and was Karl Rove's mentor - he'll clear things up...

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.

But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."
 
2012-11-13 08:33:37 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol
 
2012-11-13 08:34:36 AM  

max_pooper: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.


Once you vote black, you're never going back?
 
2012-11-13 08:34:56 AM  

ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.


then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:16 AM  
Well, let's not do that again.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:21 AM  
Ah, the good 'ol days.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:29 AM  

o5iiawah: Factual assertions challenging my preconceived worldview? The Moon really isn't the Sun at night?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When I read that out of context, conservative spin about Obama, I forwarded on in an email and then came on Fark to concern troll.


FTFEveryone else
 
2012-11-13 08:36:01 AM  

max_pooper: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.


totally agree...they're preaching to their own choir with their backs to everyone else....then when this obviously bad strategy fails they just tell the choir everyone else is a lazy thief. smooth.
 
2012-11-13 08:36:02 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


Citation please?
 
2012-11-13 08:36:14 AM  

UNC_Samurai: brantgoose: When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.

Racism exploited by the Republicans? That's preposterous. Let's ask the guy who worked as a campaign strategist to Reagan, both Bushs, and was Karl Rove's mentor - he'll clear things up...

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.

But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."


Lee Atwater, is that you?


I always liked the image of Atwater sequestering himself in a motel room in 1992, to try and catch up with the whole "youth demographic" he'd been behind on keeping up with. So he watched MTV alone in a motel for 3 days.

And died the following year of a brain aneurysm.
 
2012-11-13 08:36:47 AM  

unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol


No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.
 
2012-11-13 08:37:32 AM  
We also had segregation.
 
2012-11-13 08:37:48 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


but subsidizing oil,gas and coal companies is
 
2012-11-13 08:39:03 AM  
Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.
 
2012-11-13 08:40:06 AM  

Generation_D: I always liked the image of Atwater sequestering himself in a motel room in 1992, to try and catch up with the whole "youth demographic" he'd been behind on keeping up with. So he watched MTV alone in a motel for 3 days.

And died the following year of a brain aneurysm.


upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org 

He looks like he's trying to activate some form of laser-vision.

/will never understand how Ed Rollins created that sad sack of shiat
 
2012-11-13 08:40:30 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?


No, owning a phone was not illegal. Connecting an unauthorized phone to the phone system was. Actually, connecting anything to the phone system without authorization could get you in trouble, this included things like answering machines and computer modems. Before AT&T was broken up, if you wanted to connect to the internet (yes, it existed back then), or other computer systems, you needed an "Acoustic coupler". You would put your phone headset into spongy rings that had their own mic/speakers so that all communication would pass through air waves, and thus protect the phone system from any damage your device might cause.

The AT&T was also not a complete monopoly, there were a number of independent phone companies out there. They functioned by the same set of rules though.

The justification for the phone monopoly was that it was too expensive to run many phone lines to every house, so there was a "natural monopoly". This is the same reason why there are still monopolies on things like water/sewer service, cable TV, fire departments, roads, etc.

AT&T didn't start out as a monopoly, it started out with individuals signing contracts like libertarians think everything should be. It wasn't until AT&T grew so large that they had the natural monopoly and started abusing the position that the government stepped in and regulated it.

The idea of "you aren't buying your phone" is very much like the idea of "you aren't buying your DVD/music/software" and "you can't create your own generic medicine". The government is granting monopolies to certain corporations on the belief that such monopolies help society.
 
2012-11-13 08:40:52 AM  
Why do I care what an Israeli media shill has to say?
 
2012-11-13 08:41:09 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


Keep laughing. That's why you lost, and that's why you'll lose again.
 
2012-11-13 08:41:46 AM  

ongbok: dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.

You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?


Yep.
 
2012-11-13 08:42:58 AM  

unexplained bacon: Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.


He thinks Obama created TracFone to steal money from whites to give Obamaphones to minorities.

Of course, everyone I know with one is white, and, you know GWB's presidency started that.
 
2012-11-13 08:43:36 AM  
The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:25 AM  

Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.


It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:13 AM  

Generation_D: The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.


People keep saying the South will stay deep red like it's a sure thing. Not with ever growing numbers of latinos and blacks it isn't.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:50 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Yes, I believe, in my Mom's day, you "leased" it from Ma Bell.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.


I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.
 
2012-11-13 08:48:50 AM  

clkeagle: BarrRepublican: Look, I may be a RINO because I believe evolution is a thing and that men are likely warming the climate of the planet. But when did we get so far away from the conservative tenet of "If something does not work, return to the previous, working method."

You're really missing the whole "cherry picking" thing, aren't you?

See also: a lack of understanding of this concept when it comes to the modern GOP vs the modern Democratic Party:
[oi50.tinypic.com image 387x461]

Today's GOP blindly abhors every piece of watered-down conservative legislation that originates from someone with a D in front of their name. Rush Limbaugh's head would explode into thousands of oxycontin-soaked pieces if someone suggested an actual liberal policy. On anything.


I am totally stealing that graphic
 
2012-11-13 08:49:50 AM  

neongoats: unexplained bacon: Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.

He thinks Obama created TracFone to steal money from whites to give Obamaphones to minorities.

Of course, everyone I know with one is white, and, you know GWB's presidency started that.


and it's an extension of a program started under Reagan I believe...but yeah, Thanks Obama!

I know a few people with those phones...old white people. I'm glad they have 'em.
 
2012-11-13 08:49:52 AM  

keylock71: way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.

I feel bad for kids today... They'll never know the joy of nailing your best friend in the head with a rock while playing "War". My particular favorite was stink bomb wars with those nasty smelling fruit that fell from certain trees. Still don't know the actual name to this day. They'll always be "stink bombs" to me. : )


Ginkgo trees, probably. Check the wiki page for leaf shape, they are unique and should be easy to remember.
 
2012-11-13 08:51:15 AM  

Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)


Really? I never saw a declaration of war.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:13 AM  

Lunaville: Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.

It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.


But spending money on America is socialism. Useless, pointless foreign proxy- wars are patriotic and good.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:29 AM  

verbaltoxin: Generation_D: The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.

People keep saying the South will stay deep red like it's a sure thing. Not with ever growing numbers of latinos and blacks it isn't.


Maybe. Though the "use black people to scare others into voting" strategy has worked for 150 years now.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:58 AM  

unexplained bacon: UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.

I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.


Just for the record, here's a link to the speech...
Link
 
2012-11-13 08:53:10 AM  

verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.


Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.
 
2012-11-13 08:55:02 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Technically, owning a phone wasn't illegal, but actually hooking it up to the phone line was. You were only allowed to use the phone you leased from the phone company. It took the Supreme Court to change that.
 
2012-11-13 08:56:10 AM  

ghare: Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)

Really? I never saw a declaration of war.


Semantic hair splitting: refusing to call a war does not prevent the war from being a war. It just means our political leaders lack integrity. Also, we do have the patented and copyrighted War on Terror; all rights reserved.
 
2012-11-13 08:57:53 AM  

Crunch61: unexplained bacon: UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.

I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.

Just for the record, here's a link to the speech...
Link


cool, thanks...

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry.

"I don't want those jobs taking root in places like China, I want those jobs taking root in places like Pueblo," Obama told a crowd gathered for a campaign rally at the Palace of Agriculture at the Colorado State Fairgrounds here.


that son of a commie!!! truly histories greatest blah blah blah
 
2012-11-13 08:59:05 AM  

heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.


I'll do you one better: I remember these:

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-13 09:01:26 AM  

ghare: Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)

Really? I never saw a declaration of war.


Oh, you would have fit right in with the "it's a 'conflict' not a war!" people talking about Vietnam in the 60s.
 
2012-11-13 09:02:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

I'll do you one better: I remember these:

[i49.tinypic.com image 460x460]


yah, those were the natural to turn into a smoking device - the stupidity of smoking from an aluminum can was negated by the awesomeness of having a premade carb.
 
2012-11-13 09:02:14 AM  

Lunaville: Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.

It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.


Veterans have those benefits in the form of the GI Bill. The GI Bill pays for quite a bit, depending on whether you use the MGIB or Post 9/11 one. I know people who got out and went to college full time on Post 9/11. Aside from paperwork backlog they're quite happy with it. They've been able to go to class, take MCAT, GRE, licensure exams, and even get their pilot's license.

The issue is that vets frequently return to where they initially left for service, which are quite often America's rural sh*tholes, where there are no jobs. Veterans are also left with little guidance on how and where to apply and ensure they get VA benefits while they're still serving. Some might take a TAP class, but how well that is advertised and used varies based on unit and installation.

There's also the problem of veterans not paying attention to their NCO or CO's, "Keep all your f*cking paperwork!" mantras, that gets railed in their heads from day one sometimes, but they ignore because they think, "Oh I'm making $xxxx per month? This is so much money! I'm gonna go buy a new Camaro, get married to this civilian I've known for nine weeks, and get an Xbox 360!"

The military is rife with country bumpkins who experience making a steady paycheck for the first time, blow it and end up in debt. Then they get demoted and discharged for not paying their debt, and wind up on welfare after being discharged. They have spotty, at best, records for whatever supposed injury they may have suffered during service, so they get lost in the VA system for having bad records. Then they turn around, become Republicans, b*tch about all the welfare queens, and how the VA doesn't work because they didn't get their 20% disability, and they have three kids by two moms who require child support payments.

So every time I hear some veteran or conservative complain about the VA, I wonder if they're one of those who legitimately got screwed by faultiness and congestion in the VA system (Because there is, believe me, it's why the VFW and the American Legion still have a purpose today); or they're one of the many who didn't bother keeping copies of their medical and service records, and expect everything to magically work because they have a DD-214 and, "this is America, dammit!"

Naturally the conservative response to this has been to propose cuts to the VA (Thanks, Michelle Bachmann) and expand spending on the DOD.
 
2012-11-13 09:05:59 AM  
typical, the GOPers slide by to drop hints of the BS they heard in the echo chamber, but when asked to put up citations or even just discuss in their own words what they're accusing Obama of they're silent.

save it for the echo chamber fellas...remember to tell each other how sure a sweep in 2014 is.


/failed failures failing
 
2012-11-13 09:13:43 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Yes, they are.

Prior to the 1968 Carterfone decision it was illegal to connect anything to the phone network that was not owned by the phone company. The laugh-in jokes about the phone company weren't over the top - they were mildly understand. You rented that equipment, paid dearly for it, and liked it. Because they said so.

Seriously - they didn't have to care.
 
2012-11-13 09:16:23 AM  

Supes: verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.

Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.


1. Men created the male-only draft. It was created during a much more openly sexist time in American history, when gender roles were more binary, fixed and assumed.

2. A male-only draft assumes women aren't worthy or capable of being drafted. They have to stay home and care for the babies while men fight.

3. Military service grants benefits (Like ones I detailed above), and having a male-only draft ensures more men have access to them then women, in the event the draft is used.

4. A male-only draft assumes men to be more fit for service, and if the draft is used men are at greater risk for having their lives disrupted and being killed.

Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men. So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether. That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.
 
2012-11-13 09:21:39 AM  

neongoats:

Reality of course is a little different. Reality has a liberal bias, and the simple facts are that RedStates are welfare states, that by and large survive by the largess of productive blue states. Liberals and democrats and humanist libertarians all over America work and pay taxes so that back country white trash can live on welfare and food stamps and angrily decry minorities getting "obamaphones"(that were a bush administration invention).



Hold on. Isn't government spending higher in Southern states because of federal military spending? If the country is using state land it's only fair for the state to receive some sort of compensation. On the other hand; as someone who is from a rural area, I'm quite well aware of how expensive it is to get electricity, water, cable, Internet, etc. out to some secluded area. I guess I'd like to see the math on how statements like that before passing any sort of judgement.

America has problems that are far too complex for a simple Internet forum, but in my opinion, the main offenders are money, gods and lack of empathy.
 
2012-11-13 09:25:14 AM  

way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.


I just took my kid into a store the other day, and they had a little area for kids to play while parents shop. Among the toys was a broken old rotary phone. I felt so old.
 
2012-11-13 09:25:22 AM  

Muta: This article will go resonate in conservative circles about as well as a fart in church.


Depending upon the acoustics of the particular church, and the specific fart in question, "resonate" may not be the best word choice to convey your point. I would also avoid words like "reverberate" for similar reasons. Trust me. Don't ask.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:48 AM  
White people use more medicare?

thats the basis of the article?

White people live longer.....and your insurance kicks you to the curb when you reach qualifying age for medicare.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:56 AM  
Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.
 
2012-11-13 09:36:23 AM  

Giltric: your insurance kicks you to the curb when you reach qualifying age for medicare.


that's odd, why would they do that? it's almost like insuring old people isn't profitable and could never be taken up by the private sector.
 
2012-11-13 09:40:59 AM  

HellRaisingHoosier: neongoats:

Reality of course is a little different. Reality has a liberal bias, and the simple facts are that RedStates are welfare states, that by and large survive by the largess of productive blue states. Liberals and democrats and humanist libertarians all over America work and pay taxes so that back country white trash can live on welfare and food stamps and angrily decry minorities getting "obamaphones"(that were a bush administration invention).


Hold on. Isn't government spending higher in Southern states because of federal military spending? If the country is using state land it's only fair for the state to receive some sort of compensation. On the other hand; as someone who is from a rural area, I'm quite well aware of how expensive it is to get electricity, water, cable, Internet, etc. out to some secluded area. I guess I'd like to see the math on how statements like that before passing any sort of judgement.

America has problems that are far too complex for a simple Internet forum, but in my opinion, the main offenders are money, gods and lack of empathy.


What difference does it make if the benefit the state receives from the federal government is in the form of infrastructure built, defense contracts, NASA, or military bases? If the federal spending inside the boarders of the state are greater than the federal revenue collected within those boarders, the state is a net "moocher."

I'm not suggesting that all states be forced to be federally neutral, far from it. There are perfectly sound reasons why some states should be net contributors and some net receivers of federal spending. I just like to point out to the bootstrappy, mouthbreathing, GOP strongholds that complain about their hard earned, stolen, taxpayer money being wasted are in fact being huge hypocrites.

(I doubt any of that is grammatically correct. Common rules: I've long since forgotten them.)
 
2012-11-13 09:41:00 AM  

heap: dittybopper:

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.

yah, again, i think it's just one of those things you either have as a memory, or you missed out - we lived in an era where it was not only easy, but so very tempting to *kill somebody with a telephone*.

and the sonofabiatch would still work after you caved someones skull in with it.


ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.


Mine wasn't baby shiat green...

telephonelines.net

 
2012-11-13 09:47:36 AM  

nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.


What if you do that while masturbating?
 
2012-11-13 09:49:28 AM  

mrshowrules: nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.

What if you do that while masturbating?


then you're at a tea party rally.
 
2012-11-13 09:49:57 AM  

mrshowrules: nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.

What if you do that while masturbating?


You create a zombie kitten.
 
2012-11-13 10:03:13 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I just took my kid into a store the other day, and they had a little area for kids to play while parents shop. Among the toys was a broken old rotary phone. I felt so old.


Holy shiat! They couldn't find any rocks or hammers for the kids to play with?
 
2012-11-13 10:05:11 AM  

BarrRepublican: Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

Barack Obama, despite the gasbags' penchant to label thing communist, is the best Republican president in my lifetime. Period.


Hey look, a sane Republican. Where the the rest of you hiding?
 
2012-11-13 10:11:18 AM  
I had almost this exact conversation with my father. He said the word socialism when explaining to me his vote for Romney. He is 62, so he certainly remembers that era. I made a few comparisons between Obama and Nixon and Reagan, debunked a few misunderstandings about Obamacare and then he asked me why he'd never heard any of this before. My old man's definitely not an ideologue.

/csb
 
2012-11-13 10:12:40 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)


You do see a lot of feminists fighting to recognize women in combat. (There is currently a fiction that women do not enter the field of combat. This was never true in the 20th Century. Women flew supply plains, drove ambulances on the battle fields, and so on. Currently, women are armed soldiers who go out on patrol with their male counterparts.) My understanding is that most feminists who support women in combat also support women signing up for the selective service - but only after women are recognized as combatants.

Of course, there is also strain of feminism that is against war altogether. This group would like to see the selective service abolished entirely.
 
2012-11-13 10:15:22 AM  

BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-11-13 10:22:41 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

Ma Bell had the monopoly on the telephone system. They owned the phones, they owned the lines, they owned it all. If you had a working telephone, it was either owned by Ma Bell or stolen property. It was an absolute monopoly on our communications infrastructure. That's why you had a running skit on SNL with the punch line "what are you going to do, we're the phone company?".

The break up of Bell Telephone was a huge deal, how did you miss it?


And it was done by Ralph Nader not the republucans.
 
2012-11-13 10:26:47 AM  

Hydra: BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Are you kidding? You don't know they came up with the personal mandate?
 
2012-11-13 10:29:54 AM  

Hydra: BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Wiki;

An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care. From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health-care reform.[2][3] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique. Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:
If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[2]
 
2012-11-13 10:31:53 AM  
That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.
 
2012-11-13 10:35:16 AM  

Teufelaffe: heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

I'll do you one better: I remember these:

[i49.tinypic.com image 460x460]


The slug from the big hole was the exact size of a dime. My friends and me used to tear open empty can to get that slug and get gumballs out of the 10 cent gumball machines. I'm old.
 
2012-11-13 10:39:39 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.


I prefer John Frum.
 
2012-11-13 10:41:21 AM  

verbaltoxin: Supes: verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.

Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.

1. Men created the male-only draft. It was created during a much more openly sexist time in American history, when gender roles were more binary, fixed and assumed.

2. A male-only draft assumes women aren't worthy or capable of being drafted. They have to stay home and care for the babies while men fight.

3. Military service grants benefits (Like ones I detailed above), and having a male-only draft ensures more men have access to them then women, in the event the draft is used.

4. A male-only draft assumes men to be more fit for service, and if the draft is used men are at greater risk for having their lives disrupted and being killed.

Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men. So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether. That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.



it's pretty simple, women are much more valuable to the continuation of the species(or the tribe, nation, whatever). 1 man can do the work of many in this regard. 1 woman can not do the reproduction of 10 or 100 women. That's why we as a speices have tended to keep them out of harms way.
 
2012-11-13 10:49:39 AM  

SuperT: 1 woman can not do the reproduction of 10 or 100 women.


These ladies would like a word with you...

haveuheard.net


www.thehollywood5.com

 
2012-11-13 10:50:16 AM  
FTFA:
The government regulated "the commission on every purchase or sale of stock."

False. It was set by the New York Stock Exchange under a pricing scheme that was later deemed to be illegal price-fixing.
 
2012-11-13 10:53:36 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.


The GOP needs to gather up what sanity is left in their party and come up with a plan. Get Steele, Rubio, Christie, Frum, Stein, Krystol and anyone not a bloody evangelical or racist together in a room and get them to talking and soon or the party's dead.
 
2012-11-13 11:07:34 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


WHERE ARE THE JOBS, MR PRESIDENT?!? UNEMPLOYMENT IS SO HIGH!!!

YOU DAMN LAZY LIBERALS, GET A JOB ALREADY!!!!!
 
2012-11-13 11:43:05 AM  
Leave aside the obvious points about segregation and discrimination, and look only at the economy.

Because these things had no effect on the economy.
 
2012-11-13 11:50:25 AM  
Here's a story about a lady who leased a phone for over 40 years at the cost of $29.10 every three months
 
2012-11-13 11:51:09 AM  
 
2012-11-13 12:06:25 PM  
THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

www.whitetrashnyc.com
 
2012-11-13 12:21:02 PM  

verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.


I briefly recall that to be the case when gender equality in selective service was first raised by Carter but it seems to have fallen by the wayside once it was clear that women would not be required to register and therefore ceased to be a "women's issue". Now I will agree that some feminists argue against the draft but that is more a function of it being congruent with their personal anti-war stance rather than from a feminists / gender equality stance.
 
2012-11-13 12:35:30 PM  

eddiesocket: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

And these were the good ol' days the Republicans pine for. (Aka days that never ever existed).


Owning it wasn't. Connecting it to a Ma Bell line, however, was.
 
2012-11-13 12:46:17 PM  

verbaltoxin: Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men.


It seems that we're in agreement with respect to selective service registration being gender biased.

So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether.

This is where you lose me because I have literally never seen feminists agitate for selective service registration. A google search for "feminists against selective service" results in very few references to actual feminist agitation against this gender inequality. Getting rid of the draft appears to be more a function on congruence of the peace and feminist movements rather than it being a function of feminism alone.

That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

I absolutely agree, I was just pointing out one of the things I always found to be slightly irksome about selective service i.e. that registration is compulsory for men but not for women.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.

I have yet to see it on a sign at a slut walk. ;-)
 
2012-11-13 01:01:40 PM  

keylock71: ...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.


Hell, even dialing up the person you were going to biatch out was fun. SNAP-tic-tic-tic-tic... SNAP-tic-tic-tic-tic...etc for 7-9 digits. Dialing took just long enough that you had time to practice your verbal biatchslap. Finish it up by slamming the phone on the cradle, knowing it won't damage the phone, delivering a loud crash followed by an annoying dial tone -- and the person you called KNEW they had been dissed. Unlike the meek little silence that follows hanging up on somebody via a cell phone.

Hmm, now that I'm feeling all nostalgic, it might be nice to have a landline and tank phone around just for making those rare angry calls.
 
2012-11-13 01:24:27 PM  

theknuckler_33: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

Citation please?


Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

Hobodeluxe: but subsidizing oil,gas and coal companies is


What "subsidies" do oil and gas get? Thats right, this is a liberal myth. There are no subsidies, only deductions for equipment depreciation, failed exploration, expenses and other liabilities that every industry gets to write off against their profits. The Oil/energy industry pays a tremendous amount of money in taxes. If you can point to any Oil/petrol Solyndras that dont make or produce anything and rake in billions in government cheese, I'm all ears to hear about it.
 
2012-11-13 01:26:04 PM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


You're right. Some of us would like to get out of at-risk, white-trash neighborhoods by studying and bettering ourselves, and maybe providing lives for our younger relatives, who can't get out yet.

/F**k you. Seriously. F**k you.
 
2012-11-13 01:36:01 PM  

o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -


and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?
 
2012-11-13 01:58:08 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

This was my favourite. The handset weighed around 30 pounds if I recall. As a bonus, I think the cord was insulated with Asbestos. Truly a weapon of the ages.
 
2012-11-13 02:01:06 PM  

o5iiawah: What "subsidies" do oil and gas get? Thats right, this is a liberal myth. There are no subsidies, only deductions for equipment depreciation, failed exploration, expenses and other liabilities that every industry gets to write off against their profits.


The three largest Fossil Fuel subsidies in the US in 2009:

Foreign tax credit ($15.3 billion)
Credit for production of non-conventional fuels ($14.1 billion)
Oil and Gas exploration and development expenses ($7.1 billion)

Source (PDF)

Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.
 
2012-11-13 02:38:41 PM  

unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?


That the president's belief that there should be public ownership and state control of industry is the furthest thing from a "center-right" or republican/conservative position?

Teufelaffe: Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.


Thanks for proving my point. All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America. Oil and Gas development expenses are COSTS of business, they are usually DEDUCTED from the revenue of an overall business, thereby forming the tax LIABILITY of the unit. The Oil company then pays taxes on the earnings - costs.

If an oil company makes $60BN in profit and has $6Bn in expenses, it pays a tax liability on $54BN in income. It does not get $6BN in welfare.

Oil companies are simply an easy target for liberals who havent the slightest understanding of how economics or taxes work, makes for amusing reads however...
 
2012-11-13 03:23:39 PM  

o5iiawah: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Link

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry. -

and what exactly does that imply in your opinion?

don't want to come right out and say something stupid?

That the president's belief that there should be public ownership and state control of industry is the furthest thing from a "center-right" or republican/conservative position?

Teufelaffe: Just because you're too ignorant to be aware of something, doesn't make it a myth.

/And yes, a tax credit is a subsidy, so don't even try that pedantic BS.

Thanks for proving my point. All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America. Oil and Gas development expenses are COSTS of business, they are usually DEDUCTED from the revenue of an overall business, thereby forming the tax LIABILITY of the unit. The Oil company then pays taxes on the earnings - costs.

If an oil company makes $60BN in profit and has $6Bn in expenses, it pays a tax liability on $54BN in income. It does not get $6BN in welfare.

Oil companies are simply an easy target for liberals who havent the slightest understanding of how economics or taxes work, makes for amusing reads however...


tax credits are subsidies.

a rose by any other name.
 
2012-11-13 08:18:23 PM  

o5iiawah: All those expenses, subsidies, welfare, whatever buzzword you want to call them are afforded to any other business in America.


The federal and state governments offer oil & gas companies multiple tax credits and exemptions that no other industry receives or credits and exemptions that they shouldn't be receiving. Some examples:

Percentage depletion
Companies are generally allowed to deduct the costs of an investment over the life span of that investment. As the value of the investment depreciates, the deduction goes down. Oil companies on the other hand, get to use a special method for their deductions called "percentage depletion." Instead of deducting the costs of a well as its value declines, oil companies can deduct a flat percentage of the income they derive from it. Thus a gas or oil well's tax benefits do not depreciate over time, and the more profitable a well, the greater the tax benefit. No other industry is allowed to do this.

Domestic manufacturing deduction
Manufacturing companies were extended special deductions starting in 2004 for keeping manufacturing jobs in the US. The gas & oil companies managed to lobby enough to get included in these special deductions, even though they can't outsource most of their business since it depends on geographically fixed resources.

Immediate deductions for drilling costs
Whereas companies in every other industry have to spread their deductions for investments over the life of the investment, oil & gas companies can take immediate full deductions for some expenses involved in the building of oil and gas wells. No other industry is allowed to do this.

"Dual capacity taxpayer" rules
We allow companies that do business internationally to reduce from their tax bill for taxes paid to other governments. Oil companies get "dual capacity taxpayer" status, which allows them to claim tax reductions on royalty payments (which are not taxes) to other countries.

Seriously, if you think oil & gas companies aren't getting a totally sweet deal from the federal and state governments that is not being extended to other industries, you're completely clueless.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:35 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?

Yes, it was. Ma Bell owned the phone in your house, not you.


They were good phones, too. You could drop them 100 times and they wouldn't break.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:27 PM  

keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )


Hah. After we got our push button phone, we went out and shot BB guns and no one called the police.

//was really baffled by the * and # keys
 
2012-11-14 02:28:35 AM  

Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)


Actually that started with Carter in 1980.
 
2012-11-14 11:58:33 AM  

SuperT: tax credits are subsidies.

a rose by any other name.


Either way, you as the consumer/taxpayer end up shouldering the burden, either through higher taxes, or higher prices at the pump.
 
2012-11-15 06:34:35 PM  

dittybopper: But no, if you owned a phone, provided you didn't steal it (ie., walk off with TPC property that you were leasing), it wasn't illegal. You could even hook it up, it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.


Bell would demand to know where you got a phone that they didn't lease. Then they'd try to recover the phone. I believe they liberalized it and allowed the sale of phones later.

Bell had it's own security team for handling people using equipment in unauthorized ways. They'd often check to see how many phones a customer had. If they had more phones than they were paying for, expect to be disconnected.
 
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