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2012-11-13 08:40:30 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?


No, owning a phone was not illegal. Connecting an unauthorized phone to the phone system was. Actually, connecting anything to the phone system without authorization could get you in trouble, this included things like answering machines and computer modems. Before AT&T was broken up, if you wanted to connect to the internet (yes, it existed back then), or other computer systems, you needed an "Acoustic coupler". You would put your phone headset into spongy rings that had their own mic/speakers so that all communication would pass through air waves, and thus protect the phone system from any damage your device might cause.

The AT&T was also not a complete monopoly, there were a number of independent phone companies out there. They functioned by the same set of rules though.

The justification for the phone monopoly was that it was too expensive to run many phone lines to every house, so there was a "natural monopoly". This is the same reason why there are still monopolies on things like water/sewer service, cable TV, fire departments, roads, etc.

AT&T didn't start out as a monopoly, it started out with individuals signing contracts like libertarians think everything should be. It wasn't until AT&T grew so large that they had the natural monopoly and started abusing the position that the government stepped in and regulated it.

The idea of "you aren't buying your phone" is very much like the idea of "you aren't buying your DVD/music/software" and "you can't create your own generic medicine". The government is granting monopolies to certain corporations on the belief that such monopolies help society.
 
2012-11-13 08:40:52 AM  
Why do I care what an Israeli media shill has to say?
 
2012-11-13 08:41:09 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


Keep laughing. That's why you lost, and that's why you'll lose again.
 
2012-11-13 08:41:46 AM  

ongbok: dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.

You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?


Yep.
 
2012-11-13 08:42:58 AM  

unexplained bacon: Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.


He thinks Obama created TracFone to steal money from whites to give Obamaphones to minorities.

Of course, everyone I know with one is white, and, you know GWB's presidency started that.
 
2012-11-13 08:43:36 AM  
The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.
 
2012-11-13 08:46:25 AM  

Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.


It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:13 AM  

Generation_D: The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.


People keep saying the South will stay deep red like it's a sure thing. Not with ever growing numbers of latinos and blacks it isn't.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:50 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Yes, I believe, in my Mom's day, you "leased" it from Ma Bell.
 
2012-11-13 08:47:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.


I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.
 
2012-11-13 08:48:50 AM  

clkeagle: BarrRepublican: Look, I may be a RINO because I believe evolution is a thing and that men are likely warming the climate of the planet. But when did we get so far away from the conservative tenet of "If something does not work, return to the previous, working method."

You're really missing the whole "cherry picking" thing, aren't you?

See also: a lack of understanding of this concept when it comes to the modern GOP vs the modern Democratic Party:
[oi50.tinypic.com image 387x461]

Today's GOP blindly abhors every piece of watered-down conservative legislation that originates from someone with a D in front of their name. Rush Limbaugh's head would explode into thousands of oxycontin-soaked pieces if someone suggested an actual liberal policy. On anything.


I am totally stealing that graphic
 
2012-11-13 08:49:50 AM  

neongoats: unexplained bacon: Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.

He thinks Obama created TracFone to steal money from whites to give Obamaphones to minorities.

Of course, everyone I know with one is white, and, you know GWB's presidency started that.


and it's an extension of a program started under Reagan I believe...but yeah, Thanks Obama!

I know a few people with those phones...old white people. I'm glad they have 'em.
 
2012-11-13 08:49:52 AM  

keylock71: way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.

I feel bad for kids today... They'll never know the joy of nailing your best friend in the head with a rock while playing "War". My particular favorite was stink bomb wars with those nasty smelling fruit that fell from certain trees. Still don't know the actual name to this day. They'll always be "stink bombs" to me. : )


Ginkgo trees, probably. Check the wiki page for leaf shape, they are unique and should be easy to remember.
 
2012-11-13 08:51:15 AM  

Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)


Really? I never saw a declaration of war.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:13 AM  

Lunaville: Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.

It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.


But spending money on America is socialism. Useless, pointless foreign proxy- wars are patriotic and good.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:29 AM  

verbaltoxin: Generation_D: The Modern Republican Playbook

That worked up until 2008 for President, and is now starting to fail in local elections as well.

I would not be surprised if it still can succeed in the South, but as a national strategy it might be done now, finally.

People keep saying the South will stay deep red like it's a sure thing. Not with ever growing numbers of latinos and blacks it isn't.


Maybe. Though the "use black people to scare others into voting" strategy has worked for 150 years now.
 
2012-11-13 08:52:58 AM  

unexplained bacon: UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.

I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.


Just for the record, here's a link to the speech...
Link
 
2012-11-13 08:53:10 AM  

verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.


Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.
 
2012-11-13 08:55:02 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Technically, owning a phone wasn't illegal, but actually hooking it up to the phone line was. You were only allowed to use the phone you leased from the phone company. It took the Supreme Court to change that.
 
2012-11-13 08:56:10 AM  

ghare: Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)

Really? I never saw a declaration of war.


Semantic hair splitting: refusing to call a war does not prevent the war from being a war. It just means our political leaders lack integrity. Also, we do have the patented and copyrighted War on Terror; all rights reserved.
 
2012-11-13 08:57:53 AM  

Crunch61: unexplained bacon: UNC_Samurai: unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol

No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.

I agree, but I'm sure his angle would be more along the lines of "oh no!, Obama wants to socialize the auto industry!"
I bet if he did provide a link to his source it would be ridiculous.

Just for the record, here's a link to the speech...
Link


cool, thanks...

"I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back," he said. "Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry.

"I don't want those jobs taking root in places like China, I want those jobs taking root in places like Pueblo," Obama told a crowd gathered for a campaign rally at the Palace of Agriculture at the Colorado State Fairgrounds here.


that son of a commie!!! truly histories greatest blah blah blah
 
2012-11-13 08:59:05 AM  

heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.


I'll do you one better: I remember these:

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-13 09:01:26 AM  

ghare: Lunaville: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

At 18, I think a firm argument could be made that they are still boys, but yes, males are still required to register for the draft. Draft requirements have been in place since Reagan was in office. There was no peace time draft requirement prior to Reagans' tenure. (Yes, I'm aware that we currently are at war.)

Really? I never saw a declaration of war.


Oh, you would have fit right in with the "it's a 'conflict' not a war!" people talking about Vietnam in the 60s.
 
2012-11-13 09:02:07 AM  

Teufelaffe: heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

I'll do you one better: I remember these:

[i49.tinypic.com image 460x460]


yah, those were the natural to turn into a smoking device - the stupidity of smoking from an aluminum can was negated by the awesomeness of having a premade carb.
 
2012-11-13 09:02:14 AM  

Lunaville: Hobodeluxe: ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.

then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.

It amazes me the number of people that fail to realize that every dollar expended upon war is a dollar we have failed to invest in our domestic economy.

Lately, I've noticed there are folks in the press wringing their hands about the "down-sizing" of the wars and all those folks who will be coming home looking for a job. How twisted does a society have to be that war has become our replacement for, say, manufacturing?

We have some cracker-jack smart folks in the military. If you've got medics that have performed minor surgery in an open field, don't bring them home and tell them they aren't qualified to work as an LPN because they lack a piece of paper. Pay for those folks to take the MCAT. Pay their application fees to their local medical schools.Give them grants, not loans, for their medical education. Those that don't fare quite as well on the MCAT can train to be nurses or other medical personnel.

And medicine isn't the only area we could invest in. There are lots of ways we both boost our economy and our standard of living.


Veterans have those benefits in the form of the GI Bill. The GI Bill pays for quite a bit, depending on whether you use the MGIB or Post 9/11 one. I know people who got out and went to college full time on Post 9/11. Aside from paperwork backlog they're quite happy with it. They've been able to go to class, take MCAT, GRE, licensure exams, and even get their pilot's license.

The issue is that vets frequently return to where they initially left for service, which are quite often America's rural sh*tholes, where there are no jobs. Veterans are also left with little guidance on how and where to apply and ensure they get VA benefits while they're still serving. Some might take a TAP class, but how well that is advertised and used varies based on unit and installation.

There's also the problem of veterans not paying attention to their NCO or CO's, "Keep all your f*cking paperwork!" mantras, that gets railed in their heads from day one sometimes, but they ignore because they think, "Oh I'm making $xxxx per month? This is so much money! I'm gonna go buy a new Camaro, get married to this civilian I've known for nine weeks, and get an Xbox 360!"

The military is rife with country bumpkins who experience making a steady paycheck for the first time, blow it and end up in debt. Then they get demoted and discharged for not paying their debt, and wind up on welfare after being discharged. They have spotty, at best, records for whatever supposed injury they may have suffered during service, so they get lost in the VA system for having bad records. Then they turn around, become Republicans, b*tch about all the welfare queens, and how the VA doesn't work because they didn't get their 20% disability, and they have three kids by two moms who require child support payments.

So every time I hear some veteran or conservative complain about the VA, I wonder if they're one of those who legitimately got screwed by faultiness and congestion in the VA system (Because there is, believe me, it's why the VFW and the American Legion still have a purpose today); or they're one of the many who didn't bother keeping copies of their medical and service records, and expect everything to magically work because they have a DD-214 and, "this is America, dammit!"

Naturally the conservative response to this has been to propose cuts to the VA (Thanks, Michelle Bachmann) and expand spending on the DOD.
 
2012-11-13 09:05:59 AM  
typical, the GOPers slide by to drop hints of the BS they heard in the echo chamber, but when asked to put up citations or even just discuss in their own words what they're accusing Obama of they're silent.

save it for the echo chamber fellas...remember to tell each other how sure a sweep in 2014 is.


/failed failures failing
 
2012-11-13 09:13:43 AM  

BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

/youseriousclark.jpg?


Yes, they are.

Prior to the 1968 Carterfone decision it was illegal to connect anything to the phone network that was not owned by the phone company. The laugh-in jokes about the phone company weren't over the top - they were mildly understand. You rented that equipment, paid dearly for it, and liked it. Because they said so.

Seriously - they didn't have to care.
 
2012-11-13 09:16:23 AM  

Supes: verbaltoxin: Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)

That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.

Now that's an argument I've never heard before.

/do know feminists who argue for co-gender selective service registration
//no problem with the draft, but it should be limited to times of war, none of this Vietnam "conflict not a war" bullshiat. Call it a war when it is, damnit.


1. Men created the male-only draft. It was created during a much more openly sexist time in American history, when gender roles were more binary, fixed and assumed.

2. A male-only draft assumes women aren't worthy or capable of being drafted. They have to stay home and care for the babies while men fight.

3. Military service grants benefits (Like ones I detailed above), and having a male-only draft ensures more men have access to them then women, in the event the draft is used.

4. A male-only draft assumes men to be more fit for service, and if the draft is used men are at greater risk for having their lives disrupted and being killed.

Outcome: the male-only draft is both sexist and unfair towards both women and men. So feminists have argued for either a gender-neutral draft or getting rid of the draft altogether. That's because not all feminists agree on just what to do with the draft, for they are not the man-hating, unified bloc of feminazis conservatives make them out to be.

Regardless, there is a feminist argument for doing away with the draft.
 
2012-11-13 09:21:39 AM  

neongoats:

Reality of course is a little different. Reality has a liberal bias, and the simple facts are that RedStates are welfare states, that by and large survive by the largess of productive blue states. Liberals and democrats and humanist libertarians all over America work and pay taxes so that back country white trash can live on welfare and food stamps and angrily decry minorities getting "obamaphones"(that were a bush administration invention).



Hold on. Isn't government spending higher in Southern states because of federal military spending? If the country is using state land it's only fair for the state to receive some sort of compensation. On the other hand; as someone who is from a rural area, I'm quite well aware of how expensive it is to get electricity, water, cable, Internet, etc. out to some secluded area. I guess I'd like to see the math on how statements like that before passing any sort of judgement.

America has problems that are far too complex for a simple Internet forum, but in my opinion, the main offenders are money, gods and lack of empathy.
 
2012-11-13 09:25:14 AM  

way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.


I just took my kid into a store the other day, and they had a little area for kids to play while parents shop. Among the toys was a broken old rotary phone. I felt so old.
 
2012-11-13 09:25:22 AM  

Muta: This article will go resonate in conservative circles about as well as a fart in church.


Depending upon the acoustics of the particular church, and the specific fart in question, "resonate" may not be the best word choice to convey your point. I would also avoid words like "reverberate" for similar reasons. Trust me. Don't ask.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:48 AM  
White people use more medicare?

thats the basis of the article?

White people live longer.....and your insurance kicks you to the curb when you reach qualifying age for medicare.
 
2012-11-13 09:30:56 AM  
Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.
 
2012-11-13 09:36:23 AM  

Giltric: your insurance kicks you to the curb when you reach qualifying age for medicare.


that's odd, why would they do that? it's almost like insuring old people isn't profitable and could never be taken up by the private sector.
 
2012-11-13 09:40:59 AM  

HellRaisingHoosier: neongoats:

Reality of course is a little different. Reality has a liberal bias, and the simple facts are that RedStates are welfare states, that by and large survive by the largess of productive blue states. Liberals and democrats and humanist libertarians all over America work and pay taxes so that back country white trash can live on welfare and food stamps and angrily decry minorities getting "obamaphones"(that were a bush administration invention).


Hold on. Isn't government spending higher in Southern states because of federal military spending? If the country is using state land it's only fair for the state to receive some sort of compensation. On the other hand; as someone who is from a rural area, I'm quite well aware of how expensive it is to get electricity, water, cable, Internet, etc. out to some secluded area. I guess I'd like to see the math on how statements like that before passing any sort of judgement.

America has problems that are far too complex for a simple Internet forum, but in my opinion, the main offenders are money, gods and lack of empathy.


What difference does it make if the benefit the state receives from the federal government is in the form of infrastructure built, defense contracts, NASA, or military bases? If the federal spending inside the boarders of the state are greater than the federal revenue collected within those boarders, the state is a net "moocher."

I'm not suggesting that all states be forced to be federally neutral, far from it. There are perfectly sound reasons why some states should be net contributors and some net receivers of federal spending. I just like to point out to the bootstrappy, mouthbreathing, GOP strongholds that complain about their hard earned, stolen, taxpayer money being wasted are in fact being huge hypocrites.

(I doubt any of that is grammatically correct. Common rules: I've long since forgotten them.)
 
2012-11-13 09:41:00 AM  

heap: dittybopper:

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.

yah, again, i think it's just one of those things you either have as a memory, or you missed out - we lived in an era where it was not only easy, but so very tempting to *kill somebody with a telephone*.

and the sonofabiatch would still work after you caved someones skull in with it.


ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.


Mine wasn't baby shiat green...

telephonelines.net
 
2012-11-13 09:47:36 AM  

nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.


What if you do that while masturbating?
 
2012-11-13 09:49:28 AM  

mrshowrules: nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.

What if you do that while masturbating?


then you're at a tea party rally.
 
2012-11-13 09:49:57 AM  

mrshowrules: nmemkha: Every time someone calls Obama a socialist, God kills a kitten.

What if you do that while masturbating?


You create a zombie kitten.
 
2012-11-13 10:03:13 AM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: I just took my kid into a store the other day, and they had a little area for kids to play while parents shop. Among the toys was a broken old rotary phone. I felt so old.


Holy shiat! They couldn't find any rocks or hammers for the kids to play with?
 
2012-11-13 10:05:11 AM  

BarrRepublican: Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

Barack Obama, despite the gasbags' penchant to label thing communist, is the best Republican president in my lifetime. Period.


Hey look, a sane Republican. Where the the rest of you hiding?
 
2012-11-13 10:11:18 AM  
I had almost this exact conversation with my father. He said the word socialism when explaining to me his vote for Romney. He is 62, so he certainly remembers that era. I made a few comparisons between Obama and Nixon and Reagan, debunked a few misunderstandings about Obamacare and then he asked me why he'd never heard any of this before. My old man's definitely not an ideologue.

/csb
 
2012-11-13 10:12:40 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)


You do see a lot of feminists fighting to recognize women in combat. (There is currently a fiction that women do not enter the field of combat. This was never true in the 20th Century. Women flew supply plains, drove ambulances on the battle fields, and so on. Currently, women are armed soldiers who go out on patrol with their male counterparts.) My understanding is that most feminists who support women in combat also support women signing up for the selective service - but only after women are recognized as combatants.

Of course, there is also strain of feminism that is against war altogether. This group would like to see the selective service abolished entirely.
 
2012-11-13 10:15:22 AM  

BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-11-13 10:22:41 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: BarrRepublican: Owning a telephone was illegal?

Ma Bell had the monopoly on the telephone system. They owned the phones, they owned the lines, they owned it all. If you had a working telephone, it was either owned by Ma Bell or stolen property. It was an absolute monopoly on our communications infrastructure. That's why you had a running skit on SNL with the punch line "what are you going to do, we're the phone company?".

The break up of Bell Telephone was a huge deal, how did you miss it?


And it was done by Ralph Nader not the republucans.
 
2012-11-13 10:26:47 AM  

Hydra: BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Are you kidding? You don't know they came up with the personal mandate?
 
2012-11-13 10:29:54 AM  

Hydra: BarrRepublican: I understand the sentiment, hell
Obamacare is a heritage foundation product.

[imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]


Wiki;

An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care. From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health-care reform.[2][3] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique. Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:
If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.[2]
 
2012-11-13 10:31:53 AM  
That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.
 
2012-11-13 10:35:16 AM  

Teufelaffe: heap: i think the memory of the 'bakelight harvest gold/baby-shiat green telephone with the rotary dial and the 500 foot long cord' is one of those indicators of age, kind of like remembering beer cans that had pull tabs.

I'll do you one better: I remember these:

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The slug from the big hole was the exact size of a dime. My friends and me used to tear open empty can to get that slug and get gumballs out of the 10 cent gumball machines. I'm old.
 
2012-11-13 10:39:39 AM  

Mr_Fabulous: That was an outstanding piece of political commentary. Possibly the best I've read this year, considering how brief and to-the-point it was.

David Frum is the only Republican who makes sense anymore. Period.


I prefer John Frum.
 
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