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2012-11-13 08:04:47 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?
 
2012-11-13 08:05:08 AM  
Then later the phone company allowed you to "buy" the phone, however they still owned the inside, you owned just the outside.
Of course, they made this clear to the consumer (not)
 
2012-11-13 08:07:52 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.

You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?


He is working. This is his job.
 
2012-11-13 08:07:59 AM  

neongoats: Look, they aren't EVER going to let go of the delusion that only white republicans have or want jobs.


I think what annoys me most about that delusion is the sheer number of people with that sort of view who don't have a job. Of course, it's always someone elses' fault: either women are taking the jobs for less pay, or affirmative action is giving all the jobs to "the blacks", or "illegals" are stealing all the jobs. Their unemployed status has nothing at all to do with them.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:02 AM  
Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:22 AM  
Did anybody else have black market phones at their house?

Muta: This article will go resonate in conservative circles about as well as a fart in church.


Well, as you can see a few comments prior to yours, one reaction will be to put their fingers in their ears.
 
2012-11-13 08:08:52 AM  
The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.
 
2012-11-13 08:09:28 AM  

ArcadianRefugee: dittybopper: it's just that TPC wouldn't fix it.

*Which they didn't often do, because they were built like a friggin' electronic tank.


Remember all those old movies in which people used the table-top models as freaking weapons? Guy breaks in, resident grabs phone, and THWACK! upside the head.

I'm not trying that with my RAZR.


Oh man, those Ma Bell phones were amazingly solid. I have no idea what you would have to do to them to break them. Now it's like you have to replace your phone every two years or something. I blame Obama.
 
2012-11-13 08:11:31 AM  

heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.


Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )
 
2012-11-13 08:11:41 AM  
And, when modems came along, they had to have a documented "ringer-equivalent". You could only connected a limited number of devices to your home phone wiring and those that weren't owned by Ma Bell had to be registered with Ma Bell. There was a reasonable reason for this rule, though. Back in the day, connecting too many devices could create too much draw on the line and phones wouldn't ring if someone called.
 
2012-11-13 08:14:04 AM  

RubberBandMan: Then later the phone company allowed you to "buy" the phone, however they still owned the inside, you owned just the outside.
Of course, they made this clear to the consumer (not)


I remember walking to the At&T facility to buy a phone. They were still, mostly, rotary dial models. The lowest priced model was basic phone that came in black or beige. It was the defend yourself against an intruder style referenced up-thread. I splurged an extra ten dollars on a little red phone that was almost triangle like. It was the most stylish object in my apartment.
 
2012-11-13 08:15:22 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


le'me guess...you were told they just want free stuff?

yeah, hey, didn't those same people tell you Mitt was ahead in the polls? how hard did you laugh at that?

/Obama voter who works hard, pays taxes, owns a home, and is tired of GOPers crying about the lack of interest in their terrible ideas.
//I know it's everyone else's fault, they're moochers. Keep telling yourself that as you watch the country move right on past you.
 
2012-11-13 08:15:57 AM  

Lunaville: Gulper Eel: RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.

Without excusing the violence committed over the years by Iran, we can acknowledge that the United States committed grave offenses against the sovereignty of Iran and against the Iranian people for many decades before factions of that society turned to asshattedness. Perhaps, they should have sought a non-violent means of protesting U.S. interference in their affairs, but their failure to seek a path to peaceful resistance does not negate the role of the USA in our past conflicts.


STOP APOLOGIZING FOR 'MURICA!
 
2012-11-13 08:17:24 AM  
...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.
 
2012-11-13 08:19:22 AM  

keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )


I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.
 
2012-11-13 08:19:39 AM  
The only sensible thing to conclude from TFA is that David Frum is obviously a flaming libby lib who is an atheist who sucks dicks, performs abortions in his spare time and wants free stuff.
 
2012-11-13 08:23:09 AM  

Kibbler: we had a party line


My mothers' entire family was on the same party line. We rarely dialed one another. We picked up the receiver and said "Are you there? Hello! Are you there?" I remember picking up the phone every time I walked through the living room just in case one of my cousins might be on the line saying "Hello, are you there?"
 
2012-11-13 08:23:19 AM  

dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.


You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?
 
2012-11-13 08:23:36 AM  

way south: keylock71: heap: ok, it was babyshiat green, and nobody really missed anything if they don't have that memory, but...i need some kind of salve for the indications that i'm an old fart, and i'll take what i can get.

Don't feel alone, my fellow old fark (I prefer that term), I remember how excited I was when we upgraded to a push button phone from the rotary model. It was quite an exciting day... Then I went outside and played with rocks and sticks with my friends. : )

I almost forgot about rotary dialing.
I remember when I got a pulse dialing phone for my room. It was awesome!

/We also had sticks.
/but We had to share the rock with the entire platoon.


I feel bad for kids today... They'll never know the joy of nailing your best friend in the head with a rock while playing "War". My particular favorite was stink bomb wars with those nasty smelling fruit that fell from certain trees. Still don't know the actual name to this day. They'll always be "stink bombs" to me. : )
 
2012-11-13 08:23:39 AM  
The line between "making" and "taking" is not a racial line. The biggest government program we have, Medicare, benefits a population that is 85% white.

When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.

Even today, the GOP is the party of choice of those who would apply a religious (Fundamentalist Protestant Christian) and a racial (White) litmus test to voting, to holding office, to "entitlements", and to full membership (Real Americanism) in American politics and society.

This is the Party of Jim Crow.

What they did was take the racist South's convinction that blacks are immoral, stupid, lazy monkeys who have to be beaten and coerced into work and metastasized it to apply to any whites who oppose them, which means Democrats and liberals and non-fundamentalist Christians (until recently Jews and Roman Catholics were "the Enemy" although the change of heart on abortion and the furor over gay rights and marriage have brought many of the Neo-Con Roman Catholics and Jews under the "Movement"'s sway, not to mention the Deification of the State of Israel by fundamentalists who anticipate it's destruction and the conversion of the Jews as part of their End Times and the Triumph of their own brand of Christianity in this world and the next.

In the double-think which has come to dominate the Republican Party and the Conservatives and the Movementaryans, black equals slack and white equals might and right. Thus, they promote a narrative in which all Democrats, all liberals, all non-whites, all non conservatives, non-fundamentalists, are undermining America, Right Religion, the World, Work, the Economy, etc.

They are takers. We are makers. Arbeit macht frei.

This ideology (hypocritical and counter-factual as it is) underlies policy ("right to work legislation), tactics and strategy ("voter fraud" equals vote supression for partisan advantage and to disenfrancise the hated minorities, starting with non-whites, and proceeding on to all "enemy" groups such as the poor, liberals, Democrats, women, college students, the urban masses, etc.).

But as David Frum points out from his more traditional Republican, old world Conservative, point of view, this is simply untrue.

Most of the benefits of the "entitlements" go to whites not only because they are more numerous (for now) but because the entitlements are skewed towards the more prosperous members of the middle classes (who do most of the vote, campaigning and donating) rather than to the people who need help most.

Frum is right that 85% of the money goes to whites, but he neglects to point out that blacks alone are 12% of the population, Asians another 3%, then there are Hispanics, native Americans, women, etc.

The system is skewed to give to the self-style "makers" while not giving enough to the so-called "takers" who are the whole point of welfare, healthcare, education and so forth--the people who need help meetng basic physical and other needs because they are too poor to pay for costly treatments and high-priced schools (and the bad schools are often more costly than the best schools--you can pay way more to go to Dickwad University than Harvard, where the tuition and scholarships are better balanced).

Every furious Replublican, even those who are not consciously racist, regards the Democrat as a natural born N***** and since the real N****** are voting Democratic at a rate up to 95% or even more in some districts, the equation holds subconsciously even when the conscious mind abhors it.

And now the whole system of kick-backs to white middle class Christians is in jeopardy because there are other churches, other mosques, other synagagues and temples stepping up to the line to collect their share of the kickbacks, while the percentage of the population which is Pure White Protestant Christian is declining rapidly, and by mid-century the White Africaaners of America will be in the minority as they are a political minority even now.

The 46% who vote Republican are even more greedy and needy and stupid and vicious than the 47% who pay no income tax. In reality, of course, many of the.46% who vote Republican are not the bootstrapy, but the very needy and greedy who howl because there's a naturally born unentitled black man in the welfare line when they collect their own entitlement. In fact, most of the 47% are the grandparents, wives, college-bound sons and daughters of the bootstrapy. It is white people, "hard-working families" who collect most of the entitlements even though they will privately acknowledge that like Grandpa Simpson, they don't want the money, they don't need the money, but they'll raise Hell if even one payment is late.

Old age pensions, medicare, medicaid--all of these go to the bootstrapy even more than the needy. The white Christians are eager to pick up their government subsidies on top of their government tax exemptions on top of their government make-work projects and "charity" and so forth. They get way more money in their comfortably padded pews than the poor "community organizer" gets in the slums, even if the "community organizer" is the pastor of a large but needy congregation.

In short, double think, hypocrisy, egotism, selfishness, racism, bigotry and hatred, are the sacrements of the Bootstrapy Gun-Toting Jesus.

David Frum, as a Canadian is a moderate born and bred. Well, at least he is no Conrad Black. But even in his moderation he misses the point he is making, namely that the Democrats have no monopoly on sin and the Republicans no monopoly on bootstrapy.

But let us shout the Truth that he does latch on to: THE LINE BETWEEN MAKER AND TAKER IS NOT A RACIAL LINE.

It is also not a religious line, a sex line, a class line, an age line, a sexual orientation line, or a political line.

To quote The Economist, the Republicans are like terrorists. When they are out of office they attack government as a monstrous evil, but when they get into office they settle in and spend even more freely than Democrats.

The double-think is so thick that American conservatives don't even notice it, while even their opponents don't notice it. It's just so, "normal", that it is not perceived.

This is the supreme failing of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party, and the whole American political system. The blind are leading the blind into a pit. David Frum, being an outsider (Canadian), can see some of the Beast that the Beast itself can not see. David Frum may be a conservative, but he is an old school, pre-Southern Take-Over conservative.

Well, Bless His Evil Little Soul, but he does see where the Romney campaign went wrong, where Republicans have been going wrong since, oh, let's say 1962 or so, and where the whole system is wrong.

You want the Truth? You can't handle the Truth!
 
2012-11-13 08:23:47 AM  

randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.


"The people who voted against the president aren't racist."

Let me laugh even harder.
 
2012-11-13 08:25:48 AM  
does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.
 
2012-11-13 08:26:25 AM  

ongbok: dittybopper: Heh.

Another thing youngsters don't appreciate is the monopoly that AT&T had on the phone system. It spawned some wonderful satire like "The President's Analyst" and that double episode of "WKRP" with the terrorists. Oh, and of course, Lily Tomlin's "Ernestine" character.

You mean when the "Phone Cops" were after Johnny Fever?


holy crap you guys are knockin the dust off some memories now....
 
2012-11-13 08:27:06 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.


www.coverbrowser.com

There are probably earlier versions of it, I'm sure...
 
2012-11-13 08:27:47 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Don't all men still have to register for the draft?

It's called "selective service" now but yeah.

Odd that you don't see too many feminists fighting to get their names on that list. ;)


That's because feminists argue for doing away with the draft entirely.
 
2012-11-13 08:28:19 AM  

keylock71: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

[www.coverbrowser.com image 420x420]

There are probably earlier versions of it, I'm sure...


uhg...is that a children's book?
 
2012-11-13 08:29:10 AM  

Lunaville: neongoats: Look, they aren't EVER going to let go of the delusion that only white republicans have or want jobs.

I think what annoys me most about that delusion is the sheer number of people with that sort of view who don't have a job. Of course, it's always someone elses' fault: either women are taking the jobs for less pay, or affirmative action is giving all the jobs to "the blacks", or "illegals" are stealing all the jobs. Their unemployed status has nothing at all to do with them.


Yeah, precisely. In this particular delusion they are just temporarily embarrassed Atlases, kept from their righteously deserved riches, and correspondingly righteously deserved praise by the evil immigrants, furriners, turrists, and pantywaist liberals that took away their jerbs.

In actuality they are about as bootstrappy as Ayn Rand was.
 
2012-11-13 08:29:19 AM  

Kibbler: If some jackass wanted to keep calling you at 2 AM, you could take the phone off the hook.


The best part was that the person on the other end couldn't use his/her phone until you hung up yours. You could periodically go into the room with the phone and hear the faint sound of his/her shouting "Please! Please, hang up! I have to use this phone. I have more calls on my list to make." I wish we could do that today to those telemarketers who call over and over and over again. I'm looking at you ADT security systems.
 
2012-11-13 08:29:34 AM  

Gulper Eel: RoyBatty: Did David Frum ever apologize for putting Iran in the axis of evil a few weeks after they offered sympathy and help to us after 9/11?

Because a transparently self-serving gesture totally makes up for 30 years of general asshattedness.


You do realise that the US played a large part in deposing a democratically elected Iranian government in the late '70s and then sold chemical weapons to their Iraqi foes during the '80s, right? Right?
 
2012-11-13 08:29:55 AM  
Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.
 
2012-11-13 08:31:16 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


conservative or conservativetm
 
2012-11-13 08:31:23 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?


It is just the latest iteration of the stupid "Robin Hood", take-from-the-rich-and-give-to-the-poor, talking point they have been saying for 30+ farking years.
 
2012-11-13 08:31:42 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: randomjsa: The president was re-elected by people who want to work -- and who were convinced, rightly or wrongly, that the president's policies were more likely to create work than were the policies advocated by my party.

Let me laugh even harder.

You're on Fark throughout the workday. Why aren't you working?


This is his job.
 
2012-11-13 08:32:38 AM  

unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.


There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:14 AM  

keylock71: ...Also, these days hanging the phone up on someone after telling them off just doesn't have the same power that it did with the old rotary phones.


Slamming the handset down is not recommended when you yourself own the handset.

Those old bakelite phones were built. Hand to hand weapon, recipient of abuse, slightly chipped case after years of child (and grownup) treatment....

And then one day they were all gone.


Anyone else ever set a ringer phone down on top of a 5 1/4" floppy disk? The phone ringer magnet was enough to scramble the data and render the disk useless.
 
2012-11-13 08:33:22 AM  

brantgoose: When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.


Racism exploited by the Republicans? That's preposterous. Let's ask the guy who worked as a campaign strategist to Reagan, both Bushs, and was Karl Rove's mentor - he'll clear things up...

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.

But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."
 
2012-11-13 08:33:37 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol
 
2012-11-13 08:34:36 AM  

max_pooper: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.


Once you vote black, you're never going back?
 
2012-11-13 08:34:56 AM  

ChuDogg: The national debt was also about 250 billion in today's dollars.

No, not deficit, total debt.


then the military industrial complex took over. Vietnam,The Cold War,Arms Race etc. It bankrupted the USSR trying to keep up with us and fight in Afghanistan. but hey between that and the Reagan Tax cuts we were well on our way to borrowing our way into a hole. Clinton stabilized it and then along comes Shrub and the neocons. Free money! Free wars! Free medicare part D! Houses for everybody! We'll let the next guy worry about it.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:16 AM  
Well, let's not do that again.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:21 AM  
Ah, the good 'ol days.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:29 AM  

o5iiawah: Factual assertions challenging my preconceived worldview? The Moon really isn't the Sun at night?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When I read that out of context, conservative spin about Obama, I forwarded on in an email and then came on Fark to concern troll.


FTFEveryone else
 
2012-11-13 08:36:01 AM  

max_pooper: unexplained bacon: does anyone know exactly where this, "they just want free stuff" BS originated?

I know it's an old theme, but it's certainly become the new mantra on the right...who made that happen?

Did Obama actually do anything to the social safety net that would make the righties blame him for everything from people on food stamps to reaganphones?

/seems to me that after the 2nd great depression brought on by 8 years of GOP ideas, an increase in people using the social safety net wouldn't be so shocking...yet.

There is no basis in reality for this belief. It was a yarn spun by the GOP to secure the poor redneck, racist mouthbreather vote and the "persecuted" middle class, white, racist christian vote. Not really sure why they try so hard to covet that vote. They alienated a lot of people trying to get secure votes from people who were never going to vote for the black.


totally agree...they're preaching to their own choir with their backs to everyone else....then when this obviously bad strategy fails they just tell the choir everyone else is a lazy thief. smooth.
 
2012-11-13 08:36:02 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


Citation please?
 
2012-11-13 08:36:14 AM  

UNC_Samurai: brantgoose: When Nixon successfully adopted his "Southern Strategy", which was to win over Southern crackers, racists, and loonies to the Republican party (which was a progressive, educated middle class, Northern party in the days of Lincoln) he took over an ideology which was alien to genuine conservatism and to genuine progress: racism.

Racism exploited by the Republicans? That's preposterous. Let's ask the guy who worked as a campaign strategist to Reagan, both Bushs, and was Karl Rove's mentor - he'll clear things up...

You start out in 1954 by saying, "N*****, n*****, n*****." By 1968 you can't say "n*****" - that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now, you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that.

But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me - because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N*****, n*****."


Lee Atwater, is that you?


I always liked the image of Atwater sequestering himself in a motel room in 1992, to try and catch up with the whole "youth demographic" he'd been behind on keeping up with. So he watched MTV alone in a motel for 3 days.

And died the following year of a brain aneurysm.
 
2012-11-13 08:36:47 AM  

unexplained bacon: o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.

share a link to where you got your info on this wouldja?

did these same guys tell you a Mitt win was coming too? lol


No, he's right. Obama is interested in keeping manufacturing jobs in America instead of moving them overseas in search of slave cheap labor. Based on what I've seen of conservatives lately, I'd say there is a distinct difference there.
 
2012-11-13 08:37:32 AM  
We also had segregation.
 
2012-11-13 08:37:48 AM  

o5iiawah: Today's democratic party being center-right? Obama a republican?

Thanks fark for starting my day off well.


When Obama spoke recently to a GM plant and asserted that he wants to do to all manufacturing what he did with GM, that is not the work of any conservative I know.


but subsidizing oil,gas and coal companies is
 
2012-11-13 08:39:03 AM  
Hey maybe some righty could help me out....

where do you get the idea that Obama is playing to people who want free stuff?
has he made any radical changes to the social safety net that has existed through R and D admins alike?

you all love to assert that Obama won because people want free stuff...explain yourself...

looking at you o5iiawah and randomjsa...any righty will do, let me in on the story.
 
2012-11-13 08:40:06 AM  

Generation_D: I always liked the image of Atwater sequestering himself in a motel room in 1992, to try and catch up with the whole "youth demographic" he'd been behind on keeping up with. So he watched MTV alone in a motel for 3 days.

And died the following year of a brain aneurysm.


upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org 

He looks like he's trying to activate some form of laser-vision.

/will never understand how Ed Rollins created that sad sack of shiat
 
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