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(Bleacher Report)   Synonyms for Fanatic: enthusiast, zealot, bigot, hothead, militant. Definition for Fanatic: marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense uncritical devotion. Hmm. There are more Tebow Fanatics than I thought   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 21
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2012-11-13 09:20:45 AM
It's weird, because whoever wrote this is an anti-Tebow fanatic.

Eric Crouch, college: in his BEST year he passed for 1500 yards.
Tim Tebow passed for 2700+ in every year he was a starter. To say that they ran comparable offenses is beyond retarded.

And you kind of have to agree that the Jets might as well start Tebow because Sanchez has thrown one TD pass (in the fourth quarter against Miami when they were already down 27-3 in the fourth quarter) in the last two games. Sanchez is hitting on a cool 52% of his passes. So even Tebow's biggest negative, his 47% completion rate, isn't much of a downgrade.
 
2012-11-13 09:31:35 AM

IAmRight: It's weird, because whoever wrote this is an anti-Tebow fanatic.

Eric Crouch, college: in his BEST year he passed for 1500 yards.
Tim Tebow passed for 2700+ in every year he was a starter. To say that they ran comparable offenses is beyond retarded.

And you kind of have to agree that the Jets might as well start Tebow because Sanchez has thrown one TD pass (in the fourth quarter against Miami when they were already down 27-3 in the fourth quarter) in the last two games. Sanchez is hitting on a cool 52% of his passes. So even Tebow's biggest negative, his 47% completion rate, isn't much of a downgrade.


You realize that 5% downgrade in pass completion could result in another turnover to the other team, and an additional 7 points against the Jets, right?

Your argument is, "Well the Jets suck so they should do something to make them suck 5% more."
 
2012-11-13 09:50:01 AM

verbaltoxin: You realize that 5% downgrade in pass completion could result in another turnover to the other team, and an additional 7 points against the Jets, right?


Incompletions aren't interceptions.

Oh, and again, it's not like the Jets' defense has a problem giving up points on their own. They've given up 29, 30, and 28 points in their last three games.
 
2012-11-13 10:03:06 AM
I can't stand Tebow either, but basing any "Tebow is NOT an NFL-caliber QB" argument around the fact that Eric Crouch and Tommie Frazier weren't either is laughably retarded.

I could just as easily say that Matt Barkley won't be a top-flight starting QB in the NFL because David Klingler wasn't, and that random, completely dissimilar comparison would be just as relevant as the ones made in that article.
 
2012-11-13 10:18:48 AM

Killer Cars: I can't stand Tebow either, but basing any "Tebow is NOT an NFL-caliber QB" argument around the fact that Eric Crouch and Tommie Frazier weren't either is laughably retarded.

I could just as easily say that Matt Barkley won't be a top-flight starting QB in the NFL because David Klingler wasn't, and that random, completely dissimilar comparison would be just as relevant as the ones made in that article.


WTF? Stop. You take your"making sense" BS and get out of here. This is FARK,
 
2012-11-13 10:32:35 AM
Tebow is garbage, and he'll get the chance to prove that after one more Jets loss under Sanchez. Then we can move on to Tebow fans still insisting he still hasn't gotten a chance to perform, and following him to the next team that won't start him as QB either.
 
2012-11-13 10:33:45 AM
bigot?
 
2012-11-13 10:34:17 AM
the idea being the jets are going to be pretty damn dismal regardless of who they start at QB

- sanchize gives you a better shot at a high draft pick because he is consistantly mediocre (and lets not pretend their are many offensive weapons on that team).

- tebow has a very WIDE range from dazzling (playoff win vs pit) to just oh so god awful loss @ home vs the chiefs to wrap up the year (6 of 20 for 60 yards 0 tds 1 pick) that the broncos could have used to assure a playoff spot as opposed to backing in
 
2012-11-13 10:34:32 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Then we can move on to Tebow fans still insisting he still hasn't gotten a chance to perform, and following him to the next team that won't start him as QB either.


IMO it's way more fun when he sucks but somehow wins every week.

/that's because I'm not dumb enough to watch First Take or any of the ESPN "programming"
 
2012-11-13 10:35:02 AM
Sanchez is ranked 33rd in pass comp. there are 32 teams...

You already spent money and picks on tebow and the season is lost anyways....so why not?
 
2012-11-13 10:43:26 AM

verbaltoxin: You realize that 5% downgrade in pass completion could result in another turnover to the other team, and an additional 7 points against the Jets, right?

Your argument is, "Well the Jets suck so they should do something to make them suck 5% more."


Well, sure. They suck enough, they can maybe get a good quarterback in the draft.
 
2012-11-13 11:01:04 AM

Killer Cars: I can't stand Tebow either, but basing any "Tebow is NOT an NFL-caliber QB" argument around the fact that Eric Crouch and Tommie Frazier weren't either is laughably retarded.


I dunno. It made sense to me (minus Frazier being the best college football player of this generation). Crouch and Frazier were great college players whose games didn't translate into the NFL. Same goes for Tebow. NFL D-linemen and linebackers are too big and fast to just run it up the gut without excellent O-line support. And Tebow's passing game at Florida was based on gimmicks like jump passes and the fact that he had guys like Percy Harvin getting open to the tune of 10 yards or more. If you watched his games at Florida carefully you would have seen receivers getting completely wide open and then having to massively adjust their routes to compensate for Tebow's inaccurate arm. That works in college but not in the NFL.
 
2012-11-13 11:09:18 AM

iamskibibitz: I dunno. It made sense to me (minus Frazier being the best college football player of this generation).


Minus comparing offenses wherein the QBs ran more than they threw to Florida's offense, minus the fact if you COMBINED Crouch's and Frazier's top passing season for each, they STILL didn't post as many yards as Tebow did in his sophomore year (and barely edged out his Jr/Sr year).

You can't call one side deluded and misguided when you're out here comparing Florida's offense to '90s Nebraska offenses.

/yes, Florida had more talent at WR...which is part of the reason they didn't run the same (or even similar) offenses to those Nebraska teams
//Eric Crouch passing TD: 28. Eric Crouch INTs: 25. Tim Tebow passing TD: 88. Tim Tebow INT: 16.
///Tommy Frazier had similar number of INTs to Tebow (13) but half as many TD (44). Crouch is nowhere NEAR the same vicinity in college performance.
 
2012-11-13 11:15:44 AM
Eric Crouch completed 51 percent of his passes in COLLEGE. Crouch's college numbers are Tebow-in-the-NFL-esque. Good f*cking lord.

QB A: 312/606, 51.5%, 4481 yds, 7.4 YPA, 29 TD, 25 INT
QB B: 661/995, 66.4%, 9285 yds, 9.3 YPA, 88 TD, 16 INT

QB A: 648 rushes, 3434 yds, 5.3 YPC, 59 TD
QB B: 692 rushes, 2942 yds, 4.3 YPC, 57 TD

So hey, QB A got 500 more rushing yards and 2 more rushing TDs in his career! Clearly that makes him a better passer in college than the guy with the completion percentage 15 points above his, double his passing yardage, 3x as many passing TDs, and about half the INTs.
 
2012-11-13 11:56:40 AM
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2012-11-13 12:10:33 PM

iamskibibitz: If you watched his games at Florida carefully you would have seen receivers getting completely wide open and then having to massively adjust their routes to compensate for Tebow's inaccurate arm. That works in college but not in the NFL.


Agreed, but as IAmRight posted, Florida's offense was still light years different than Nebraska's in philosophy and schemes. The other unspoken variable is that you can take 10 identical QBs in terms of their physical size and tools, and schemes they ran in college, put them in the NFL, and you'll see variance in just how well (or poorly) those 10 QBs will do in the next level. Every one of those 10 will have different aptitudes when it comes learning a "new" offense and learning NFL defensive schemes. Everyone's learning curve is different.

As a random aside, Eric Crouch probably had better "passing mechanics" than Tebow, only because Tebow has the longest windup and most awkward footwork in the pocket the world has ever seen.
 
2012-11-13 12:24:20 PM
The most important part that is lost in this argument is this: regardless of how Tebow does, more and more attention is being granted to the Jets and in this scenario, we all lose. New York teams do not, DO NOT need more press.
 
2012-11-13 01:22:30 PM

Killer Cars: iamskibibitz: If you watched his games at Florida carefully you would have seen receivers getting completely wide open and then having to massively adjust their routes to compensate for Tebow's inaccurate arm. That works in college but not in the NFL.

Agreed, but as IAmRight posted, Florida's offense was still light years different than Nebraska's in philosophy and schemes. The other unspoken variable is that you can take 10 identical QBs in terms of their physical size and tools, and schemes they ran in college, put them in the NFL, and you'll see variance in just how well (or poorly) those 10 QBs will do in the next level. Every one of those 10 will have different aptitudes when it comes learning a "new" offense and learning NFL defensive schemes. Everyone's learning curve is different.


Yep. Also, let's face it, a QB's NFL fate is most often sealed by the talent surrounding him. Imagine how David Carr would have turned out if he wasn't thumped on like an anvil and didn't end up getting an up-close look at blades of grass every time he dropped back in the early days of the Texans. It's also not like Sanchez has any tools to work with, either.
 
2012-11-13 01:23:27 PM
*well, how Carr might have turned out, not "would have."
 
2012-11-13 04:04:45 PM
This just leaves one question for Tebow fans: if Tim Tebow were to have a thought, would it be considered a Christian Ponder?
 
2012-11-14 01:05:34 AM
The beauty of Tebow switching to another position-like fullback-is that it would enable the team to keep him on the field more often than if he were a backup quarterback.

That's what I don't get about how teams use Tebow. I'd have him as my back on passing downs every time, since you don't know which guy would be throwing the football, plus he has the running ability to make him a great check-down option. I'd have a ton of plays where Tebow and Sanchez line up standing shoulder to shoulder and you'd have no idea who's getting snapped the ball.
 
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