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2012-11-13 12:21:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.

That's true. But that's my point. The cop may be an asshole. He probably is being an asshole. But if you can be polite and not go to jail WHY are you choosing the alternative? What are you going to get out of the encounter, except an arrest record? You are going to get zero life points for treating the cop like an asshole back while you're getting cuffed and thrown into the back of his cruiser, and even if the arrest is bogus (like this one was) and you are not charged, guess what? You still have an arrest record and that will never go away.

Which is fine if you plan never to have a job that requires you to disclose if you have ever been arrested (as opposed to convicted); or if you never need a new apartment that runs a background check, or have a credit check run, or get a traffic ticket again. Trust me, I got arrested in 1986, long before records were computerized, and I was never charged (and hence never convicted) and that thing still causes me issues. And I'm a white middle-aged female with no other negative cop interactions. I'd hate to be a young black male nowadays with a couple of minor arrests--so tell me again why mouthing off to a dick cop and turning a minor harassment into a misdemeanor arrest is so much more important than shutting up for a minute or two, letting the cop win the cock-sparring contest, and walking away free?


Perhaps this guy's criminal and credit records are already hosed, he can't get a job, and he has nothing to lose by mouthing off to a cop except the freedom to sleep under a bush with an empty stomach. Do you find it hard to believe that a homeless person might be in such circumstances?
 
2012-11-13 12:22:01 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?


you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?
 
2012-11-13 12:22:11 AM  
Wow subby believes in unconditional anarchy. Must be one of those "small-l" libertarians.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:11 AM  

Philbb: [imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Seconded. I've only ever been asked about felonies.


Doesn't really matter what they ask anyway.

They'll have your name and SSN, and pretty much all businesses of any size run background checks. That will show up any conviction, infraction, arrest, or conviction.

Aside from arrest records, I've seen applications that specifically ask about traffic convictions such as speeding tickets.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:13 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?


Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.


So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.
 
2012-11-13 12:23:59 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?

you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?


I work at a college.
 
2012-11-13 12:24:02 AM  

Wrencher: Oh...and for those who don't know... the "Obama Phone" program started sometime in the'90s.


2000s under Bush II. Previously it was a program to get landlines to rural people started under RR. Dubya made the switch to cell phones for poor people or "manaraties" as ObamaPhoneLady says it
 
2012-11-13 12:24:33 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


You should have been on your bike.

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2012-11-13 12:25:39 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?

you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?

I work at a college.


and you get constantly harassed? For what? Are they harassing everyone walking down the street or just you? Honestly interested in what this scenario is because it sounds like a terrible use of manpower
 
2012-11-13 12:26:10 AM  

Glendale: You should have been on your bike.


Good plan, but they'd probably remove that scene in the Director's Cut.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:11 AM  

sethen320: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker because it's so ...


Ironically, an overpass or camp in the woods is probably a far nicer place than any apartment which could be rented for $100.

Begging CAN be lucrative. Women with the young homeless waif look and a good act can easily draw $60/hr at a good corner. The older guys probably draw like $10/hr.

But one thing's for sure, they're in the city because the city offers things. Begging on streetcorners is their job, their bread-and-butter. Surely they could set up a similar camp 10 miles outside of town where they'd bother no one and no cops would harass them, but that's not gonna work because they need the handouts from cast-off items, cast-off food, and of course the begging cash.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:22 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

...

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.

So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.


Wow, damn near the same thing happened to me when I was sixteen, except it was only two Officers/guns.

And someone had been stabbed in the same parking lot the night before. I guess they were waiting for me to return to the scene.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:58 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.


So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.


damn, straight outta Toronto. Crazy motherfarker named L-Wolf
 
2012-11-13 12:28:12 AM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win


Unless you can turn it into a story. Sometimes civil disobedience happens accidentally. Sometimes it's as simple as not moving to the back of the bus.
 
2012-11-13 12:29:48 AM  

C_Canuk: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.

Truer words never spoken.

Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.


Big difference. Removing your phone from a charger is many magnitudes less severe than what you're suggesting...
 
2012-11-13 12:30:26 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?


I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.
 
2012-11-13 12:30:30 AM  

HoratioGates: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win

Unless you can turn it into a story. Sometimes civil disobedience happens accidentally. Sometimes it's as simple as not moving to the back of the bus.


Sounds like a really boring Tom Hanks movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:14 AM  
Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.
Check this out:
Link
 
2012-11-13 12:32:10 AM  

sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.


Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye
 
2012-11-13 12:32:20 AM  
I have no idea why but they single me out. It's crazy.
 
2012-11-13 12:32:47 AM  

Tman144: I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.


I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.

Pretty soon, they recognize the car and you're screwed.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:51 AM  

fnordfocus: I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.


Rather, Lavenderwolf.

Attribution is hard.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:57 AM  

fnordfocus: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

...

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.

So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.

Wow, damn near the same thing happened to me when I was sixteen, except it was only two Officers/guns.

And someone had been stabbed in the same parking lot the night before. I guess they were waiting for me to return to the scene.


Obviously, you should stop stabbing people all the time, and you won't get harassed as much.
 
2012-11-13 12:34:32 AM  

LavenderWolf: I have no idea why but they single me out. It's crazy.


maybe it's the Free Mumia! shirt?
 
2012-11-13 12:35:37 AM  

Tman144: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.


Nope, average height and slim build, no obvious tattoos (wolf paw on my back is covered by any shirt), no "gang colours" as I generally wear brown and grey. Short hair. In short I look like the ideal working class Joe.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:14 AM  

fnordfocus: Tman144: I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.

I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.

Pretty soon, they recognize the car and you're screwed.


Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:43 AM  

cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.


I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?
 
2012-11-13 12:37:28 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye

Awkward Thanksgiving.


FARK you mom, pass the potatoes please
 
2012-11-13 12:37:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Obviously, you should stop stabbing people all the time, and you won't get harassed as much.


Funny thing is, they let me go because I didn't have a record, so I was obviously innocent.

But that detention means I now have a record, so if I get stopped again I'm considered guilty.
 
2012-11-13 12:38:17 AM  

Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.


lying partisan coont...
 
2012-11-13 12:39:43 AM  
What a LavenderWolf might look like

www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2012-11-13 12:40:34 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye

Awkward Thanksgiving.

FARK you mom, pass the potatoes please

And then you promptly stuff them and whatever else is in front ogf you in your pockets.


the gravy can get kinda gross
 
2012-11-13 12:41:08 AM  

whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?


but where do they charge them if they are homeless?
 
2012-11-13 12:41:21 AM  
Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because police will fark with people in emotionally volatile situations. Why should police bother de-escalating a situation when they can get a perfectly good arrest. 

Hell, it isn't their job to deal with people, they deal with the law.
 
2012-11-13 12:42:22 AM  

LavenderWolf: Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.


Then you're either not white enough, not straight enough, look like someone who once dated an Officer's ex-wife, or are that asshole who wasted their time by not being guilty enough the last time they stopped you.
 
2012-11-13 12:42:34 AM  

sethen320: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?

The park, silly!


their Escalade's cigarette lighter?
 
2012-11-13 12:44:52 AM  

LavenderWolf: Tman144: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.

Nope, average height and slim build, no obvious tattoos (wolf paw on my back is covered by any shirt), no "gang colours" as I generally wear brown and grey. Short hair. In short I look like the ideal working class Joe.


This is quite the mystery. Did you sleep with a cop's daughter years ago? Maybe they have your picture down at the station and they play a game called "Who can get away with harassing this random guy the most." Like the "Meow" game from Super Troopers, but, you know, with you, instead of Jim Gaffigan.
 
2012-11-13 12:47:43 AM  

fnordfocus: LavenderWolf: Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.

Then you're either not white enough, not straight enough, look like someone who once dated an Officer's ex-wife, or are that asshole who wasted their time by not being guilty enough the last time they stopped you.


Or just happened to look over your shoulder at them. If you look at them wrong, or just twice, your guilty of something.
 
2012-11-13 12:47:57 AM  

skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like


Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe
 
2012-11-13 12:51:43 AM  
Basically, police farked up. Police should partner with shelters, rehab centers, VA & etc.., to help (when encountering homeless) to get them to a shelter and keep them safe. It's better to have a good relationship with homeless rather than charge them and give them free meals down at the local pokey (which is going to cost tax payers a lot more).

Problem for homeless are those deviants that commit crimes. Like someone posted in an image -- it's a shame to have vacant buildings and homeless.
 
2012-11-13 12:53:42 AM  

sethen320: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

That's actually pretty funny. Your dental hygiene seems to be better though.


Yeah I don't look my best right now but hardly "arrest this obvious deviant" levels.
 
2012-11-13 12:56:16 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?

The park, silly!

their Escalade's cigarette lighter?

Only if they have a USB adapter. Those things are expensive!!!


not anymore. Ussain Soetoro Barack adapters are free in the Obamanation
 
2012-11-13 12:57:07 AM  

LavenderWolf: sethen320: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

That's actually pretty funny. Your dental hygiene seems to be better though.

Yeah I don't look my best right now but hardly "arrest this obvious deviant" levels.


yeah you don't look like you should be a target. Certainly not like that Aqualung guy I posted before
 
2012-11-13 01:00:34 AM  
alright, it's been fun but it's time for wee skullkrushers to sleep. sethen320, you're on call to bail out LavenderWolf if need be until I get up

night kids
 
2012-11-13 01:02:17 AM  
A trap? As in finding a male plug when you're expecting a female outlet?
 
2012-11-13 01:02:25 AM  

skullkrusher: alright, it's been fun but it's time for wee skullkrushers to sleep. sethen320, you're on call to bail out LavenderWolf if need be until I get up

night kids


I love you.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:31 AM  

Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.


Supposedly, a buck would get you two years of charging from dead to full power, once per day, every day.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410954,00.asp

(although with either phone in the "study", you should be able to charge less often than that with light to moderate usage. And of course, utility costs will vary by location and time of year; the rate used is supposedly the national average for the US from June 2012.)
 
2012-11-13 01:04:50 AM  

gibbon1: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

In a perfect world the Judge would solemnly listen to both sides of the case and then toss the cop in jail for contempt. There is actually a common law concept which is the court doesn't bother with trifling things.


Common law....how quaint. We're under Roman-style Civil Procedure now, though.
 
2012-11-13 01:13:42 AM  

Lunaville: Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.

Yes, I have an elderly relative who receives $620 per month in disability. Her monthly probation payment is $330 per month. She is supposed to support herself on the remainder. As a felon, she does not qualify for most government housing.


Why the fark did she break the law and not steal enough?
 
2012-11-13 01:16:33 AM  
LavenderWolf

Dilly Dilly
 
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