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(Herald Tribune (SW Florida))   You might think that electrical outlet next to a picnic table in the park is there for public use. Think again. It's a trap   (heraldtribune.com) divider line 265
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2012-11-12 09:09:41 PM  
Caught drinking from a public water fountain? You better believe that a taserin'.
 
2012-11-12 09:38:02 PM  
The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?
 
2012-11-12 09:41:39 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-12 10:12:53 PM  
It is not difficult for homeless advocates to point out that people with money are treated differently by city officials: for those able to afford an electric car, Sarasota offers free electrical power at vehicle charging stations throughout the city, including one at City Hall.

Fark you, Sarasota. Oh, and the police report pretty clearly indicates that the homeless guy got charged because he told the cop to "find something better to do". Once again, a citizen is charged with Contempt of Cop. At least this time it didn't involve aggravated assault or murder.

/damn 95% of bad cops making the 5% look bad
 
2012-11-12 10:18:17 PM  
So, let me get this straight. The city is willing to charge your electric car for free but you better not charge your phone and be homeless. What a sad place.
 
2012-11-12 10:24:07 PM  
Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.
 
2012-11-12 10:29:40 PM  
I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.
 
2012-11-12 10:36:01 PM  

This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.


He wasn't so much mouthing off to a cop as mouthing off to a douchebag. That's practically a national sport these days.
 
2012-11-12 10:37:01 PM  

This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.


I think it's closely related to mouthing off to an asshole when one gets in your face.
 
2012-11-12 10:41:10 PM  
Why won't those homeless people just go away?

/don't they have anything better to do?
 
2012-11-12 10:44:06 PM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.
 
2012-11-12 10:50:56 PM  
OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.
 
2012-11-12 10:52:28 PM  
And use the preview button fer chrissake.
 
2012-11-12 10:59:22 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.


Why on earth would anyone want a problem?
 
2012-11-12 10:59:50 PM  
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Because jackass just doesn't cover it.
 
2012-11-12 11:00:50 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Why won't those homeless people just go away?

/don't they have anything better to do?


they all need to go home!
 
2012-11-12 11:01:52 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole


Sorry, you lost me there. Too far fetched. Try to be more reasonable and realistic next time.
 
2012-11-12 11:02:27 PM  

SnarfVader: So, let me get this straight. The city is willing to charge your electric car for free but you better not charge your phone and be homeless. What a sad place.


Because you're not a productive member of society when charging your car....that has 20 pounds of weed in the trunk.
 
2012-11-12 11:02:36 PM  
If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.
 
2012-11-12 11:04:09 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.


Truer words never spoken.

Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.
 
2012-11-12 11:05:18 PM  
"theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

When things get better, knock yourself out. Hook straight into the 600V mains, run a car wash from a fire hydrant. But until things improve don't you dare take one single kilowatt-second from the city.
 
2012-11-12 11:05:38 PM  

Carlip: Caught drinking from a public water fountain? You better believe that a taserin'.


That's the best taserin'. The minerals in the water really help conduct the electricity.
 
2012-11-12 11:06:58 PM  

HotWingAgenda: BarkingUnicorn: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.

Why on earth would anyone want a problem?


To get paid. A job is just someone else's problem that he'll pay you to solve.
 
2012-11-12 11:07:23 PM  
In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

Oh what the fark ever, Sgt. A-Hole. Perhaps you should unplug that coffee pot at the station. No one was using it, and it just sucks up taxpayer-paid city utilities.

Go bark up another tree. You busted a guy with no home or money. Well aren't you goddamn special.
 
2012-11-12 11:07:41 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Once again, a citizen is charged with Contempt of Cop. At least this time it didn't involve aggravated assault or murder.


Didn't yet.

I imagine the Sergeant won't be very happy the charges were dismissed. Let me know if Mr. Kersey is still alive in a few weeks.
 
2012-11-12 11:09:14 PM  

This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.


I don't understand this seemingly irresistible urge to lie down belly-up every time a city-sanctioned bully throws his weight around.
 
2012-11-12 11:10:53 PM  

Smingleigh: If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.


static.flickr.com

Hollywood discovered that if you are helpful towards the homeless, they start congregating in your parks. Word travels fast.
 
2012-11-12 11:11:47 PM  

Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.


Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.
 
2012-11-12 11:11:58 PM  

C_Canuk: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.

Truer words never spoken.

Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.


Pick your battles. Before you're argue with a cop, ask yourself: is this the hill a want to die on?

Phone charging, no.

Wife raping, yes.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:02 PM  
farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-11-12 11:12:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: HotWingAgenda: BarkingUnicorn: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.

Why on earth would anyone want a problem?

To get paid. A job is just someone else's problem that he'll pay you to solve.


Ah, but that's a mutual solution (need labor, give money), not person A just dumping all her issues on person B to solve for her.
 
2012-11-12 11:12:35 PM  

Smingleigh: If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.


i566.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-12 11:13:35 PM  

C_Canuk: Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.



Yeah, fight that fight. But so long as the officer is not held personally accountable in situations like this, people will do the cost/benefit and realize it's usually better to stfu and do whatever they're told. So in all seriousness, how does that get changed?
 
2012-11-12 11:13:38 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

Oh what the fark ever, Sgt. A-Hole. Perhaps you should unplug that coffee pot at the station. No one was using it, and it just sucks up taxpayer-paid city utilities.

Go bark up another tree. You busted a guy with no home or money. Well aren't you goddamn special.


Enough money to pay for phone service it seems.
 
2012-11-12 11:14:39 PM  
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4 pages about charging a cell phone? No thanks..
 
2012-11-12 11:14:47 PM  

Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.


Probably pretty close.

A typical basic phone, like most prepaid ones that a homeless man might have, use 1/400th of a kilowatt/hour per charge. And a kilowatts/hour costs about ten cents. The officer wasted more money in gas stopping his car than the homeless guy would have cost the city in a month of charging.
 
2012-11-12 11:15:14 PM  
Dear retards at the city: If you don't want people using outlets, don't put them out in public. You can't go and put one out in the open in a public park and then say it isn't public. Either disconnect and remove the outlet, or just deal with the hundred-ish dollars a year it costs you to operate it.
 
2012-11-12 11:15:21 PM  

Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.


In a perfect world the Judge would solemnly listen to both sides of the case and then toss the cop in jail for contempt. There is actually a common law concept which is the court doesn't bother with trifling things.
 
2012-11-12 11:15:45 PM  

HotWingAgenda: BarkingUnicorn: HotWingAgenda: BarkingUnicorn: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.

Why on earth would anyone want a problem?

To get paid. A job is just someone else's problem that he'll pay you to solve.

Ah, but that's a mutual solution (need labor, give money), not person A just dumping all her issues on person B to solve for her.


And this woman's having a hard time finding such a mutual solution. Either there's no one available to take her problem and her money, or her problem is bigger than her money.
 
2012-11-12 11:16:20 PM  
I just had a multi million dollar product idea. Thanks Fark!
 
2012-11-12 11:17:03 PM  
In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

"During this bad economy" must be the new "In this post 9/11 world".
 
2012-11-12 11:17:17 PM  
i.imm.io
 
2012-11-12 11:17:40 PM  
When I left south Florida, the mayor of Tampa was arresting people feeding the homeless, and arresting the homeless for being in public parks, where the people were feeding the homeless. She also shut down all the soup kitchens.

I would describe Pam Iorio as a "coont".
 
2012-11-12 11:18:05 PM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.
 
2012-11-12 11:18:57 PM  
So the gummint will buy you a cell phone, because it's a modern necessity because of the death of the public phone. However, they'll lock you up if you charge it. I wonder if they lock up picnickers who use that outlet to power their boom box? As others have pointed out, the cost of the arrest itself (much less incarceration) exceeded the cost of the electricity. I hope ACLU forces this city to make public outlets available to everyone to charge portable devices at multiple points throughout the city, to promote public safety. And more than a few more at the airport.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:06 PM  

sparkeyjames: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

I think it's closely related to mouthing off to an asshole when one gets in your face.


You know who else enjoys shouting at assholes?

seoulbeats.com
 
2012-11-12 11:19:37 PM  
Dear Subby,

Stupid cops + Florida = Florida tag.
 
2012-11-12 11:19:41 PM  

Smingleigh: If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.


First the homeless, then the hippies, then the conservatives, and before you know it the terrorists will be powering terrorist weapons in our public parks!
 
2012-11-12 11:20:00 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.


You read "Arrest Proof Yourself" too, I see.
 
2012-11-12 11:20:57 PM  

Oznog: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.


If you own a Tesla, you can charge it free at the city hall.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:33 PM  
maybe it was an ObamaPhone!

Seriously, sounds like this a-hole cop got a paycut because of declining tax revenues related to reduced property values, and wants to project that anger onto liberals, democrats, homeless ne'r-do-wells, and immigrants. (or as he probably refers to them in at cop poker night as "dirty Mexicans"). 

Here's a hint, chief, the problem isn't the homeless stealing half a cent of power, it's the rich a-holes stealing millions and you are to stupid and obsequious to figure out you're fighting the wrong battle.
 
2012-11-12 11:22:46 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.


Your argument misses one key point, not everyone considers going to jail as a bad thing.

He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.
 
2012-11-12 11:23:19 PM  
This About That

I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

You explain white knighting these law breaking bullies and I'll explain the mouthing off.
 
2012-11-12 11:26:58 PM  
In Davis, Ca. they have (had?) prominent "No Loitering" signs posted by the picnic tables/bbq area in the so-called "Community Park". That one always made me shake my head...
 
2012-11-12 11:27:11 PM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


This is America, we don't allow socialism here. Especially since Romney won the election (assuming you only count votes from Real Americans.)
 
2012-11-12 11:27:11 PM  
Darren Kersey, 28, was charged with theft of utilities after Sarasota Police Sgt. Anthony Frangioni spotted him charging his phone at about 9:20 p.m. Sunday. Unable to come up with the $500 bail for the misdemeanor, Kersey had no choice but to stay in jail.

In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy." Frangioni also told Kersey that he should charge his phone at local shelters, according to the report.


/Hello..morans? It will cost the city thousands of dollars to house and feed this person, vs. the 20 cents it probably cost to charge his phone on a outlet nobody was using. Are you farking stupid? Jesus Christ, who is in charge of the idiot who ordered this person arrested? Why not just figure out how much it cost to charge his phone....(not much I'm guessing) and bill him for that? Sighs..stupid is as stupid does.
 
2012-11-12 11:27:15 PM  

Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.


Yes, I have an elderly relative who receives $620 per month in disability. Her monthly probation payment is $330 per month. She is supposed to support herself on the remainder. As a felon, she does not qualify for most government housing.
 
2012-11-12 11:27:25 PM  

Oznog: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.


...and it had cost the city literally 10000X as much in tax payer money just for the douchebag cop to spend an hour or so of his time and the gas he took to travel to arrest the homeless guy.
 
2012-11-12 11:27:47 PM  

Maktaka: sparkeyjames: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

I think it's closely related to mouthing off to an asshole when one gets in your face.

You know who else enjoys shouting at assholes?

[seoulbeats.com image 471x316]


My god sir, bravo I say. Bravo!!!
 
2012-11-12 11:27:50 PM  
A homeless man spent the night in jail Sunday after police arrested him for charging his cellphone in a public picnic shelter

Well, look on the bright side: he now has a roof over his head and free meals!

Is incarceration really cheaper than letting him use the fricking outlet?
 
2012-11-12 11:28:07 PM  

Philbb: He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.


Having a misdemeanor on your record, or even an arrest nowadays, pretty much guarantees he will never be able to leave a life of homelessness.

It will disqualify him from shelters, public assistance, and nearly all jobs.
 
2012-11-12 11:28:35 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.


You never closed your first paren, so I kept reading your paragraph and waiting for you to get back to a main point. Very frustrating.
 
2012-11-12 11:28:36 PM  

Smingleigh: If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.


You jest, but the boat issue actually came up in Sarasota recently. We have a small public bay where many "boat people" (think homeless people with shiatty little boats) moor their vessels. The city was trying to charge exorbitant mooring fees to rid themselves of the undesirables.

The city also took all the benches out of a popular public park because people in a nearby condo complained that homeless people were using the benches.

Sarasota, both the city and the elderly retirees, farking hate poor people.
 
2012-11-12 11:28:56 PM  
Phone charged and place to sleep but did he get breakfast?
 
2012-11-12 11:31:23 PM  
I wonder how much it costs the city to process, photograph, book, and house the guy overnight in the local jail. Compared to the few cents of electricity he used for his phone. Honestly, if you hate homeless people deputy Fife, just admit it.
 
2012-11-12 11:32:12 PM  
Have the homeless guy offer the cop a nickel to pay his share for the month.
 
2012-11-12 11:32:32 PM  
How long before the homeless have their own MLK?
 
2012-11-12 11:32:52 PM  

Philbb: He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.


he doesn't have anything on his record, the judge threw it out
 
2012-11-12 11:33:10 PM  
"If I sit down, they come up, ask for ID and run my name," said Fred Hall, 51, a North Carolina native. "If I spread a blanket and read a book, they arrest me for sleeping. It's crazy. They do the weirdest things to us."

It's almost as if the city doesn't want vagrants squatting in the public parks...
 
2012-11-12 11:33:18 PM  
I lived on the streets in Edmonton for a couple of weeks in 2008 and charged my phone at public outlets all over the downtown area. I never once was harassed by a cop, though I did see a few around.
 
2012-11-12 11:33:25 PM  
drewogatory
In Davis, Ca. they have (had?) prominent "No Loitering" signs posted by the picnic tables/bbq area in the so-called "Community Park". That one always made me shake my head...


They meant to post "No Littering" signs but the "No Loitering" ones were on sale and in this bad economy..
 
2012-11-12 11:35:56 PM  

dopekitty74: I lived on the streets in Edmonton for a couple of weeks in 2008


I hope it was in the summer.
 
2012-11-12 11:36:26 PM  
What is it with these cops? Haven't they read their Marx and Engels?
 
2012-11-12 11:36:40 PM  

This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.


The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".
 
2012-11-12 11:36:56 PM  

OnlyM3: This About That

I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.
You explain white knighting these law breaking bullies and I'll explain the mouthing off.


We pay police to enforce laws that we vote on, or empower our elected officials to enact, because we feel that these laws are necessary to the functioning of our society. And we empower the police to enforce these laws because we as society don't want a bunch of bums, thugs and teenagers hanging around the park all day long, endlessly recharging their phones, iPods and computers on electricity that we the taxpayers ultimately pay for. Now, usually, people told "Don't plug in your phone at that outlet, it's not for public use," will say "Sorry, officer, I didn't realize it," or at worst, mutter, "Screw you, pig" under their breath, while they unplug their device, and move on.

SOME people seem to think that they have to do more than that. These are the ones the cops wind up arresting, beating, and often doing worse than that to. I have to admit, I don't get it either. Nobody likes being told what to do; but then nobody likes going to jail either. Is it really so hard to just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it," and move on? Is it really so hard to be polite for two minutes and NOT ARGUE as opposed to screaming at a guy who, whatever philosophical differences you've got with the police, has no power to change the law he is paid to enforce? If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

I await your answer with interest.
 
2012-11-12 11:38:55 PM  
TFA left out the part where he broke out the power strip and plugged in his fridge, flatscreen and microwave too
 
2012-11-12 11:38:56 PM  
If the city didn't want its outlets being used, they could simply have shut off the power.

Then the man wouldn't have received a charge.
 
2012-11-12 11:39:23 PM  

LoneVVolf: It's almost as if the city doesn't want vagrants squatting in the public parks...


Surely the police could be doing something better than making sure a homeless guy isn't sitting on a park bench.
 
2012-11-12 11:39:43 PM  

LoneVVolf: "If I sit down, they come up, ask for ID and run my name," said Fred Hall, 51, a North Carolina native. "If I spread a blanket and read a book, they arrest me for sleeping. It's crazy. They do the weirdest things to us."

It's almost as if the city doesn't want vagrants squatting in the public parks...


So of course the homeless should just get jobs and houses, because that is at all possible. How well do you think an interview goes with someone who hasn't had soap to use or a proper shower in weeks? Framing the conversation in terms of "vagrants" and "squatting" just shows contempt. Where should they go? Get a hotel room?
 
2012-11-12 11:40:12 PM  
The best thing about dating a homeless person is when the date is over, you can pretty much drop them off anywhere.
 
2012-11-12 11:40:49 PM  

poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".


unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?
 
2012-11-12 11:41:00 PM  

dopekitty74: I lived on the streets in Edmonton for a couple of weeks in 2008 and charged my phone at public outlets all over the downtown area. I never once was harassed by a cop, though I did see a few around.


I imagine getting harassed by a Canuckistani cop would start with the phrase, "Excuse me sir, I hate to interrupt you, but I would appreciate it if I could discuss something with you..."

/Canadian stereotypes
 
2012-11-12 11:41:27 PM  

shtychkn: fanbladesaresharp: In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

Oh what the fark ever, Sgt. A-Hole. Perhaps you should unplug that coffee pot at the station. No one was using it, and it just sucks up taxpayer-paid city utilities.

Go bark up another tree. You busted a guy with no home or money. Well aren't you goddamn special.

Enough money to pay for phone service it seems.


A lot of homeless where I live get public benefits. They have a "Cash" and "food" side on their EBT cards. They use the cash sides to pay for those TracPhones I see a lot of them with. Others have a phone given to them and paid for by a third party. So.....your money is paying the government, to give the homeless money to pay for a phone that he uses a government service to be arrested over. Clearly it's the homeless guy that's sucking up all our resources here.

/ya i know you were being sarcastic. I hope.
 
2012-11-12 11:41:34 PM  

LoneVVolf: It's almost as if the city doesn't want vagrants squatting in the public parks...


We've spend the last few decades punishing the homeless. And look how well it's worked out!

Oh wait...
 
2012-11-12 11:41:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: This About That

I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.
You explain white knighting these law breaking bullies and I'll explain the mouthing off.

We pay police to enforce laws that we vote on, or empower our elected officials to enact, because we feel that these laws are necessary to the functioning of our society. And we empower the police to enforce these laws because we as society don't want a bunch of bums, thugs and teenagers hanging around the park all day long, endlessly recharging their phones, iPods and computers on electricity that we the taxpayers ultimately pay for. Now, usually, people told "Don't plug in your phone at that outlet, it's not for public use," will say "Sorry, officer, I didn't realize it," or at worst, mutter, "Screw you, pig" under their breath, while they unplug their device, and move on.

SOME people seem to think that they have to do more than that. These are the ones the cops wind up arresting, beating, and often doing worse than that to. I have to admit, I don't get it either. Nobody likes being told what to do; but then nobody likes going to jail either. Is it really so hard to just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it," and move on? Is it really so hard to be polite for two minutes and NOT ARGUE as opposed to screaming at a guy who, whatever philosophical differences you've got with the police, has no power to change the law he is paid to enforce? If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

I await your answer with interest.


Its against the law to arrest someone on trumped up charges for an obviously minor and harmless act.

The arrest itself was illegal.
 
2012-11-12 11:42:02 PM  

LavenderWolf: LoneVVolf: "If I sit down, they come up, ask for ID and run my name," said Fred Hall, 51, a North Carolina native. "If I spread a blanket and read a book, they arrest me for sleeping. It's crazy. They do the weirdest things to us."

It's almost as if the city doesn't want vagrants squatting in the public parks...

So of course the homeless should just get jobs and houses, because that is at all possible. How well do you think an interview goes with someone who hasn't had soap to use or a proper shower in weeks? Framing the conversation in terms of "vagrants" and "squatting" just shows contempt. Where should they go? Get a hotel room?


why can't they just spend the night at the club like everyone else does when they're getting their place gold plated? Farking lack of ingenuity, that's the problem
 
2012-11-12 11:42:56 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: shtychkn: fanbladesaresharp: In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."

Oh what the fark ever, Sgt. A-Hole. Perhaps you should unplug that coffee pot at the station. No one was using it, and it just sucks up taxpayer-paid city utilities.

Go bark up another tree. You busted a guy with no home or money. Well aren't you goddamn special.

Enough money to pay for phone service it seems.

A lot of homeless where I live get public benefits. They have a "Cash" and "food" side on their EBT cards. They use the cash sides to pay for those TracPhones I see a lot of them with. Others have a phone given to them and paid for by a third party. So.....your money is paying the government, to give the homeless money to pay for a phone that he uses a government service to be arrested over. Clearly it's the homeless guy that's sucking up all our resources here.

/ya i know you were being sarcastic. I hope.


I'd be using my cash side on booze, that's what I'd be using it on. Fark a phone
 
2012-11-12 11:43:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?


Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.
 
2012-11-12 11:43:41 PM  

numbone: Phone charged and place to sleep but did he get breakfast?


You obviously slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night. I hadn't even thought of breakfast.
 
2012-11-12 11:44:34 PM  
They should charge him with battery.
 
2012-11-12 11:45:02 PM  

whatshisname: dopekitty74: I lived on the streets in Edmonton for a couple of weeks in 2008

I hope it was in the summer.


Yeah, it was in july. Also, I had a tent set up in the valley. Went to the wading pool at the Legislature every day to keep fresh, brushed my teeth and did my actual body washing in the public wheelchair washroom (lockable single room affair) charged phone in all sorts of random locations. It was actually pretty fun. I'd class it as urban camping, rather than being homeless.
 
2012-11-12 11:45:34 PM  
If anyone read the arrest report you would know the cop WALKED out of the substation and saw a group of people smoking what appeared to be, omg, marijuana. the cop then arrested him for smoking in a park, a clear violation of city codes. Altho i find arresting instead of ticketing a bit heavyhanded. Then after the arrest the dude asks the cop to get his phone and the cop sees that it is charging on the other side of the power pole and that the COVER was broken off. Now I'm not one to take a cops side very often but i believe the cop could have most likely arrested everybody there and charged them with destruction of govt property! and might have got a conviction!
 
2012-11-12 11:45:49 PM  
Arrest is virtually equivalent to conviction to many employers. Welcome to the electronic plantation.

/yea i read the book too
 
2012-11-12 11:45:57 PM  

smitty04: Hollywood discovered that if you are helpful towards the homeless, they start congregating in your parks. Word travels fast.


If you dont want to step over the homeless and/or their feces, stay out of the parks.

Problem solved.
 
2012-11-12 11:46:15 PM  

Gyrfalcon: We pay police to enforce laws that we vote on, or empower our elected officials to enact, because we feel that these laws are necessary to the functioning of our society. And we empower the police to enforce these laws because we as society don't want a bunch of bums, thugs and teenagers hanging around the park all day long, endlessly recharging their phones, iPods and computers on electricity that we the taxpayers ultimately pay for. Now, usually, people told "Don't plug in your phone at that outlet, it's not for public use," will say "Sorry, officer, I didn't realize it," or at worst, mutter, "Screw you, pig" under their breath, while they unplug their device, and move on.


Since the judge threw out the charges as meritless, it sort of seems like your whole explanation is derived from a false pretense.
 
2012-11-12 11:46:50 PM  
I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that
 
2012-11-12 11:46:55 PM  

HempHead: The best thing about dating a homeless person is when the date is over, you can pretty much drop them off anywhere.


Sarah Silverman? I can't remember who did that joke.
 
2012-11-12 11:47:45 PM  

whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.


I think Officers are frequently provocative in hopes they get a rise of you and have an excuse to beat you.

For example, I just farking love getting called "boy" by an Officer half my age.
 
2012-11-12 11:48:03 PM  

Zombalupagus: [i.imm.io image 403x403]


Please tell me that's not an instagram pic. I really want to like it.
 
2012-11-12 11:48:59 PM  

EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that


How else is he gonna vote on American Idol?
 
2012-11-12 11:50:34 PM  

sethen320: Please tell me that's not an instagram pic. I really want to like it.


I dunno, it's got that "Polaroid sitting in your sock drawer since 1978" filter that all the Instagram photos seem to have.
 
2012-11-12 11:51:10 PM  

EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that


It was actually a calculator, but no one had the heart to tell him. He had it connected to the outlet with a broken suspender.
 
2012-11-12 11:52:01 PM  
sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.


More likely that she can't afford any of the spots in assisted living with openings in the area, they ain't cheap. In my mostly rural area they run $2k-$3k per month, in Sarasota they may be quite a bit more expensive and between medicare and SDI she may not have enough for them. Or she may have just barely enough leaving her with $2.19 in spending money for the month.
 
2012-11-12 11:52:30 PM  

skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?


You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.
 
2012-11-12 11:52:36 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

It was actually a calculator, but no one had the heart to tell him. He had it connected to the outlet with a broken suspender.


What, did he keep typing in 80085 hoping that he's going to get a sex line?
 
2012-11-12 11:52:50 PM  

smitty04: Hollywood discovered that if you are helpful towards the homeless, they start congregating in your parks. Word travels fast.


Hobo shiat makes good, free fertilizer for the park's flowers.
 
2012-11-12 11:54:18 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It was actually a calculator, but no one had the heart to tell him. He had it connected to the outlet with a broken suspender.


Sure it wasn't a tin can with the string pushed into the ground on the plug?

I can talk to anyone on Earth....
 
2012-11-12 11:54:28 PM  
He shoulda charged his bootstraps. Then the whole mess could have been avoided.
 
2012-11-12 11:55:10 PM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole


Oh come on, give us a challenge!
 
2012-11-12 11:56:38 PM  

This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.


Try a few more interactions.

Don't try anymore I don't want to feel guilty.
 
2012-11-12 11:57:38 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: They should charge him with battery.


Why? There was no resistance.
 
2012-11-12 11:58:13 PM  
Gotta say, if you're going to live on the streets, Sarasota wouldn't be the worst place to be. Nice weather and beautiful public parks. Sure as hell beats here in Chicago...
 
2012-11-12 11:58:58 PM  
My idea for Jacksonville since our homeless problem is out of control is build a recycling center (since we don't have one) with on site living quarters. Build it far enough into the county where it's a pain in the ass to walk back downtown. If you're arrested for Pan handling then you're taken there to do labor. Nothing too hard, mostly sorting and such. They'll give you food, shelter, and a stippened as long as you work. If you don't want to, fine; you're released and it's a good 20 miles back to your bench downtown.

It solves the homeless problem, jail problem (because now they lock them up for 24 hours, feed them, and release them back downtown), it puts people to work and may help some get back on their feet, and it helps the environment. Right now the only solution our council created is say pan handling is a crime and you get 3 hots and a cot for getting hauled in.
 
2012-11-12 11:59:15 PM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


Likely it does but there's no way to force somebody to take SSDI and where would they get the check sent?

We are in trouble. Any aid program will be opposed by the FYGM crowd, despite the fact that it is actually cheaper in the long run to just straight up give them housing (living outside is hell on your health and that results in a ton of ER visits). So we end up with the current situation where local government and police try to make life for the homeless as unpleasant as possible in the hope that they go away. The ideal situation would be to offer all the help possible, including a place to live where one can drink their liver into swiss cheese if someone so chooses, and then force anyone who refuses to take it into the treatment system it on the grounds to a mentally competent person wouldn't voluntarily live under a bridge. But because there has been so much bad faith attempts to "fix" the homeless problem under that guise the ability of cities to force people into treatment or housing is severely limited due to successful lawsuits from the ACLU and other groups. Also you'd end up with a massive free rider problem as every single city in the US would pay for one-way bus fare to any city that implements such a program to make the homeless not their problem anymore. The complete systemic solution is blocked, but more safety nets would certainly help and are badly needed. In the mean time people need to stop giving handouts to panhandlers and direct it to local charities instead.

It really sucks because those that are chronically homeless quite frankly give homelessness a bad image, if that makes sense. The guy you see every day on the corner isn't the true face of the majority of homeless: it is the woman and kids living out of a car in the walmart parking lot because her abusive partner finally snapped, or the teenager couch surfing because his parents found out he's gay.
 
2012-11-12 11:59:27 PM  
Frangioni, a 14-year veteran of the Sarasota Police Department, did not return calls or emails seeking comment for this story. Neither did City Manager Thomas Barwin.

They obviously didn't want to waste city utilities.
 
2012-11-13 12:00:20 AM  

Wulfman: C_Canuk: Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.


Yeah, fight that fight. But so long as the officer is not held personally accountable in situations like this, people will do the cost/benefit and realize it's usually better to stfu and do whatever they're told. So in all seriousness, how does that get changed?


With a critical mass of people not STFU and doing what they're told. The police budget gets spent, requiring additional tax dollars having to be spent, the majority of people get furious that the pig's power trips are causing higher taxes and they punish the politicians that don't curb it at the polls, or the guillotine. I'm fine with either.

If enough people go out and say "NO! You Move" eventually things will change. Letting the cops step on your neck emboldens them and erodes your rights and security.

Seriously it's so bad in the US they shoot your pets with impunity, shoot people and don't even apologize when they get the address wrong.

You might want to start making a fuss about it before it gets worse.

Cops should be afraid of the voting power of the law abiding majority not the other way around.
 
2012-11-13 12:00:22 AM  

fnordfocus: Philbb: He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.

Having a misdemeanor on your record, or even an arrest nowadays, pretty much guarantees he will never be able to leave a life of homelessness.

It will disqualify him from shelters, public assistance, and nearly all jobs.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-11-13 12:00:48 AM  

skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?


He's homeless and sleeping in a park, in a city that's famous for being "mean" to homeless people. Why would he need to do anything else?
 
2012-11-13 12:01:08 AM  

LovingTeacher: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.

More likely that she can't afford any of the spots in assisted living with openings in the area, they ain't cheap. In my mostly rural area they run $2k-$3k per month, in Sarasota they may be quite a bit more expensive and between medicare and SDI she may not have enough for them. Or she may have just barely enough leaving her with $2.19 in spending money for the month.


Medicare doesn't pay for assisted living. Medicaid will pay for a limited amount of time, subject to many restrictions and gotchas. Link
 
2012-11-13 12:03:31 AM  

ShobuZukuri: [emveeart77.files.wordpress.com image 600x374]

Because jackass just doesn't cover it.


WE love PONCE!
 
2012-11-13 12:04:39 AM  

LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14


That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.
 
2012-11-13 12:04:43 AM  

EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that


Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker because it's so damn cute to watch you partisan guys bicker back and forth. And by partisan I mean the elephants and the donkeys.

In the end though, I find it absolutely awesome that a cop made the conscious decision to arrest someone for using an outlet sitting in plain view to consume probably less than a penny, and all you wanna know is why the guy had the audacity to have a phone.
 
2012-11-13 12:05:19 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: This About That

I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.
You explain white knighting these law breaking bullies and I'll explain the mouthing off.

We pay police to enforce laws that we vote on, or empower our elected officials to enact, because we feel that these laws are necessary to the functioning of our society. And we empower the police to enforce these laws because we as society don't want a bunch of bums, thugs and teenagers hanging around the park all day long, endlessly recharging their phones, iPods and computers on electricity that we the taxpayers ultimately pay for. Now, usually, people told "Don't plug in your phone at that outlet, it's not for public use," will say "Sorry, officer, I didn't realize it," or at worst, mutter, "Screw you, pig" under their breath, while they unplug their device, and move on.

SOME people seem to think that they have to do more than that. These are the ones the cops wind up arresting, beating, and often doing worse than that to. I have to admit, I don't get it either. Nobody likes being told what to do; but then nobody likes going to jail either. Is it really so hard to just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it," and move on? Is it really so hard to be polite for two minutes and NOT ARGUE as opposed to screaming at a guy who, whatever philosophical differences you've got with the police, has no power to change the law he is paid to enforce? If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

I await your answer with interest.


Answer

/no, I'm not calling you an asshole, it's the name of the article.
 
2012-11-13 12:05:28 AM  

Derigiberble: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Likely it does but there's no way to force somebody to take SSDI and where would they get the check sent?

We are in trouble. Any aid program will be opposed by the FYGM crowd, despite the fact that it is actually cheaper in the long run to just straight up give them housing (living outside is hell on your health and that results in a ton of ER visits). So we end up with the current situation where local government and police try to make life for the homeless as unpleasant as possible in the hope that they go away. The ideal situation would be to offer all the help possible, including a place to live where one can drink their liver into swiss cheese if someone so chooses, and then force anyone who refuses to take it into the treatment system it on the grounds to a mentally competent person wouldn't voluntarily live under a bridge. But because there has been so much bad faith attempts to "fix" the homeless problem under that guise the ability of cities to force people into treatment or housing is severely limited due to successful lawsuits from the ACLU and other groups. Also you'd end up with a massive free rider problem as every single city in the US would pay for one-way bus fare to any city that implements such a program to make the homeless not their problem anymore. The complete systemic solution is blocked, but more safety nets would certainly help and are badly needed. In the mean time people need to stop giving handouts to panhandlers and direct it to local charities instead.

It really sucks because those that are chronically homeless quite frankly give homelessness a bad image, if that makes sense. The guy you see every day on the corner isn't the true face of the majority of homeless: it is the woman and kids living out of a car in th ...


Many "homeless" don't want housing. They've got a different day-to-day psychology of living on the street and where-you-find-it. They won't be able to maintain a home even if you give them one.

There's a lot of good reasons homeless avoid the homeless shelters, even. No dogs, no secure storage for the shopping cart and no way to "watch it", you'll get your iPhone stolen. Made the case that camping under a bridge with some other guys you "know" is far safer than dealing with the drunks and thieves around the shelters you'd be forced to sleep next to.
 
2012-11-13 12:05:47 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Try a few more interactions.


Well, I'll grant you there is one Hell of a difference between when you have money and when you don't. I attribute that mostly to the entity that employs the cop. If you are homeless, get yourself to Goodwill or equivalent and buy a decent-looking shirt or two for a buck. You will be amazed how much better your life will be compared to going around in your wife beater. Also, a shaver is more important to your well being than a cell phone.
 
2012-11-13 12:05:59 AM  
I thought Obama was going to save up we al get a free electric car and a unicorn and legal weed.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:08 AM  
Most cell phones cost less then 40cents per year to charge, some beefier ones like the new Galaxy or the iPhone5 cost around 50cents per year.

How much did the arrest cost the tax payers of Sarasota? If you go by the bail of $500 which it supposed to compensate the taxpayers then it cost residence +1000% more to arrest this guy then it would have cost them to let him to charge his phone...for a year.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: OnlyM3: This About That

I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.
You explain white knighting these law breaking bullies and I'll explain the mouthing off.

We pay police to enforce laws that we vote on, or empower our elected officials to enact, because we feel that these laws are necessary to the functioning of our society. And we empower the police to enforce these laws because we as society don't want a bunch of bums, thugs and teenagers hanging around the park all day long, endlessly recharging their phones, iPods and computers on electricity that we the taxpayers ultimately pay for. Now, usually, people told "Don't plug in your phone at that outlet, it's not for public use," will say "Sorry, officer, I didn't realize it," or at worst, mutter, "Screw you, pig" under their breath, while they unplug their device, and move on.

SOME people seem to think that they have to do more than that. These are the ones the cops wind up arresting, beating, and often doing worse than that to. I have to admit, I don't get it either. Nobody likes being told what to do; but then nobody likes going to jail either. Is it really so hard to just say "Sorry, I didn't realize it," and move on? Is it really so hard to be polite for two minutes and NOT ARGUE as opposed to screaming at a guy who, whatever philosophical differences you've got with the police, has no power to change the law he is paid to enforce? If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

I await your answer with interest.


And more than a few Farkers would have us believe that they would stand up to the cop, put him in his place by pointing out that they were his boss, and then laugh as the cop left with his proverbial tail tucked between his legs.
 
2012-11-13 12:06:41 AM  

whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.


That's true. But that's my point. The cop may be an asshole. He probably is being an asshole. But if you can be polite and not go to jail WHY are you choosing the alternative? What are you going to get out of the encounter, except an arrest record? You are going to get zero life points for treating the cop like an asshole back while you're getting cuffed and thrown into the back of his cruiser, and even if the arrest is bogus (like this one was) and you are not charged, guess what? You still have an arrest record and that will never go away.

Which is fine if you plan never to have a job that requires you to disclose if you have ever been arrested (as opposed to convicted); or if you never need a new apartment that runs a background check, or have a credit check run, or get a traffic ticket again. Trust me, I got arrested in 1986, long before records were computerized, and I was never charged (and hence never convicted) and that thing still causes me issues. And I'm a white middle-aged female with no other negative cop interactions. I'd hate to be a young black male nowadays with a couple of minor arrests--so tell me again why mouthing off to a dick cop and turning a minor harassment into a misdemeanor arrest is so much more important than shutting up for a minute or two, letting the cop win the cock-sparring contest, and walking away free?
 
2012-11-13 12:07:44 AM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


Here's my CSB.

My wife had a stroke in 2004. It turns out that she sustained a pretty severe TBI from it. It's a long story, but she's never going to work again.

After filing for disability, Social Security denied it instantly. Then they denied the appeal- without actually having looked at it. The response letter they sent had zero facts other than my address and the date correct, but there was no recourse other than to lawyer up.

So we did.

And now we wait 18 months and hope we don't get the administrative law judge that only grants 5% of cases. And that's assuming that nothing else happens along the way. When we get denied at the next stage, we appeal and go further, and eventually we have to fight it out in Federal court.

The funny thing is- my wife's last job was at Social Security.

The system is royally and totally farked.
 
2012-11-13 12:07:56 AM  
You do need an address to get the "Obamaphone" but there are several places that provide addresses for the homeless to get mail!

When one gets an EBT card you have to sign a form that says you CANNOT use any of the benefits for alcohol, or tobacco and if you get caught doing so you could lose all benefits! Therefore you must go to an ATM and get cash for that stuff!
 
2012-11-13 12:08:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I got arrested in 1986


go on...
 
2012-11-13 12:08:37 AM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

He's homeless and sleeping in a park, in a city that's famous for being "mean" to homeless people. Why would he need to do anything else?


poot_rootbeer?
 
2012-11-13 12:10:29 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.


happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong
 
2012-11-13 12:11:00 AM  

whatshisname: sethen320: Please tell me that's not an instagram pic. I really want to like it.

I dunno, it's got that "Polaroid sitting in your sock drawer since 1978" filter that all the Instagram photos seem to have.


Dammit, and it's such a cool photo.
 
2012-11-13 12:11:04 AM  

Smingleigh: If we let a homeless person charge his or her phone with public electricity, what next? Can they moor their yachts on public piers? Should they land their planes on public airfields? It's a slippery slope, and there isn't an easy answer to the problem.


Hear hear and by jorry by jingo!
 
2012-11-13 12:13:46 AM  
Homeless people have iPhones nowadays? fark, I can't even afford an iPhone.

/poor college student.
 
2012-11-13 12:14:49 AM  
Sounds like they are going to be rid of their homeless problem by eventually giving them all a reason to sue the city and win a big settlement...brilliant solution!
 
2012-11-13 12:15:19 AM  

dopekitty74: I lived on the streets in Edmonton for a couple of weeks in 2008 and charged my phone at public outlets all over the downtown area. I never once was harassed by a cop, though I did see a few around.


They were probably all too amazed that you stayed in Edmonton instead of catching the first bus south or west like everyone else.
 
2012-11-13 12:15:28 AM  
We can either export the homeless to have them studied and their nutrients extracted, or else we can issue them shovels so that they may dig their way down and stay with the Mole People. But I certainly don't believe that they should be allowed to bathe in the public drinking supply.
 
2012-11-13 12:15:55 AM  

sethen320: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker because it's so damn cute to watch you partisan guys bicker back and forth. And by partisan I mean the elephants and the donkeys.

In the end though, I find it absolutely awesome that a cop made the conscious decision to arrest someone for using an outlet sitting in plain view to consume probably less than a penny, and all you wanna know is why the guy had the audacity to have a phone.


I'm not saying he had the audacity to have a phone. And I don't know what to call the phone other than an "Obamaphone" (and I voted for the guy).

I just find it odd that he was charging a cell phone because it is not something one would expect a homeless person to prioritize. Like I said, I'm hoping he is using it because he isn't lazy and is putting in applications to not be homeless anymore.
 
2012-11-13 12:17:16 AM  

antiFodder: fnordfocus: Philbb: He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.

Having a misdemeanor on your record, or even an arrest nowadays, pretty much guarantees he will never be able to leave a life of homelessness.

It will disqualify him from shelters, public assistance, and nearly all jobs.

imgs.xkcd.com


Seconded. I've only ever been asked about felonies.
 
2012-11-13 12:17:24 AM  

antiFodder: It will disqualify him from shelters, public assistance, and nearly all jobs.


Have you ever filled out a job application? They all ask for your criminal record, and most ask if you have ever been arrested. With double-digit unemployment, can you possibly imaging that they wouldn't just shred it if you check "yes?"

Here is a sample homeless shelter policy. You need to pass a criminal records check, which will show any arrests or convictions.

As far as benefits, the last few decades "tough on crime" means you lose most benefits. For example, if you've been in jail for 30 days, you lose Social Security and have to petition for a chance to get it back on the rolls, but I suspect nobody ever gets approved.
 
2012-11-13 12:17:46 AM  

HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.


It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.
 
2012-11-13 12:18:38 AM  

LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.


what did they think you'd done?
 
2012-11-13 12:18:52 AM  

Lehk: Philbb: He had at least one night sleeping under a roof and most likely had at least two meals. We're not talking about prison here. We're talking about a local jail which could very well be nicer than any other place he'd spent the night in some time. All for the cost of having a misdemeanor on his record.

he doesn't have anything on his record, the judge threw it out


Aye, that was the result. But, he didn't know that would happen when he was dealing with the cop.
 
2012-11-13 12:19:15 AM  

EKU Colonel: I just find it odd that he was charging a cell phone because it is not something one would expect a homeless person to prioritize


Communication is the first thing you should prioritize if you're homeless. If you're homeless, a phone is your most valuable tool for NOT being homeless. No phone number, no email... no way you're getting off the street.
 
2012-11-13 12:19:43 AM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: They should charge him with battery.


Finally!!!!!

Most Farkworthy comment here!
 
2012-11-13 12:19:45 AM  

EKU Colonel: Like I said, I'm hoping he is using it because he isn't lazy and is putting in applications to not be homeless anymore.


Homeless people do have lives apart from sleeping it off on park benches. I guess $10-20 a month to keep in touch with friends and family is worth it. Cell phones are probably a great convenience for them. No address needed like with a land line.
 
2012-11-13 12:20:56 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong


Doing what wrong? Walking to work?
 
2012-11-13 12:21:02 AM  

EKU Colonel: My idea for Jacksonville since our homeless problem is out of control is build a recycling center (since we don't have one) with on site living quarters. Build it far enough into the county where it's a pain in the ass to walk back downtown.


In St Augustine they built a nice equestrian center about 7-8 miles out of town that stood empty for a couple of years and that's where they shipped the homeless nightly after the city banned them from downtown after dark. They had to get to the bus stop by 5pm or they had to walk to the shelter way out of town. They weren't allowed to stay in the city limits though. Now the homeless people camp in the woods behind the old Albertsons or out here near the railroad tracks on SR16 since both are outside of the city limits. It's that kind of city thinking that has the city in such bad shape right now. And everytime I see a homeless person I give them a couple of bucks to help out. I met quite a few when I was a cabbie and they're all decent people for the most part. Fark the city and their hatred toward homeless people. It makes no sense.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:39 AM  
Oh...and for those who don't know... the "Obama Phone" program started sometime in the'90s.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:46 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: LovingTeacher: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

Yeah, but it's just money. She's looking for an assisted-living place that will take her. Maybe they're full in Sarasota. Maybe she's a problem nobody wants.

More likely that she can't afford any of the spots in assisted living with openings in the area, they ain't cheap. In my mostly rural area they run $2k-$3k per month, in Sarasota they may be quite a bit more expensive and between medicare and SDI she may not have enough for them. Or she may have just barely enough leaving her with $2.19 in spending money for the month.

Medicare doesn't pay for assisted living. Medicaid will pay for a limited amount of time, subject to many restrictions and gotchas.


I didn't know that, I've luckily never had to use medicare, medicaid or MediCal (I live in California). I do know a few people in the neighborhood with mental disorders that get SSDI and section 8 housing but no one who lives in assisted living. I wasn't sure how that works but I know that SSDI and food stamps for a single disabled adult don't give you enough money to live on in a smallish city without going to food banks.
 
2012-11-13 12:21:55 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.

That's true. But that's my point. The cop may be an asshole. He probably is being an asshole. But if you can be polite and not go to jail WHY are you choosing the alternative? What are you going to get out of the encounter, except an arrest record? You are going to get zero life points for treating the cop like an asshole back while you're getting cuffed and thrown into the back of his cruiser, and even if the arrest is bogus (like this one was) and you are not charged, guess what? You still have an arrest record and that will never go away.

Which is fine if you plan never to have a job that requires you to disclose if you have ever been arrested (as opposed to convicted); or if you never need a new apartment that runs a background check, or have a credit check run, or get a traffic ticket again. Trust me, I got arrested in 1986, long before records were computerized, and I was never charged (and hence never convicted) and that thing still causes me issues. And I'm a white middle-aged female with no other negative cop interactions. I'd hate to be a young black male nowadays with a couple of minor arrests--so tell me again why mouthing off to a dick cop and turning a minor harassment into a misdemeanor arrest is so much more important than shutting up for a minute or two, letting the cop win the cock-sparring contest, and walking away free?


Perhaps this guy's criminal and credit records are already hosed, he can't get a job, and he has nothing to lose by mouthing off to a cop except the freedom to sleep under a bush with an empty stomach. Do you find it hard to believe that a homeless person might be in such circumstances?
 
2012-11-13 12:22:01 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?


you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?
 
2012-11-13 12:22:11 AM  
Wow subby believes in unconditional anarchy. Must be one of those "small-l" libertarians.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:11 AM  

Philbb: [imgs.xkcd.com image 500x271]

Seconded. I've only ever been asked about felonies.


Doesn't really matter what they ask anyway.

They'll have your name and SSN, and pretty much all businesses of any size run background checks. That will show up any conviction, infraction, arrest, or conviction.

Aside from arrest records, I've seen applications that specifically ask about traffic convictions such as speeding tickets.
 
2012-11-13 12:22:13 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?


Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.


So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.
 
2012-11-13 12:23:59 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?

you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?


I work at a college.
 
2012-11-13 12:24:02 AM  

Wrencher: Oh...and for those who don't know... the "Obama Phone" program started sometime in the'90s.


2000s under Bush II. Previously it was a program to get landlines to rural people started under RR. Dubya made the switch to cell phones for poor people or "manaraties" as ObamaPhoneLady says it
 
2012-11-13 12:24:33 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


You should have been on your bike.

img2-1.timeinc.net
 
2012-11-13 12:25:39 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: poot_rootbeer: This About That: I do not understand this seemingly irresistible urge to mouth off to a cop.

The first 11 times I get harassed by a dick with a badge when I'm doing nothing illegal, I will be all no sir, I'm sorry sir, thank you.

The twelfth time I might "mouth off".

unless you're guilty of being black, what the fark are you doing to get harassed by the cops 11 times?

You don't think that shiat happens? I get stopped and harassed at least every other month. I'm polite, employed, well-groomed, white bread as it gets. And in Canada no less. I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14. Had a cop try to intimidate me into confessing to a crime I didn't commit. Despite having a 100% clean record and having assisted the police on several occasions.


Cops are generally, though not always, looking to start trouble. In my experience.

happened to me once. Open container, got locked up for the night for it. Absolute concerted effort on the part of the Worcester PD to crack down on college kids except I was 23 at the time and back visiting. I can see it happening as a one off sort of thing but if you're constantly getting harassed by the cops and you're a regular joe white guy, you're probably doing it wrong

Doing what wrong? Walking to work?

you constantly get harassed by police when walking to work? Is your office "the corner" and your job "selling crack to kids"?

I work at a college.


and you get constantly harassed? For what? Are they harassing everyone walking down the street or just you? Honestly interested in what this scenario is because it sounds like a terrible use of manpower
 
2012-11-13 12:26:09 AM  

EKU Colonel: sethen320: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker becau ...


I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:10 AM  

Glendale: You should have been on your bike.


Good plan, but they'd probably remove that scene in the Director's Cut.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:11 AM  

sethen320: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker because it's so ...


Ironically, an overpass or camp in the woods is probably a far nicer place than any apartment which could be rented for $100.

Begging CAN be lucrative. Women with the young homeless waif look and a good act can easily draw $60/hr at a good corner. The older guys probably draw like $10/hr.

But one thing's for sure, they're in the city because the city offers things. Begging on streetcorners is their job, their bread-and-butter. Surely they could set up a similar camp 10 miles outside of town where they'd bother no one and no cops would harass them, but that's not gonna work because they need the handouts from cast-off items, cast-off food, and of course the begging cash.
 
2012-11-13 12:26:22 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

...

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.

So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.


Wow, damn near the same thing happened to me when I was sixteen, except it was only two Officers/guns.

And someone had been stabbed in the same parking lot the night before. I guess they were waiting for me to return to the scene.
 
2012-11-13 12:27:58 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.


So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.


damn, straight outta Toronto. Crazy motherfarker named L-Wolf
 
2012-11-13 12:28:12 AM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win


Unless you can turn it into a story. Sometimes civil disobedience happens accidentally. Sometimes it's as simple as not moving to the back of the bus.
 
2012-11-13 12:29:48 AM  

C_Canuk: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.

Truer words never spoken.

Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.


Big difference. Removing your phone from a charger is many magnitudes less severe than what you're suggesting...
 
2012-11-13 12:30:26 AM  

skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?


I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.
 
2012-11-13 12:30:30 AM  

HoratioGates: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win

Unless you can turn it into a story. Sometimes civil disobedience happens accidentally. Sometimes it's as simple as not moving to the back of the bus.


Sounds like a really boring Tom Hanks movie.
 
2012-11-13 12:31:14 AM  
Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.
Check this out:
Link
 
2012-11-13 12:32:10 AM  

sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.


Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye
 
2012-11-13 12:32:20 AM  
I have no idea why but they single me out. It's crazy.
 
2012-11-13 12:32:47 AM  

Tman144: I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.


I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.

Pretty soon, they recognize the car and you're screwed.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:51 AM  

fnordfocus: I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.


Rather, Lavenderwolf.

Attribution is hard.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:57 AM  

fnordfocus: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

...

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.

So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.

Wow, damn near the same thing happened to me when I was sixteen, except it was only two Officers/guns.

And someone had been stabbed in the same parking lot the night before. I guess they were waiting for me to return to the scene.


Obviously, you should stop stabbing people all the time, and you won't get harassed as much.
 
2012-11-13 12:34:26 AM  

Oznog: sethen320: EKU Colonel: I kind of skimmed through the comments, but did anyone ask why a homeless guy has a phone? How does he pay for it? Who is he expecting calls from? Is it an Obamaphone, because I'm pretty sure you still need a real address for those.

I'm hopefully that he got it because he's expecting a call back on some applications he's filled out, but the cynic in me doubts that

Ok, let's play along and do the math. Let's say it's a Verizon phone, which can get pretty pricey. It costs him what, $100/month? Now let's say that he chooses not to get a phone and instead rent an apartment so that he's not one of those icky homeless people. All he has to do is find an apartment which is $100/month! Voila!

Of course that doesn't include food, utilities, transportation (to get to a job so he doesn't have to be homeless), and a small amount for entertainment (human beings can not be expected to sit and stare at the walls constantly when they aren't working). So, given this scenario, can you locate an apartment which costs $100/month to rent?

Ok, let's get more realistic and assume it's a prepaid device which can be had for maybe $20/month. Yes, I agree that most of the time a phone is a luxury, but in this case the guy is homeless with nothing. He doesn't have jack-shiat. If he can scrape up 20 bucks a month then thats enough to have a phone and nowhere near enough to have a place to crash. Do you expect him to "save up" and pay rent every 8 months (assuming $400/month)? I don't know how lucrative begging is, so I may be wrong on this assumption.

I don't know his particular situation, he may be lazy, he may be stubborn, or he may have mental issues which happens to be VERY common among homeless people. If he's living in a park and still has a cell phone I doubt laziness applies here.

"Obamaphone"...I am not a fan of the president but whenever I see anyone attach the word "Obama" to the front of anything they don't like I automatically snicker becau ...


I realize that there are some people who consider that their "job". A few years ago I realized that they're no different from the annoying guys at the malls who try to sell me overpriced remote controlled helicopters. I just ignore them. If I see someone who I think REALLY needs help, I help. But the guys standing on a corner with a sign at an intersection which is famous for that, and it's public knowledge they're career bums? I don't HAVE to give. I might, I might not. No harm either way.

Now a dude charging a cell phone in a park and not bothering anyone? If I was a cop I would probably just shrug it off.
 
2012-11-13 12:34:32 AM  

LavenderWolf: I have no idea why but they single me out. It's crazy.


maybe it's the Free Mumia! shirt?
 
2012-11-13 12:35:37 AM  

Tman144: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.


Nope, average height and slim build, no obvious tattoos (wolf paw on my back is covered by any shirt), no "gang colours" as I generally wear brown and grey. Short hair. In short I look like the ideal working class Joe.
 
2012-11-13 12:35:41 AM  

skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye


Awkward Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:14 AM  

fnordfocus: Tman144: I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.

I can't speak for skullkrusher, but once they've harassed you once you're in the computer and you're going to harassed again every time they run your plates.

Pretty soon, they recognize the car and you're screwed.


Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.
 
2012-11-13 12:36:43 AM  

cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.


I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?
 
2012-11-13 12:37:28 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye

Awkward Thanksgiving.


FARK you mom, pass the potatoes please
 
2012-11-13 12:37:35 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Obviously, you should stop stabbing people all the time, and you won't get harassed as much.


Funny thing is, they let me go because I didn't have a record, so I was obviously innocent.

But that detention means I now have a record, so if I get stopped again I'm considered guilty.
 
2012-11-13 12:38:17 AM  

Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.


lying partisan coont...
 
2012-11-13 12:39:09 AM  

skullkrusher: sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye

Awkward Thanksgiving.

FARK you mom, pass the potatoes please


And then you promptly stuff them and whatever else is in front ogf you in your pockets.
 
2012-11-13 12:39:43 AM  
What a LavenderWolf might look like

www.myconfinedspace.com
 
2012-11-13 12:40:34 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: I know that a lot of homeless people used to use the pay phones which were so prevalent in our society not so long ago. With the virtual death of those I honestly don't see any other way for them to maintain communication with others unless we expect them to use smoke signals. I know it seems crazy, but the cell phone is actually no longer a luxury. Human beings communicate, and that drive is a priority. I don't see it as being that much of a stretch to say that if you have nothing and you can somehow scrape up an extra 20 bucks after paying for sustenance, then you pay a wireless bill. At that point what else can you really do with the cash? It may also be what you're hoping for. This person may have the phone to get a job. I hope that's the case, but it doesn't have to be.

Hi mom? Hey, it's Joe. I wanted to call and thank you once again for forcing me to live under a bridge. Best mom ever. Did you get the #1 mom mug I sent you for Mother's Day? Ok, good. I gotta run, cop is busting my balls again. Love you too. Bye

Awkward Thanksgiving.

FARK you mom, pass the potatoes please

And then you promptly stuff them and whatever else is in front ogf you in your pockets.


the gravy can get kinda gross
 
2012-11-13 12:41:08 AM  

whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?


but where do they charge them if they are homeless?
 
2012-11-13 12:41:21 AM  
Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because police will fark with people in emotionally volatile situations. Why should police bother de-escalating a situation when they can get a perfectly good arrest. 

Hell, it isn't their job to deal with people, they deal with the law.
 
2012-11-13 12:41:44 AM  

cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?


The park, silly!
 
2012-11-13 12:42:22 AM  

LavenderWolf: Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.


Then you're either not white enough, not straight enough, look like someone who once dated an Officer's ex-wife, or are that asshole who wasted their time by not being guilty enough the last time they stopped you.
 
2012-11-13 12:42:34 AM  

sethen320: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?

The park, silly!


their Escalade's cigarette lighter?
 
2012-11-13 12:42:53 AM  

cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?


I don't know, the same places us non-homeless folk do when nobody's looking? Any unguarded outlet in an airport, coffee shop, school, office building, park, etc...?
 
2012-11-13 12:44:37 AM  

skullkrusher: sethen320: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?

The park, silly!

their Escalade's cigarette lighter?


Only if they have a USB adapter. Those things are expensive!!!
 
2012-11-13 12:44:52 AM  

LavenderWolf: Tman144: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

I too am interested in why the cops harass you so much. Are you a big guy with a lot of tats or something? I had friends in high school who got harassed a lot, but they were punks and skins, and so drew a lot of attention to themselves.

Nope, average height and slim build, no obvious tattoos (wolf paw on my back is covered by any shirt), no "gang colours" as I generally wear brown and grey. Short hair. In short I look like the ideal working class Joe.


This is quite the mystery. Did you sleep with a cop's daughter years ago? Maybe they have your picture down at the station and they play a game called "Who can get away with harassing this random guy the most." Like the "Meow" game from Super Troopers, but, you know, with you, instead of Jim Gaffigan.
 
2012-11-13 12:47:43 AM  

fnordfocus: LavenderWolf: Difficulty: I don't drive. No plates to run.

Then you're either not white enough, not straight enough, look like someone who once dated an Officer's ex-wife, or are that asshole who wasted their time by not being guilty enough the last time they stopped you.


Or just happened to look over your shoulder at them. If you look at them wrong, or just twice, your guilty of something.
 
2012-11-13 12:47:57 AM  

skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like


Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe
 
2012-11-13 12:51:43 AM  
Basically, police farked up. Police should partner with shelters, rehab centers, VA & etc.., to help (when encountering homeless) to get them to a shelter and keep them safe. It's better to have a good relationship with homeless rather than charge them and give them free meals down at the local pokey (which is going to cost tax payers a lot more).

Problem for homeless are those deviants that commit crimes. Like someone posted in an image -- it's a shame to have vacant buildings and homeless.
 
2012-11-13 12:51:44 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe


That's actually pretty funny. Your dental hygiene seems to be better though.
 
2012-11-13 12:53:42 AM  

sethen320: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

That's actually pretty funny. Your dental hygiene seems to be better though.


Yeah I don't look my best right now but hardly "arrest this obvious deviant" levels.
 
2012-11-13 12:56:16 AM  

sethen320: skullkrusher: sethen320: cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?

The park, silly!

their Escalade's cigarette lighter?

Only if they have a USB adapter. Those things are expensive!!!


not anymore. Ussain Soetoro Barack adapters are free in the Obamanation
 
2012-11-13 12:57:07 AM  

LavenderWolf: sethen320: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

That's actually pretty funny. Your dental hygiene seems to be better though.

Yeah I don't look my best right now but hardly "arrest this obvious deviant" levels.


yeah you don't look like you should be a target. Certainly not like that Aqualung guy I posted before
 
2012-11-13 01:00:34 AM  
alright, it's been fun but it's time for wee skullkrushers to sleep. sethen320, you're on call to bail out LavenderWolf if need be until I get up

night kids
 
2012-11-13 01:02:08 AM  

skullkrusher: alright, it's been fun but it's time for wee skullkrushers to sleep. sethen320, you're on call to bail out LavenderWolf if need be until I get up

night kids


Sorry dude, I'm checking out as well. Good night everyone, have fun, stay out of trouble and please be sure to charge your phones in a government-approved location.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:17 AM  
A trap? As in finding a male plug when you're expecting a female outlet?
 
2012-11-13 01:02:25 AM  

skullkrusher: alright, it's been fun but it's time for wee skullkrushers to sleep. sethen320, you're on call to bail out LavenderWolf if need be until I get up

night kids


I love you.
 
2012-11-13 01:02:31 AM  

Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.


Supposedly, a buck would get you two years of charging from dead to full power, once per day, every day.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410954,00.asp

(although with either phone in the "study", you should be able to charge less often than that with light to moderate usage. And of course, utility costs will vary by location and time of year; the rate used is supposedly the national average for the US from June 2012.)
 
2012-11-13 01:04:50 AM  

gibbon1: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

In a perfect world the Judge would solemnly listen to both sides of the case and then toss the cop in jail for contempt. There is actually a common law concept which is the court doesn't bother with trifling things.


Common law....how quaint. We're under Roman-style Civil Procedure now, though.
 
2012-11-13 01:13:42 AM  

Lunaville: Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.

Yes, I have an elderly relative who receives $620 per month in disability. Her monthly probation payment is $330 per month. She is supposed to support herself on the remainder. As a felon, she does not qualify for most government housing.


Why the fark did she break the law and not steal enough?
 
2012-11-13 01:16:33 AM  
LavenderWolf

Dilly Dilly
 
2012-11-13 01:19:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: whatshisname: Gyrfalcon: If your options are a) be polite and don't go to jail or b) piss off the cop and go to jail, why pick b)?

Because sometimes the cop is just throwing his weight around and being a power-tripping dick? I'm not homeless and about as straight as they come, but I've experienced it a few times. Respect earns respect and some officials have no idea how to treat people with respect.

That's true. But that's my point. The cop may be an asshole. He probably is being an asshole. But if you can be polite and not go to jail WHY are you choosing the alternative? What are you going to get out of the encounter, except an arrest record? You are going to get zero life points for treating the cop like an asshole back while you're getting cuffed and thrown into the back of his cruiser, and even if the arrest is bogus (like this one was) and you are not charged, guess what? You still have an arrest record and that will never go away.

Which is fine if you plan never to have a job that requires you to disclose if you have ever been arrested (as opposed to convicted); or if you never need a new apartment that runs a background check, or have a credit check run, or get a traffic ticket again. Trust me, I got arrested in 1986, long before records were computerized, and I was never charged (and hence never convicted) and that thing still causes me issues. And I'm a white middle-aged female with no other negative cop interactions. I'd hate to be a young black male nowadays with a couple of minor arrests--so tell me again why mouthing off to a dick cop and turning a minor harassment into a misdemeanor arrest is so much more important than shutting up for a minute or two, letting the cop win the cock-sparring contest, and walking away free?


Mouthing off to a cop is one of those things where you simply cannot win. What's the percentage in it? I mean, for the 1% of the time a cop realizes he is being a jerk and backs off. Otherwise, a cop marks you as an asshole lawbreaker and you end up like the dummies on COPS.
 
2012-11-13 01:19:47 AM  
Homeless people have cellphones now? I am so out of touch with homeless people.

If I were to use that outlet, would I get arrested? if not the cop needs to be put in jail. Not fired, put in jail.
 
2012-11-13 01:22:17 AM  

C_Canuk: This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.

Truer words never spoken.

Cop wants to fark your wife, well you just better hold her legs amIright? He's gonna do it anyway, so you might as well not give him reason to shoot you too. Infact offer up your daughter for dessert. You may not have any dignity but at least you'll be free to live exactly how the police tell you to.


I colour green the funny Farkers. I'm tinting you yellow for calling it like it should be.

/been saying this same thing for years
//your newsletter, subscription, etc.
///be polite but stand on your rights
////my grandda threw a village cop off the porch and got an apology - decades ago, of course
//Great Slashies of Doom!!!
 
2012-11-13 01:32:09 AM  
When I was on the streets we knew this crackhead we called Mad Mike. Mad Mike was always acquiring random items and was very generous. One night he had a shopping cart overflowing with bottles of wine, and another night he walked up and asked us if we were hungry. He had "found" a popcorn maker and a bag of popcorn seeds. He walked to the island in the middle of the street, popped open an outlet cover and started making popcorn. The group of us homeless kids and Mad Mike sitting in the middle of the street eating fresh popcorn is an awesome memory. Good thing we weren't in stupid Florida or we'd probably still be in prison.
 
2012-11-13 01:38:31 AM  
This is why they get called pigs.
 
2012-11-13 01:39:32 AM  

HempHead: Oznog: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.

If you own a Tesla, you can charge it free at the city hall.


application.denofgeek.com
Tesla weapons not available outside of District 9.
 
2012-11-13 01:43:10 AM  
What the Fark is a homeless person doing with a cell phone?? Get a home first.
 
2012-11-13 01:47:10 AM  
"Unplug that phone!"

"Why? It's a public park with a publicly accessible A/C outlet."

"Because I am an insufferable, fat, steroid crazed bag of festering pus and I said so and if you don't, I'll empty thins gun into your f*cking skull and f*ck your rotting corpse and get away with it, because you're homeless so nobody loves you."

"Um, okey dokey."
 
2012-11-13 01:59:41 AM  
See, a lot of cops are just bullies with badges.
 
2012-11-13 02:04:10 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: The city also took all the benches out of a popular public park because people in a nearby condo complained that homeless people were using the benches.

Sarasota, both the city and the elderly retirees, farking hate poor people.


It is a problem. The reality is that too many of the homeless are crazy--it's better to avoid contact with them. The voters want them run out of town for this very reason.

We need some better answers.

Off the top of my head, how about shelters that have small private rooms to avoid the security problem?
 
2012-11-13 02:04:41 AM  
OK, I grew up in Sarasota and this kind of shiat doesn't surprise me. Sarasota cops just tend to be dicks like that.

Two cases in point:

In the early Sixties, a friend of mine, then 12 years old, was riding his bike home. He was riding on the sidewalk, as the school and the police used to tell us to do back then. He came to this trailer park that had a fence around it and it ran right up to the curb of the city street on the east border. He had to stop, open a gate on the sidewalk, enter the trailer park, close the gate and ride on and then repeat the same at the other end. Now, the problem was that the trailer park had a posted speed limit of 5 mph. As he is riding along on his one speed Schwinn, a cop car cruises by on the city street and pulls over at the exit gate of the park and tells my friend to stop. He then writes him a ticket for going 8 mph in a 5 mph zone. Twelve years old, too young for a drivers license and he gets a farking speeding ticket while on a me speed bike.

Late Sixties. Sarasota cops decide there are too damn many kids hanging about in the downtown and they start enforcing an old statute that says that if you are downtown and have less than $20 cash on you and no specific reason to be downtown, you will get cited as a vagrant and get a ticket. Fortunately, this came to thew attention of a group of famous writers, MacKinley Cantor and John D. McDonald being the most prominent. They took out a full page ad in the paper advising that they were all in violation daily as they would meet at a downtown coffeeshop to shoot the shiat and such and they had no real reason other than hanging out for that and that they rarely had $20 between them on them at the time, so just arrest us or stop this shiat. It stopped.

Sarasota, where harassment by cops is a looong tradition.
 
2012-11-13 02:10:51 AM  

Buffet: What the Fark is a homeless person doing with a cell phone?? Get a home first.


Newsflash! You do not need a home to have a cell phone.
 
2012-11-13 02:14:32 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe


I think you have a bit more subversive a look than you seem to believe.
 
2012-11-13 02:27:00 AM  

Buffet: What the Fark is a homeless person doing with a cell phone?? Get a home first.


Last time I checked, homes cost WAY more than a phone. Though I haven't seen AT&T's prices for a couple of years...
 
2012-11-13 02:41:41 AM  

Maul555: Mija: sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?

You cannot live on the small amount that disability pays. In many staes you have to wait years for housing assistance. If you have a criminal record of any kind you could be denied. I have worked with the homeless. Don't you forget either that Republicans don't even want the homeless to have help with phones. Without a phone you cannot get help or work.

lying partisan coont...


wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net

Touch a nerve?
 
2012-11-13 02:57:21 AM  

LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: LavenderWolf: HotWingAgenda: LavenderWolf: I had 6 guns drawn on me when I was 14

That sounds like a scene from a Tarantino film.

It felt so surreal. Friend and I waiting for a third friend, around the corner from my decidedly suburban home. Cop car skids to a sideways stop just feet away, followed by two more to box us in from other directions. Two cops in each car pop out, pistols aimed at us. We had done NOTHING.

what did they think you'd done?

Somebody got stabbed at a local bar.


So obviously let's arrest the children standing nonchalantly 4 blocks away.


I was taking the bus in Southern California when I was in my 20's... bus driver pulled over due to "mechanical difficulties"
the mechanical difficulties were the 3 squad cars behind the bus with 2 cops each; doors open an weapons drawn. also, the other 2 officers walking toward all of the bus patrons, then to me calmly asking me to turn around and place my hands on my head... it was creepy... no sirens, just lights. and guns.

seems I looked just like some dude that escaped from Chino State Pen the week before and his turf was the area I live in (still live near there) nearly a foot taller, 20 years younger and about 60lbs heavier, but hey I wasn't detained or arrested. (the best part for me was the 20 minutes leading up to the incident while waiting for the bus to arrive I kept thinking "sure are a lot of cops around here"; I was only a block from the main police station, so I dismissed it)

/csb 
//might have only been six cops... it has been 18 years or so...
 
2012-11-13 02:57:40 AM  

wildsnowllama: Buffet: What the Fark is a homeless person doing with a cell phone?? Get a home first.

Last time I checked, homes cost WAY more than a phone. Though I haven't seen AT&T's prices for a couple of years...


I have a prepaid phone. It's a POS but I only have to put like $20 on it every few months to keep it running. It is possible to have a cell phone and NOT pay hundreds of dollars a month for it.
 
2012-11-13 03:01:08 AM  
Let's see ... Phone plugged in, petty theft of city utilities. Unplug the phone, felony tampering with evidence. Decisions, decisions..
 
2012-11-13 03:22:18 AM  

Oznog: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

fredbox: Let's see ... Phone plugged in, petty theft of city utilities. Unplug the phone, felony tampering with evidence. Decisions, decisions..

Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.


I'm sure the 500 bucks in bail money would have fixed a lot.
/dnr all comments
 
2012-11-13 03:36:49 AM  

notatrollorami: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

I think you have a bit more subversive a look than you seem to believe.


If you think I look "subversive" at all then you might as well start wearing a badge.


/that was not a compliment
//go to the ghetto sometime
 
2012-11-13 03:42:49 AM  

LavenderWolf: notatrollorami: LavenderWolf: skullkrusher: What a LavenderWolf might look like

Got a kick out of that. Here is what I look like right now.


http://imgur.com/jQewe

I think you have a bit more subversive a look than you seem to believe.

If you think I look "subversive" at all then you might as well start wearing a badge.


/that was not a compliment
//go to the ghetto sometime


Then again, I have seen that gang walking around in Cosby sweaters and khakis, lately...
 
2012-11-13 04:09:47 AM  

SpaceBison: Homeless people have iPhones nowadays? fark, I can't even afford an iPhone.

/poor college student.


There's no mention of iPhones in the article, just cell phones. You can buy a prepaid cell phone for as little as $10. Even if some of them did have iPhones it's entirely possible they were acquired before the people became homeless. If you're trying to get a job so you can get off the streets and be able to afford a place to live, you need a reliable method for prospective employers to contact you.

As a matter of fact, the woman who was using the electric outlet to charge her wheelchair stated she was recently homeless after her business failed.
 
2012-11-13 04:14:18 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: SpaceBison: Homeless people have iPhones nowadays? fark, I can't even afford an iPhone.

/poor college student.

There's no mention of iPhones in the article, just cell phones. You can buy a prepaid cell phone for as little as $10. Even if some of them did have iPhones it's entirely possible they were acquired before the people became homeless. If you're trying to get a job so you can get off the streets and be able to afford a place to live, you need a reliable method for prospective employers to contact you.

As a matter of fact, the woman who was using the electric outlet to charge her wheelchair stated she was recently homeless after her business failed.


I don't understand why the outlets are there if they don't want them used.
Cut the homeless some slack for crissakes. The cop was just being a dick and it sounds like he was shaking the guy down for the 500 bail/extortion.
 
2012-11-13 04:17:27 AM  
why the hell can't Rick Scott get this guy a job?
 
2012-11-13 04:20:18 AM  

cig-mkr: whidbey: cig-mkr: Maybe the guy had a free phone, don't laugh some low income folks actually get free service.

I didn't realize it was funny.

You don't know that homeless people can have cellphones?

but where do they charge them if they are homeless?


In my area I've seen them charging them at the public library. St Vincent de Paul also assists homeless adults through the Eugene Service Station.
 
2012-11-13 04:25:38 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I don't understand why the outlets are there if they don't want them used.
Cut the homeless some slack for crissakes. The cop was just being a dick and it sounds like he was shaking the guy down for the 500 bail/extortion.


Agreed.

I'd be willing to bet that the cops aren't hassling those who have a place to live.
 
2012-11-13 04:42:11 AM  

AbbeySomeone: I don't understand why the outlets are there if they don't want them used.
Cut the homeless some slack for crissakes. The cop was just being a dick and it sounds like he was shaking the guy down for the 500 bail/extortion.


The outlets are more than likely for use by people who have a permit to use the area.

/Not supporting cop, just saying.
 
2012-11-13 05:09:22 AM  
Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.
 
2012-11-13 05:10:31 AM  
are you farking kidding me?
 
2012-11-13 05:17:32 AM  

This About That: OK, let's suppose this cop was an asshole (which he would kind-of have to be to roust a homeless guy for 2 cents worth of electricity. Still, self preservation requires an understanding of the situation. You have to understand it from the cop's point of view. The cop is going to win. The less sh*t you talk, the less his winning will cost you. That seems pretty simple. Now consider the case when a cop encounters s pet dog. The dog is not smarter than the cop, so he doesn't know what danger it is in, but it has mastered the art of reading voice tone and body language in humans. It sees a belligerent human and reacts correctly, warning the belligerent human away. Belligerent human shoots the dog, even if it weigh 2 pounds and is no real threat. This is because the copy has to win. Has to. If he doesn't he will be back with 20 cops and heavy weapons. So, unless it is your mission to lose in the game of life to cops, just shut the hell up and unplug your phone. Be smarter than the dog.You can usually (no, really, kids) assume that the cop is doing his in a difficult job, as he sees it. Even if you think he is a jerk, give him the benefit of the doubt. Usually he deserves it, and if he doesn't, you will lose anyhow. Beyond that, argue the point with the nice folks on your local city council.


Yeah, but in this case the cop lost. The case got thrown out and the cop's life is significantly inconvenienced because everyone from the top to the bottom knows he's a massive düch. The cop's bosses hate the guy right now, and this will likely stain his career, because the last thing a boss wants is an underling who creates unnecessary work and bad blood. Then there's the pending ACLU lawsuit. The lesson learned by his peers and any cop that reads this story is that there are limits to how big a dick you can be. Without stories like this, douchebaggery would be far more rampant than it is.

So your advice to keep your head down is not necessarily a good way to avoid being arrested if you're part of a targeted minority and have no means to avoid harassment. It's a great way for people who have mobility (to remove themselves from the situation) and homes to go (so as to exercise your fourth amendment rights). But this guy doesn't. Sometimes getting your day in court is your best option.
 
2012-11-13 05:17:37 AM  

Okoboji: Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.


Says the person who has obviously never been homeless.

McDonalds does not hire on the spot, in fact they have an application process like every other sizeable company.
 
2012-11-13 05:43:36 AM  

Okoboji: Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.


There are more people applying for jobs at McDonald's than there are job openings. And they do not hire on the spot. You have to apply and be interviewed as with any other job. And you have to have a way for them to contact you if they read your application and decide to subsequently interview you. That's why a phone is necessary.



And I said before, you can get a prepaid cell phone for cheap. I've seen some of the older Tracfone models for as little as $8.00. They're just simple, basic phones. No data plans, no monthly fees, etc.
 
2012-11-13 06:30:37 AM  

LavenderWolf: Okoboji: Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.

Says the person who has obviously never been homeless.

McDonalds does not hire on the spot, in fact they have an application process like every other sizeable company.


i have a B.S. in Computer Science and i doubt McDonald's would even hire me
due to a 1 and a half year gap in my resume
 
2012-11-13 06:37:00 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: LavenderWolf: Okoboji: Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.

Says the person who has obviously never been homeless.

McDonalds does not hire on the spot, in fact they have an application process like every other sizeable company.

i have a B.S. in Computer Science and i doubt McDonald's would even hire me
due to a 1 and a half year gap in my resume


Yep, I had that problem before I got my current job.

"What have you been doing for the last two years?"

"Looking for a job, doing whatever odd jobs I can find..."

"Next applicant please!"
 
2012-11-13 06:45:32 AM  

sparkeyjames: The thing that disturbs me most about this article is that there is a disabled homeless person
living in a public park. Does not Social Security disability cover a person who is disabled by a stroke?


Only if you can successfully get disability. Without a lawyer the adversarial system you have to deal with usually overlooks people like this.
 
2012-11-13 06:46:28 AM  

LavenderWolf: Framing the conversation in terms of "vagrants" and "squatting" just shows contempt.


Framing the conversation in terms of "vagrants" and "squatting" shows realism. Those are the appropriate words. Don't take the sting out of the situation, face it appropriately and honestly. Learn from the master. Yes, it's a comedy routine. It also makes a very valid point. Using the term "homeless" for vagrants makes it more palatable to the soft-hearted (and soft-headed) people, but it also makes it more difficult to address the problem realistically.

We, as a society, will never adequately take care of homeless people. We might bestir ourselves to address the problem of squatting vagrants.
 
2012-11-13 06:48:25 AM  
Cop clearly resented the Obamaphone.
 
2012-11-13 07:08:27 AM  

Aulus: OK, I grew up in Sarasota and this kind of shiat doesn't surprise me. Sarasota cops just tend to be dicks like that.


Sarasota, where harassment by cops is a looong tradition.


I grew up there too. I can confirm the tradition of Sarasota cops being dicks continues to this day.

One day my car overheated. I pulled over to the side of there road. Standing there hood open, steam blasting out all around me. Up pulls Johnny Law. I think "Oh good he might be able to help me." But no, he writes me a ticket because my plate had expired one day prior to the event. Then the cop drives off.

What a dick.
 
2012-11-13 07:42:24 AM  

HotWingAgenda: Why on earth would anyone want a problem?


Because some people derive a sense of satisfaction from solving problems?
 
2012-11-13 08:33:44 AM  

HempHead: Oznog: Charlie Freak: Didn't I hear it costs less an $1/year to charge an iPhone? "In this bad economy" my ass. As long as they're not causing a disturbance and yield to anyone who has reserved the shelter, let them charge away.

Electricity costs about $0.10/KWH here. The iPhone battery is 3.7v at 1.44 amp-hrs, or 0.0053 KWH. Let's say the charging process is only 50% efficient- he still only used all of A TENTH OF A PENNY of electricity here, presuming it was a full charge. $0.0010656, to be exact.

I hope this measure against the freeloading homeless has fixed your budget crunch. Asshole.

If you own a Tesla, you can charge it free at the city hall.


Not to mention the $7500 Federal Tax credit you get for buying one. In CA, the state will throw another $2500 at you. So, they'll provide free power for you $100K car, plus give you $10,000.
 
2012-11-13 08:35:22 AM  
Welcome to the next 4 years of Obama. You voted for him, now deal with it.
 
2012-11-13 09:59:28 AM  

Buffet: What the Fark is a homeless person doing with a cell phone?? Get a home first.


Not Sure if Serious.

You do know that cell phones are so dirt cheap now that you can get a little prepaid one for about $20, right? You can pick them up at Wal-Mart, hell, the grocery store down the block has a rack of them for sale. Might not have lots of bells & whistles, or a huge amount of airtime, but you can get them for less than the cost of a good meal, for cash, with no questions asked.

Housing requires lots of money (bare minimum of hundreds of dollars, nearly a thousand, for the cheapest shiatholes, between initial rent, apartment and utility deposits & application fees), most likely a credit check, and having a steady enough income to keep paying the rent and utilities.

The time when a cell phone was a toy of the rich and a luxury item was more than a decade ago. Cheap prepaid phones have been around since before 9/11 (I know, my first cell was a basic little prepaid in 2000, cost a couple hundred up front, which was still cheaper than an apartment, and airtime was about $0.40/minute, and prices have only gone way down since). Nowadays cities are actively pulling out payphones on the assumption that everyone has a cell phone.

It's an order of magnitude easier to be able to afford a minimal cell phone than afford even the most basic of housing.
 
2012-11-13 10:04:34 AM  
Not usually the person to say "What a dick head cop!"...

WHAT A DICK HEAD COP
 
2012-11-13 10:15:48 AM  
Ugh. Stories like these make me ashamed to admit that I am from Sarasota...a nice part of the city, too; right near SMH and Southside Elementary...and that mall...I can't remember what it's called now, but basically right at the intersection of 41 and Webber.

My family was far from affluent; the best Christmas we ever had as kids was the year my mom was able to get on unemployment and get some help from a local charity to buy Christmas presents. We left for Pittsburgh when my parents divorced (dad stayed and died there last Thanksgiving; prescription pills overdose...shocker, right?) and thankfully it is much easier to be poor here in Pittsburgh than it is down there in Florida. It's why I still won't go back, despite missing my friends and the scenery terribly.
 
2012-11-13 10:36:47 AM  

Okoboji: Though I applaud the judge for having a brain and throwing the case out, at the same time one thing really sticks in the back of my head:

You're homeless.... WHY DO YOU HAVE A CELL PHONE?! McDonalds can hire you on the spot and the local tech firm, once they smell the urine and garbage, isn't going to offer you the open CEO position.


1. Homeless people have cell phones because you can get a cheap prepaid phone for $10 or $20, cash, on-the-spot, no questions asked. With cities pulling out payphones because they assume everybody has a cellphone, it becomes more of a need since urban planners assume everyone has it.

2. If it was as easy to get a job as "McDonalds can hire you on the spot" we wouldn't have high unemployment. Last April, McDonalds had a publiciy stunt of hiring 50,000 people on one day, April 19th 2011. They had over a quarter million people apply online in advance, and a total of over 1,000,000 people applied in total. Yeah, they had 20 applicants for every McJob they had to hand out.

You're the McManager, and you've got multiple applicants for every job, are you really going to hire the homeless guy over the high school kid or the college student wanting a side job or the grandmother wanting a job in retirement to supplement her Social Security?
 
2012-11-13 10:48:29 AM  

TomD9938: smitty04: Hollywood discovered that if you are helpful towards the homeless, they start congregating in your parks. Word travels fast.

If you dont want to step over the homeless and/or their feces, stay out of the parks.

Problem solved.


that is either a wonderful troll

or patently stupid

/leaning toward wonderful troll --- 9/10
 
2012-11-13 11:03:14 AM  
FTFA: Sarasota Police Sgt. Anthony Frangioni spotted [Darren Kersey] charging his phone at about 9:20 p.m. Sunday. Unable to come up with the $500 bail for the misdemeanor, Kersey had no choice but to stay in jail...Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the "theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy."..Monday morning Circuit Judge Charles Williams threw the case out, saying Frangioni lacked the legal justification to make the arrest.

When people who aren't cops snatch people off the street and confine them without legal justification, it's called "kidnapping."

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fark tha police.
 
2012-11-13 11:07:41 AM  

Silverstaff: You're the McManager, and you've got multiple applicants for every job, are you really going to hire the homeless guy over the high school kid or the college student wanting a side job or the grandmother wanting a job in retirement to supplement her Social Security?


Hells yeah. The most important factor in someone keeping a job is them needing the job and fast food is a high turnover business. If he can get a shower and shave before work I'll put him on in a heartbeat.
 
2012-11-13 12:33:42 PM  

DingleberryMoose: Hells yeah. The most important factor in someone keeping a job is them needing the job and fast food is a high turnover business. If he can get a shower and shave before work I'll put him on in a heartbeat.


From the customer's point of view, just a shower and shave may not be enough. It also helps if the person handing you your food doesn't look like they may have herpagonasyphilaids. Or be sleeping in the french fry bin after closing ours.
 
2012-11-13 12:45:21 PM  

DingleberryMoose: Silverstaff: You're the McManager, and you've got multiple applicants for every job, are you really going to hire the homeless guy over the high school kid or the college student wanting a side job or the grandmother wanting a job in retirement to supplement her Social Security?

Hells yeah. The most important factor in someone keeping a job is them needing the job and fast food is a high turnover business. If he can get a shower and shave before work I'll put him on in a heartbeat.


This. Needing work is the proper motivation for plenty of people.
 
2012-11-13 01:13:30 PM  

gweilo8888: DingleberryMoose: Hells yeah. The most important factor in someone keeping a job is them needing the job and fast food is a high turnover business. If he can get a shower and shave before work I'll put him on in a heartbeat.

From the customer's point of view, just a shower and shave may not be enough. It also helps if the person handing you your food doesn't look like they may have herpagonasyphilaids. Or be sleeping in the french fry bin after closing ours.


Fast food joint where I work is 24 hours, and I do manage a shift and hire my own crew. Appearance does matter, but a shave and a haircut and uniform clothes can help quite a bit.

/make more managing fast food than I did as a CPS investigator
 
2012-11-13 05:51:49 PM  
In my near-police state/town just being out after dark is considered suspicious

There is no official curfew or law against driving after dark, but it hasn't stopped cops from pulling me over to tell me they thought my left tail light was failingask me why I'm out "so late"
 
2012-11-15 03:58:26 AM  

JasonThomasX: In my near-police state/town just being out after dark is considered suspicious

There is no official curfew or law against driving after dark, but it hasn't stopped cops from pulling me over to tell me they thought my left tail light was failingask me why I'm out "so late"


Just keep a burlap sack in your car at all times and if you are ever pulled over tell them you are going snipe hunting.
 
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